Yeah, we all know all of that. Doesn't change anything I said. Croom means absolutely nothing to us anymore, we are #1 in the country, and he still supports and cheers for us. Takes a pretty miserable person to take that scenario and be incensed.
Yeah, we all know all of that. Doesn't change anything I said. Croom means absolutely nothing to us anymore, we are #1 in the country, and he still supports and cheers for us. Takes a pretty miserable person to take that scenario and be incensed.
Oh you mean the class he showed when he lied to Bobo and Littlejohn about them having a scholarship.
The class he showed on the after game call in show when he told a fan and all MSU alumni that he didn't care what we thought about his offense that was always in the bottom ten.
The class he showed on national TV at the Bama game when he shouted F**k you into the camera.
The class he showed by kicking Sherrills guys off for any violation while keeping his own guys who failed multiple drug tests.
Okay back to a few guys talking up a PR stunt.
There was a player (receiver) who was on an NFL roster and scout squad for a while but couldn't get on the field at MSU.
The truth is difficult. We can debate whether or not it should be expressed, but the comments concerning Croom are true. Good man? Sure. Could a more adequate coach have cleaned up the program? Of course. He took on the job and was paid to clean it up and win. He failed on the second part.
I've always wished him well,..but damn that man was stubborn.
We had to pay that moron nearly $5MM to stop being our coach. He better root for our ass
And nothing you have said is un-true.
Yep, apparently Croom's "ethical standards" including maintaining a "Gulf Coast Offense" led by his buddy Woody that finished BELOW 100 in total offense for 5 STRAIGHT YEARS. I like Croom as a person (certainly not as a coach) but the way he martyrs himself over his dismissal here is pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by M.Fillmore
Byrne told Crooms he was going to switch to the Spread offense and hire a new OC to run that offense- or he could resign. Crooms chose to resign.
Thank god he resigned over that
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Originally Posted by dawgoneyall
I keep hearing Croom was a good/great man. Could someone please point out the great things he`s done. Charities, stories of how affected lives in a positive way etc.. Maybe the way he was hired and his shenanigans while masquerading as a head coach just pissed me off so bad I wasn`t watching closely enough.
Yep.
And Threadgill could not get on the field also. Fastest player on the team. Missed a pass and he was done. Of course he was the only MSU receiver to miss a pass.*******
Let me say this. I was a huge croom supporter and even had hope going into 08 that he was going to get it done. Then we took a miserable giant leap backwards. What he was preaching wasn't working. He was being hard headed and it was hurting mine and yours university and football team. He had to go. I wasn't mad at him, it just didn't work out. I really hated it too, because, I as much as anyone wanted him to succeed. I didn't hate him though and I still don't but I'm not going to give him credit where none is due. And he is now trying to take at least some partial credit for where we are now. That Is complete and utter garbage. Say you're proud to see the dawgs winning. Say you'll always be a bulldog. Don't say you are the reason we are winning. That's bull
He didn't say he's the reason we're winning. He said he would like to think what they did helped begin the process we see being fulfilled now, as probably anyone in his situation would. Would you like him to say, 'I was terrible, Mullen had to win despite me'? An extremely large majority of people don't think that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by RC3
And let's set the record straight, the only reason we had a good season in '07 was because the defense and special teams scored probably half our points on the year.Quote:
Originally Posted by RC3
I realize he's not saying that he is solely responsible. I shouldn't have characterized it that way. I'd prefer he not say anything at all that remotely asserts some type of responsibility for our success.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Hooray that Crxxm cheers for us. But if he is going to take credit for laying the foundation it would only undermine his claim to speak ill of the program. The more success we have the better Crxxm looks if he can get anyone to buy the line he is selling.
If anyone here wants to pay me $8.1M over the next five years, they can fire my butt and I promise that I won't call them unethical.
I know archie sims. Croom and "character / man of word" should never be uttered in the same sentence.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobcat91
I like sly but he is a huge hypocrite.
I view Sly like I view Stansbury. There was good and bad. Just let it go and appreciate the good.
NEWS FLASH: We are ****ing #1 in the country. None of you are allowed to feel angry about anything.
Riddle me this... What if I told you that if you could endure the worst years in MSU history that your reward would be being #1 in the country a handful of years later?
Every damn one of you felt MSU ought to be able to bowl more often than not and once in a blue moon make a run in Atlanta. Who among you had #1 in mind. NOBODY!
Pretty much my thoughts.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlabLoser
I couldn't Stand Sly then and really can't believe the Number of State Fans that are still drinking the Kool-aid . He is the worst coach to ever Coach at State, hell give me Charlie Shira. I'm right there on board with Coach 34 on the Slytanic. oh Yea, he ruined Omarr.
Saw this a day or two ago. Didn't bother linking because it's garbage. Crxxm is so irrelevant he isn't worth wasting our time discussing. He can cheer for us all he wants, but it doesn't change the fact he's arguably the worst HC in MSU history. And there is literally no one on this team that was recruited by him. Just a typical Alabama journalist trying to stir shit and insert race into something where it has no place. Screw Crxxm.
I think a lot of things that we are seeing with Dan is what Croom wanted and envisioned, but he couldn't implement them. And thus, he was fired.
The thing I like the best about Dan is he appears to be very detail oriented from a fundamentals standpoint, and overall he has done a good job with recruiting players that work hard and seem to be good people. And I think that's a lot of what killed Croom. It's one thing to talk it, but you have to walk it. And that's not easy- and Dan really should be commended for what he has done in that respect, which I think gets overlooked a lot.
I also think he didn't get Mississippi and that hurt him a lot too. Instead of recruiting Alabama so hard, he probably should have done what Dan is doing now- focus on Mississippi guys and try to beat the bushes for the Benardrick McKinney's and Chris Jones's. I don't think he fully understood the Egg Bowl rivalry either- see 45-0. We never had the focus and intensity that we should have had for that game other than maybe 2005 when Norwood carried us to a win.
Y'all failed to mention the worst part about Croom imo. He intentionally put MSU down so that he could extend his contract longer. He repeatedly said how awful the program was and that it would take 6-8 years to right the ship and that MSU could never compete regularly with the LSU and Bama's of the world. He purposely lowered the bar so low just so he could keep getting a fat paycheck. Fu@k Croom. That gigantic turd tried to turn MSU into a retarded Bama Lite. He copied everything Bama except the most important part. Winning. Remember how decked up he got and stood on the sidelines soaking up Bama's stadium his last time coaching there. He cared about himself and trying to audition for Bama. That is all he cared about. Then he had the nerve to call race into his firing as a decision. Gonna go puke now.
Seriously, WTF guys?! We are f*ckin #1 in the GD country with an SEC road game and you are all having hissy fits over a coach's comments who hasn't been here for 6 years?! F*cking really?!
I may or may not be drinking tonight....
I've never seen a coach who was so openly antagonistic/hostile towards his fan base as Crxxm was toward us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Nailed it. Everyone overlooks this aspect of the Crxxm Error. He was convinced you couldn't win with MS players, so he tried to get the "overlooked" players in Alabama. The problem is those "overlooked" players all sucked and never had even a sniff of interest from any legit D-I program. In contrast, look at Bear Wilson. Yeah, he was "overlooked," but the Auburn was after him hard the final 6 weeks or so of his recruitment. They new he was a player and desperately wanted to sign him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
You're also correct that he never understood the importance of the Battle for the Golden Egg (starting now, I'm gonna bring back the REAL name of this game). Furthermore, he didn't care to understand its importance. By contrast, look at his predecessor. After losing to TSUN for the first time and catching serious hell, JWS said he hadn't understood how important that game was to our people. But he went on to say that he understood now and winning the Battle for the Golden Egg would be a priority. Before the wheels came off, The Kang was 6-3 in 9 games against the BearSharks. Crxxm, however, stressed beating Alabama. He was pissed they hired Shula over him and wanted blood. In a way, 45-0 is actually the worst example of Crxxm's inability to understand the Battle for the Golden Egg. Sure, that's the worst blowout by either side in the game's history. However, it really wasn't that big a shock. The signs had been there for weeks that the players had given up on Crxxm. I'd say the previous year, 2007, was a better example. Bowl eligibility on the line. Golden Egg Trophy at stake. No way a team is flat in that scenario.....oh wait. We were. It took us 3.5 Quarters to show up for that game. Just totally ridiculous, even though we wound up winning.
This guy is an abomination
He is gone, that's the absolute best part about Sly Croom. That era will always make me appreciate a coach with some ability. And I say it again, the reason Croom is labeled as such a good guy is because there literally is nothing else to say about his era as a coach than that from the ones that defend him. And who knows, maybe that's not true either.
I am with you. I think you are reading it correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
I never really bought that Croom was getting rid of players because they were trouble. I really always felt he was getting rid of them to buy himself more time. I think he wasn't sure if he could win or not so he wanted a built in excuse that he didn't have any good players because he was cleaning up the program. The biggest player issue during his reign was by a player that he brought in from another school, who I think had some questions about his character (Brown - the OL dismissed for gun charges). When Croom has talked about not being given enough time he always has mentioned that he had to get rid of a lot of players because he cleaned up the program. For the record, I think Charlie Strong is using this same tactic at Texas.
That being said, I wish this would just go away because we are the #1 team in the country and I don't want our like/dislike of a former coach to become a big news item.
The guy who was more successful peepin' then coachin'. I have to say whenever I think of Croom nowadays it's of the peepin' variety and not the coach. Whoever came up with Peepin' Crooms was awesome. I have gotten more entertainment out of that then a lot of other stuff considering he gave us that lovely "Remember the Maine" game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Croom was in way over his head. He had no business being a head coach.
Should be able to read the tea leaves when a guy was a coach in the NFL for 18 years (when we hired him) but yet he can't really elevate himself above a RB coach. I realize he did get a 2 year stint as an OC but it didn't work out well.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame