Brandon Bryant ran a 4.25 40-yard dash

Denzel is asked to play a different role than a WLB is in our system. I'm not worried about run stopping with Richie and Beniquez in the box. We're still not putting LBs in one-on-one with Fournette and we're certainly not putting them on islands with Hunter Henry.

Per year rushing stats against MSU.
2009 - 3.96 ypp, 18 tds allowed
2010 - 3.56 ypp, 11 tds allowed
2011 - 3.72 ypp, 15 tds allowed
2012 - 4.27 ypp, 16 tds allowed
2013 - 4.21 ypp, 17 tds allowed
2014 - 4.18 ypp, 17 tds allowed

One of these is not like the rest.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-foot...y-diaz-defense

That 2010 team had 3 NFL LBs (Cam Law, KJ, Chris White) and 3 NFL DL (Cox, McPhee, Boyd) and 2 NFL DBs (Banks, Mitchell).

The times are measured electronically. I wish he could run a 4.25. However, I assure you that Bryant's true time is NOT a 4.25. He may have been the fastest of those running but he is not a true 4.25. Add 0.10 to 0.15 and we'll have a closer time for his true speed.

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That 2010 team had 3 NFL LBs (Cam Law, KJ, Chris White) and 3 NFL DL (Cox, McPhee, Boyd) and 2 NFL DBs (Banks, Mitchell).

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Cam Lawrence was a backup. Emmanuel Gatling was the 3rd starter at LB.

This 2015 defense has as much talent as we had then. And is much deeper. Cox, Boyd, Lawrence, and Banks were all 2nd year players in 2010 as well. Likening their "NFL talent" at the time is akin to doing to same for Gerri Green, Brandon Bryant, and Cory Thomas right now...

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The times are measured electronically. I wish he could run a 4.25. However, I assure you that Bryant's true time is NOT a 4.25. He may have been the fastest of those running but he is not a true 4.25. Add 0.10 to 0.15 and we'll have a closer time for his true speed.

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Who cares? I think the point of this whole thread is to point out that a guy who many are hoping will step up this year at, arguably, our biggest question mark of a position, is the fastest and one of the most athletic guys on our team (at 205 lbs).

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The times are measured electronically. I wish he could run a 4.25. However, I assure you that Bryant's true time is NOT a 4.25. He may have been the fastest of those running but he is not a true 4.25. Add 0.10 to 0.15 and we'll have a closer time for his true speed.

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I was curious whether these were electronically timed. If electronically timed, why are they not true times?

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That 2010 team had 3 NFL LBs (Cam Law, KJ, Chris White) and 3 NFL DL (Cox, McPhee, Boyd) and 2 NFL DBs (Banks, Mitchell).

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Both Browns and Green are probably future NFL. Jones, James, and Ryan Brown NFL. Redmond and Calhoun are future NFL.

It is going to be interesting to see what the Defense looks like this year if guys play to their potential.

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That 2010 team had 3 NFL LBs (Cam Law, KJ, Chris White) and 3 NFL DL (Cox, McPhee, Boyd) and 2 NFL DBs (Banks, Mitchell).

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The 2015 has at least 3 future NFL guys (Brown, Jones, James...maybe AJ) at least 3 future NFL LB's (Brown, Brown, Green) and at least 2 future NFL DB's (Remond and Calhoun)

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Cam Lawrence was a backup. Emmanuel Gatling was the 3rd starter at LB.

This 2015 defense has as much talent as we had then. And is much deeper. Cox, Boyd, Lawrence, and Banks were all 2nd year players in 2010 as well. Likening their "NFL talent" at the time is akin to doing to same for Gerri Green, Brandon Bryant, and Cory Thomas right now...

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Since when does "starter and backup" have any meaning in the CDM era? Go look at the individual stats for that year at hailstate.com compared to the starters.

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The times are measured electronically. I wish he could run a 4.25. However, I assure you that Bryant's true time is NOT a 4.25. He may have been the fastest of those running but he is not a true 4.25. Add 0.10 to 0.15 and we'll have a closer time for his true speed.

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I was curious whether these were electronically timed. If electronically timed, why are they not true times?

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I wondered the same thing. Wouldn't electronically timed runs be more accurate than hand timed?

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I wondered the same thing. Wouldn't electronically timed runs be more accurate than hand timed?

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None of them are super accurate when it gets down to measuring tenths of a second. It doesn't really matter if he ran a 4.25 or a 4.4, he's really fast. Any sub 4.6 time is really, really fast.

What's valuable about this board for our team isn't the number, but the relative rank. It promotes competition.

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The times are measured electronically. I wish he could run a 4.25. However, I assure you that Bryant's true time is NOT a 4.25. He may have been the fastest of those running but he is not a true 4.25. Add 0.10 to 0.15 and we'll have a closer time for his true speed.

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Did you mean NOT measured electronically? If they're measured electronically, then those are as accurate as could be.

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Since when does "starter and backup" have any meaning in the CDM era? Go look at the individual stats for that year at hailstate.com

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You should take your own advice.

http://my.jetscreenshot.com/demo/m_2...-al80-56kb.jpg

http://my.jetscreenshot.com/demo/m_2...-savj-76kb.jpg

Lawrence had approximately the same production that year that Zach Jackson had this year. But since "starter and backup" has never meant anything in the Mullen era -- I'd love for you to explain Wright, White, and Mitchell's tackle numbers from that year under Diaz.

my point is you said Lawrence was backup to Gatling and there is a 0.29 tackles per game difference.

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Who cares? I think the point of this whole thread is to point out that a guy who many are hoping will step up this year at, arguably, our biggest question mark of a position, is the fastest and one of the most athletic guys on our team (at 205 lbs).

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And if a snowball fight ever breaks out on the field late in the season, we're apparently covered there too.

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The 2015 has at least 3 future NFL guys (Brown, Jones, James...maybe AJ) at least 3 future NFL LB's (Brown, Brown, Green) and at least 2 future NFL DB's (Remond and Calhoun)

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Beat you by 3 minutes.

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my point is you said Lawrence was backup to Gatling and there is a 0.29 tackles per game difference.

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No, I said Lawrence was a backup and Gatling was a starter. I didn't define which position he actually backed up. That difference was still greater than the difference between Beniquez Brown and Christian Holmes. So, are those guys basically identical as well in terms of NFL talent which is what the debate was initially about?

You started out to say that the 2010 defense was more talented than any other one we've had -- which was misleading for the reasons I defined. The best, maybe. Certainly the best scheme. But we've had as much talent pretty consistently.

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You should take your own advice.

http://my.jetscreenshot.com/demo/m_2...-al80-56kb.jpg

http://my.jetscreenshot.com/demo/m_2...-savj-76kb.jpg

Lawrence had approximately the same production that year that Zach Jackson had this year. But since "starter and backup" has never meant anything in the Mullen era -- I'd love for you to explain Wright, White, and Mitchell's tackle numbers from that year under Diaz.

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The 2015 has at least 3 future NFL guys (Brown, Jones, James...maybe AJ) at least 3 future NFL LB's (Brown, Brown, Green) and at least 2 future NFL DB's (Remond and Calhoun)

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Im comparing those years given by the guy earlier in the thread implying that it was Diaz who made the difference in 2010. I was offering the suggestion that it may have been the players on that squad that made the D better that year.


Per year rushing stats against MSU.
2009 - 3.96 ypp, 18 tds allowed
2010 - 3.56 ypp, 11 tds allowed
2011 - 3.72 ypp, 15 tds allowed
2012 - 4.27 ypp, 16 tds allowed
2013 - 4.21 ypp, 17 tds allowed
2014 - 4.18 ypp, 17 tds allowed


I was not projecting to 2015 or comparing roster/depth between 2010 and 2015. Nevermind.

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None of them are super accurate when it gets down to measuring tenths of a second. It doesn't really matter if he ran a 4.25 or a 4.4, he's really fast. Any sub 4.6 time is really, really fast.

What's valuable about this board for our team isn't the number, but the relative rank. It promotes competition.

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It shouldn't matter, relatively speaking, Bryant is roughly .1 seconds faster than anyone else on the team in the 40. That's pretty significant.

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You should take your own advice.

http://my.jetscreenshot.com/demo/m_2...-al80-56kb.jpg

http://my.jetscreenshot.com/demo/m_2...-savj-76kb.jpg

Lawrence had approximately the same production that year that Zach Jackson had this year. But since "starter and backup" has never meant anything in the Mullen era -- I'd love for you to explain Wright, White, and Mitchell's tackle numbers from that year under Diaz.

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Something that jumped out to me in those 2015 stats is Kivon Coman's production. For all the haterade being passed on ED about him, he finished ahead of both Hughes and Cox in tackles last season. I'll grant he had a bunch on STs, same as Turtle, but it's further proof the kid can play. Can't wait to see the progress he's made this season. Going to be a lot of surprised ED members this fall.

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It shouldn't matter, relatively speaking, Bryant is roughly .1 seconds faster than anyone else on the team in the 40. That's pretty significant.

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Also at safety which needs speed to recover on deep passes. Hopefully it helps him cover a lot of ground back there.

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Something that jumped out to me in those 2015 stats is Kivon Coman's production. For all the haterade being passed on ED about him, he finished ahead of both Hughes and Cox in tackles last season. I'll grant he had a bunch on STs, same as Turtle, but it's further proof the kid can play. Can't wait to see the progress he's made this season. Going to be a lot of surprised ED members this fall.

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Coman is going to be good. I just hope we aren't sharing a bunch of his reps with the "veterans" because they are veterans. Market's situation concerns me. He just doesn't have any ability to lose speed and still play for us. Hopefully, we don't. Because that's a very exploitable weakness. If Coman is off the field, I want to see Peters or Bryant in that spot... JMO...

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Coman is going to be good. I just hope we aren't sharing a bunch of his reps with the "veterans" because they are veterans. Market's situation concerns me. He just doesn't have any ability to lose speed and still play for us. Hopefully, we don't. Because that's a very exploitable weakness. If Coman is off the field, I want to see Peters or Bryant in that spot... JMO...

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Who makes the in-game substitution call there, Manny or Hughes? I don't see Manny hesitating to play the younger guys.

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Who makes the in-game substitution call there, Manny or Hughes? I don't see Manny hesitating to play the younger guys.

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Or Dan? I don't know. This year will go a long way toward giving us answers because Diaz really only played about 15 deep on defense last time he was here -- but we also had no depth at the time. We played Nickoe early at safety too. And Diaz scheme is the same base fundamental as Collins, so the adjustment shouldn't be too huge one wouldn't think. I dunno if we can keep Bryant off the field. He has something we lack at a position we lack it...

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Something that jumped out to me in those 2015 stats is Kivon Coman's production. For all the haterade being passed on ED about him, he finished ahead of both Hughes and Cox in tackles last season.

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Run support from a safety is great, but that's not what anybody was complaining about last year with our safeties. Not saying Coman didn't get a bad rap (I don't know if he did or not), but the fact that he got plenty of tackles doesn't really respond to the complaints people had about pass coverage. Other than the UM game, I don't remember any particular game where our tackling cost us. Maybe the Bama game on Sims' second half scrambles?

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Or Dan? I don't know. This year will go a long way toward giving us answers because Diaz really only played about 15 deep on defense last time he was here -- but we also had no depth at the time. We played Nickoe early at safety too. And Diaz scheme is the same base fundamental as Collins, so the adjustment shouldn't be too huge one wouldn't think. I dunno if we can keep Bryant off the field. He has something we lack at a position we lack it...

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Surely Dan isn't that involved in-game for defense. HC and offensive play calling is a plate full.

Probably just game planning and game review to get across what he wants.

