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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
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DavisQuote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Williams
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Scary
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All will be drafted and gone
Agree. Maybe a small chance with Siary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Scary gonna be a lower round guy but he has to go because if he stays he will get nothing but a twix and a capri sun next year in the draft. However- with our infusion of money into the baseball program- maybe we make it worth his time. That's a tough question considering the arm talent we have as SP's right now. We have 4 Dude's fighting for 3 weekend spots next year and that doesnt even include Scary. McPh/Burns/Foster/Val are all weekend guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
I think you write Foster and Val in ink. Burns is going to have to get better command. I expect McPh to make a big jump. 200k seems reasonable for Scary. He would be the best weekday pitcher in the conference + a great weekend insurance policy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Kevin Mannell got invited to the MLB combine last year. So, I wouldn't say that it's a slam dunk that he goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
agree and we arent going to go with 3 LH'ed SP's on the weekend. So either Scary or McPh will throw on the weekend. Burns has top talent- he just needs innings. I just think looking at the situation- Scary takes the money and goes pro. If we double what MLB offers up to 300K- he would be crazy to leave and we would be better for itQuote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
If Siary comes back I would say the odds of him being in the weekend rotation are very high. Along with that, I would say the odds of McPherson being in the bullpen when everything shakes out is high as well. I think he will have a career arc similar to Landon Sims where he becomes our closer.relief ace and then transitions to a starting pitcher his junior year.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Dude-Davis is likely a Top 5 round draft pick. He goneQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
If he makes 200K even he would come out better financially as a senior sign. The thing is his spin on his breaking balls is pretty elite and that's going to be very attractive to a MLB organization. Ben Davis to me is in the same boat as far as being draftable but with an obviously different skill set.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Davis and Williams are guys that are coming back from major arm issues that finally got well. They arent high on draft boards because of that. But they will be drafted and be gone
This class must be weaker than I thought if he is. I think he is 6-10 at best. His K/BB ratio isn't great and he struggled as a starting pitcher against SEC competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
They aren't high because they have a lot of questions and need more development. Williams is a relief only guy and his fastball is pretty straight. They won't be drafted higher than the 5th round unless some team falls in love with them for some reason. There's just a lot of guys in the draft like them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Personally, I would rank them: 1. Siary 2. Davis 3. Williams
I'll be shocked if Scary is drafted in the Top 15 rounds. I dont see Davis or Williams making it out of the Top 10 roundsQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
PSA -Nate Williams is 23 years old, 4 months shy of 24. Also, he was out of action for 2 years.
I wonder if you can be drafted at that age. Just 7 months younger than Stone. And baseball has a prejudice versus big boys with Arm trouble. He seems max effort.
I hope he is drafted, lives the dream.
If this occurs, we should be able to give both more than what
they?ll get being drafted. To me, this is a ?no brainer? for them
to return.
**I?m referring to Coach?s comment at 10:16.
This is where NIL has changed things and roster limits. If he wants to go pro then he absolutely should go. And I wouldn't blame him because of his age.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer
However, he could make more money potentially by coming back to MSU. With how some of our pitchers are looking early this summer plus the players we are adding in the portal it makes me wonder how much he would really pitch?
None are rated in MLB.com's top 200 which puts them outside of the top 5 rounds. I could see Davis and Williams being taken in the top 10. You said top 5 earlier for Davis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Siary has more flexibility because he can start or relieve. He doesn't throw as hard but he has good spin on his breaking balls and MLB values that as much as velocity these days.
Of note- Davis is the only one of the three who put out an announcement that he was coming back and I doubt he would do that if he was dead set on MLB and going pro. He also is an in state guy who playing baseball for MSU is a dream of his. That's not to say that he won't go pro or someone won't draft him or anything like that. Just that there are some other factors at play here.
You are right about NIL a player can make more money at school than a pro signing bonus. There is no slam dunk on a player going pro anymore period!Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I'm going to play Selmon's advocate here. Why would we want to pay a 5th year Senior $200k when we could pay a sophomore $150k for his sophomore year and $250k for his junior year if he is worth it? Just trying to rationalize where we get our best value. And by WE, I mean the program because it would be hard financially for me to buy the kid a Triple Stack at Wendy's!😳Quote:
Originally Posted by 99jc
Our football supporters realize we will never win a Championship in SEC football. It was an amazing thing just to see us go against UT and play well in our only appearance. We actually led in the 4th qtr. against the Vols before Tee Martin torched us. In today's environment, we won't return to Hotlanta, so I think everyone sees a glimmer of hope of winning a Natty in basketball and baseball.
