You guys calling for Mullen to leave or quit have completely lost perspective

[MetEdDawg]

This isn't even about where we came from anymore. This is about freaking common sense. We are pissed about 8-4 people. Do you not see that??? How can we as MSU be arrogant enough to be pissed about 8-4 and want that coach gone? This isn't a we are lil ole MSU post. 8-4 is a pretty solid season and I would hope by now we had a huge transition on the OL after losing 3 seniors that we just couldn't overcome. I understand we are 1-3 against Freeze. I'm pissed about that too. I understand we haven't beaten as many top tier teams as we wanted. But for you guys to solely blame Mullen is shortsighted and ridiculous. We need staff changes 100% and we currently don't have the funding in order to bring better staff in. That's athletic department's fault right now and they need to fix that. Mullen needs to understand we HAVE to upgrade our staff, but we have to be willing to have the funds available to go get people we want. If he isn't willing to make those changes, THEN I'm ok with him going. I get relationships and friends and things like that, but if there is an opportunity to upgrade our staff significantly, then that needs to happen. But for you all to sit here and say he needs to go and say Hud or Skip Holtz or Herman (who has one full year of HC under his belt) are for sure better coaches is stupid. That's a pretty average list if we are being completely honest. If we are going to can Mullen or tell him the door is there and go, you better have some tangible evidence that there are options that would take our job today that are for sure better than Mullen and those three for sure don't meet those requirements.

I don't think we can guarantee that because no matter what some of you say, Mullen is a Top 25 head coach. So let's get some objectivity back people. Step back from the ledge and let's see how Mullen handles the next 12 months if he in fact is staying. A lot of us seem fairly confident we could upgrade from Mullen. Not sure some of you realize yet that you are pissed about an 8-4 season after a 10-3 season yet and just got done having Mullen completely build from the ground up one of the greatest QBs in the history of the SEC. Do we have areas for improvement? No doubt. Better recruiting and better staff for sure. But for those of you that think the pasture is always greener on the other side, you better be damn sure you are right if you go all in on Mullen leaving.

[BossDawg]

I've said this about 100 times between last night and now, might as well say it again: If UMiss can consistently beat Bama and LSU, then there is no reason we shouldn't be able to consistently beat Bama and LSU. If UMiss can recruit big time, then there is no reason we shouldn't be recruiting big time. Finally, there is no legit reason on earth they should be able to embarrass us, ESPECIALLY at home.

We can do much, much better.

[MafiaDawg]

Every single assistant should get a serious evaluation. Hughes should be safe due to his recruiting (he lands all our top guys) and Gonzales is very solid but all other coaches should be nervous. We need better recruiters.

[Todd4State]

Mullen's record has been propped up by Dak. There's no reason we shouldn't have won 10 games this year. Dan's whole attitude this year has been extremely concerning- that's what this is more about to me than anything. I think we should head things off at the pass before we're rebuilding again.

[GreenheadDawg]

No it looks like you have lost perspective. The moment I realized Dan doesn't give a flying **** about this university is when he was laughing after the onside kick. You just got destroyed on your home field and you are ****ing laughing? Did you listen to his post game presser. I guaran ****ing tee he slept like a damn baby last night. My family and I have spent too much time, energy, and money to deserve that shit last night. Our university, fans, and players deserve more than a guy that thinks it's a ****ing joke to get your ass kicked by your rival at home. Do you think freeze would have been laughing if the tables were turned? Did you see Harbaugh laughing in Ann Arbor yesterday? **** no. We are at a crossroads and it's time for us to go left and Mullen go right. If you find what happened last night acceptable then maybe you need to pack your bags and leave with Mullen.

[Maroonthirteen]

Exactly MetEd. If you could reverse the Ark and OM (still being 8-4 obviously), State fans would be very happy today.

It isnt all Mullen. Sure his recruiitng could be better along the lines. However the problem is they are doing things outside the lines in recruiting that we can't. (See Redmond situation for example). They are taking any and all transfers regardless of character. We don't pursue those guys. Their decision to go "all in" on recruiting a few years back is the difference right now. I don't see the recruiting situation changing unless we bring in someone willing to play the game and we are prepared to.pay the price for playing the game in a few years. We won't get away with it long.

[MetEdDawg]

I've said this about 100 times between last night and now, might as well say it again: If UMiss can consistently beat Bama and LSU, then there is no reason we shouldn't. If UMiss can recruit big time, then there is no reason we shouldn't be. Finally, there is no legit reason on earth that they should be able to embarrass us and ESPECIALLY at home.

We can do much, much better.

We you recruit better than us, then you whip us. That's what OM did. Freeze has it set up beautifully at OM. We don't. That's one thing that has to change. But can we really compare the recruiting situation at MSU to OM and someone that helped establish their pipeline? OM has a recruiting advantage. They do the things necessary to get elite talent. But do we think bringing in another head coach like Herman is going to change that? Heck no. The recruiting thing is much broader than we are talking about and yes we have to get it fixed. OM has outrecruited us and it showed on the field last night. And while Mullen is partly responsible, let's not be surprised that OM is bringing in high caliber guys right now.

As far as assistants, I think Gonzales, Johnson, Hughes and Diaz are the only safe ones. Might add Turner to that group although I would be ok if he's let go and we go a new direction. We do need better recruiters and we need to shell out the money to get them.