The DC is control of substitutions but usually give that position coach leeway to pull/replace players if need be.

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Coman is going to be good. I just hope we aren't sharing a bunch of his reps with the "veterans" because they are veterans. Market's situation concerns me. He just doesn't have any ability to lose speed and still play for us. Hopefully, we don't. Because that's a very exploitable weakness. If Coman is off the field, I want to see Peters or Bryant in that spot... JMO...

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That was the biggest weakness last year was not having at least 1 safety with elite speed. If you have one safety who doesn't have the overall speed like Market, the other safety needs to be able to cover a lot of ground in a hurry.

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That was the biggest weakness last year was not having at least 1 safety with elite speed. If you have one safety who doesn't have the overall speed like Market, the other safety needs to be able to cover a lot of ground in a hurry.

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Cox had elite speed, it was just negated by the two steps he took in the wrong direction when the ball was snapped.

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That was the biggest weakness last year was not having at least 1 safety with elite speed. If you have one safety who doesn't have the overall speed like Market, the other safety needs to be able to cover a lot of ground in a hurry.

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Cox was the fastest safety to come thru the combine since at least 2008...
But I get what you are saying. In the sec and with our track record, we shouldn't have to compromise athleticism and smarts. We should be able to have both IMO. High hopes for the young guys and that includes Coman

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Cox had elite speed, it was just negated by the two steps he took in the wrong direction when the ball was snapped.

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And on the flip side, Market never really had to catch up because he was always in the right position. If there was a breakdown, Market couldn't catch up to a guy like Cox could, but that's about all you're missing with Market. Or was before his injury.

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Or Dan? I don't know. This year will go a long way toward giving us answers because Diaz really only played about 15 deep on defense last time he was here -- but we also had no depth at the time. We played Nickoe early at safety too. And Diaz scheme is the same base fundamental as Collins, so the adjustment shouldn't be too huge one wouldn't think. I dunno if we can keep Bryant off the field. He has something we lack at a position we lack it...

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I've been projecting Coman and Bryant as the starters for a while. Market's my Dawg, but I'm afraid the Achilles' injury spells doom for him. We all saw how much speed both Nickoe and Hughes lost after theirs. Then you gotta factor in how late in the year Market's occurred. To be blunt, I think we should sit him this season and try to get him a medshirt for '16. I just can't see him being ready to play any significant role before October.

What about Tolando Cleveland? Does anyone think he could start at S?

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Cox was the fastest safety to come thru the combine since at least 2008...
But I get what you are saying. In the sec and with our track record, we shouldn't have to compromise athleticism and smarts. We should be able to have both IMO. High hopes for the young guys and that includes Coman

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It has become obvious that the biggest deficiency Cox had was between his ears.

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What about Tolando Cleveland? Does anyone think he could start at S?

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Maybe could -- but I don't see the point. By the time he got acclimated, Peters and Bryant would be ready to go.

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To be blunt, I think we should sit him this season and try to get him a medshirt for '16. I just can't see him being ready to play any significant role before October.

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Unless he's a super fast healer I would agree with this. After seeing the after effects on Whitley and Hughes from this type injury, neither of which had it happen as late in the season as Market did, I just don't see how we can expect Market to help us much this year.

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It has become obvious that the biggest deficiency Cox had was between his ears.

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Prettymuch always been obvious since he showed up IMO. Always hoped he would get it together...

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Unless he's a super fast healer I would agree with this. After seeing the after effects on Whitley and Hughes from this type injury, neither of which had it happen as late in the season as Market did, I just don't see how we can expect Market to help us much this year.

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Add in the fact that Market wasn't very fast to begin with.

Obviously CDM and Collins didn't see eye to eye..
If Dan had wanted to End the 1a / 1b stuff he would have.. But it's kind of hard to bitch and blow something up when your ranked #1 and 9-0 going into the Bama game ..
I'm sure it will be much different this year with Manny, and our defense will be much improved..
Manny will put guys in the best situations .. This was a huge upgrade Manny > Collins