HOW DARE YOU TRY TO USE LOGIC ON THIS SUBJECT!!!!****Quote:
Originally Posted by Thick
You know most of these people are gonna go off the deep end before any announcement is made. I'm wondering how many doublewides are gonna burn if this is true.
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HOW DARE YOU TRY TO USE LOGIC ON THIS SUBJECT!!!!****Quote:
Originally Posted by Thick
You know most of these people are gonna go off the deep end before any announcement is made. I'm wondering how many doublewides are gonna burn if this is true.
All this proves is that things the status quo in the AD will remain the same. We are inbred so badly we can't get out of our own way, there was a chance to do it right but interior politics seems to have raised its ugly head once again.
Exactly. We have people that lack vision and are only concerned about themselves over winning and what is best for MSU. And then they wonder why we never won or they make excuses about our history without doing anything to fix it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
Honestly it's not so much about Cohen as AD with many (although I'm leery it will work). The problem that many of us have, has to do with the behind the scenes power plays, misinformation, lies from certain sections, false reporting to generate support and an agenda driven push that many do not feel is about what's best for the university and is being made by some who have no business trying to force a descision. It's for their benefit as much as they "think" they are helping they are also helping themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstatelp1
The whole thing top to bottom has been atrociously mismanaged. We should've extended Stricklin long before this and gotten more money for him, but instead we all thought "he'd never leave us, we're family" and that clearly wasn't the case. Even then, he still probably would've taken the UF job. Now we have a chance to hire just about any G5 AD in the country that we so choose or any P5 Associate AD that we'd like and we are going to settle for a guy who knows absolutely nothing about athletic administration at this kind of budgetary level. On top of that, we are replacing arguably a top 5 college baseball coach in the country with an assistant. Reeks of incompetence. That's not to mention the PR mangling Keenum and Salter did with crapping on Bonners story and crying because he broke news they apparently didn't want out yet just to show some sort of a search that clearly never happened. I was really pissed Scott left, but after seeing the amateur hour that our higher ups have exhibited the last 6 weeks, it's hard to blame him for going somewhere that knows what the hell they're doing.
This too. You nailed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
And someone else that gets it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pipedream
I just dont understand why you make such a public and damning statement about leaked news and then come out and hire the guy that the story was about. It just doesnt make any sense to me at all.
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Originally Posted by Dawgbite
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Originally Posted by civildawg
We already have an assistant with SEC HC experience, and we are going to ask him to work under a guy with no HC experience? Great idea!
I don't want to give it to Henderson. I'm just pointing out how ridiculous this sounds.
This was put off 3 weeks because of the CL.
We are about to become basketball school.
Your only seeing the end results of what was going on, it was well played by those that ultimately got what they wanted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pipedream
Not worried abut the AD part... but State does not have to, nor should it, settle for an unproven baseball coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
There is a slight chance this is going to look like a genius move, and a big chance this is going to look like a colossal 17up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
If the new baseball coach underachieves, that will mean we took a top 5 baseball coach and turned him into an AD that couldn't even handle selecting a head coach in the sport he's an expert in. Even if the new baseball coach does well, if Cohen screws up handling Dan (or ultimately replacing Dan if Dan leaves), it will still look bad as we took a huge risk with our baseball program to get an AD that 17ed up the first thing he touched outside of football. I really hope there is a genius being a puppet master behind the scenes and that this isn't as dumb as it looks.
Here we are about to construct a baseball stadium that is equivalent to Triple A baseball and the best in CBB and we're going to hire someone green as a grasshoppers ass. Unreal.
If it breaks tomorrow, at least we have obviously learned the OM PR way of putting out information that you don't really want to draw much attention. I can see it now....10:00 am; pr release from MSU that a press conference has been called for 1:00 pm that afternoon. That will give the press about 3 1/2 hours at most to circulate the information before the weekend kicks in and more important events start taking place and by Monday it would have been forgotten outside the state borders. I'm excited we've advanced this far.
The obsession with "state guys" and loyalty just shows incompetence from our leadership. Hire the best guy for the job, pay him well, give him the resources he needs to be successful, and then hold him accountable. This isn't rocket science.
Instead we hire someone that can be controlled by people to whom the athletics program is a hobby and let him take a gamble on his first hire. Way to go, guys.
we arent settling. Many people feel this guy is the next top coach in the country. This also hurts LSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spiderman
The behind the scenes power play stuff reeks of middle school cheer squad antics. This whole thing is just BS the way it's been handled.
I'm fine with the Cohen hire, if that's what it is. Most of our fans have shit for brains to be quite honest. Byrne changed the entire trajectory of the athletic program and he was an assistant AD when hired. He only hired Mullen--our most successful football coach and Cohen who took us to the CWS championship. We really screwed that up because we didn't get an established AD. Then Stricklin took over and even though he wasn't a favorite of mine and had never been an AD, we hire Vic and Ben, completed the football stadium, built the softball/tennis complex and have solid plans for the new Duty Noble. I have no problem with Cohen even though he is not my first choice. He is a winner and will not accept losing so acting like he is going to stop being John Cohen is stupid. He is going to get in people's faces and demand excellence.
Finally, I don't know who the next head BB coach will be if Cohen gets the job. But the LSU Assistant is being called the next Dan McDowell and a superstar in the making. He is being groomed to be the next HC at LSU, a better program than ours, but he cant be our HC. Most of the times, I really hate our fans.
Or the guy could turn out to be like a Dan McDonnell or Cliff Godwin type hire and Cohen looks like a genius for seeing it before even his crap alma mater (Tulane) did. We are a loaded talented team so he doesn't have to worry about a rebuild or starting this from scratch. Sorry but I just am not going to look at this like most of you do with as negative and pessimistic eye as possible.
I'm also wondering how the hell hiring Cohen is getting in our own way as the AD. If you ask me, hiring Stricklin was hiring our own and getting in our own way. And when we offered something comparable with Florida, he still bolted. Sorry but I much rather have an AD in Cohen who wants to win and will do what's best for MSU to win. Give me that 10 times out of 10.
That's what they said about Lane Kiffen too. This guys alma mater picked Vandy's hitting coach over him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Random Poster
We are a developmental program. At all levelsQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
Yes but at least Byrne and Stricklin had athletic administration experience. Cohen? Not so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobcat91
Did they? Or did he stay at LSU because he is being groomed for their job?Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Fine, but when was the last time Tulane was really relevant in baseball? This guy is really well thought of. Our chances of getting Corbin or O Connor are low so let's get the next great thing over a retread. And we still don't know if he would be the hire anyway. Quit freaking out like a 10 year old girl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
And that may very well bite them in the ass in time. You act like that decision happened a few years ago. It happened a few months ago. The fact is we don't know. Tulane may have made a colossal **** up. We don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
If he is being groomed for LSU why would he come here when he could have accomplished the same thing at Tulane which is 45 minutes from his home? And that is another concern because if he is any good he's probably going to end up at LSU. So really we're probably helping them more than hurting in the long run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Random Poster
They were relevant last year when they were a two seed and knocked Ole Miss out last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobcat91
Still not buying it. I'll believe it when I see it. Id buy Cohen maybe but We are too good of a program to hire a guy with zero experience. I'd hire butch before I hired some LSU assistant who has coached baseball for 2 years.
Just curious, but why are you ok with Cohen?Quote:
Originally Posted by preachermatt83
Lets assume this guy is indeed the next Augie Garrido. It's still a very risky choice, given how we are on the cusp of building a $55 million stadium and still need half of the funds to pay for it. How many people are going to be excited and ready to fork over large sums of cash for what will be a virtual unknown outside of inner coaching circles?
I'm just picturing the reaction when the coach who only recently took us to the CWS finals hands over the keys to a guy who's done nothing to earn an SEC HC position.
because you dont turn down an SEC job. You can turn down Tulane easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
hearing he is telling the team tonightQuote:
Originally Posted by preachermatt83
Cohen is making the baseball hire. Obviously he is choosing this guy over everybody else. So maybe he knows alot more than we do on this. And he obviously doesnt want Butch
He has some damn good ESP to know our job would be open since Tulane made their hire in July.Quote:
Originally Posted by Random Poster
Or a better agent than Dan Mullen.
Some of you just want to win the press conference. You guys (the majority) know me or my background with MSU, and I have been told by certain athletic administrators that John might be THE smartest administrator on campus that includes our past AD. He's not just an MSU grad. He wore the maroon and white, and that carries a lot of weight with me. He would not be in this position if it were not for MSU. He will do a great job if he becomes our next AD. Some of you need to step back and take a breath, we will be in good hands.
a number of big name coaches that would have some interest in our job. I think Cohen wants a damn puppet and a big name HC wouldn't fit the bill.
Catching up on this fiasco. So we are hiring Cohen for AD? A man with no AD experience. His first interview question obviously had to have been "as your first move as AD, who do you hire to replace you?". If his answer truly was to bring in a guy with 2 years coaching experience then he should have been eliminated on the spot. It could prove genius in hindsight but that's not the type of move you want an unproven AD to make. Too risky. This is ubeliebable even by MSU standards. Grow some balls or quit being a dumbass, Keenum.
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Originally Posted by Thick
Well that's all I need to hear, if it's Maroon and White it's all rainbows and unicorns!