Tyler Russell- aka "The Statue" rushed for 3 times as many yards his Sr year as Minshew did as a Jr. Minshew barely rushed for over 100 yards on THE SEASON.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandwolf
DONT WASTE OUR TIME AND THIS KID'S CAREER-DO NOT WANT
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Tyler Russell- aka "The Statue" rushed for 3 times as many yards his Sr year as Minshew did as a Jr. Minshew barely rushed for over 100 yards on THE SEASON.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandwolf
DONT WASTE OUR TIME AND THIS KID'S CAREER-DO NOT WANT
J'Mar isn't Dak. He'd be more like Mariotta than anyone we've ever had.
incredible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Sign me up for that. I'd take it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
Hack- you were still trying to tell us 3/4 of the way thru last season Russell was a better QB than DakotaQuote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
Minshew is a career back-up at State and doesn't fit what we do
What we do now might not what we're doing in two years. Mullen and his offense may not be here by then. If he can walk on, then hell yeah, we're prepared.
Minshew is not walking on at State- he is going to go to the SunBelt or somewhere and lead Rice to a bowl game
Don't be so sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
His heart is 100% Dawg. His grades put him at school for free wherever he wants to go in the SEC sans Vanderbilt.
We've got a legit shot to get him even without a scholarship offer -- as long as he's guaranteed a fair chance and a scholly if/when he earns it.
WYD -- please spare me on the "not walking on anywhere" line. I have pretty good insight on him. Better personal insight than any other recruit in the last couple of classes.
I don't think so. Just because you are a dual threat QB doesn't mean you aren't a good passer or decision maker. Look at Dak. Sure, he has had to learn and make progress- but when he came out of high school he wasn't that bad at passing at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Vince Young and Tim Tebow were Elite 11 QB's coming out of high school- among others.
IMO the difference between the Elite 11 QB's in a lot of cases is they get a lot of private training whereas a guy like Dak or the QB's we normally get don't have that training and Dan has to kind of "catch them up". The exception being a guy like Jameis Winston who is a complete freak of a talent. But once Dan gets a guy like Dak caught up, he's every bit as good as just about anyone else in the SEC.
So you are of the opinion that Russell was more mobile in the pocket and more capable in the running game than Minshew is? Based on the video I have seen of Minshew, I would have to disagree. And for the record, I am not saying that he fits Mullen's offense as well as J'Mar Smith does......I am just saying that he appears far more capable of running it than Russell was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
No..Quote:
Originally Posted by sandwolf
I'm saying that Russell rushed for over 300 yards his Sr year. The stats I saw on Minshew said he barely rushed for 100 this past year.
A QB that only runs for 100 yards in one season of HS doesnt belong in our offense
Fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Brett Favre averaged 4 passes a game his senior year. Stats don't tell the whole story, evident in us giving Fitz a scholly this year.
Not advocating giving the guy a scholarship or allowing him to compete as a full ride academic walk-on. Just throwing that out there. I do put a lot of weight on a guy who's a 3 year starter in 6A who's picked up a lot of achievements on the way wanting to be at MSU more than any other school if he had the choice though...
Fitz getting a scholly shows you the importance of our QB's running the football.Quote:
Originally Posted by esplanade91
Chris Relf was our leading rusher in 2010
Perkins had 3 more carries in 2013 than Prescott.
All I will say to this is you'd better get on your phone with your distant family because whoever is telling you this isn't as close as you think. There is ZERO chance of what you are saying will happen. I am no inside guy by any means, but there is a better chance of Rick Ray winning a national title next season than Gardner Minshew walking on at MSU. And I have never had insight to any recruit, but trust me on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Dak wasn't ready at the beginning of the season despite the fact that he took over late. He missed spring. Had never started. His first start he lost because we couldn't convert a 3rd down in 25 minutes. He wasn't ready.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Minshew may be a backup until he's a Sr at state with Staley in front of him, but to say he can't run the ball is ignorant. it's like suggesting Bret Favre couldn't throw the ball because he ran the wing-T in high school.
K.Quote:
Originally Posted by whosyourdawgy
Wow. A one-letter response from Engie? Conceding without a fight? What has this world come to?Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Engie, are you alright? You must be sick this morning. :(
"Conceding?" No.Quote:
Originally Posted by MSUDawg4Life
I'm just not trying to argue with "know it alls" on a fluid recruiting situation 11 months before signing day. We will see. I never made a declarative statement in the first place -- I pointed to something that is a VERY DISTINCT possibility if he doesn't get other BCS offers. I always find it funny when people think they know what a kid is really thinking more than his blood relatives, probably because of stuff said by he/his parents in public settings -- which might as well be a press release saying "everyone that is interested, please recruit Gardner"...
I don't know it all about anything or anyone. I don't know it all about Gardner Minshew. But I do know why he went to Birmingham instead of Hattiesburg. I do know what his dad said about your walk on comment. K. It ain't happening. And I am not going to argue with you either. I want what is best for Minshew. I would love to have him at MSU and would love to see him be a great qb for us in about 3 years after Dak is gone. But he is not a read option qb and will not be running the ball except on very few occasions or when the pass is not there and he runs. So that means he is not a fit for Dan's system right now. Whether Dan would do anything to change his approach for a qb like Gardner is the question, and the answer is probably not. So, unless there is something that Dan and Johnson see over this next high school football season that they will change for him, Minshew will probably not be wearing maroon. I hate it because qb's with his potential don't come up in MS very often.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Oh, and I typically love your insight and analysis on recruiting about things I have no knowledge of. But your insight on this one is just not correct. You are actually one of the main posters that I will stop and read what's said. Love what you do on the Rant and typically agree with you way more than I disagree. Just as a fyi
Like I said. K. I'm not trying to argue with you about it -- I simply know more about this than what his dad is saying in public -- and the fact that you keep taking the same position about it is perplexing to say the least. No one with a lick of sense that is trying to get recruited or has ever played the recruiting game are going to even CONSIDER PUBLICLY the possibility of walking on somewhere -- especially not a year in advance. That lowers their likelihood of actually being given a scholarship, even when they are good enough. "Why pay for something you can get for free"? That's not how the recruiting game works. That doesn't mean something entirely different isn't being discussed behind closed doors(because it is).Quote:
Originally Posted by whosyourdawgy
Fact - Minshew is a lifelong Bulldog fan -- from a multi-generational lifelong bulldog family that comes to countless football games every year of ours. We are his dream school.
Fact - Brandon is an MSU feeder school. Always basically has been. Rankin County overall is an MSU stronghold.
Fact - At least 2 former teammates of Minshew's are going to be Dawgs.
Fact - MSU "costs" him the same amount of money out of pocket as a walk-on or scholarship player. No difference. And he has a chance to earn a football scholarship like Beckwith, Cherry, etc have done. We've got a long history of awarding deserving walk-ons scholarships.
So, knowing all this, are you taking an athletic scholarship to play at podunk U in front of 20,000 with NO ONE that you previously knew or were associated with -- or are you chasing your dream to play in front of 60k plus at your dream school?
When you've got the academics to cover the money side of things -- these decisions aren't NEARLY as black and white as they are in other circumstances. The term "football scholarship" becomes trivial and meaningless.
Speaking of Tyler, is he planning on working out for any teams in hopes of getting a free agent shot? Is he healthy enough to give it a shot? Would love to see the kid have an opportunity. Still think he could have developed into an incredible college QB in the right system...Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
I didn't know you could have too many private messages so you couldn't receive one. Engie, clean some out so I can send you one.
Agreed. Watch the video. Stats can be misleading sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
Ya'll do know that Brett played HS ball in the 1980's when it was rare any HS program threw more than 10 passes in a game in Mississippi right? That's not a real good example. Shit, Troy Aikman went to Oklahoma to run the Wishbone because he could run a little bit in HS- major college football is a different level. If you arent good enough to be used as a runner on the HS level- because that is a huge weapon in HS- you wont be a runner in the SEC.
Ya'll sound like everybody that told me Russell was a serviceable runner in HS and how he ran for 1st downs vs South Panola.
Russell was a serviceable runner in high school. he won the 5A state championship in over time with a TD run. Seems "servicable" to me. But, just like Minshew, what you do in high school doesn't always translate to what you'll be in college.
Suggesting that he can't run is no different than Favre or Aikman (thanks for that one too. good example). It's no different than Jimmy Graham or Antonio Gates. It's simply a question of athleticism. When he's throwing for 25 TDs and 5 INTs, completing 60% of his passes, and averaging 9 yards per attempt... you throw the ball more.
Also, his run to pass ratio is about 10 to 1 his Jr year. Taysom Hill, of BYU fame, has a 9 to 1 ratio. And comparing sophomore seasons between the two, Minshew had 1 more carry than Hill. Guess Hill can't run either...