Dang Cap...you are not down to eating catfood are Ya!Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
Yep, football is just in a tough spot. We are way more disadvantaged in the current environment in that sport now than we were pre-NIL era. Of course it would help if we didn't have a staff of coaches learning on the job and our team could actually play well enough to give boosters some hope of improvement. Just no return on investment at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpaceBully
It's just a crap spot to be in. All our NIL was used to get an SEC roster, not fill certain spots like most SEC teams were doing. And so looking at the prospect of having to go back to those people that cut those checks and say, "Hey I know y'all gave us 15 million last year and we only went 4-8 or 5-7 but we need another 15-18 million this year." That's a tough pill to swallow and a tough sell when your rival 90 miles up the road has been regularly competing for CFP appearances and NY6 Bowls since 2021.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
I don't think it's sustainable. They kinda went all in last year and still couldn't make the playoffs. When do the donors get tired of handing out money hand over fist for the same or worse results? Sure, they have some money but not enough to last for an indefinite period of time. You can only go with your hand held out so many times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
They won't. Because they get it. They will give and continue to give as long as Keith Carter is the AD because he gets it. He has made them understand what it takes to win in this new environment. And they start young. They are contacting grads the minute they get their diploma and setting them up to give the minimum amount to their collective because they know that if they get in on the ground floor then it will help them when these grads earnings take off. So they are constantly cycling new blood into their donor ranks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saltydog
We on the other hand, took our NIL lead for 3 years from a guy who first tried to peddle baseballs and when that didn't work said we should just throw our hands up and wait for the NCAA, yes the 17 NCAA, to make it go away. So now we have people, who could be giving a good amount, that are still waiting on the NCAA to fix it and make it go away.
Yea, a lot to ask boosters to give 10s of millions of dollars just for the chance to maybe get to 6 or 7 wins. But now if we had coaches the quality of Kiffin and Golding running our football program there would be a lot more motivation to give just like O'Connor is going to greatly increase the motivation to donate to baseball. Instead we have a HC and DC needing OJT.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I don't think another coach wins more than 4 last year. We were so bad and so talent deficient. It was the direct result of bad recruiting over a 4 year period. Saying that, they gave Lebby a lot of money to work with this past offseason. He needs to win 5-6 for them to be so willing to pony that kind of cash up once again. And by the way, the defense is going to be MUCH better. Rhoads and MacIntyre being in the building has been a huge boost to us.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
Who are Rhoads and ManIntyre?Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Paul Rhoads and Mike MacIntyre. They were hired as defensive analysts in the off season.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
Paul Rhoads is the former HC at Iowa St and has architected some really great defenses over the years.
Mike MacIntyre has been HC at a lot of different stops but was the OM DC in 19 and the Memphis DC in 20-21.
Both have been at a lot of different places and are very well respected in the coaching ranks. They were both brought on in defensive analyst roles and will probably both be one of our 15 headsets on gameday.
Not saying a different staff wins a bunch more games for us right now because we are talent deficient, but a more proven staff helps (a) get you more money coming in when the fans and boosters have confidence in the coaches' ability to build a program and (b) allow the same money to get better players out of the portal and through HS recruiting because the recruits are excited to play for someone that has a track record of success. Right now we are having to overpay because the recruits are taking a risk to come play for guys that have no proven record of success at MSU or anywhere else. HC had never been a HC before at any level and DC had never been a defensive coordinator at any level.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Thank you. Unfortunately I just don't pay near as much attention as I used to. I can't name half the coaches and maybe 3 or 4 starters.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Eventually they'll get tired of 10-3 because they view themselves as a program that should be on par with Bama, LSU, and Georgia. They just will. And if they lose a couple of Egg Bowls they'll get even more impatient.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Yeah. You look at baseball and you can see the difference. We brought in a legit coach and it's obvious that the excitement and donations are up.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
It can happen in football too- see Jackie. If Lebby doesn't work out we are going to have to hire someone that has at least a good track record to fix things.
Exactly, starts with the coach!