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Originally Posted by Dawg61

omfg how many more times y'all gonna say this? We recruit like Auburn yet we coach like Mississippi University for Women. You like that better? The Kentucky part I want us to copy is the head coach getting on his players and FORCING them to become better. They all sign up for that and they all love it. Calipari has made many millions for many players many times over by doing and being that type of coach. Not by being a coach that has zero technicals in two years. Howland isn't coaching like the guy we all thought we were getting right now. He is being too reserved and too nice. We don't need or want the most likable head coach ever.

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It bothers you that folks disagree with an absurd comment you made? Go figure...

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

My mother-in-law could coach that team.

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She's probably not afraid to get in their faces when they are being lazy stupid freshman either so Howland could learn something from her.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Ugh, UK has 3 of the projected Top 14 draft picks in the upcoming NBA draft. My mother-in-law could coach that team.

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Yep. Calipari is one of the biggest underachieving coaches in college basketball history. He has a legitimate NBA roster every year. Should easily have 5+ titles at this point. Just a terrible example all the way around.

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Originally Posted by tireddawg

It bothers you that folks disagree with an absurd comment you made? Go figure...

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Ugh, UK has 3 of the projected Top 14 draft picks in the upcoming NBA draft. My mother-in-law could coach that team.

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Originally Posted by DudyDawg

Has nothing to do with Cal yelling. A lot of them would be making millions at 18 if they didn't have to go to school for a year. We have 0 players of that quality.

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Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh

So I ask a question, to which you respond with an insult. Seems about right...

You started a thread about the fact that the basketball coach isn't ripping the guys a new one, thus he isn't a good fit to run the program. He MUST act like Calipari to be successful and anything less will cause us to lose basketball games. The entire premise of your argument is illogical.

Also, that is probably why I miss your comments in game threads. I choose not to read game threads as some go WAY past the reservation during games and become way too emotional. I suffer from the same problem, so I choose instead to try and avoid them while the game is being played.

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Originally Posted by smootness

I'll say it as long as people like you think it's true. Because it isn't.

Calipari is a decent coach, nothing more. I don't care how much his players say they love playing for him, there are multiple ways to approach coaching.

But I'm not that shocked that your analysis of our basketball team doesn't go much further than 'Our coach needs to yell more'. Howland has never been a drill sergeant, and I'm not sure why people think that's who he is. This is who he's always been as a coach. Heck, some of the criticism from his time at UCLA was that he wasn't tough enough on certain players.

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Originally Posted by smootness

We are absolutely not following the Kentucky model of recruiting. Why do people think this?

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We are YOUNG like KENTUCKY. Calipari gets on his YOUNG players and FORCES them to be the best they can be. Howland isn't doing that at all.

The problem is we have one senior who is average to below average at the most improtant position, we have six to seven freshmen who play like freshmen, and we depend on a player who is a true sophomore himself who is still learning quite a bit as he goes. We start three players out of position out of necessity this year. We have players that don't listen to Howland's coaching because they are freshmen and have to experience things before they get it. Kentucky lost to Louisville because they didn't listen to Coach Cal. It happens. It's called youth.

If you guys don't see the talent on this team, I don't know what to tell you. If you don't think that adding Ado, Brooks, Feazel, and replacing IJ Ready with Nick Weatherspoon with the jumps all of these freshmen will take makes us a tournament team next year, you don't know basketball. The reason mid-majors do well and Villanova won the national championship is because they have veteran junior senior laden teams. We just have to be patient with this team because we are extemely young. Shit, we are the youngest team in the country. When we played our game were patient on offense and got back in transition, we outscored Alabama 17-3 to start both halves. We didn't play with the intensity you need for forty minutes to win the game. That comes with experience which we have very little.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

We are YOUNG like KENTUCKY. Calipari gets on his YOUNG players and FORCES them to be the best they can be. Howland isn't doing that at all.

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How many practices have you watched? Been in a lot of film sessions? Huddles? You seem to know a lot about how Howland talks to players.

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Originally Posted by DudyDawg

How many practices have you watched?

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How many times has Howland gotten on the refs to the point of getting a technical since he showed up? You don't light up the refs for that call. You do it for the next call. Same thing applies to YOUNG players. You don't get in their face for the last play you do it for the next one coming up. Howland is doing neither. He doesn't get on the refs and he doesn't get on his players. Can't win that way.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

How many times has Howland gotten on the refs to the point of getting a technical since he showed up? You don't light up the refs for that call. You do it for the next call. Same thing applies to YOUNG players. You don't get in their face for the last play you do it for the next one coming up. Howland is doing neither. He doesn't get on the refs and he doesn't get on his players. Can't win that way.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

We are YOUNG like KENTUCKY. Calipari gets on his YOUNG players and FORCES them to be the best they can be. Howland isn't doing that at all.

