Applewhite to Transfer

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

You already have to sit out a year unless you move to a lower division. If somebody wants to transfer at that price, they should be able to.

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I know, I'm not saying they should institute rules to specifically curtail transferring. I'm saying the whole system needs to change because this is what it's breeding. It's breeding a bunch of kids who want to be superstars and apparently lack much self-awareness or desire to be part of a team.

And I'm not aiming any of this at Applewhite specifically; again, I don't know much about that situation. But this has triggered the discussion of the transferring problem all over college basketball. AAU isn't really teaching good basketball fundamentals, the NBA has been teaching kids for years that basketball is all about being 'the man' and dominating the ball so you can be like Michael Jordan, and boosters/AAU coaches are destroying what is left of college basketball.

More and more will come out on Rick Ray and you will shake your head. He was fired from Purdue as he couldn't recruit. He was not the top assistant at Clemson and rumors of his leaving there due to recruiting were beginning to come to light as well. He has done nothing at MSU to make me think he is any different here. What he has done is get rid of Stans players and replaced them with guys who can't shot, rebound or hit free throws. When all is said and done, you are going to have to take a long look at Stricklins decisionmaking. You are not going to like what you see.

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Originally Posted by bobcat91

More and more will come out on Rick Ray and you will shake your head. He was fired from Purdue as he couldn't recruit. He was not the top assistant at Clemson and rumors of his leaving there due to recruiting were beginning to come to light as well. He has done nothing at MSU to make me think he is any different here. What he has done is get rid of Stans players and replaced them with guys who can't shot, rebound or hit free throws. When all is said and done, you are going to have to take a long look at Stricklins decisionmaking. You are not going to like what you see.

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Speaking of "decision-making" from Stricklin, it always bothered me that we signed Ray to 1 million a year. Don't tell me he wouldn't have taken the job for 750K/per year, 500K/year? Is our athletic budget so big we can throw away 250K/year. Hell, that would have more than covered all those annoying ads on the Moo-Tube.

I thought applewhite had been starting recently. I don't buy the more playing time on this team. EVERYBODY gets to play because the have to.

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Originally Posted by sbcmortgageman

I thought applewhite had been starting recently. I don't buy the more playing time on this team. EVERYBODY gets to play because the have to.

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He has been...I don't get his excuse.

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Originally Posted by TheRef

He has been...I don't get his excuse.

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Hate to say it, but I'm going with too many Moultrie knee problems. Surprised no ones mentioned that.

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Originally Posted by bobcat91

More and more will come out on Rick Ray and you will shake your head. He was fired from Purdue as he couldn't recruit. He was not the top assistant at Clemson and rumors of his leaving there due to recruiting were beginning to come to light as well. He has done nothing at MSU to make me think he is any different here. What he has done is get rid of Stans players and replaced them with guys who can't shot, rebound or hit free throws. When all is said and done, you are going to have to take a long look at Stricklins decisionmaking. You are not going to like what you see.

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sadly you are correct. I can't figure out how the same man who hired coach vic and coach vann is the same guy who hired ray. Ray had no business even being in the discussion. I have been very quite about Rick Ray for the most part and Im not here to run him down but Im telling you guys his hiring will end up being one of the biggest hiring flop in msu history in any sport.

So ray's back to a bust bc applewhite's transferring out...

I'll hold judgement till I see how we finish and who we fill applewhite's spot with.

Ray never stopped being a bust and I don't think he ever will. I hope Im wrong but just don't think I am.

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

sadly you are correct. I can't figure out how the same man who hired coach vic and coach vann is the same guy who hired ray. Ray had no business even being in the discussion. I have been very quite about Rick Ray for the most part and Im not here to run him down but Im telling you guys his hiring will end up being one of the biggest hiring flop in msu history in any sport.

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wow. just wow. I'm really trying to figure out how it is possible to reply to any of your posts in this thread without calling you a ****ing idiot. and not just your posts, but those posted by some of the others as well. so i'm just going to go with "wow", shake my head and chalk it up to general message board ****tard-ery.

I really don't know much of anything about Ray's coaching achievements, or lack thereof, prior to his arrival at MSU, but it is kind of odd that 99% of the posts about him after the 9-3 start was that things seem to be progressing well and the team is playing hard and looking better this year. Now, with the announcement of Applewhite transferring, we've got multiple posters coming out with info they've been holding back on that trashes Ray as a coach and basically tells us all we will rue the day Stricklin hired him. I really don't know what to believe but its just strange how the posting tide has turned on Ray seemingly just due to a backup player announcing a transfer.

A kid doesn't just transfer out during the season so something else is def up. and secomd of all if he excuse was to be more involved in the offense.. I am sure he would have been if he was actually a scorer. With the problems we have putting the ball in the basket im sure if he was a scorer he would have gotten the touches to score.
With that said I liked the way he played. reminded me a Brandon Vincent type player. Bang around a little , do some dirty work on the boards, and play defense and get ya 8 pts a game.
If he wants to be a SCORER he better go like coach34 said to juco. And Im not sure he would avg 15-20 a game there either.

This does mean one thing De'Runnya gets much more PT and quickly..
Fingers crossed for no bad injury karma with him. It seems to follow our basketball program right now..

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

I really don't know much of anything about Ray's coaching achievements, or lack thereof, prior to his arrival at MSU, but it is kind of odd that 99% of the posts about him after the 9-3 start was that things seem to be progressing well and the team is playing hard and looking better this year. Now, with the announcement of Applewhite transferring, we've got multiple posters coming out with info they've been holding back on that trashes Ray as a coach and basically tells us all we will rue the day Stricklin hired him. I really don't know what to believe but its just strange how the posting tide has turned on Ray seemingly just due to a backup player announcing a transfer.

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its the same yahoos with hurt feelings, agendas, or whatever you want to call it. every single time we so much as turn the ball over during a game they come out of the wood work. we get it. they still want Stans, or they wanted Kenny Payne, or they just suck at life. regardless, they actually take joy in bad things happening to what is supposed to be their school just so they can "be right". its sickening.

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Originally Posted by NewTweederEndzoneDance

its the same yahoos with hurt feelings, agendas, or whatever you want to call it. every single time we so much as turn the ball over during a game they come out of the wood work. we get it. they still want Stans, or they wanted Kenny Payne, or they just suck at life. regardless, they actually take joy in bad things happening to what is supposed to be their school just so they can "be right". its sickening.

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well hey there Rick, nice to see ya. Ya missing Clemson yet?

I was a Stan's guy and I am pulling for Ray like everyone else should. It is hard though to see any progress in the middle of year 2 and it will be a miracle if he can turn it in year 3 like Cohen did

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Originally Posted by HailState39110

I was a Stan's guy and I am pulling for Ray like everyone else should. It is hard though to see any progress in the middle of year 2 and it will be a miracle if he can turn it in year 3 like Cohen did

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We aren't world beaters. There is no denying that. And if he can't get it done in the next few years, then we will move on like we should. But to say there has been no improvement since last season at this point is just assinine. Last season we were losing these games to terrible opponents. Last year we went 10-22. We are 9-3 right now. How exactly do you define progress?

I'm not looking at our current record after beating a few SWAC schools.Im looking at our current roster and the guys we are bringing in next year. Nothing Ray is doing makes me believe we will ever be able to compete for conference championships or make the NCAA tournament. All he has done is kick players off the team and has replaced them with players who are not as good . This is how I am defining his progress

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Originally Posted by HailState39110

I'm not looking at our current record after beating a few SWAC schools.Im looking at our current roster and the guys we are bringing in next year. Nothing Ray is doing makes me believe we will ever be able to compete for conference championships or make the NCAA tournament. All he has done is kick players off the team and has replaced them with players who are not as good . This is how I am defining his progress

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Ah, so you are defining "progress" by your own subjective feelings of the job he is doing and your own evaluation of players, most of which you have never even seen play, much less have any idea how they will be as players next year or thereafter. With such impeccable reasoning, I don't know how I ever supported our coach in the first place!!!!1!!**

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Originally Posted by HailState39110

I was a Stan's guy and I am pulling for Ray like everyone else should. It is hard though to see any progress in the middle of year 2 and it will be a miracle if he can turn it in year 3 like Cohen did

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Was Cohen's turnaround, then, also a "miracle"?

It's stupid to try to define a coach that inherited the shitstorm that Ray did before he's had time to get it going(year 3 we start judging). Just like we had an ample amount of idiots screaming from the rooftops that Cohen was a huge f'n mistake for the better part 3 full years. Even had some playing that card into year 4.

Prognosticating right now, based on basically nothing other than player turnover when instilling a culture change, is dumb. It's basically exactly what people did with Cohen. And everyone can say "well that was different" with hindsight -- but I can show you HUNDREDS of threads and posts that say things were exactly the same.

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Originally Posted by NewTweederEndzoneDance

Ah, so you are defining "progress" by your own subjective feelings of the job he is doing and your own evaluation of players, most of which you have never even seen play, much less have any idea how they will be as players next year or thereafter. With such impeccable reasoning, I don't know how I ever supported our coach in the first place!!!!1!!**

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The only improvement is the schedule. I think last year's team might have been better b/c of Steele. Last year's team went 5-7 in the non-conference. This year's team would have gone 6-6 with the same schedule b/c I will give them the win over Alabama A&M.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

The only improvement is the schedule. I think last year's team might have been better b/c of Steele. Last year's team went 5-7 in the non-conference. This year's team would have gone 6-6 with the same schedule b/c I will give them the win over Alabama A&M.

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This is the dumbest shit I've read in awhile. Well, besides every other basketball post that a handful of you make. This team beats Troy and Loyola. So, we're at 8-4 with last year's nonconference schedule.

Given your brilliant prognostication ability to see this clear lack of progression -- please tell me you are willing to bet on us winning 4 or fewer in the SEC again?

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Originally Posted by engie

This is the dumbest shit I've read in awhile. Well, besides every other basketball post that a handful of you make. This team beats Troy and Loyola. So, we're at 8-4 with last year's nonconference schedule.

Given your brilliant prognostication ability to see this clear lack of progression -- please tell me you are willing to bet on us winning 4 or fewer in the SEC again?

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I'll take 5 or under for 1K.

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Originally Posted by engie

This is the dumbest shit I've read in awhile. Well, besides every other basketball post that a handful of you make. This team beats Troy and Loyola. So, we're at 8-4 with last year's nonconference schedule.

Given your brilliant prognostication ability to see this clear lack of progression -- please tell me you are willing to bet on us winning 4 or fewer in the SEC again?

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Speaking of dumb, we beat Loyola by 1 point, at home, in OT yet you've got us beating them on the road? LOL Also a team that beats JSU by 2 and SELA by 4 isn't a lock over anyone especially at Troy in Troy's first game in the new arena.

I would of preferred it be a different player than Dre. because I like his physical upside and toughness for a freshman but I do want to see more minutes for Tevin Moore and hopefully Bear Wilson and this frees up 15-20 minutes a game for them. I've been saying Ray needs to upgrade 4 players on the roster. Applewhite wasn't one of the four I would of chosen but it sounds like Dre chose it for Ray. Applewhite can be replaced fairly easily and if it's Devonta Pollard we get now than this ends up being a big upgrade in talent.

Can Hud coach Basketball?

By the way, I've been done with college basketball an basketball in general for a few years. I just don't like the culture of the sport.

This will probably be the last post I ever make on this sport.

It's pointless to argue about this right now. Lets continue this conversation at the end of February

So now we are saying this is a great improvement because we are winning more with agutted schedule. Great analysis. Our RPI is right at 150 and SOS is near 300. But let's be thankful that we were in a game with folks like Prairie View with 3 minutes left. Let's be glad that of the 4 recruits we had last year only one is playing. Oh wow we are 9-3. And have to offer free tickets and pizza to get people to come. Oh Hail Rick Ray.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Speaking of dumb, we beat Loyola by 1 point, at home, in OT yet you've got us beating them on the road? LOL Also a team that beats JSU by 2 and SELA by 4 isn't a lock over anyone especially at Troy in Troy's first game in the new arena.

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All without our starting point guard and the key to our offense. But don't let facts get in the way of your agenda...

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Originally Posted by bobcat91

So now we are saying this is a great improvement because we are winning more with agutted schedule. Great analysis. Our RPI is right at 150 and SOS is near 300. But let's be thankful that we were in a game with folks like Prairie View with 3 minutes left. Let's be glad that of the 4 recruits we had last year only one is playing. Oh wow we are 9-3. And have to offer free tickets and pizza to get people to come. Oh Hail Rick Ray.

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By your genius analysis of our improvement -- we should be an NIT lock in year 3.

Oh -- I forgot -- good coaches win in year 1 in basketball!!1!1 Turning around dumpster fires is easy!!1!1

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Originally Posted by engie

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By your genius analysis of our improvement -- we should be an NIT lock in year 3.

Oh -- I forgot -- good coaches win in year 1 in basketball!!1!1 Turning around dumpster fires is easy!!1!1

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So we are heading to the sweet 16 in year 4? Awesome, can't wait.
Is Ray recruiting as well as Crean did? Awesome, I didn't realize that.
Does Ray have Crean's resume? Nice, I thought he was the bench coach for a Clemson team that missed the NCAAT.

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Originally Posted by engie

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By your genius analysis of our improvement -- we should be an NIT lock in year 3.

Oh -- I forgot -- good coaches win in year 1 in basketball!!1!1 Turning around dumpster fires is easy!!1!1

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Warren nolen says different. Some will take another year to realize what a shitty coach and guy Ray is. Oh well continue being an idiot.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

I'll take 5 or under for 1K.

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You said we aren't improved. Why are you wanting a game?

This is funny. I've made these bets several times and never seen a dollar -- hence why I no longer make them. But you are a ****ing moron if you think we win 4 or fewer in the SEC. Why do you need a game -- if you are so sure we aren't any better than last year?

This team is going to go 7-11 or 8-10 in the SEC. Bookmark it and let me know when I'm wrong

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

So we are heading to the sweet 16 in year 4? Awesome, can't wait.

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Nice straw man bullshit.

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Is Ray recruiting as well as Crean did? Awesome, I didn't realize that.

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Crean missed the top 25 with 2 of his first 3 classes.

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Does Ray have Crean's resume? Nice, I thought he was the bench coach for a Clemson team that missed the NCAAT.

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Which has what to do with anything? Resume doesn't mean SHIT. Results do -- and it is what it is at this point.

Are you ****ing stupid enough to imply that it is easier to win at MSU than Indiana? Why, then, did it take Crean 4 years to get it going at a national powerhouse program? I mean -- it should be a 5 minute rebuild, right? Why didn't he have them in the tournament in year 2?

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Originally Posted by bobcat91

Warren nolen says different. Some will take another year to realize what a shitty coach and guy Ray is. Oh well continue being an idiot.

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we have absolutely the worst fans in college sports. i know all schools have their share of complete clowns, but it's really not even close. look no further than this ****tard for proof.

and no, i'm not sorry in the least for using insulting language. this topic has been hashed and rehashed time and again. some people really do want us to fail in men's basketball because they are so butthurt about the coaching change, whether its the fire or the hire. at this point it is really just infuriating.

