The only thing to me that bothers Kiffin at ole miss , publicly, is the lack of students in the stands. Every year he calls them out.
Depends on at what point does he miss a big stadium, big games, TV attention and the crowds.
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The only thing to me that bothers Kiffin at ole miss , publicly, is the lack of students in the stands. Every year he calls them out.
Depends on at what point does he miss a big stadium, big games, TV attention and the crowds.
Again, you're still looking at this through the prism of it being prior to NIL, conference expansion, and the portal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bdawg
Schedule: There's no more divisions so Florida doesn't avoid the majority of the West and get to beat up on UK and Vandy every year.
Recruiting: Lane doesn't really recruit HS players. He prefers the portal. And he's going to get the same caliber HS player in Gainesville as he will in Oxford. Recruiting as all about money now. Not about fit or program prestige and history. Also, OM gets just as much Jordan stuff for players as Florida does so the Jordan brand stuff doesn't matter. Hell Dart wore Jordan cleats the past 2 years.
Admin: The buck starts and stops with Keith at OM and Boyce stays the hell out of the way. Lane goes to Keith, and Keith approves what Lane wants. At Florida, Stricklin has to ask Foley and Spurrier permission to use the bathroom much less approve anything a coach asks for
Boosters: OM is completely aligned and rowing in the same direction. Florida can't figure out which direction it's rowing. Hell they fired Dan Mullen after 3 straight NY6 bowls and fired McElwain after back to back SECCG appearances. They're just like Auburn.
Look maybe Lane is just hellbent on going to Florida so he can wear that Gator logo on his visor like Spurrier. But to think that Florida is a better job right now is thinking like their boosters. In the words of Dan Mullen when Geoff Collins left, "It's just a lateral move."
So, let's talk about NIL, conference expansion and the portal.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
NIL- Ole Miss was ahead of everyone on this. They're not anymore. Florida can match and exceed what Ole Miss can do there.
Conference expansion- Ole Miss has had easy schedules since 2020. That is going to change soon. Look at their 2027 schedule. It's pretty brutal. Not sure what Florida has coming up but the reality is the odds of hitting on a D2 QB every year are not good and you can attract better players to Florida especially now that the NIL situation is settling down.
Portal- Yes, high school recruiting has been deemphasized but you not to the degree you are talking about. Even Ole Miss is starting some players that they recruited out of high school like Franklin, Perkins, and the DT from Houston. You still have to have that core group of players to build around. Like MSU has KT, Stonka, Jimothy Lewis, Lockhart, and etc. to build around. If Kiffin goes to Florida he is going to have Lagway and Wilson to build around. So, where can you consistently get more elite high school players to build that core around? Mississippi or Florida? And if you are a player in the portal and the money is the same because Florida absolutely can match Ole Miss where would you rather go? Oxford where it's all about Greek culture and Southern lifestyle or Florida where you are no more than a few hours from the beach at all times?
And I feel pretty confident that Florida has way more wealthy boosters as Ole Miss too.
Not really. That core 5 at Ole Miss can match about any program because they are COMPLETELY bought in. Florida does not, and will never, have that type of buy in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Lane seemed to have come close to going to Auburn, or heavily considering that his daughter talked him into staying at ole miss. Florida would be a bigger consideration.
If there are boosters funding that buyout for Billy, then I would be interested to know what NIL commitment they make for the new HC.
They did not back up the commitment they made for Billy. That will ring in the mind of a lot of coaches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santiago
If the LSU job opened up this year and I was advising Kiffin I would tell him to take it.
It took Spurrier and Urban to win championships at Florida but Les and O won one at LSU.
And for the record I think the LSU job opens up this year.
The Florida job comes with extreme stress. It's way too many chiefs there. Lane doesn't like to be controlled or extremely stressed. I'd be shocked if he accepts another job
Yea I see LSU ending 8-4 so it will be interesting to see what they do with Kelly missing the playoffs for 4 straight years.Quote:
Originally Posted by LC Dawg
- A confident QB who can attach defenses with his legsQuote:
Originally Posted by Maverick91
- An offensive line that can pass-block against an SEC D-line
- A defensive line that can take over a game against an SEc offensive line
Some of you guys who aren't living in modern times don't realize the ole miss job is currently better than the current Florida job.
We are improved in some areas this year, but still the "Washington Generals" of the SEC until we start winning SEC games again. Hope we break the current 14 game SEC losing streak Saturday against FL and then a couple more wins this year!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
If Kiffin loses an Egg Bowl or two we'll see just how completely bought in they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
You might want to tell CBS sports about these "modern times".Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
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Ole Dixie say Msu isn't our rival***Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I've said it before, but it's true... no one has a higher opinion of OM than OM and state fansQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
That's the job. If LSU comes open, he's taking it. He wanted it when Ed got it in 17 and was sniffing around when Kelly got it in 21.Quote:
Originally Posted by LC Dawg
They will be just as bought in. As long as Lane Kiffin is on the sidelines in Oxford, their buy in as all in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
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Originally Posted by Todd4State
Au contraire. Most State fans see them as an entitled privileged bunch of douchebagz. That hasn't changed in a hundred years.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I actually have started to not mind the old time Ole Miss fans. It's these new age fans from the north that are just god awful. Like when it was just TX and GA kids that were going it wasn't a big deal because they had been doing it for 50 years. It was a joke and they were in on the joke. They didn't care. Now it's these kids from NJ, NY, PA, etc that have no clue about the rivalry or about SEC Football. They think OM has always been a king of college football and don't realize that they were a middling program 6 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
I really don't pay OM that much attention anymore. I used to really care and get really fired up about just hating everything about them, but I really don't anymore. We have far bigger problems to solve on our end. I worry about those before I worry about OM. I also am not scared of OM. They are not some big bad program just because Kiffin is there. They are the same OM program they always have been. Really good offense, iffy defense, they'll win a couple they shouldn't, and lose a couple they shouldn't.
Their downturn in the cycle is not far away.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Correct. That's the thing. All this is cyclical. My personal guess......their downturn is next year. They put a lot of trust in Simmons being what they needed him to be and he got hurt combined with he wasn't playing well and Chambliss was playing amazing. Chambliss is out of eligibility, Simmons will transfer, and they will need a QB. Now, a lot of people are going to say, "Well every QB is going to be lining up to play for Lane." And while that may be true, Lane has also shown that he's not scared to play the hot hand, no matter how many stars are behind that guy's name and how much he is getting in NIL. That is going to cause a lot of pause to some of these high market value QB's that will enter the portal. They and their representatives are going to want assurances that they will be the starter no matter what.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
also reminds me of a quote Mullen once said or maybe he was quoting Urban. That a college coaching job has to change every so many years just for a fan base to get new energy , and a coach to leave on a respected term.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Correct. I think you just saw that happen at Penn St. It happened here with Mullen in 2016. He knew it and our fans knew. Funny enough it actually happened twice with Mullen, 13 and 16, and both times he won the Egg Bowl and perception completely flipped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santiago