Cowboys QB Dak Prescott 'not at all' tempted to protest national anthem

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

Everything I hear is that all cops are not evil but there are some that need to be trained out of their inherent biases that cause them to be trigger happy when dealing with black people. Also, the grand juries and courts that allow cops that have killed unarmed black people is a huge part of the discontent in BLM.

Jack, why wouldn't you watch NFL when the owners are upholding your view?

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Man I wholeheartedly agree that anyone taking a life unjustly needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Absolutely!

I have a brother in law and cousins who are cops and they now have to worry more about coming home alive than ever before because of the media.

It's honestly sad that we all just can't get along.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Man I wholeheartedly agree that anyone taking a life unjustly needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Absolutely!

I have a brother in law and cousins who are cops and they now have to worry more about coming home alive than ever before because of the media.

It's honestly sad that we all just can't get along.

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I pray they have long safe careers and that they never have to take a life in performing their duties.

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

Everything I hear is that all cops are not evil but there are some that need to be trained out of their inherent biases that cause them to be trigger happy when dealing with black people. Also, the grand juries and courts that allow cops that have killed unarmed black people is a huge part of the discontent in BLM.

Jack, why wouldn't you watch NFL when the owners are upholding your view?

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The owners are allowing it to go on. Hit their pocket books and they will get a new commissioner with a set of balls.

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

I pray they have long safe careers and that they never have to take a life in performing their duties.

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Amen and thank you! None of them have ever had to yet and pray they don't. My brother in law is a swat team member and been in some tough spots and seen some people kill themselves but he hasn't had to use deadly force yet.

Its why I enjoy open discussion. I enjoy hearing perspectives from folks and I appreciate yours

Can we all agree Dak is awesome and tsun sucks!

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Can we all agree Dak is awesome and tsun sucks!

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Absolutely!!! Don't they get their last win of the season this week?

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

Absolutely!!! Don't they get their last win of the season this week?

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Lol it sure looks that way!

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Can we all agree Dak is awesome and tsun sucks!

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

Absolutely!!! Don't they get their last win of the season this week?

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I think so. But they looked better than I expected last weekend. Of course, they were only playing USA but we know how that can go.

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Originally Posted by RocketDawg

I think so. But they looked better than I expected last weekend. Of course, they were only playing USA but we know how that can go.

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I have always thought the offense was going to look good this season. Defense is going to be their doing in.

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

I have always thought the offense was going to look good this season. Defense is going to be their doing in.

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Yeah they gave up points and yards to usa and it was only 13-10 at half. Their o will be ok but their d ain't stopping anyone with a pulse

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

Exactly! Many of those are black people who died in every war this country has ever engaged in plus civil rights activists like Medgar Evers in Jackson. His death secured just as much freedom for black people as any soldier in uniform. But honestly I don't think Kap kneeling was a slight on any of them. All I interpreted him as saying is that he did not feel that this country is fair or equal when INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY black people can be killed by police and then the police go scott free.

Back to sports. I don't mind the national anthem being played and I don't even mind the fact that NFL owners choose not to hire a particular person. I just wish people would acknowledge the real issue which is police brutality and stop acting like it is disrespect of a flag or anthem. The truth is that some people don't think that the police are ever wrong in the way that that they handle black people.

"Wrong place wrong time" has historically been code for black people need to know their place. Michael Bennett just had an incident in Las Vegas. How was he at the wrong place at the wrong time? Until you have walked a mile in someone's shoes you shouldn't presume to know what it feels like.

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And the truth is some people don't think that hating the po-leece is indoctrinated in certain cultures.

This is a perfect example of the overreaction by BLM and these people who think these guys are really fighting for a cause. Bennett was at a club where shots were fired and cops showed up and ordered everyone to the ground to search and investigate. Bennett didn't stay put and ran. A cop outside the club stopped him and ordered him to the ground at gunpoint. He was detained until they could determine he wasn't involved and then released.