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Dude, you're the one who said we're following the Kentucky recruiting model. Either back that up, or admit it's not what you meant.

Last bit of advice for ya Dawg61
When your thread has reached page 3 and no one agrees with you yet, it's time to just cut ur loses and pull the rip cord

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Originally Posted by smootness

Dude, you're the one who said we're following the Kentucky recruiting model. Either back that up, or admit it's not what you meant.

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What team would you like to describe it as when you bring in 8 freshman? That's what I meant not that we brought in 8 McDonald's All-Americans like Kentucky but that we brought in 8 freshman like Kentucky. I called it the Kentucky recruiting model because that's the closest thing to describe what we have done even though Kentucky still brings in 8 NBA players and we don't. Should I call it the Donnie Tyndall Tennessee plan instead? You're nitpicking a detail that isn't the point of the thread to get the wording perfect for something that can't be described perfectly.

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

Last bit of advice for ya Dawg61
When your thread has reached page 3 and no one agrees with you yet, it's time to just cut ur loses and pull the rip cord

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7 agreed with me immediately. He sees it too. Thanks for your advice though.

I never saw yoda or Obi One get piss.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Ugh, UK has 3 of the projected Top 14 draft picks in the upcoming NBA draft. My mother-in-law could coach that team.

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Calipari took umass to the championship game. We've had 2 big time 5*s in Malik and sidney, yet we couldn't get anything out of them. I think you really slight calipari as a coach

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Calipari took umass to the championship game. We've had 2 big time 5*s in Malik and sidney, yet we couldn't get anything out of them. I think you really slight calipari as a coach

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I think you take posts too literally and take stats out of context so we're even.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Calipari took umass to the championship game. We've had 2 big time 5*s in Malik and sidney, yet we couldn't get anything out of them. I think you really slight calipari as a coach

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I think Cal is a good coach but he took UMASS to the Final 4 with the best player in the country on his team. He didn't have a bunch of scrubs.

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

I never saw yoda or Obi One get piss.

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And I'd argue they weren't the ones that finally turned him into a Jedi

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Calipari took umass to the championship game. We've had 2 big time 5*s in Malik and sidney, yet we couldn't get anything out of them. I think you really slight calipari as a coach

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Every school he left was being investigated by the NCAA.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

I think Cal is a good coach but he took UMASS to the Final 4 with the best player in the country on his team. He didn't have a bunch of scrubs.

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He's taken three different schools to the final four. Has anyone else ever done that?

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

7 agreed with me immediately. He sees it too. Thanks for your advice though.

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Who agreed? And who's he?

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Calipari took umass to the championship game. We've had 2 big time 5*s in Malik and sidney, yet we couldn't get anything out of them. I think you really slight calipari as a coach

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That's because neither of those 5* kids really had 5 star ability. Partially due to attitude and partially due to talent. They don't always live up to the hype. John Wooden himself couldn't get Sidney to the NBA, and while Malik has some tools he is going to peak out as maybe a decent college two guard. He isn't going to sniff the league.

And that is two guys in what, 20 years? We've gotten half as many 5 star players in two decades as UK gets in a single recruiting class. Think about that.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

He's taken three different schools to the final four. Has anyone else ever done that?

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Pitino

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

What team would you like to describe it as when you bring in 8 freshman?

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Every team in the country who found themselves in the personnel situation we did last year? SMU brought in a bigger recruiting class than us a few years ago. We went and recruited the best players we could recruit to fill the open spots we had...just like every program in America does.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

Pitino

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Ok a top 5 all-time college coach. Seems like Calipari is in elite company.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Ok a top 5 all-time college coach. Seems like Calipari is in elite company.

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I said Cal was a good coach. Was this directed at me or someone else?

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

What team would you like to describe it as when you bring in 8 freshman? That's what I meant not that we brought in 8 McDonald's All-Americans like Kentucky but that we brought in 8 freshman like Kentucky. I called it the Kentucky recruiting model because that's the closest thing to describe what we have done even though Kentucky still brings in 8 NBA players and we don't. Should I call it the Donnie Tyndall Tennessee plan instead? You're nitpicking a detail that isn't the point of the thread to get the wording perfect for something that can't be described perfectly.

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So, should Howland have only brought in only 4 freshman like most schools do? Oh, wait, then we wouldn't have a full roster. You hate that too if I remember correctly. Should have left spots for some Sanderson Center All-Stars!!! We have 8 freshman because we cut dead weight and are rebuilding a program.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Calipari took umass to the championship game. We've had 2 big time 5*s in Malik and sidney, yet we couldn't get anything out of them. I think you really slight calipari as a coach

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That team also had Marcus Camby and vacated all their wins.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

He's taken three different schools to the final four. Has anyone else ever done that?

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The guy recruits like mad no matter where he goes. No one has ever disputed that.

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Originally Posted by smootness

Every team in the country who found themselves in the personnel situation we did last year? SMU brought in a bigger recruiting class than us a few years ago. We went and recruited the best players we could recruit to fill the open spots we had...just like every program in America does.

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Sure just for you smoot we'll call it the "every team in the country who found themselves in the personnel situation we did last year plan" instead of the "Kentucky plan". Seems wordy but you like it better so I am willing to appease you.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Sure just for you smoot we'll call it the "every team in the country who found themselves in the personnel situation we did last year plan" instead of the "Kentucky plan". Seems wordy but you like it better so I am willing to appease you.

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Thanks, bro

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

So, should Howland have only brought in only 4 freshman like most schools do? Oh, wait, then we wouldn't have a full roster. You hate that too if I remember correctly. Should have left spots for some Sanderson Center All-Stars!!! We have 8 freshman because we cut dead weight and are rebuilding a program.

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No he needs to get on their asses and the refs asses too. That's my point. I like our 8 freshman I just wish Howland brought his sac with him from UCLA instead of leaving it there when he got fired.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Sure just for you smoot we'll call it the "every team in the country who found themselves in the personnel situation we did last year plan" instead of the "Kentucky plan". Seems wordy but you like it better so I am willing to appease you.

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This is where the wording comes into play. It's the Kentucky plan because every year they're replacing 4-6 players to the NBA draft so it's necessary for them to have tons of freshmen each year. MSU just had a weird scenario where we had 6 Sr on our roster last year. That won't be the norm of having a class that huge nor having 11 of 12 players on the roster underclassmen. Last year was the anomaly not the norm whereas Kentucky does this every year because they run through 1 & done guys yearly. That's where the confusion of the Kentucky plan is coming from.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

I think Cal is a good coach but he took UMASS to the Final 4 with the best player in the country on his team. He didn't have a bunch of scrubs.

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Lsu had the best player in the country last year

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

I said Cal was a good coach. Was this directed at me or someone else?

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Lots of good coaches out there. I don't think the only other guy besides Rick Pitino to take 3 different schools to a final four should get lumped in with all the other good coaches. Calipari is a great coach. End. Of. Story. Howland could learn something from him by how he handles all his freshman every year. Again my point of the thread.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Lsu had the best player in the country last year

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Not really. Hield and Valentine at least were better players than Simmons last year.

Also, Johnny Jones suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks.

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Originally Posted by smootness

Also, Johnny Jones suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks.

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So, you're saying it takes a good coach too? Haha

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Lots of good coaches out there. I don't think the only other guy besides Rick Pitino to take 3 different schools to a final four should get lumped in with all the other good coaches. Calipari is a great coach. End. Of. Story. Howland could learn something from him by how he handles all his freshman every year. Again my point of the thread.

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Howland is the only other guy besides Coach K to make 3 straight Final Fours since it expanded to 64. Guess Calipari could learn something from Howland.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

So, you're saying it takes a good coach too? Haha

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I'm not trying to argue that Calipari is a bad coach. I'm trying to argue that as a pure coach, or teacher of the game, he isn't elite. He is an elite recruiter/amasser of talent, and that is not me trying to knock him. Sure, a bunch of his programs have had NCAA issues, but regardless, if you want to have talent come through your program and win games, he is a phenomenal choice. But Dawg61 is specifically lauding him for his handling of players and ability to get the most out of his guys, and I don't think he's the best around at that.

And Johnny Jones is a special kind of suck. It shouldn't be difficult to make the Tournament with Ben Simmons.

Think about this: make a list of all the guys who have played for him who have had lengthy, excellent NBA careers. Now think about the fact that 5 coaches have won multiple titles since he's been a college coach, and he's not one of them. Guys like Tubby Smith, Jay Wright, Kevin Ollie, Jim Harrick, and Gary Williams have the same number of titles.

Unbelievable recruiter, good coach.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

This is where the wording comes into play. It's the Kentucky plan because every year they're replacing 4-6 players to the NBA draft so it's necessary for them to have tons of freshmen each year. MSU just had a weird scenario where we had 6 Sr on our roster last year. That won't be the norm of having a class that huge nor having 11 of 12 players on the roster underclassmen. Last year was the anomaly not the norm whereas Kentucky does this every year because they run through 1 & done guys yearly. That's where the confusion of the Kentucky plan is coming from.

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Good point but I don't think our turnover is completely done till the start of next year just yet

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Lots of good coaches out there. I don't think the only other guy besides Rick Pitino to take 3 different schools to a final four should get lumped in with all the other good coaches. Calipari is a great coach. End. Of. Story. Howland could learn something from him by how he handles all his freshman every year. Again my point of the thread.

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He's a great coach when you take into account his recruiting ability which is second to none (albeit bolstered by his Nike /AAU connections). However, as a gameday / floor coach he is average. And because of that, there's no way you can put him up with the all time elites like Wooden, Coach K, Dean Smith, Pitino, etc.