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Originally Posted by TheRef
If he gets assurances that someone will draft him in the first round, he will go. Otherwise, he will come back. It's pretty cut and dry. Otherwise, why would he not hire an agent if he is so gung ho to go. If he is a first round pick, he should go.
And that is the way it should be. If he can get drafted in the first round he should go. If its second round he should come back. Heck, second rounders aren't even guaranteed roster spots.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully
He would be a dumbass to not declare and at least get evaluated by the scouts. There is no downside to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Okrastar1
I'm okay with that. I'll own up to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MSUDawg99
That would be so State to lose a player declaring for the NBA draft that couldnt even start for us at the end of the season. He's not going to be drafted in the 1st round. He is going to get an eye-opener going thru this process.
I'll take the oppositeQuote:
Originally Posted by TheRef
It's been well known for a while he was going to work out with no risk to his eligibility. Why this is worthy of shocking news or why a press conference is needed baffles me.
Ha we kicked off a player who then got kicked off UAB then shot by a gun during a bad drug deal who then got drafted in the 1st round by the PistonsQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Hope he comes back, but we will be just fine either way.
Exactly, and even if he comes back we will need him to be much more consistent next year in order to make any significant difference to how good our team will be.Quote:
Originally Posted by jumbo
Agreed. I don't consider it shocking news. Not sure anyone does. I just don't get the presser part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bully13
Time to really start watching the mock nba drafts.
Here is what should go down today..
We tell Bonner his media credentials aren't allowed access.. Just wait outside and we will give you cliff notes on what takes place inside.. but thanks so much for coming over to cover this..
I want him back... As a 2Quote:
Originally Posted by jumbo
Not trying to be negative, but I was disappointed with the lack of production, toughness and energy from Malik. He is NOT NBA ready at all. He wasn't even SEC ready. Q transformed into an ALL-SEC player, as Malik pretty much stayed the same. I cannot think of one thing that he improved upon this season.
When putting together our 2016-17 roster, it is difficult trying to find a place for him. He is not a PG and is a SG. We also have Q, Tyson Carter, Eli Wright and Xavian all playing that same position. Tyson may redshirt due to his (lack of) weight, but if he can shoot as good as everyone says, I hope he does not. Eli W. is probably the most underrated player we signed, as he is very solid. Xavian is a 6'6" transfer scoring guard that will get minutes. And Q...well, no need to say anything else.
And if we did commit to using him as a PG, Lamar Peters is already ahead of him in terms of ball-handling skills in addition to next season's Senior PG Ready.
Good luck, Malik. We are pulling for you but you need some work.
Stapleton is more of a 3/4 than a 2/3.
I understand that he did not live up to people's expectations of him and not trying to make excuses for him but he did spend a good bit of the season banged up with injuries &/or cramps. He did have about a 5 (or so) game stretch in there was he was "on" & then he got hurt again. But one average year is not going to turn scouts away from him. They saw what he could do in HS & AAU & his upside. We'll just have to see what he does at the workouts. Maybe he does better in that type of setting. Who knows. I'm sure he'll get himself ready to show out. Very curious to see how things turn out. Thankfully it's not based off what you did for one year. I'm sure there have been other players drafted in 1st round that didn't necessarily have great one & done years.Quote:
Originally Posted by KentuckyDawg13
That would be the best thing for him. I look forward to having him back in the maroon and white, healed, energetic and vocal.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I can't think of one right now, but I am sure there are some out there...Quote:
Originally Posted by MSUDawg99
I'll pay it for you. Who ever has the power make it happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRef
Zach Levine went lottery after avg 9ppg 2rpg & 2apg.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishwater99
He just said he is probably coming back if projected second round.
Westbrook only averaged 13 points and 4 assit his 2nd year at UCLA and was drafted 4th overall.
All drafted in first round in 2015:
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...y-oubre-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...-booker-2.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...winslow-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...-turner-1.html
Newman averages more, if not close, to the same number of points.
Yea I don't see him coming back either. Even after the year he had I see him going as a lottery pick just because of his potential.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
He won't be a lottery pick but he has the opportunity to slide in the back end of the 1st rd.Quote:
Originally Posted by djaymsu5
Well, those situations were also totally different. Putting up 9-10 ppg for loaded Kansas, loaded Kentucky, or loaded Duke is completely different than doing it for Mississippi State.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big4Dawg
I been on Finebaum off and on and there is no mention of his decision. I guess its just not that big of a deal with his performance this year.
Because it's NOT a big deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by shannondawg
It's pretty obvious one of two things will happen with Malik, 1) he gets a first round grade and is gone, or 2) he doesn't and he comes back. It's not rocket science here. It's his dream but he isn't going to go just to go. If that were the case, he would have hired an agent. Horatio and Malik aren't stupid. He is now fully healthy and will be determined to make a first round grade. If he does, I wish him well and will root for whichever NBA team drafts him. If he doesn't, he will know what he needs to work on to make the first round. I will say this. If he does come back, this team will make a run at the NCAA tournament and contend for the SEC next year. If he comes back, Malik will be determined and will be one of our leaders and take a bit of the pressure off our young guys. Either way, we will be okay IMO.
ESPN just listed all the notable early draft entrees this year and zero mention of Newman. He needs to come back. He isn't ready and he'll regret his decision 3 hours after the draft starts for the rest of his life.Quote:
Originally Posted by shannondawg
I'm for giving the kid a little credit. Maybe its a bit naive, but I really think he'll make the right decision based on the info given to him at the combine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Idk I've got a bad feeling about it. All signs are pointing to him getting 17ed on draft night. Jamont Gordon went totally undrafted after three straight years of All-SEC play. I feel much worse about Newman's chances than I did about Gordon's. Let me be perfectly clear here too. I'm not saying this to be selfish so he'll play for MSU next year because I think we'll be just fine without him and maybe even better after seeing who gets his scholarship. A grad transfer PF for example would really help this team. Losing a quality guard doesn't hurt as much as gaining a quality grad transfer PF helps. Newman has a LOT he needs to work on. He might need two more years not just one. I just would feel really shitty about all of this if we can't prevent a disaster from happening. Newman not going in the 1st round is a disaster. That disaster is very real and very possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
Totally get your concerns, and I certainly have similar ones in the back of my mind. I think the main thing that's different here, though, is the new rule about declaring and getting input, but still being able to return to college. The fact that this took so long to happen is mind boggling. It just makes sense. Also, as much as I loved Gordon, with all his potential, he never struck me as one with a good head on his shoulders. He was a turnover machine, and often played extremely selfish. I'd be willing to bet had Jamont played for a coach like Howland, he'd have been a lottery pick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
I'd like to hope that most of Newman's woes this year had to do with his lack of consistency due to the nagging injuries. Also, I think Malik has better people around him, and something that really can't be understated, is that he is playing for a coach who he trusts and who's opinion he values (definitely wasn't the case for Gordon).
I guess its the NFL and NBA that won't allow it because they don't want their teams left empty handed somehow but I guess I've never understood why, like MLB, you don't just let the pro league draft who they want when they want and then either the player signs and goes pro or doesn't like his position and either goes to college or returns to college. Even with this scouting combine you are only going to get a range of where you will be drafted. If they tell Malik he is likely the very end of the 1st round to the middle of the second round what is he suppose to do with that? I mean you won't know your exact draft spot until the draft happens. If baseball can give kids the choice after the fact then why can't other leagues as long as an agent isn't hired?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
I think the biggest reason is that in the NBA & NFL you're going to be depending on these draft picks to play & contribute to your team the upcoming season. In baseball more times than not you know drafting this kid he's 2,3, & sometimes 4 years away from contributing to the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
Yes, but for example, a second round draft pick in the NBA is not even guaranteed a roster spot but has no choice in returning to school. That fact alone tells you that NBA teams are not "depending" on guys not drafted in the first round. So, in that example, even if they gave a kid the option to come back if he was not a first rounder that would be a better. A similar cutoff in rounds could be done in the NFL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
And, as far as Malik goes, IMO he is probably going to stay in the draft if there is even a sliver of hope that he is going first round even though in reality he may be well into the second before getting selected on draft day.