As far as being propped up by Dak in response to Todd, I guess Urban and Mullen were propped up by Alex Smith, Chris Leak, Tim Tebow, and his QBs at OSU???? Part of being good is that you develop talent at the most important position on the field. Dan does that and he's known for it and he did it again here at MSU. Mullen turned Relf into a serviceable SEC QB. Then turned Dak into one of the greatest ever. Now we have Fitz and Staley that are very solid QBs with bright futures. When they are successful, are we going to say Dan was propped up by them? That's a horrible argument Todd. The reason we didn't win 10 games is because Dak was on his ass too much from our trashy OL. The attitude I will agree with and that has to be addressed. But to say Mullen is propped up by Dak makes zero sense. He made us into a legit team because of what he did with Dak. It's easy for us to just sit here and praise Dak's greatness. Dan made that shit from the freaking ground up people. He's one of the greatest developers of QBs in football right now. Do we really want to throw that away so easily?

[Churchill]

Mullen has worked very hard and and kept his recruiting squeaky clean to get to the point in time where he stands right now. He has done a good job at a school that has had trouble winning historically without cheating....now it`s time to cash in on those personal achievements. He`ll leave the program with a damn good win/loss record but with the exception of QB in no better shape talent wise than Croom did and that`s not such a bad thing. If he gets his shot to leave and does we can hire someone as good or better or screw it up like we have so many times in the past but I`ll assure life will go on at at MSU with or without Dan Mullen. Personally I`m ready for a change but that`s just me.

[I seen it dawg]

Those of you that say "well this isn't all on Mullen...." Well guess what? He. Is. The. Head. Coach. It ALL falls on him whether good or bad. It's why he gets paid what he does. Last night is exactly why I've been beating the damn drum for awhile to let him run from this place. GTFO

[MafiaDawg]

Seriously, Where exactly is Dan going to go where he won't take a significant pay cut? Who is going to hire a coach who can't win the big game? Are you telling me that Maryland thinks he can go head to head with harbaugh, Meyer, dantonio, and Franklin. They would coach circles around him. I think we're stuck with him and that's not necessarily a bad thing if we have some staff changes.

[Churchill]

Seriously, Where exactly is Dan going to go where he won't take a significant pay cut? Who is going to hire a coach who can't win the big game? Are you telling me that Maryland thinks he can go head to head with harbaugh, Meyer, dantonio, and Franklin. They would coach circles around him. I think we're stuck with him and that's not necessarily a bad thing if we have some staff changes.

Maryland. They`ve just gotten into the B1G and have to kick it up a notch and they have access to lots of coins.

edited to add: Maryland`s AD ain`t the sharpest knife in the drawer

[Maroonthirteen]

What I meant by "all on Mullen" is....

IMO they beat us last night because of talent. They have more talent because they are rogue as hell in recruiting. We can pay Mullen $10 mil a year. He can't control what they do in recruiting and the incompetence of NCAA enforcement.

[SDDawg]

If he would change, let him stay. He won't, so GTFO and quick. He is already leaving, beyond obvious at this point.

[Dawgfan77]

If we are all thinking clearly which I think the OP is alluding to then we can see that Dan and the team played like their coach is out of here. I saw no passion and desire last night which leads me to believe dan is gone. You know what we can go get another good coach paying them 4.5 if we needed too. Oh and asst coaches. The seal family made sure we would be able to pay top asst. Bring me whittingham

[Blackout]

Those of you that say "well this isn't all on Mullen...." Well guess what? He. Is. The. Head. Coach. It ALL falls on him whether good or bad. It's why he gets paid what he does. Last night is exactly why I've been beating the damn drum for awhile to let him run from this place. GTFO

It sucks more of our fan base doesn't see things this way. Most are so damn uncaring about real success.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

What I meant by "all on Mullen" is....

IMO they beat us last night because of talent. They have more talent because they are rogue as hell in recruiting. We can pay Mullen $10 mil a year. He can't control what they do in recruiting and the incompetence of NCAA enforcement.

But he can control our coming out and playing scared. We got physically and mentally beat against any team that had an average defense.

[msstate7]

But he can control our coming out and playing scared. We got physically and mentally beat against any team that had an average defense.

Dak's TOs rattled everyone from Dan to dak to our defense to section 339... Those TOs were huge. Dan failed from not being able to calm the storm, but the storm was clearly started by dak. Doesn't mean I don't still love dak, but he played a huge part in last night's loss. He's won many more games than he's lossed though. He's still my favorite bulldawg too

[I seen it dawg]

What I meant by "all on Mullen" is....

IMO they beat us last night because of talent. They have more talent because they are rogue as hell in recruiting. We can pay Mullen $10 mil a year. He can't control what they do in recruiting and the incompetence of NCAA enforcement.

Bull ****ing shit. Cop out.

[t45fixer]

Collectively we will be out of all the top 25 polls. So is he really a Top 25 coach?

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Dak's TOs rattled everyone from Dan to dak to our defense to section 339... Those TOs were huge. Dan failed from not being able to calm the storm, but the storm was clearly started by dak. Doesn't mean I don't still love dak, but he played a huge part in last night's loss. He's won many more games than he's lossed though. He's still my favorite bulldawg too

This wasn't the only game. We play timid in big games and let the other team bring the hurt and the pain before we even act like we're interested.