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Originally Posted by engie

Nice straw man bullshit.


Crean missed the top 25 with 2 of his first 3 classes.


Are you ****ing stupid enough to imply that it is easier to win at MSU than Indiana? Why, then, did it take Crean 4 years to get it going at a national powerhouse program? I mean -- it should be a 5 minute rebuild, right? Why didn't he have them in the tournament in year 2?

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I keep forgetting I'm talking to someone who rode the short bus to school. Indiana was on probation for Crean's first 3 years with recruiting sanctions to deal with. He inherited a team with ONE returning scholarship player. They were dealing with death penalty worries and Sampson got nailed. They had 7 players transfer.

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Originally Posted by bobcat91

Warren nolen says different. Some will take another year to realize what a shitty coach and guy Ray is. Oh well continue being an idiot.

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No, it doesn't. I love when morons spout off baseless bullshit while telling OTHERS to "continue being idiots." You can tell me about your eye test all you want -- but don't try to back it with bullshit made-up numbers -- because when you do that, I have to destroy you.

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Wanna try again "idiot"?

With the same amount of RPI improvement next year that we've seen thusfar this year = borderline NCAA Tourney Team = RIGHT ON SCHEDULE.


We "peaked" at #224 in RPI last year.
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We've gone up between 80 and 100 spots this year.
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Originally Posted by NewTweederEndzoneDance

we have absolutely the worst fans in college sports. i know all schools have their share of complete clowns, but it's really not even close. look no further than this ****tard for proof.

and no, i'm not sorry in the least for using insulting language. this topic has been hashed and rehashed time and again. some people really do want us to fail in men's basketball because they are so butthurt about the coaching change, whether its the fire or the hire. at this point it is really just infuriating.

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Exactly.

The bad thing is -- these ****ers are trying to paint me into a "Ray lover" corner -- when my ONLY point is that it's ****ing stupid to try to draw much from these two years. But they are literally too stupid to see the err of the ignorance of their position.

If I would've known that this would've turned into a pissing match I wouldn't have posted this thread. But since this has turned into a damn pissing match, I'm about sick and tired of y'all. As many of you know, I watch the basketball games religiously and listen to it on the radio when I can't watch. I've noticed an improvement with this team from last season. Are they still frustrating as hell to watch at times? You're damn right. Does this mean that we are as bad as last year? Hell no. Did any of us realistically think that we would make any sort of tournament this year? I can guarantee you that NO ONE thought we would make a tournament and no one has predicted so yet this year. So what's the point of this pissing match? To see who can influence the administration to keep/fire RR? Well I can tell you that none of y'all will be able to determine that. And yes, they are doing gimmicks to put asses in seats. But they did the same exact thing during Stansbury's last year to put butts in seats due to the piss-poor performance of the team down the stretch. I've been with the team through the highs, and you bet your ass I was one of the few students who stayed during every single slaughter that we were at the hands of during the bad years. Why? Because I bleed MSU and I will always support the basketball team. I can bet that most of you can't say that. I can be that most of you would have walked out at halftime during a slaughter, and don't say you wouldn't because I know how you people are. You talk like you're the greatest fans in the world and as if you know all there is about basketball. Then you walk out on the team at halftime and YOU'RE the reason why the team is demoralized game in and game out. Fans like you are the reason why I want to punch people in the face. Extreme? Maybe. My true feelings? You're damn right.
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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

I keep forgetting I'm talking to someone who rode the short bus to school. Indiana was on probation for Crean's first 3 years with recruiting sanctions to deal with. He inherited a team with ONE returning scholarship player. They were dealing with death penalty worries and Sampson got nailed. They had 7 players transfer.

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You are literally too stupid to see the similarity in the situations aren't you?

And for those of you wondering if we've hit rock bottom, not even close. I present to you the Champion Baptist College Tigers against the Southern University Jaguars

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