This isn't about the police, it's about authority and civilized norms.

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

These are the ones I'm referring to btw:

https://www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision

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Those are the ones I was referring to as well. Are there some points in there that make sense...absolutely. But there are also a lot of points that would lead to unabashed anarchy and strip the police of the ability to safely do their job.

These are the points I was talking about, straight off of that sight:

End Policing of Minor "Broken Windows" Offenses

The following activities do not threaten public safety and are often used to police black bodies. Decriminalize these activities or de-prioritize their enforcement:

Consumption of Alcohol on Streets
Marijuana Possession
Disorderly Conduct
Trespassing
Loitering
Disturbing the Peace (including Loud Music)
Spitting
Jaywalking
Bicycling on the Sidewalk

From the section on police force:

ban using force on a person for talking back or as punishment for running away

use minimum amount of force to apprehend a subject, with specific guidelines for the types of force and tools authorized for a given level of resistance

Prohibit police officers from:

shooting at moving vehicles (Ex: Denver PD Policy)
moving in front of moving vehicles (Ex: Denver PD Policy)
high-speed chases of people who have not and are not about to commit a violent felony



These are a few examples of things I disagree with. This is not all encompassing. What I'd like to know is how does my disagreeing with these ideas make me into someone that "supports oppressing black people"?

So apparently Marshawn Lynch has never stood for the national anthem in his life and nobody ever cared until 2017?

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

By kneeling Kap brought attention to an issue that the rest of society likes to forget. By not signing him NFL owners are actually keeping the issue alive.

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Correct me if I'm wrong (but pretty sure I'm not), but didn't Kap opt OUT of his contract with the 49'ers? Why should an NFL owner be expected to sign him when he chose to leave the team he was under contract with? He'd be employed and on an NFL roster had he not CHOSEN to hit the FA market.

Choices have consequences.

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Originally Posted by shoeless joe

Those are the ones I was referring to as well. Are there some points in there that make sense...absolutely. But there are also a lot of points that would lead to unabashed anarchy and strip the police of the ability to safely do their job.

These are the points I was talking about, straight off of that sight:

End Policing of Minor "Broken Windows" Offenses

The following activities do not threaten public safety and are often used to police black bodies. Decriminalize these activities or de-prioritize their enforcement:

Consumption of Alcohol on Streets
Marijuana Possession
Disorderly Conduct
Trespassing
Loitering
Disturbing the Peace (including Loud Music)
Spitting
Jaywalking
Bicycling on the Sidewalk

From the section on police force:

ban using force on a person for talking back or as punishment for running away

use minimum amount of force to apprehend a subject, with specific guidelines for the types of force and tools authorized for a given level of resistance

Prohibit police officers from:

shooting at moving vehicles (Ex: Denver PD Policy)
moving in front of moving vehicles (Ex: Denver PD Policy)
high-speed chases of people who have not and are not about to commit a violent felony



These are a few examples of things I disagree with. This is not all encompassing. What I'd like to know is how does my disagreeing with these ideas make me into someone that "supports oppressing black people"?

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There's definitely room to debate how best to implement these reforms, like any reforms, though I think saying de-emphasizing minor charges (that are usually bullcrap) is going to lead to anarchy is a leap. There's a big difference between charging trespassing when you catch someone prowling a house as opposed to when someone cuts across an empty parking lot, or charging disorderly conduct for refusing to stop filming.

Honest disagreement on how to implement reforms is fine. The problem is the people that refuse to admit reforms are needed at all. That common, and in control, view is why kneeling is felt as necessary by some.

It's not a black American problem. They are just the canaries in the coal mine. Its a police culture view. See the nurse recently detained for no legal reason. The forces defended it. Same with Freddie Gray. He was arrested for an incorrect charge, the knife he was carrying was legal, yet the police union insisted the arrest was legal.

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Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX

And the truth is some people don't think that hating the po-leece is indoctrinated in certain cultures.

