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That's fine I'm just telling what the plan is as of today. If we get O the plan "As of Today" is for him to be the DC/LB Coach. If you think something else happens that's cool just telling what I know right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
That's funny!!Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
I've heard the rumor of coach o thinking about joining Riley at Nebraska. You think he's looking at which school will pay more?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Same concerns here. It doesn't make practical sense. My feelings are identical to yours...Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
He very well may. I'm not saying it's a done deal bc we know nothing is final until they're on campus but it's very close to being official.Quote:
Originally Posted by defiantdog
Have a little vision gentlemen. It's amazing that you value Bill Clark's time as a DC at South Alabama more than O's experience as a SEC head coach and a HC at USC. Shannon hasn't coached a defense in 8 years and when he did, he had NFL players at every position. O is not a head coach and he is not an offensive coach. But the man knows Defense. He was heavily involved with the defenses at Ole Miss and USC.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Glad someone else feels the same. I can't believe a lot of us are falling into this recruiting is everything trap and don't see the other ramifications it has. We seem to be doing just fine right now with our 2015 and 2016 class. Much better than in the past. Is Orgeron going to help us so much more in recruiting that we just say screw the LB unit he will figure it out along the way? What coach or university in our current position does that?Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
If we hire Orgeron as our DC/LB coach and that's the only coaching move we make there, I will be extremely unimpressed with the vision of where our football program needs to go.
Then why has he never been a defensive coordinator and been a sucky SEC HC? And I guess Orgeron having a bunch of NFL players at USC doesn't count for him but it does for Shannon?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Croom is not a HC or a defensive coach but the man knows running backs and has SEC HC experience. Heck he's got years in the NFL too AND was an OC for the Lions. I say we bring him on as OC for us.
And I would be extremely impressed. An ex USC head coach on staff as an assistant? Come on man! O knows defense and recruiting. Its a no brainer homerun hire. That's why I don't think it will happen. We cant get that lucky.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
The bold is where you are wrong. If he knew defense, he would have been a defensive coordinator SOMEWHERE along the line in his 30 years of coaching. He hasn't been.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
He does know recruiting, but he knows the defensive line. Why wasn't he the DC for the Saints? Or USC? Or Tennessee? Or Syracuse? I mean come on. Let's not give him more than he deserves. He's good at coaching the DL and recruiting but if he were that good at calling a defense he would have been hired as a defensive coordinator by this point in his career.
All comes down to which is stronger...the dead Indians' medicine men or the Cajuns' voodoo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
You've got your mind made up. I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise. Continue with your sulking....Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
I wouldn't want Saban as offensive coordinator either...Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
I'm not asking you to convince me. Just a difference of opinion. We should be able to have that. I'm just trying to get an explanation as to why he would be a good defensive coordinator for us and voicing my concerns as to why I think he's not a good choice. That's all I want. Other than he's a good recruiter, I just want to have a discussion as to why he would be a good defensive coordinator for us other than I think he can do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
This is a big decision and something that bears discussion amongst our fan base. A lot of potential options are on the table. It's a topic worthy of discussion and back and forth.
As an assistant? Sure! Would love to have him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
As the guy in charge of our defense and can make or break one of the greatest potential seasons in MSU history? Something he's arguably never done and certainly never done against the spread -- and trotted an 80th ranked D on the field in 07 that Tyrone f'n Nix proved had elite talent the very next year? Nothing O's ever done inspires me that he'd be great as a defensive playcaller...
O would rather be at MSU than Nebraska. Closer to home, better players, and a greater platform (SEC) to promote himself as a head coach candidate.Quote:
Originally Posted by defiantdog
If O does well as MSU's DC, he'll be a head coach within 2 years.
He'd be highly motivated and do great. I hope we get him. It's a homerun hire that could push us over the top.
O wasn't DC at Tennessee or USC because Kiffin wanted to coach with his Dad- but O had a lot of input on things
That's right. He even had some weird title like pre-game scheme coordinator. Hard to find 2 better guys to study under than Pete Carroll and Monte Kiffen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
So naturally when kiffin fired his dad, O got promoted right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Nevermind that his mentor is basically the founder of the very defense our fanbase has come to hate so badly....
