If Bryant hasn't beaten out Evans, that scares me. Of course, it's probably Dan giving the upperclassman the right to start more than anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
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If Bryant hasn't beaten out Evans, that scares me. Of course, it's probably Dan giving the upperclassman the right to start more than anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
neither has Coman. He was beaten on a regular basis last year. Unless he makes a huge step forward, limit his time.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
I don't know why Coman keeps getting lumped in with Evans. Coman played fine last year & he will be our best safety this year. Mark my words.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach
Because he was burned a lot, or Evans wore his jersey..... A lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
I wouldn't say "regular basis." He got burned a few times last year, but who didn't? Like Dan says, he's not in the same league as Evans (who's just not an SEC player in terms of athleticism or smarts) and just needed time to get over his growing pains.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach
Safety is one of the most difficult positions to start as a freshman. So much of that position is mental, I just think we will rely on the experienced kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
You need to rewatch the games. He was not burned a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach
Just 100% disagree. Watch the Orange bowl. Huge plays given up by him. Every game he was in.Quote:
Originally Posted by thf24
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Originally Posted by Really Clark?
I have. Unless he is splitting time with a player wearing his number, he gets burned a lot. Maybe I have his number wrong.... 11 right.
It will take Peters half a season as well to make any kind of impact. And no- Coman was not burned alot. Having to come over and cover for someone else's ****-up is not "getting burned"
Lol... He got burned. And it was a lot. Out of position. It's fact.
Not as tough as we've made it look the past 4 years. Nickoe did just great in Diaz's system the first go round as a rsFR that missed most of his trFR year with an ACL. Nevermind that it was a brand new scheme at the time. That said, we still gave up some big plays -- but what I saw with Diaz at La Tech shows that he's learned alot since then.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
He is 11 alright and Evans is 17. Coman did not get burned like you think. Even in the Orange Bowl, Calhoun got beat bad on a play (looked liked blown coverage though with Evans). Evans and Jackson did as well. But with Jackson there were scheme issues. I know Love gave up the first touchdown but it was ok coverage (would have been PI on the play anyway though). Is that some of what you are seeing though? Blown coverage is not the same as getting beat. And Coman did a try to cover other people's mistakes after the fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach
Jamal Adams, Tony Connor, Quin Blanding, Landon Collins, and Shaq Thompson all performed at high levels as true freshmen...
No, I'm seeing him blow his assignments. Sometimes people think he is cleaning up a play, when in fact he was late to his assignment. But, no need in arguing about it. I hope if he is the guy that he is the man back there. Would love to see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
several of those you just listed were used more in the DOG Safety role for most of their snaps - i.e., they were within 7 yards of the LOS acting more as a roving LB who blitzed the outside edge or came in the middle as run support behind a blitzing LB. Not taking anything away from those guys, but that is what a lot of those players you mentioned did. Tony Connor was a GREAT run support safety his first two years, and covered the slot one-on-one, but rarely was seen in actual safety coverage. And there was many times where he was way out of position when he did.
our fans consistently blame the wrong guy in the secondary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Coman is going to be ok. Market will be good once he's back as long as he's fully recovered. Evans is going to help with depth too. We've actually got a lot of decent bodies to throw out there. We don't have a bonified all-SEC type guy unless Market becomes Josh Morgan, but we've got 4-6 kids that have the potential to play with 4 of them having solid experience and 2 of them having elite talent. We'll find a mix so long as injuries don't hit us back there like they did last year.
DL depth is the only place for concern really... and FG kicking I suppose.
Evans blew assignments and the schemes but the players in bad positions. But between the two you honestly think Coman was beat and blew more assignments than Evans or Jackson? Sorry that's just not how me and several others on here see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach
But not even all of these guys started as a true freshman, depending on the school. Collins was a bench roll player and special teams his whole freshman year. Adams was mid season before he got a start. Shaq Thompson was the nickle back and only if they came out to start the game in nickle did he start. I hope our guys come in a light the world on fire but it may be a little while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Covercorner2
If we can get just average safety play we will be fine. Just average, dont blow your assignment, come down and make a tackle or two. Dont have to be all sec or even good, just average. Anything beats last years safety play, not all on the players though, our DC quit on us or just flat out sucked
we play a cover two formation with our CBs in outside leverage. If we're giving up big pass plays with that, we've some serious, serious issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by GTHOM
Agreed, that was my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
And the sad thing is we did do that last year, our coaches didnt do us any favors by sitting in a cover 2 in the biggest game of the year either.
Oh yeah and zach jackson 1 on 1 with slots and athletic TE's over and over again was embarassing. totally on our coaches.
Nothing against jackson hes going to play this year i just dont want to see that ever ever again
Our defense may not be much improved until 2016. But I think the safety group will be a strong suit in the following 2 to 3 seasons. I'm more worried about getting pressure to the qb this year.
I dont expect Manny to stand around with his thumb in his ass and just rush the front 4 to get pressureQuote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
I'm glad we got Manny, I think he will bring the D around, in time.
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Originally Posted by Political Hack
The over the top help was an issue with 1bs. Majorly out of position. Alot
I will admit that Evans got burned more than Coman, but I don't care for either one of them. Just because one guy is horrible and one is below average doesn't make the below average guy awesome.
And let's not forget that Coman made the biggest tackle in the Egg Bowl- on our very own Chris Jones who was about to tackle the Ole Miss RB for a loss before said tackle took out Jones and allowed a 90+ yard TD run.
Irvin-Sills, Coman, and Evans all have experience. Market & Bryant will help too. Then we're injecting two very talented guys for immediate depth if needed. Our CBs are good enough to not need a man over the top in a lot of match ups this year too. We can go zero coverage on the outside with outside leverage and not worry about giving up the big play. We're going to make the safeties jobs easy.
Also, we have two OLBs that we can send in, make it look like we're in a 4-3, and drop into what amounts to a nickle package. Our LB group personnel is so versatile it's going to take some of the pressure off the S's and the DE's.
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Originally Posted by Political Hack
You really think so? Consistently? I wish it was that way
Totally agree with Redmond, but I'm not convinced on the other side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
I'm still having flashbacks of Ga Tech running two plays for like a million yards.
We matched up a 5'8" corner on a 6'5" WR. They may as well have asked me to cover him.
Will is going to be about as "shut-down" as you can get in Manny's defense. We don't take away the underneath stuff so they'll be taught to give that up, but go back and watch the Bama game to get a feeling of how dominate he can be in a game. Saban and Kiffin didn't test a single time. Not once. They even ran away from his side. They attacked the safeties and stayed away from our play makers.
Overall, I think our CBs are going to be much, much better this season. Will will get more than 50% of the snaps now. Cleveland is long and athletic. He'll be solid with outside leverage. And we get Jiles back too. Plus we're adding an elite athlete like Smokey to the package. We should be pretty damn good outside... as in top half of the SEC West type good.
Safeties, DL depth, and Kicker is where we need to see them develop.
You didn't even mention the other starting CB. Calhoun & Redmond will be 1 of the top CB duos in the SEC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
very true. I almost didn't mention Will either, but then went back and added him. Those two are going to be pretty reliable and take over 65%+ of the snaps on the outside I'd imagine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Yeah, Cleveland is long and athletic, but hopefully he will learn to tackle instead of trying to push a guy out of bounds like he did in the Kentucky game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
that's the difference between a young talented guy that hasn't played a lot of snaps and an old experienced guy who has.Quote:
Originally Posted by NCDawg
Agree... And everyone forgets about Jiles... If he stays health he is an SEC corner.... Also don't sleep on Jamoral at CB.. He is going to push hard to get playing time.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
He's caught wayyyy too much grief about one blown play in a game we won. Cleveland hasn't messed up much -- and he sure wasn't picked on any more than any of our other DBs last year...Quote:
Originally Posted by NCDawg
It's going to be glorious to behold just how good Will and Calhoun can be when they can jump routes knowing they have safety help over the top...
fingers crossed.....Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
This. Cleveland is going to be a stud.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Quote from a coach from high school in Louisiana today that was at our practice..
Oline looks stout
We have big athletic dudes here
Lots of speed
Very impressed