Thanks, exactly we beat them at Pauly with a team that got Stans Shitcanned. So are you saying Howland was a shitty recruiter? We lost to Rider but went to LA and beat a UCLA team.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully
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Thanks, exactly we beat them at Pauly with a team that got Stans Shitcanned. So are you saying Howland was a shitty recruiter? We lost to Rider but went to LA and beat a UCLA team.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully
Shit I would love to have a Bost or a J-money right now. refresh Me but weren't both of them 1st team All-Sec??Quote:
Originally Posted by RiverCityDawg
when Ben equals what Stans did at MSU, I will agree. As of right now Stans is the better coach at MSU. Makes you wonder why UCLA would fire such a wonderful Coach and nobody else would hire Him till We did.Quote:
Originally Posted by 32 Dive
so did La Monroe and left in yellow school buses. But also UAB whipped that Saban assQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I loved watching Dee play, but he wouldn't last very long under Howland if he tried to pull the same shit in the locker room he did while he was here.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
LOL, I am speechless at the idiocy of what you just typed. I have no doubts you have great opinions in other areas but to say Stansbury is a better coach then Howland is just plain dumb.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
Why even get in a Howland vs Stansbury argument, that could go on to the end of the internet and not be solved. This whole thread was about Malik and whether his going to wky was a good thing or not. I know it would be good for Stansbury to get his talent, and hopefully for Malik as well. Maybe Horatio will stay his ass in Jackson or wherever and let those that coach coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully
That team didn't get Stans shit canned. Renardo Sidney got Stansbury shit canned.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
My point was I'd rather have Howland then Stansbury and we ended up getting a better coach in the end. I was happy how everything worked out. That was my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by shannondawg
correct and Stans told me that. Wish both Ben and Rick success and no use debating any further.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully
I know that and at this point I agree his resume up to this point is certainly better, and am very happy with Howland and hope that it proves out very well to our satisfaction.
I should have just put in that statement Howland vs Stansbury as related to MSU cause at this point there is nothing to compare.
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Originally Posted by MarketingBully
I love Howland and hope He does for us what he did at UCLA. But is is alot easier to recruit at UCLA than MSU. We all think Ben will lead us to Glory---but He hasn't done it yet. I just hate we had to endure Rick Ray to get Ben.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully
don't twist my words. I said Stans has a better record at MSU than Howland. Comparing what you do at UCLA and What you can do at MSU is not a fair comparison. I just pointed out that Stans beat Howland at Howland's home court. Who has the better winning percentage at MSU? I certainly hope Ben takes us to 4 final fours. But I still can't figure why would UCLA fire Him--that is Idiocy.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully
They probably had a elitebruins message board.
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Originally Posted by tcdog70
I'm gonna take this back to Malik. As the season progressed last year I saw no passion in his eyes, no aggression in his play. He was a player that seemed to either doubt himself or be pouting on the court. The team seemed to play much better without him on the court for the most part. I think the situation he expected, dad was trying to make happen and maybe the injuries all got to him and really showed in his play. To be that heralded and do almost nothing on the court was very surprising to me. I like Howland and have always liked The Big Train, but I lost a little respect for H when he started blaming Howland for Malik's lack of play. Maybe he'll get his passion back and turn out to be all he wants to be, but for our team I'm glad they're gone.
Maybe that doesn't sound to well for Malik. I don't mean it to come across that bad, just trying to illustrate what I saw. He did have some good times on the court, but as the season went I found myself wanting him on the bench more. And I say that with all due respect to him.
If he's gonna be the next Derrick Rose or Robert Westbrook, aside from fundamentals, he's gonna have to put a lot more effort into his craft.
Because UCLA in basketball in like AL in football. Their fans and administration feel like if you aren't competing for a NC every year then you are a garbage coach. I know UCLA hasn't sniffed at a championship since Howland left though. That should say something right there. And look at the level of talent Howland is bringing in. Stans may have been "the recruiter" but all of his classes pale in comparison to what Howland and staff are bringing in this year with their first full class.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
I'd bet money he's a better player than Robert Westbrook right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoseBrown
I'm sure it was frustrating for H not to see Malik not perform as expected in his first year in college so he was looking for some excuse as to why BUT to blame Howland when Ben tried out every option with Malik was just wrong. Malik DID play some point guard, Malik DID get to drive to the basket and yes he DID play 2 guard and take perimeter shots. Fact is, the only time Malik really helped our team was when he was sitting outside shooting perimeter 3 pointers. But of course that is what Horatio complained about.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoseBrown
The Cult of Stans is alive and well.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
Stansbury didn't beat Howland last season. Billy Kennedy did. I don't care about this argument and have nothing against Stansbury, but this particular contrived talking point is getting annoying.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
First off, there is Zero comparison to Stands and Howland.. None.. Coaching, recruiting , player development , having control over the program, respect from his peers ect..
And I would bet anything Stands threw our university , CBH and his staff, and everyone associated with our basketball program under the bus the last few months when he got in Team Newmans ear..
And it would shock me if MN didn't end up WKy
Good luck to Team Newman. Hope you all don't ruin Malik's career before it gets started...
Not knocking Dee's play. Bury handed him the PG position from the start. Bost was a good QB in high school and most schools wouldn't offer him as a PG. Bury said it was all his so he signed with us. He's obviously doing the same thing with Newman. Therefore you have "Bury found his next Bost".Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
tc you went off the reservation with this stupid shit. In less than a month Howland signed a player rated higher than any player Bury signed in 14 seasons. In less than a year Howland signed a higher rated recruiting class than Stansbury did in 14 seasons. Was Howland supposed to miss the Sweet 16 fourteen times in his first season too to be considered equal for you?Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
Until Howland posts a winning record and post-season appearances at MSU, he hasn't accomplished shit. Leave the recruiting accolade blowjobs to the ascot-wearing bitches up North - let's be adults and look at actual on the court results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Stansbury wasn't perfect, but he DID win games. I'm not willing to anoint Howland the next basketball Jesus until he actually wins some damn games.
Please note: I *want* Howland to win some damn games, and I really really hope he wins some damn games. But he hasn't done it yet, and tcdog is absolutely correct.
Stans won games because he could recruit. Howland will do the same. Basketball success is more correlated to recruiting success than any other college sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by QuadrupleOption
Has the board gone full retard? Remember, you don't go full retard.Quote:
Originally Posted by QuadrupleOption
Recruiting is dirty business, but Stansbury probably didn't have to throw anybody under the bus, don't forget he has had probably 8 years of contact with Malik and more than that with Horatio and besides that no one knows for sure he is signing up there. Probably is but not for certain.
When Stansbury left the state of Ms for College Park, the last stop he made was at Horatio's house.
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Originally Posted by mic
wtf was Bury's record his first season retard?Quote:
Originally Posted by QuadrupleOption
The game was at the Honda Center in Anaheim, not Pauley Pavillion. Not that big a difference but technically a neutral site.
thank you-that is what I'm saying. Howland signed a 1 and done and he is done. I really think Howland will be better than Stans but he hasn't yet. Right now everyone will be shits and giggles when Ben makes the NIT. But all Stans got for a NIT is a cussin. Maybe Stans would have won big time at UCLA, I'll bet he would have recruited well. Winning at UCLA and winning at MSU ain't same.Quote:
Originally Posted by QuadrupleOption
Sums it upQuote:
Originally Posted by 32 Dive
61-don't go to calling people shitty little names. I don't like it when they blast you, so don't be a jerk. It is just someone's opinion, we all want Ben to take us to Glory.The only true way to compare the 2 coaches is by what they do at MSU. Let's see what Ben can do. All RS did is win more games than anyone in our History. Saban has been Hell on wheels at LSU and Bama but he suxed at Miami. Compare apples to apples.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
The stains love is very strong in this one. Anybody thinks Howland isn't light years better than stains in every aspect of college basketball, including clapping, is ****ing stupid.
just a question? not trying to start a fight. If you were to take any Coach and set Him down as the HC of UCLA or the HC of MSU--which place would he win more games?Quote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
you can't help but be an asshole--should have known better.Quote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
Irrelevant nowadays. You can win in a ton of places with the right coach and backingQuote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
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Originally Posted by tcdog70
Better than being a blind moron when it comes to stains.
irrelevant why is that-because you say so? There is no where better to win at basketball than UCLA. It is a top 5 job in college basketball. I guess you think Dan Mullen couldn't win more games at Ohio State than he does at MSU. Only a moron couldn't see it is very relevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
Stans first year--20-13 8-8 in the SEC went to the NITQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Howland-14-17 and 7-11
Just because you asked.
He went 20-13 his first season with all players he recruited and had already coached. The next year Stans went 14-16 when a senior lead team from the year before had all graduated. There really isn't any comparison in Stan's first couple of years here vs Howland's. I think Howland will have a similar season this year to Stans' first year where he wins 20+ games and has a borderline NIT/NCAA team. I think we definitely have the better coach in Howland and in the long run he will have more success then both Stansbury and Williams. I think these Stans peeps are really barking up the wrong tree. I got it with Rick "Welcome to the Shit Show" Ray but to continue spewing bullshit now that Howland is here is just stupid as shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61