Printable View
That?s a whole class over 4 years. That?s new scholarships allowed. At the end they are down 24 total. That?s the way it worked at USC. They are my second team and they still haven?t quite recovered. UM ain?t SC, 24 total will devastate them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
YupQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
COI accepted their self-imposed, then said "double that and tack on some more."
Let's not give in to what to what the Land that Time Forgot does best: spin
These will hurt. And hurt some more if players transfer.
We will see by this afternoon. However, yes, it wouldn’t surprise me if CHuck and Godfrey floated out low numbers and omitted details to mislead folks.Quote:
Originally Posted by SailingDawg
You throw in transfers and other attrition.....uglyQuote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Guys USCw Got what 30 over 3?
They are just now getting back to the USC of old. Took them basically 7 years.
24 over 4 isn't a slap on the wrist by any means it's a big blow. And they are Umiss football not USC , not even close
Back to business as usual. Fielding a competive football team and cheating there ass off with a new coachQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg-gone-dawgs
This^^^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
24 scholarships for that program is monumental. And when you take into account open transfers, it's crippling.
Hasn?t OM already accounted for the 11 self imposed? If so, it would just be 13 more over 4 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
Yeah, but OM smartly self-imposed 11 scholarship reductions from 2015-2018. So they have basically already taken care of that penalty through roster management. 13 over the next 4 is not that bad considering how much they cheated.
This is what I was thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
So, OM has 18 seniors graduating. Say 7 people transfer (conservative). They are down to 60 scholarship players. They can only sign 18 this year. That keeps them at 78 next season, right? 21 JRs the next year, assume 3 leave early or transfer. So that brings them down to 60 again, 78 total again. 29 soph. So assume the other 4 come feom that class. They sign 18 again. So after 3 years, they are at 71 scholarship players. That's it. Unless around 20 transfer, this isn't really that bad for them. Smh.
exactly, i just posted the same thing in another thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
No. They have not. I believe the have accounted for 2-3Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
So Freeze gets a 1 year show cause and couple game suspension, but it only applies if he's a head coach. He can become a coordinator today and not miss a beat, if what I'm reading is correct.
Why wouldn't Ole Miss just hire him as a OC, let Matt run the show and they're back in business?
Ross Bjork has to be toast, right?
According to what players transfer. They have had back-to-back poor classes. If they lose the cream of the crop, 71 players that are not very good could be terrible for themQuote:
Originally Posted by PMDawg
I?m not believing anything until the ncaa officially releases it at 10:30. These guys are going to continue to lie right to the bitter end. Chillax guys
Somehow they have 42 freshmen on their roster. I guess a lot of practice squad guys. But that will help them get through it.
They did, and that was a smart move. But it also contributed to a general change in their trajectory and a change in their perception around college football. The collateral damage has been huge, with high school prospects not wanting anything to do with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
They've now gone two years with no bowl, with likely multiple more years to go.
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images..._Wg_bigger.jpgHugh KellenbergerVerified account @HKellenbergerCL 5m5 minutes agoMore
Completely, totally stunned with the Hugh Freeze penalty. Given everything else, that's it for him?
That would probably cause the NCAA to open an Oxford location. They can keep Luke who knows how the Network operates and also saw how they were caught. I imagine they will crank it back up pretty soon. It will be interesting if they try some Flipmas bullshit this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh
Elf’sThat’s still a whole class. That’s stiff, very stiff.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Their ceiling will be 6 wins for the next 5 or 6 seasons.
Hopefully the NCAA accepts the 11 scholarships, but not that OM has already imposed them. This possible?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
I believe they accounted for more than that, because they couldn't even get a full class the past 2 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
I get that. What I don't get is how long he was affiliated in some capacity with all this nonsense, even before becoming the head coach, and he gets a minor slap on the wrist? Farrar can not be too pleased on how this has gone down now, since he's basically done and Freeze will be showing up on the sidelines somewhere very soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
Look at Mullen, he easily accounted for 11 lost scholarships over the past 4 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
As long as these are in addition to UM's self penalties then it is kind of bad.
I kinda doubt that, like Schiano, Freeze is radioactive. Any attempt to hire him would result in him being 'Tennessee'd' by the student/faculty body.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh
Assuming your current class numbers and NCAA penalties of 24 scholarship reduction (6 a class for 4 years)....Quote:
Originally Posted by PMDawg
I calculated that they will have;
2018- 78 scholarship players
2019 - 75
2020- 64
2021- 57
I agree, Freeze should be done in the NCAA for orchestrating all this crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh
Some shitty program will be desperate enough to hire the guy who beat Bama twice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doggie_Style
Yep, as of right now all he did was call a hooker. Petrino wrecked a bike with his mistress on the back of it and he's on the sidelines coaching. Someone will hire this douchebag. It may not be as an OC, but it could be as an analyst. Regardless, his coaching career continues while those he instructed get left for dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
Given that the penalties were stiff but not quite nuclear and that Freeze in particular got off relatively light, I think there's at least a chance the NCAA is setting them up for a second shot in a year or two if they continue operating the way they do. Maybe something additional is already in the works.
No they aren't. The NCAA is a joke as they showed with UNC and are about to again todayQuote:
Originally Posted by thf24
Chuck now saying 13 total. If that is true, they got of pretty easy. I know the 2 yr. bowl ban is bad, but they sure as hell didn't go by their matrix. That's for damn sure.
The question now is how exactly does the transfers work. Is it just for the Sr class in 2018 or the Jr and Sr class in 2018? If the second, that means this years So. and Jr's. That's what is confusing.
I'll be satisfied with 24, but disappointed as hell with 13. And if you remember, OM didn't sign a full class last year and will be trying to use those scholly's not used as being part of the total.
The NCAA press release will say that Hugh Freeze and Jeffery Vitter admitted that the #OleMiss booster culture was “craziness” and “disturbingly questionable."
It honestly doesn't matter either way. ESPN is reporting 24 total, but that includes 11 from 2015 to 2018 that were self imposed. So do that math, even if it's worst case ("24"), it's only about 15 over the next 3 years. I don't even think it qualifies as a slap on the wrist at this point. 2018, 2019 and maaaaybe 2020 will be rough for them. Then, they fire Luke, get a real coach, and it's back off to the races.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumpy Chucklelips
The biggest saving grace in all of this is that we may get better access to the 2019 MS class, even though most would've leaned our way anyway. This is a big nothing-burger.
Looking like 13 total now...