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Since you know the "truth" and why would "certain cultures" waste their time and energy indoctrinating themselves into hating the "po-leece"?

Granted that it doesn't help that American history includes police officers attacking peaceful black protesters with dogs and clubs and fire hoses.

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

There's definitely room to debate how best to implement these reforms, like any reforms, though I think saying de-emphasizing minor charges (that are usually bullcrap) is going to lead to anarchy is a leap. There's a big difference between charging trespassing when you catch someone prowling a house as opposed to when someone cuts across an empty parking lot, or charging disorderly conduct for refusing to stop filming.

Honest disagreement on how to implement reforms is fine. The problem is the people that refuse to admit reforms are needed at all. That common, and in control, view is why kneeling is felt as necessary by some.

It's not a black American problem. They are just the canaries in the coal mine. Its a police culture view. See the nurse recently detained for no legal reason. The forces defended it. Same with Freddie Gray. He was arrested for an incorrect charge, the knife he was carrying was legal, yet the police union insisted the arrest was legal.

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Fair enough...I don't think the leap I made was quite as drastic as the one you originally stated. None the less, I have no problem saying some things need to be examined and some changes could be beneficial. However, when a group for change advocates things that seemingly would completely strip police of their authority it takes away their credibility on the things that actually do make sense.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

So apparently Marshawn Lynch has never stood for the national anthem in his life and nobody ever cared until 2017?

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Was he the one who got away with murder?

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Originally Posted by shoeless joe

Fair enough...I don't think the leap I made was quite as drastic as the one you originally stated. None the less, I have no problem saying some things need to be examined and some changes could be beneficial. However, when a group for change advocates things that seemingly would completely strip police of their authority it takes away their credibility on the things that actually do make sense.

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I think the point they are trying to make is that cops shouldn't have the authority to use generic, arbitrary charges to punish citizens for legal activity, like talking back or filming. If cops cant use that authority properly, then it must be taken away, or else we have voluntarily given up our freedom. I do think we should ensure those charges are used correctly, including by punishing cops that abuse them, including jail time. But I can understand why some assume that will never happen, and would prefer to just go ahead and remove their ability to abuse those powers.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

So apparently Marshawn Lynch has never stood for the national anthem in his life and nobody ever cared until 2017?

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He has definitely stood in the past.

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

Was he the one who got away with murder?

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That was Ray Lewis.

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

Nope. I didn't say any of that.

This is the problem with the entire public dialogue. People don't know how to listen and just make up what they think other people mean. It's amazing because for some people sitting during the national anthem means disrespecting the military when no one has ever said that at all.

By the way, Kap initially was on one knee which for many people is just another symbolic gesture that people appreciate (ask Tebow). Kap has never disrespected the military or anyone who died in the military. That's just the red meat that people feed you so that you won't consider the real issue.

The real issue is police not being held responsible for unarmed deaths which is why Dez went out of his way to clarify that his not kneeling does not mean he doesn't support social issues.

By kneeling Kap brought attention to an issue that the rest of society likes to forget. By not signing him NFL owners are actually keeping the issue alive.

I know you "blue blooded Americans" whose country has been taken away will not agree with me but that's fine. Continue on making America great again but this time do it for EVERYONE. God bless.

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You"blue blooded" Americans? You're all about generalizing. Look, your statement implied that the major reason Dak didn't kneel for the national anthem is that he's afraid for the security of his contract. What this implies is that you believe he actually wants to kneel in the first place and doesn't out of fear. Why would you just assume he wants to kneel? Because he's black? That's generalization at its finest.

1. To each their own. It's why this country is better than everywhere else. Free speech is a good thing whether you agree with it or not.
2. Kap is a damn fool. He turned down millions thinking he could do better and he couldn't. Happens to people everyday that's looking for more when they've already got a lot (it's called greed). Plus, he's got a crazy chic in his ear and on his jock that's already ruined one NFL player. Damn black widow....(not in the racist sense)

Mods- All I wanted here was a nice happy Dak Prescott thread. Please delete this. I would if I could.

For the record, Kaepernick was going to be cut if he didn't opt out. He knew it, and the 49ers have admitted as much.

That said, I don't care that he isn't on a team, and I don't think it's the NFL's duty to make sure he is. He made a choice, which he is free to do, and I have no issue with his choice. But you have to deal with the consequences. He took a stand he seemed willing to pay the price for, and it did cost him.

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Originally Posted by smootness

For the record, Kaepernick was going to be cut if he didn't opt out. He knew it, and the 49ers have admitted as much.

That said, I don't care that he isn't on a team, and I don't think it's the NFL's duty to make sure he is. He made a choice, which he is free to do, and I have no issue with his choice. But you have to deal with the consequences. He took a stand he seemed willing to pay the price for, and it did cost him.

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He could've restructured for less money. He chose not to. It was offered to him.

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Originally Posted by smootness

For the record, Kaepernick was going to be cut if he didn't opt out. He knew it, and the 49ers have admitted as much.

That said, I don't care that he isn't on a team, and I don't think it's the NFL's duty to make sure he is. He made a choice, which he is free to do, and I have no issue with his choice. But you have to deal with the consequences. He took a stand he seemed willing to pay the price for, and it did cost him.

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You're right, I was wrong on the contract deal. I got it confused with the Denver negotiations and what they were trying to do. My bad.

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

The real issue is the reforms offered by BLM.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAUDDpwE_ZU

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Originally Posted by Mutt the Hoople

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAUDDpwE_ZU

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thank you for proving my point. distract, distract, distract. never address the issues.

Lock. It. Up. For. ****. Sakes.

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Originally Posted by Mutt the Hoople

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAUDDpwE_ZU

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That is why I don't leave the house unarmed.

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

thank you for proving my point. distract, distract, distract. never address the issues.

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Distracting by pointing out the real actual problem in this country and not something completely made up by the crazies? You are full of it and you know it, you just want chaos with no consequences just like blm.

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Originally Posted by TimberBeast

Distracting by pointing out the real actual problem in this country and not something completely made up by the crazies? You are full of it and you know it, you just want chaos with no consequences just like blm.

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I really hope that did not make sense in your head, for your sake.

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

I really hope that did not make sense in your head, for your sake.

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thank you for proving my point. distract, distract, distract. never address the issues.

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

thank you for proving my point. distract, distract, distract. never address the issues.

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I've got news for you, the only people that are responsible for the distractions are the BLM leaders and a large number of people that support the movement.....it's not everybody else's fault for seeing all the crazy, violent, lawless shit that has been done in the name of BLM, noticing the fact that the BLM leaders and the majority of its supporters weren't adamantly condemning and discouraging it, and coming to the conclusion that BLM was a bunch of radical, racist lunatics that should be ignored. I am sure that there are some real issues that need to be addressed, but BLM is not the group to lead that charge because they have lost all credibility.

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Originally Posted by sandwolf

I've got news for you, the only people that are responsible for the distractions are the BLM leaders and a large number of people that support the movement.....it's not everybody else's fault for seeing all the crazy, violent, lawless shit that has been done in the name of BLM, noticing the fact that the BLM leaders and the majority of its supporters weren't adamantly condemning and discouraging it, and coming to the conclusion that BLM was a bunch of radical, racist lunatics that should be ignored. I am sure that there are some real issues that need to be addressed, but BLM is not the group to lead that charge because they have lost all credibility.

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Ive got news for you, the violence at BLM events has been minor and massively overstated, they did adamantly condemn and discourage it. The radical racist lunatics are those that run propaganda to discredit any group that comes along to challenge the racist status quo. They did the same thing in the 60s. Dont fall for it so easily.

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Originally Posted by TimberBeast

thank you for proving my point. distract, distract, distract. never address the issues.

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What issues did you think you raised, local crazy person?