Street talk is that "O" interviewed last Monday night....
Kiffin ran cover 2 We were a man defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Let's think logically here. I'm pretty sure that if we hire Orgeron, we are going to let Turner go and then hire a LB coach.
We haven't hired anybody yet- so there's no reason to let Turner go, and there's no reason to tell him that he will be gone at this point. What happens if we told Turner that we were going to hire Orgeron and then Coach O for some reason goes to Nebraska?
Now, I'm sure Turner has heard rumors and probably suspects that he is about to be let go, but if you ask him to his face like Paul or Rosebowl or whoever asked him if he is going to be back, as long as he has a functioning brain, he kind of has to say yes. Because if he says no, then Dan is going to expect a resignation one way or the other- and if we don't hire Coach O, then Turner would have pretty much hung himself at MSU.
And we need Turner for the bowl game.
Todd gets it. We're not just going to throw O in there as DC and LB coach. Mullen isn't dumb. And even if we did...we could do much worse. Everybody chill, hiring O as DC is nowhere NEAR as terrible and dramatic as some of you act....but it's not as sure fire home run as others think. The truth lies in the middle, and we likely will have other hires that come with O if we do hire him. Mullen will put him in position to succeed, and give him the help he needs.
Say what?Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Exactly Todd.
And I'm great with that. Which I why I feel like there has to be more than meets the eye....
anyone who has a problem with this, yar yar yar.
The defense will play lights out for this guy. His players love him. I'll take that.
He did not call that much at USC and the DL calls he made were under someone else's system. Monte then Pendergast made the calls. That's been discussed before. How much scheming he did at UM I'm not certain on, but I do know that defense got significantly worse each year even with NFL talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Damn I love Coach O, I just wish he had more on his resume than HC/DL/RC. No doubt he was damn good at 2 of the 3. I'm still holding out for Shannon..
This is what people like me and Engie are trying to say. I don't think he would be a bad DC as long as he is in control of the DL. Would I prefer him as DC to a few others? No. I think Clark/Durkin/Shannon are better hires for the DC spot. But if Orgeron is our DC, Turner is let go, and we bring in an LB coach, I'm 100% ok with that and think we can be very successful there. But in order to do this, we HAVE to be willing to put up the money to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
That's the other part of this is. I think Mullen is not signing his contract because he is negotiating the money necessary to bring in the people he wants for us to be successful. It's going to take money for us to elevate ourselves and Mullen has known that from day 1. This to me is the unknown piece of the puzzle. Are we willing to take a big leap and pay a DC one million? Are we willing to bump assistant pay up in the 300-400K range? Mullen is going to fight for that because it's another piece of our image we are trying to rebrand that we are a destination, not a stepping stone. The Collins move has magnified that fact even moreso.
Then don't bring up Ray and there won't be a hijack.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
Way to be a jerk. There was all of 1 reply before you decided to bring it up again TWO PAGES LATER.Quote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
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Ricky Ray for DC.***
There's only 1 other OM coach ever that I can think of that I'd ever want on our staff, and he's not leaving Duke.
Womack (Ole Miss DC, I don't know how to spell his naem) sux as a coach but his defense is good because of the talent level. Coach O will get that kind of talent.
he also won't be afraid to put his top 11 on the field regardless of class. Sr's won't play ahead of JR's and Sophomores just because they're a year older.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Yeah I should have just let it go....but why bring it up in the first place? And then reply to my reply? But I should have just let it go and not tempted you...Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
Rick Ray runs a version of "Football on Hardwood", or at least the injuries lead me to believe that.
Womack has 25 years as a defensive coordinator all over major college football. Nothing at all like Orgeron. Wommack is FAR more comparable to Joe Lee Dunn than to Orgeron. Elite schemer -- not a recruiter. And let's not pretend his first couple of defenses there had elite talent. He started a bunch of Nutt freshmen and knocked our dicks in the dirt his first year on the job...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
I guess that's why no one comes for him to coach for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Engie, I'm completely with you on this, but you are t going to win this battle. People are thinking Crootin and not schemes.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Joe Lee Wommack**Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert