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Originally Posted by Coach34
Of course he will get four years. That will be the first year he's had ANY expectations, so how do you fire someone that you havne't had any expectations for up to that point?
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Originally Posted by Coach34
Of course he will get four years. That will be the first year he's had ANY expectations, so how do you fire someone that you havne't had any expectations for up to that point?
I'm bookmarking this thread and this quote Coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Hmmm JohnRick Ray is guaranteeing a full roster. 1) I'll believe it when it's that way for game 1 tip. 2) now do y'all see why I've been bringing this up so much? The message got delivered. No more skeleton rosters. 13 means 13.
1. a full roster does not necessarily mean 13 players on scholly - you don't even know where the forest is located because you are too busy staring at a small piece of bark on the first tree; 2. I can assure you that Rick Ray did not say this because you were on message boards shouting the number 13 as if the world is about to end. 3. Halfway through typing this I have realized that you won't understand anything I am typingQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Ray absolutely has to take blame for Daniels not being fully qualified this season. How can that not be the responsibility of the coaching staff to keep an eye on a kid who may or may not qualify? Especially when you are in desperate need of players of any shape form or size? If it's true that Daniels only needed the one class to pass to be eligible, then it shouldn't have been very hard to check the progress of that one class. But year 2 of a coach on a devastated team that needs players in the worst way and he has 3 recruits for that class and only ONE of them actually can put on a uniform to start the season is absolutely terrible. Now booting Wendell and Zdeck for smoking the weed is to be commended and not allowing Jalen to redshirt was most definitely the correct move. And while Daniels not being eligible is a big check mark on the terrible side, Ray would've only compounded that mistake by playing him this season.
Let's just hope and pray none of the current players other than Davis leaves the team, and all the signees actually make their grades and get on campus and can play next season. I also hope Ray can find a decent player to fill the 13th scholly. Whether it's another big or a shooter. We do not need another 6 foot guard period!
Yeah count me out. Just like if we signed a bunch of women to play football. I won't be there for the bloodbath on Saturdays. I will be here, however, to point out the ignorance of others who damage MSU through their exercise of free speech in running off all the positive things about the university.
I love the way people count the games we barely lost as an automatic win if we had a few more bodies (at Vandy, Arkansas) but they don't remember beating Texas A&M in OT or Ole Miss getting a shot at the buzzer to tie it. We easily could have gone 1-17 in SEC play rather than 6-12Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Why is Ray "guaranteeing" he'll have a full roster if that concern hadn't been delivered to him somehow? Keep trying to be cool though bud.Quote:
Originally Posted by NewTweederEndzoneDance
He says that because he has coached 2 seasons now with less than a full deck. Everyone knows that you need a full deck to be able to compete - just look at Vandy this year. Ray isn't mentioning it because people on message boards think its a big deal. He's mentioning it because he knows he cannot win with 8 total players. It's really simple actually. To be clear, no one disagrees that we need a full compliment of players - it's your hangup on the number 13 that is making a mountain out of a molehill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
If I had above a 0% confidence level that we won't have multiple transfers/suspensions/injuries/non-qualifiers then I wouldn't be stressing the full 13 so much. Ray hasn't put a full roster together yet. After two seasons he still doesn't have one. We'll see if he can manage to get 13 by game 1 14-15. I'm saying there ain't no way he gets it done. That's how bad Rick Ray is. He can not even complete a full roster when getting called out 10 months before the deadline is due. 10 ****ing months and just watch he still won't accomplish the most simplest of tasks. Completing a full roster.
You have officially entered into 'senile' territory. You have completely lost your mind over this entire discussion and are now at least as bad as any poster on this site.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Congrats.
Do you seriously think you, personally, through a message board, are influencing our athletic programs? Many of your posts seem to indicate just that, I'm just having an extremely tough time wrapping my head around that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
vandy is still .500 overall and 7-11 in the sec. with a SoS 130 spots better than ours. if we were performing on about vandy's level in the W-L columns, both in and out of conference, most of us would see some progress and somewhat optimistic about next year. however, we aren't even on close to vandy's level right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by NewTweederEndzoneDance
it's like when yall point out tenn, lsu, arky, bama, etc. not winning with all their stars. guess what? except bama, they are all still a hell of a lot better than we are in the W-L columns against stronger schedules. and bama played the #2 SoS in the country and is about to fire their coach for not winning more.
it's like if they aren't florida or duke or arizona, then they are just as shitty as we are.
Vandy is a perennial tournament-caliber team that struggled this year due to a lot of injuries. They are still coached by a good coach that has been there for years building that program, and are not in rebuilding mode. I didn't bring them up to compare our programs, I brought them up as part of the point that no one wins with 7-8 total players.
Yes, he actually does. Pretty sad, huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by thf24
The disappointing thing is smoot it took you this long to figure it out!!! Just fill the roster he says. Smh!Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Ray has enough problems of his own. However if he's listening to him, fire him immediately!Quote:
Originally Posted by C222
significant improvement he won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
At ~ 19% SEC win percentage, two consecutive seasons with 'MSU record setting' 13 game SEC loss streaks and ... regression from a 4 win SEC season in year one to a 3 win SEC season in year two, he HAS to have a way better year three.
The last State BB coach that ONLY got three years was Hatfield and his SEC win percentage ( ~ 38%) was TWICE Ray's
"IF" Daniels had played second semester this year, we would have some idea 'if' he was going to buckle down under Ray, he would have had a SEC season to improve while actually playing; more than likely, our record would 'probably' be better and the entire MSU fanbase 'may' have some idea that Ray 'can' coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by NewTweederEndzoneDance
Instead, Ray record has digressed, we know 'squat' about Daniels and Daniels my end up being at State longer than Ray.
So, we'll go ahead and throw your hat in the "sell your soul for a few more wins in year 2 of a rebuild that still doesn't get us even close to the postseason" crowd then...Quote:
Originally Posted by BiscuitEater
but they are still a significantly better team than us by overall record, by conference record, and even moreso when you consider SoS. yeah, sure no one "wins" (and by wins i'm assuming you mean wins big, at least NCAA bubble level season) with 7 or 8 active players, sure i'll grant you that. BUT NO ONE THAT'S BEEN SKEPTICAL OF RAY'S JOB THUS FAR ACTUALLY EXPECTED US TO COMPETE FOR THE NCAA THIS YEAR. so that's a moot point. most of us questioning ray thought we should be around vandy's level in the W and L columns this year to show us that things are heading in the right direction (~.500 overall record, 7 conference Ws), but despite a much much weaker schedule, we are significantly off vandy's pace.Quote:
Originally Posted by NewTweederEndzoneDance
That type of stupidity is amazing. People that think Daniels should have played this year probably have trouble figuring out how to get out of a room if the door closedQuote:
Originally Posted by engie
I guess Vandy didn't get the Memo that your only supposed to win 3 conference games with 8 scholarship playersQuote:
Originally Posted by NewTweederEndzoneDance
Borchet is gone, how do we know Daniel will be as good as Borchert? Borchert had better JUCO credentials. He was probably our best three point shooter. We suxed big time with Borchert why will it be different with Daniel? The only place where Ray can improve our team will be at the guard position and just who has he signed to make us better at the guard position. The big 6'11" guy might can help Ware out, I hope so. Houston and Black will furnish some depth. Houston might be Rays best recruit. Dunlap is small but he can shoot, Let's hope Ray can figure out how to get him some shoots. Fred and the Chicken will continue to be our best players and they are flawed offensively. With a full roster maybe we will be a pressure defensive team that covers up our pitiful offense.
fwiw, not ever ray skeptic thinks we should have played daniels half a season. that would be very short sighted and likely not made much difference in the final outcome of the season. especially since we don't even know if daniels is a difference maker at all. so let's not group all ray skeptics into the some short-sighted reactionary group, just like it's unfair to group all of us into the the "hope rick ray fails" group and the stans lovers group.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Tookie is probably his best so far. Hope he sticks with us.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
I wasn't trying to "group" everyone in with my statement at all. There are logical, completely fair points of view that are skeptical right now. Yours is one of those views IMO. Hence how I'm still seeing and responding to your posts right now, unlike many in this thread -- that have made my reading experience at Elite infinitely more enjoyable since I hid them.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgs
Not defensively. I think we could bring someone in handicapped to play D as well as Borchert. Playing basketball is not just about shooting itQuote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
You guys are acting like Daniels is Malik Newman. It's usually the best idea to actually use the players you had originally planned for. We are probably not the worst power6 conference in the nation if Ray manages to convince Steele to play, Lewis to stop smoking weed, Daniels to pass algebra, Applewhite to not quit and doesn't tie up a scholarship in Ndoye this year. That's 5 players. An entire lineup able to play at once. More than a third of his roster. To give Ray a total pass on this is ridiculous.
No, we are pointing out that Daniels is better than Borchert. We are pointing out that having him for the next 2 years is way more valuable to the program than wasting him in a meaningless year. We are building the program for the long haul- not some quick fix. We now have out starting frontcourt for the next 2 years set.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
I'm glad Daniels is better than Borchert. No more saving scholarships and players till next year planning though. That's been done for two years now. 3rd year have the roster full of ELIGIBLE players and quit saving the last scholarship. Somebody needs to hand out some "love" to an eligible transfer or three too. Tennessee added the PG from Memphis this year and GTech added their starting PG as well. Players are out there. 400 of them transfer every single year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Now how do you know he is better than Borchert? That is just some more of your spin and looking into the crystal ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
So far your predictions have been a big fail. What have you predicted that has actually proven to be true? Daniel might be better than Borchert but we will have to wait and see.
In this post, you advocate (like you have previously) for a full roster next year (and rightfully so). Yet, you want us to grab a transfer (also a good idea), who by definition, would have to sit out a year. So which is it? You can't have 13 eligible players and a scholarship devoted to a non-eligible transfer player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
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Originally Posted by Coach34
You are correct, we don't need to score just play defense. Oh wait, we tried that and lost 14 in a row. Those games we score 45 points in, you better have some badass defense. So far RR 's team can't play either offense or defense. I guess if we could play one or the other , shit that would be an improvement .
Yes, and apparently our team likes to demonstrate this concept to us in most every game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Both transfer players I referenced were eligible immediately this year. So that's the type of transfer I'm talking about. Not the ones that have to sit out a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brad Stevens
I've had 2 people that know basketball tell me he was. One thinks he's better than WareQuote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
Trae Golden sucks. The fact you think that would be a good transfer for us just further confirms my thoughts about your basketball knowledge. It is amazing the amount of crap you've thrown against the wall in this whole thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
He's better than any PG we are putting on the floor. It'd take Bloodman eight years to get as many wins as Golden has.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Went to the Callaway game tonight. First, Laurel gave them all that they had. Great game - Callaway won in OT w/o MN scoring a point. Rick Ray was at the game. Seems to be a sharp guy - wearing his MSU maroon shirt and matching maroon shoes. What bothered me is he stood by himself most of the game. People must not know him, as nobody really approached him to talk. He sat with Coach Williams and talked to him most of the game. Here is what I heard from some good sources (one of them a well-known coach). 1) A State asst coach told one guy that Daniels may be our best player right now. 2) The kid from Montgomery is the real deal - can play SEC ball. 3) Dunlap and Black are not SEC players. Dunlap is too small and cannot play the point, and Black cannot score. Neither had good senior years according to this coach. Jackson State will sign 2 guards that are better than Dunlap. And, when JSU played us this year, they were equal to us at every position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34