You guys calling for Mullen to leave or quit have completely lost perspective

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11-29-2015, 11:08 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by randyholloway

Nailed it. Freeze is a better coach, OM is more talented top to bottom and they're more committed to winning. Yes, part of that is ugly but part of that is fact. Dan can no longer "walk the walk". Told CJ Johnson that if he went to Ole Miss we'd kick their ass 4 years in a role and instead we're now 1 - 3. And let's be honest, we had the biggest fluke ever to win that 2013 game as much as I love Dak and loved the end of that season. In the last 4 years, Dan has 2 good wins (A&M and Auburn) last year. The rest has been a shit show...

I would add LSU to your list.
11-29-2015, 11:10 AM
SDDawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I would add LSU to your list.

Obviously, I blew that one. But those 3 wins are really the only GOOD wins over the past 4 years. I don't think I'm exaggerating, especially if you take a fluke Egg Bowl win at home in 2013 out of the equation. 2012 was awful, 2013 was lucky, last year we had 3 good wins. Maybe you throw Arky on the list from this year, but that's 4 GOOD wins in 4 years. Not enough, especially with recruiting on the decline.
11-29-2015, 11:11 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by cheewgumm

I have to disagree Cadaver.

We have 5 wins built in. 4 patsies and Kentucky. 7 this year year with Aub and Mizzu . We beat teams that aren't that good then call it a breakthrough.

It's smoke and mirrors. Mullen has never beaten anyone that I can recall that was actually good. Maybe Aub last year.... Maybe.

I'll give Mullen Arkansas this year. That may be his best win ever and they are 6-6. And that took a blocked FG to win it( rare).

I think Mullen has done good here but people acting like he saved our program are just remembering Croon. Remember Jackie instead then ask if he saved us.

We can do better. Croom was just soooo bad it made Mullen look like a God.

It's also typical MSU fan mentality "well OMG we might do worse y'all". And yeah we might but I honestly don't think that is likely given where we are as a program and what we can pay.
11-29-2015, 11:13 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by randyholloway

Obviously, I blew that one. But those 3 wins are really the only GOOD wins over the past 4 years. I don't think I'm exaggerating, especially if you take a fluke Egg Bowl win at home in 2013 out of the equation. 2012 was awful, 2013 was lucky, last year we had 3 good wins. Maybe you throw Arky on the list from this year, but that's 4 GOOD wins in 4 years. Not enough, especially with recruiting on the decline.

I agree with you on that other than the original omission of LSU. I think Dan got WAY too much praise for going 7-6 in 2013.
11-29-2015, 11:28 AM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Mullen's record has been propped up by Dak. There's no reason we shouldn't have won 10 games this year. Dan's whole attitude this year has been extremely concerning- that's what this is more about to me than anything. I think we should head things off at the pass before we're rebuilding again.

Oh bull muther fricking crap! Without DAN, Dak isn't even a QB right now. It was DAN that HIRED a QB coach to come in and handle DAK's mechanics!
11-29-2015, 11:31 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Coach

Oh bull muther fricking crap! Without DAN, Dak isn't even a QB right now. It was DAN that HIRED a QB coach to come in and handle DAK's mechanics!

And name another QB that could make plays behind that o-line?
11-29-2015, 11:34 AM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by GreenheadDawg

No it looks like you have lost perspective. The moment I realized Dan doesn't give a flying **** about this university is when he was laughing after the onside kick. You just got destroyed on your home field and you are ****ing laughing? Did you listen to his post game presser. I guaran ****ing tee he slept like a damn baby last night. My family and I have spent too much time, energy, and money to deserve that shit last night. Our university, fans, and players deserve more than a guy that thinks it's a ****ing joke to get your ass kicked by your rival at home. Do you think freeze would have been laughing if the tables were turned? Did you see Harbaugh laughing in Ann Arbor yesterday? **** no. We are at a crossroads and it's time for us to go left and Mullen go right. If you find what happened last night acceptable then maybe you need to pack your bags and leave with Mullen.

That is a problem! I agree... I saw that and was put off about it.
11-29-2015, 11:40 AM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

And name another QB that could make plays behind that o-line?

There is no real need in it... but Fitz could. We were thin at OL. That's an issue. You fix that issue.
11-29-2015, 11:48 AM
GreenheadDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach

That is a problem! I agree... I saw that and was put off about it.

I was seriously on the fence about wanting Mullen gone, even after the shitshow. But after seeing him smiling I've never wanted to physically injure somebody that bad. I hope he packed his shit last night
11-29-2015, 04:31 PM
maroonmania

No matter what fans bitch about on a message board Dan isn't even remotely close to losing his job at MSU. Not after an 8-4 season. This is ALL about whether Dan is trying to leave. I doubted that at first, but after seeing the on field performance and the press conference performance he certainly may have one foot out the door. Perhaps Mullen has decided he has done as much at MSU as he can and can't face up to the challenge of the SEC West anymore. I mean if he wants to try and build a Maryland program (who is an afterthought in the Big 10) then good riddance as most of their fans care more about basketball than football. Remembering back to 2013 Dan was not in good graces with a lot of MSU fans then when we were at 4-6 but the season was salvaged with 2 OT wins and we moved on. I'm convinced now, after the pathetic press conference Mullen gave after that disgraceful performance in the Egg Bowl that the MSU teams over these past 2 seasons have flourished much more due to Dak's leadership than Dan's. I hope Mullen stays and does the things to correct the deficiencies in the program but if he doesn't then so be it. Two things haunted this team all year and were magnified yesterday, one being a crappy OL and the other being a defense that is consistently clueless on how to stop ANY opponent's offense in the first quarter.
11-29-2015, 05:16 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by BossDawg

I've said this about 100 times between last night and now, might as well say it again: If UMiss can consistently beat Bama and LSU, then there is no reason we shouldn't be able to consistently beat Bama and LSU. If UMiss can recruit big time, then there is no reason we shouldn't be recruiting big time. Finally, there is no legit reason on earth they should be able to embarrass us, ESPECIALLY at home.

We can do much, much better.

Geez. If we ever needed evidence that all we care about is being better than Ole Miss...
11-29-2015, 05:19 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Coach

There is no real need in it... but Fitz could. We were thin at OL. That's an issue. You fix that issue.

Love Fitz- but no. No one is questioning that we are thin at OL or that it needs to be fixed. Just that we would have been worse without a special player at QB.
11-29-2015, 05:22 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by smootness

Geez. If we ever needed evidence that all we care about is being better than Ole Miss...

That's just the nature of rivalries. Deal with it or become a LSU fan. Rivalry games are different animals. It's what makes college football unique- and treating them like it's another game usually results in a loss. It is what it is. Look at yesterday- South Carolina had no business on paper being that close to beating Clemson.
11-29-2015, 05:35 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

That's just the nature of rivalries. Deal with it or become a LSU fan. Rivalry games are different animals. It's what makes college football unique- and treating them like it's another game usually results in a loss. It is what it is. Look at yesterday- South Carolina had no business on paper being that close to beating Clemson.

This is all fine...but we can't ever again claim that it might be the biggest single game but doesn't make or break a season. My point is that when Ole Miss is bad, we care a lot less about being good, which is dumb. But once they get good, then suddenly we can't stand not being better.

We should want to be good regardless of what Ole Miss is doing. But we're always looking back over our shoulder.
11-29-2015, 05:53 PM
Thick

**** it....it's basketball season!!
11-29-2015, 06:48 PM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by cheewgumm

We have 5 wins built in. 4 patsies and Kentucky. 7 this year year with Aub and Mizzu . We beat teams that aren't that good then call it a breakthrough.

It's a testament to Mullen that games like Kentucky, Auburn, and Missouri this year were automatic wins. No MSU coach since Integration could have been counted on to automatically go 3-0 against the SEC teams of that caliber.
11-29-2015, 07:04 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by smootness

This is all fine...but we can't ever again claim that it might be the biggest single game but doesn't make or break a season. My point is that when Ole Miss is bad, we care a lot less about being good, which is dumb. But once they get good, then suddenly we can't stand not being better.

We should want to be good regardless of what Ole Miss is doing. But we're always looking back over our shoulder.

Ole Miss is the exact same way towards us.
11-29-2015, 08:17 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by BossDawg

I've said this about 100 times between last night and now, might as well say it again: If UMiss can consistently beat Bama and LSU, then there is no reason we shouldn't be able to consistently beat Bama and LSU. If UMiss can recruit big time, then there is no reason we shouldn't be recruiting big time. Finally, there is no legit reason on earth they should be able to embarrass us, ESPECIALLY at home.

We can do much, much better.

Should we also consistently lose to ark and memphis?
11-29-2015, 08:22 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Ole Miss is the exact same way towards us.

And?

We spend so much time claiming it isn't true, then show that it absolutely is.

We won't ever take the next step if all we truly care about is being better than Ole Miss.
11-29-2015, 09:15 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by smootness

And?

We spend so much time claiming it isn't true, then show that it absolutely is.

We won't ever take the next step if all we truly care about is being better than Ole Miss.

And....Alabama is same way towards Auburn. Auburn is the same way towards Alabama. Florida is the same way towards Florida State....do I need to go on?

We can win championships AND focus on beating Ole Miss. It's not mutually exclusive. At the end of the day whether people admit it or not- beating your rival IS important. Damn important. If you don't focus on your rival to a large degree odds are you will lose to them.

And I don't know why you feel the need to police that anyway.

We ALL want to beat Ole Miss, and we ALL want to win championships.
11-29-2015, 09:20 PM
bluelightstar

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

And....Alabama is same way towards Auburn. Auburn is the same way towards Alabama. Florida is the same way towards Florida State....do I need to go on?

We can win championships AND focus on beating Ole Miss. It's not mutually exclusive. At the end of the day whether people admit it or not- beating your rival IS important. Damn important. If you don't focus on your rival to a large degree odds are you will lose to them.

And I don't know why you feel the need to police that anyway.

We ALL want to beat Ole Miss, and we ALL want to win championships.

Not to mention Ole Miss is pretty damn good right now -- so trying to be better than them makes sense. It's not like they're 3-9 so we just want to be 4-8.

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