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This is on point and how it really is.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
High school recruiting has gone to shit. Whenever, I don’t even want to look but it’s usually a G5 player. It’s really depressing.
We are not going to offer HS kids a bunch of money that we do not think they will play in Yr 1. Lebby is using the Kiffin approach. ID 10-12 HS guys and go after them. If you get a few more then that is ok, you can use them for depth and practice and they will probably transfer. Take a kid like Lo’Kavian Jackson this past year. He was a 3 star but we ID’d him as a guy we really wanted. So we went and got him. Now a couple of the guys we currently have committed in the 26 class, depth and practice guys that may transfer after a year or 2Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDawg81
Honestly, I think we are agreeing coach. I think 7 wins is attainable and once a decade the stars align and we win 9. If we do that I'll be fine considering the circumstances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
This is what I believe will be the downfall of the have nots of power4 football. You get a marginal player either from high school or portal and you pay him marginally. Then this player pops up and starts contributing something like 2nd string. He then goes to the portal after one year and goes to the highest payer that will guarantee playing time. This happens 15-20 times on your roster and you never get a chance to develop him into a starter is impossible to build roster.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Now pay for play is legal I don’t blame the players they have only 5yrs to make as much money as possible because most will never make NFL rosters or have the ability to make that much money in that short of time.
The current model is going to end far more football careers than the ones it going make.
If so, we'd been better off investing in Hawk Tuah coin.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Yeah- we are funding at a level to stay above G5 but there is no way we will get in the top half of the SEC. We simply dont have the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by gtowndawg
People talking about how we gonna allocate 18MM to football in this House BS deal fail to realize that money from that 20MM is going to have to go women's sports. The law is the law. This aint gonna be a 20MM dolla men's sports grab
This is where you lose me like always. There are many doctors that may have gone to umc among many other medical schools that graduated undergrad from state. Same with law school. You do know MC has a law school that is tied into Mississippi state, I'm guessing not. This point of yours of, they have the doctors and lawyers is such bs. Also you can make just a much as both of these with much higher potential to make more without the debt doing other things. To talk about Vandy with their untapped alumni because they don't care about sports. You really think these neurosurgeons are dropping big money in football? I'm sure some are but they didn't get where they are spending time watching football. On top of that many of these doctors and lawyers pull for ole miss because they went to professional school there. That doesn't mean they are donating to nil. It just means if asked thats the school they say they will pull for when someone has sports on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
On Cap oblivious, you're such a troll. We got Mike leach so ole miss went avs for Kiffen. We could have pulled Kiffen then but his background stopped us. Yeah maybe now we wouldn't go get a coach like that but after this baseball hire, I'm not so sure we couldn't get a top coach. Maybe not pull a coach from Texas but certainly a Kiffen (if he was in a school not in the SEC/pos not b10) even now if we get our roster, money for football on track.
Lol this seems hopeless.Quote:
Originally Posted by gtowndawg
We basically fielding a team for the TV money. That's what we have to look forward to in football... cashing a check.
Sec has brain washed us and so has our old donors into thinking this. Well people are starting to wake up to this now that we actually have an AD that knows how to raise money, get people involved
Huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLostDawg
We aren't even sniffing the Tennessee's, Georgia's, and Texas' (and the list goes on) even if our entire fanbase "woke up".
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Originally Posted by TheLostDawg
problem is that they have a few lawyers that were involved in Multi billion dollar settlements and who do put in a tremendous amount of money to OM. Namely two, tobacco and Asbestos. Most Lawyers make good income but only a few really cash it in.
David and Dickie cash flow A BUNCH of stuff for them. Add in Bill Jordan and Jerry Hollingsworth and you have a really solid core 4 that can give a boatload of cash.Quote:
Originally Posted by parabrave
There are a couple more in Gulfport who are rabid rebs including a former FB player from the 60s who puts alot of money in.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
We have two billionaire alums that do not give a cent to athletics. It all goes to academics. They refuse to give to sports. Yeah, it's their money but those two alone could take us to another level in football.Quote:
Originally Posted by StateDawg44
Do you not think those schools have billionaires who don't donate to sports either? Or at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
This is just marketing spin from Ole Miss. I?ve worked with lawyers my entire life. Average lawyer salary in the US is $145k a year?a lot less than that in Mississippi. Most doctors just go to UMMC which is a different beast. Those guys and girls typically stay loyal to their undergraduate Alma mater and most are destitute for the first decade after medical school due to $250k -$500k in college debt. Veterinarians average $130k in the US, depending on what type of engineer average salary is $105k - $170k a year. Mississippi State has plenty of untapped funds in the alumni they just don?t prioritize it or market it at all. State has plenty of money to compete in football NIL?they just don?t want to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
They probably do but they also have billionaires that do. We do not.Quote:
Originally Posted by StateDawg44
There is a reason for that, there are many that haven't trusted the the leadership in the athletic department for a long time. Our own people have pushed unqualified people into critical spots to serve their own interest to the detriment of MSU and others notice this homer BS and stay away. This seems to be changing or the better now and I hope it continues.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
We put out a shitload of engineers and while they have an engineering program (notice I didn't say school) anyone with any sense at all doesn't hire an OM engineer. I've worked with them. They're shit. So, engineers make more than fashion designers and business degree grads.
These guys are high net worth individuals. They are not going to give large amounts of money to people if they don't think those people are going to spend it effectively. And nothing about the John Cohen AD tenure could be considered effective, outside of hiring Chris Jans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
Smart said earlier at the SEC meetings (I guess), that if this continues, that schools are going to be forced to discontinue other athletic programs. I think he?s correct too, bc football is the king of revenue. Let?s say that?s true, big schools have more sports to provide bc of their size. We don?t have swimming, diving, gymnastics, equestrian sports to cut, but they do. I believe when this starts happening is when the revolt will begin to the NCAA. We cannot compete, we can only survive in football.
The hire of Cohen immediately turned me off from any support of MSU athletics. The most asinine hire and group think.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
For the first time , with Selmon especially running it, I have confidence to donate and that we have someone outside the box run it.
We need some Sicilians running that payroll ***Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
MSU has a higher acceptance rate into medical school than Ole Miss undergrad. And that needs to be said loudly and more often in the state of MS for prospective students. I recently had to tell younger extended family members about this because I heard them say "if you go into medical you go to ole miss".Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
We need to start loudly correcting the old notion.
Average Graduate of MSU makes more than the average Ole Miss grad.
Over 30,000 more living alumni than ole miss.
Top five careers that have millionaires includes teachers and engineers....the thing is that is over decades of saving v. instant cash so we have more prudent people and want to see our money go to something useful.
Maybe that is also why we are not a cult about football to the degree of ole miss also. We have lives and other priorities, like making money and enjoying family
It is their religion.
Seems like it?s almost better off to run the program like a JUCO considering our pecking order and budget constraints. Pay good money for a couple of key difference makers on both sides of the ball. Everyone else you understand is going to be gone in a year or 2. Prove you can get guys placed and paid after a year or so in the program and I believe you?d have good talent that got overlooked or is trying to move up
I struggle to see the value in spending $20M to go 6-7 in football. What a waste of resources.
Yeah I get it pays the bills but damn that really just leaves nothing to look forward to in the sport other than your random upset here and there maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
The value is it allows you to sit at the table with the big dogs and collect tv revenue that mostly pays for everything elseQuote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
Basically this. Be like Kentucky be mediocre in FB with the 7-9 win year, and the occasional 10+ season and be famous for Basketball. MSU and other schools even MIssouri should concentrate on Basketball and Baseball. Let OM., Arkry, Aubbie and SC waste their resources banging their head with the TX Schools and BAMA.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgFromOxford
And THAT is why the big donors are going to sit on the sidelines to see how all this crap plays out. They are NOT going to put in Millions to go 6-7. And I don't blame them. Like others have said, if State has to find a niche coach with a niche offense that can fool enough other coaches to win 7 to 8 games a year by spending most on Defense and enough on the Oline to run for 150-200 a game and score in the upper 20s most games. So you win 7 games 27-17 and you lose 5 games 28-20. At least you are competitive in the losses. Damn! Why does it have to be Rocket Surgery???Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgFromOxford
And then he will finally get the program built to where he can win 10-11 games become Number 1 in the nation hell even beat LSU then leave and go to Florida.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
I don't fault anyone for not wanting throw their money down the drain that is NIL/college athletics, but unfortunately its the current state of affairs. Either play the game to at least be at the tail end of the lead pack or get left behind.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
We just hired a phenomenal baseball coach from a top program, because we were willing to fund what they weren't. Having SEC money helped make that happen.
IMO, football is a lost cause unless someone stands up and puts an NIL cap across all schools. Until they do that its not even real competition anymore. NFL would lose a big percentage of its fans and viewers if the top few money teams were allowed to buy all the players and the smaller market teams had NO chance to compete for anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
Yes- football is a lost causeQuote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
Our new role is to win 2 conference games and make a bowl game.
Or they'd just all pull for a few teams. Kind of like the Yankees back whenQuote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
Exactly. Plus, to state what I assume is really obvious, winning 6-7 games beats the heck out of winning TWO games.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgFromOxford
The problem is that it is going to take one of the big boys(Bama,tOSU,LSU,UGA,etc) to stand up and say, “Hey guys, this crap is stupid. Like what the hell are we doing here?” for the wheels of change to begin to turn. As long as the Mississippi State and Kentucky’s of the CFB world are the ones saying it then nothing will change. But the cliff is coming, and it is coming quick.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
Guys, we averaged 3.5 conference wins a season over the last 30 years and that was during the golden era of Miss. State football. I'm telling you, with good coaching we're basically in the same boat. We can get good enough players to hold serve, but we need good coaching and I just don't think we have that right now (top to bottom).Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34