Exactly about the coaches. They all want to move up the ladder and the only way to do that is do a better job than their competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
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Exactly about the coaches. They all want to move up the ladder and the only way to do that is do a better job than their competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
On paper that's a great staff. To think we have two guys that were former head coaches and two guys from the league is big time. Now we can hopefully sit back and watch these dawgs compete for the west soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by preachermatt83
Exactly....must be a bunch of kids posting on here obsessed with eggs and such. These coaches are past that crap if they ever had it to begin with.
Not convinced that having former head coaches as position coaches is a great idea but guess we'll see how it works outQuote:
Originally Posted by bigplayslay
Yes we will see haha. Someone with more knowledge of coaching would have to answer that but like I said on paper- great staff.Quote:
Originally Posted by was21
What is a downfall of hiring a head coach as a position coach? I don’t think Moorhead is bringing on anyone that is going to be self centered.Quote:
Originally Posted by was21
Let's put it this way, IF they want to a HC again they need to step it up. For that matter, just to stay in college coaching.Quote:
Originally Posted by was21
There is a huge difference in hiring a HC that got fired and is long in the tooth vs hiring away a young sitting HC from a smaller school who is still climbing up the ladder.Quote:
Originally Posted by was21
Agreed. Potential problem may arise when one who was fired had smoke around him..where there's smoke there's fire and sometimes you get burned...might be a cancer in the locker room if ambition surfaces.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Yea it blows Muffins first staff out the water. Hell it blows Muffins last staff out the water.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Well Briener is nothing like that and will be a big positive. Hud has been knocked back and humbled and he has no backing to pull something like that. He knows he is fortunate to be in the SECQuote:
Originally Posted by was21
3... shoop, Breiner, and HUDQuote:
Originally Posted by bigplayslay
The more I listen to Moorheads interviews, the more excited I feel about the program going forward. Mullen’s interviews always seemed like basic coaches talk but Moorhead feels a lot more like a CEO. He has a formula for success and you can tell he’s confident in it. He’s going to hire guys with the traits he sees as valuable and plug them into his operating system.
The only hire I question is Woodson- not because he went to Ole Miss but because the secondary at Memphis was atrocious. He probably has some good ties to both Memphis and the Mississippi Gulf Coast though.
Shoop is a safety guy, so I figure he will teach coverage more than any other coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
We're going to have a more cerebral coaching staff than we ever did under Dan. Hopefully that will help put us over the top against the closer games against bigger name opponents like Alabama. I bet we become a lot more analytically driven as a football program as well. Hopefully no more upper classmen favoritism.Quote:
Originally Posted by SmokeyDawg
There is a reason a lot of our assistant coaches have been head coaches or in the NFL as assistants at a young age- it's because they're pretty bright. I've seen some concerns about Tem Lukabu- but he was one of the few holdovers from Chip Kelly's staff to Kyle Shanahan's. That tells me he is probably pretty impressive.
I think Dan was smart too- but it seemed like he lacked common sense sometimes.
We have a major upgrade
That could be the case. But I hate to say this- but if we're just looking for a recruiter we might as well should have kept Buckley. It could be that Buckley was gone either way though with the FSU opening. Or maybe Moorhead just thought he wasn't very good at coaching. It's very possible that a lot of the busts we had could have been more on the corners than the safeties at least some of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Woodson gets a year to prove himself before I declare it a bad hire.
I'm not really OK with it, but JoMo didn't ask my opinion about it so I'll just hope they work out alright. I'm not paranoid about them but I would have just preferred him to have hired 2 assistants in those positions that didn't have the ties to a school that would just as soon see MSU burn to the ground. Personally I don't think Coach Mo totally understands the bitterness of the rivalry or he probably wouldn't have made 2 hires from guys that went through that program. Just too many good position coaches out there to even deal with that factor at all. Its not like these 2 guys are highly proven at their jobs, heck, Memphis' defense was terrible this year. And Johnson is still very green himself as an OL coach. If we were hiring big time, experienced coaches with that background it would be much easier to overlook. As stated, believe we could have gotten equal or better qualified coaches without the OM baggage to deal with. I at least hope they both signed a 3-4 year non-compete clause for OM or its really not smart. As someone else said, OM would hire one of these guys in a heartbeat if they thought they could flip a high profile recruit by doing so and likely either one would accept.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaggardDawg
Both of them are Cutcliffe guys. And we all know how Ole Miss handled that. Cutcliffe compared to the other coaches that they have had was a lot more ethical.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
And as I've said before if you want to coach at Ole Miss you have to play their recruiting game with the Network. Ole Miss may have gotten a slap on the wrist- but Barney Farrar and David Saunders certainly did not. A lot of coaches don't want to be caught up in that because Ole Miss can take a promising coach and turn them into Mississippi JUCO cannon fodder. Hugh Freeze went from hoping to get the Florida or Georgia job to hoping to get the Middle Tennessee or Troy jobs that aren't even open right now.
We may be their best option to come home and have a SEC job without getting a potential show cause.
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Originally Posted by maroonmania
If Coach JoeMo can hire coaches that can recruit and coach and help us get to the next level. I don't care where they played their college football. Some have been bitching about no SEC or Mississippi ties, with our coaching staff. I think some of ya'll are paranoid on this hiring of former OM players and are trying to over think on it.
Ever heard of Bob Tyler? Ask USM fans if hiring Bobby Collins was bad because he was a Bulldog, class of 1958 I believe. Even though both schools got probation under their terms but thats a moot point.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaggardDawg
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Originally Posted by Todd4State
Norvell considered Woodson a really good recruiter when he hired him and a good coach that could teach and relate to his players and accomplish what Norvell wanted on his defense. I don't know the situation on what happened with the Memphis secondary this year. When he was at Fresno, I think he recruited the Texas area.
Memphis was ranked 122 in the country and according to 247, he has never signed a single 4* player. Sorry but not impresswd, no matter where he played college ball.
Johnson and Woodson aren?t Rebs anymore. They are Bulldogs, let?s support them!
Little deceiving looking at yds/game. Memphis blew out most everyone, so they had a ton of passes thrown against them (123rd in the country in passes thrown against them). They were 61st in completion % against and 14th in intsQuote:
Originally Posted by deltadawg99
Not to mention, most of the teams they played threw the ball 50+ times a game. So really any # besides compleation percentage is going to be skewedQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
they had 16 int's we had 9Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
It's unreasonable to expect a non power 5 team to sign a lot of 4 star players.Quote:
Originally Posted by deltadawg99
Likely against more pass attempts. I'm giving him a chance no matter what though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Percho
It all starts up front, can we get to the QB with 4 or 5 rushing and the blitz. I am more interested in our DC and his tactics than our new defensive back coach.
That's a really impressive line-up of Offensive coaches and I am excited about Fountain. To me the O coaches look MUCH more impressive that the D coaches. In particular, I see nothing impressive in the resumes of either Woodson or Lukabu. I would love for someone to disabuse me....
I actually like the LB coach a good bit. Was Schiano LB coach at Rutgers and learned from him a number of years. Considered a sharp coach according to his peers.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1bigdawg
This and the early season injuries they had. USAToday reported they had two more DBs' that were out since September and the first week in October.Quote:
Originally Posted by preachermatt83
https://www.memphisdailynews.com/new...y-this-season/
There are other stats to note about Memphis' pass defense and Woodson beyond total passing yards allowed. For instance, in both of Woodson's years at Memphis, they were top 5 in their conference in both opponent's QB rating and yards per passing attempt allowed.
But hopefully more telling of Woodson a DB coach is Memphis' DBs' knack for ball hawking. In both of Woodson's years there, they were top 2 in their conference in passes defensed (which is the sum of interceptions and pass break ups). In fact, their DBs were nationally outstanding at making plays on the ball. In both 2016 and 2017, Memphis' national ranks in "DB Havoc Rate" -- a secondary's "total tackles for loss, passes defensed, and forced fumbles divided by total plays" -- were 6th and 11th.
And what's really interesting about those ranks is that they coincided with crappy havoc numbers from Memphis' front seven (125th and 85th nationally). In other words, under Woodson, Memphis' secondary was one of the best in the nation at getting PBUs, INTs, TFLs, and forcing fumbles even though their front seven sucked at doing that stuff. I didn't think that's how it was supposed to usually work in the secondary.
Prediction Pain, great write up! I feel much better about the hire now. Where do you find these advanced stats? I'd love to bookmark your source
The proof is in the pudding. Stop the gnashing of teeth. For me they are all great until they prove otherwise. Coach Joe , I'm sure doesn't want shitty Coaches on his staff. He must have plenty of confidence in these Coaches, so then do I. The Country Club is gone, isn't that what everyone wanted.
Thanks, dude. The traditional stats are from CFB Stats and the advanced stats are from Football Outsiders. Here is the link to CFB Stats' page on passes defensed in Memphis' conference every year for the past decade or so. And here is the link to Football Outsiders' page with advanced stats for NCAA defenses. The "Havoc" stats are in the second of the two tables on the page. Since Memphis' opponent-adjusted defense was pretty bad overall, you'll have to scroll down to the bottom.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
Making plays on the ball is something our secondary has struggled to do the past couple years so that sounds good lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Prediction? Pain.
Sure, if Johnson and Woodson are difference making coaches that can help get us to the next level then I'm good with them and will more than overlook their background. Problem is, while they have the opportunity to accomplish that with us, they certainly don't have the proven backgrounds at this stage to give me any concrete evidence that they WILL do that. We are taking a chance on them to perform well in the SEC just like we could have taken a chance on a lot of young assistants across the country. And while they do have the background of having played in Mississippi have either of them actually coached in Mississippi? I would assume Woodson has at least recruited in Mississippi being at Memphis.Quote:
Originally Posted by yjnkdawg