Sunday Morning Thoughts-Hello Darkness My Old Friend

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

No we're a lot worse. At least they have uniformity behind Rane and Lowder. We got Adkerson that pays for basically everything, who doesn't say anything about how much he gives and a bunch of boosters under him fighting to tell everyone how much they donate.

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You make great point there. But we are similar in that we like them are driven by the dumbassery of a few boosters that have a gigantic case of LDS with the confederates.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

You make great point there. But we are similar in that we like them are driven by the dumbassery of a few boosters that have a gigantic case of LDS with the confederates.

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Now that is correct. We have no uniformity. We have 25-30 boosters that if they weren't giving such large checks, Selmon would tell them to kick rocks and go support Delta St. Selmon has thankfully eschewed them to the edges like Mullen and Byrne did.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I mean Byrne and Stricklin were both Asst. ADs. Selmon is going to be good. But y'all are going to have to give him more than 22 months, especially in this new environment and how bad our athletic dept was being run under Cohen. He has had to take the athletic dept down to the studs. I don't think some of y'all get how bad it was. We had people in 6 figure salary jobs that didn't know how to do the job were being paid for. Selmon almost quit within a week because of how bad it was. He never wanted Arnett and made that known. He thought Arnett was a bad football coach. He said he had no clue how to run a program, and he was right. And had the boosters gotten their pick of who they wanted our AD would've been Jared Benko who just left Ga Southern, AS THE AD, to go be with Cohen and be an asst AD.

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I was editing my post twice. I did point out in my opinion that Byrne (very successful) at State and Strickland (somewhat successful in some ways) were hired by us from the Asst AD ranks. I don't know anyone that misses the "Templeton Troughs".***** Very few HC's from other programs hired to be our HC in my lifetime.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I mean Byrne and Stricklin were both Asst. ADs. Selmon is going to be good. But y'all are going to have to give him more than 22 months, especially in this new environment and how bad our athletic dept was being run under Cohen. He has had to take the athletic dept down to the studs. I don't think some of y'all get how bad it was. We had people in 6 figure salary jobs that didn't know how to do the job were being paid for. Selmon almost quit within a week because of how bad it was. He never wanted Arnett and made that known. He thought Arnett was a bad football coach. He said he had no clue how to run a program, and he was right. And had the boosters gotten their pick of who they wanted our AD would've been Jared Benko who just left Ga Southern, AS THE AD, to go be with Cohen and be an asst AD.

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And people wonder why our football program is so bad now. This has been building since Cohen hired JoMo and told all the other potential candidates "It's over. We found our guy."

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

And people wonder why our football program is so bad now. This has been building since Cohen hired JoMo and told all the other potential candidates "It's over. We found our guy."

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Exactly! So thank the same bunch we have been talking about for all of this. It's all at their feet.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

And people wonder why our football program is so bad now. This has been building since Cohen hired JoMo and told all the other potential candidates "It's over. We found our guy."

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And just as a reminder…Kyle Whittingham and Mark Stoops both were trying to get in the mix for our job in 17.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Lebbo is appearing to dig in on Hutzler.

So get ready for him to be DC again next year unless they have a deal for him to move to STC.

We have had our 2 year reshuffle now. 2025 needs to see progress and a vision moving forward.

But when you see Michigan announce they are comitting $50MM per year moving forward- its over. All this shit is done. We cannot compete with big budget college football

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At this point he?s not firing Hutzler.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Go to the bar at Reunion, CCJ, Annandale, etc and you will see them. Go to Taste, 44 Prime, or Two Brothers when you're in Starkville and you'll see them there too. They love to brag about knowing the players and the coaches and all the "inside info" they have. It's a bunch of baseball boosters that Byrne and Stricklin told to 17 off and Cohen let them back in and let them have control. And let me tell you, the baseball boosters are a WEIRD bunch. They openly brag about taking the players and their girlfriends out to get drunk, snapchat with them, text with the girlfriends.....IT'S WEIRD.

Like Dawgology said, without Charlie Winfield(god bless that man) our NIL would be peddling autographed baseballs. Every stupid decision made from 2016 on leads back to one person. John Cohen. If you have to ask yourself why we are in the mess we are in.....John Cohen.

Want to know why we have no LED lights in football and shitty sound system but baseball has both......John Cohen

Want to know why we put lipstick on a pig in basketball, but baseball already has renovation plans for a 6 year old stadium....John Cohen

Want to know why we were 24-36 months behind EVERYONE ELSE with NIL until Charlie put it in overdrive.....John Cohen


And you know who put John Cohen in charge? Those same boosters I am talking about plus a few more who just wanted to be able to call the AD so their box could get some new stuff

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That?s pitifully sad. I can understand some of the anting to know the ins and outs of a program if you give a lot, I?m not interested, but I get it. People in general like to know a secret others don?t know. Access scratches that itch.

I do not understand why anyone would want to ?call the shots?.

What a bunch of dumb 17 donors think they know about calling shots in a sport because they have a good construction business will always baffle me.

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Originally Posted by SPMT

That?s pitifully sad. I can understand some of the anting to know the ins and outs of a program if you give a lot, I?m not interested, but I get it. People in general like to know a secret others don?t know. Access scratches that itch.

I do not understand why anyone would want to ?call the shots?.

What a bunch of dumb 17 donors think they know about calling shots in a sport because they have a good construction business will always baffle me.

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Go on Twitter. That's our entire fanbase. It doesn't matter if it's $5 fans or 5 million dollar fans. Today I've seen people who claim they are quote "True Maroon Bulldogs" literally posting that they will not support the program if we don't fire Coleman Hutzler and tagging Zac Selmon. I mean recruits see that. It makes us look awful.

And I understand that every fan base has a sect of crazies that does stuff like that but it just seems like our fanbase takes it to the next level. Like other fan bases get mad on Gameday and then it's over by Sunday afternoon. Our fanbase is still tweeting, Facebooking, posting, etc about things that happened 5 weeks ago.

This is what I'm talking about when I say that we have a disjointed fanbase. A majority of our fanbase, or at least the loud majority, wants to put out for the world to see everything Mississippi State does wrong. I hardly ever see anything positive about Mississippi State from our fanbase. It's always what we're doing wrong.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Go on Twitter. That's our entire fanbase. It doesn't matter if it's $5 fans or 5 million dollar fans. Today I've seen people who claim they are quote "True Maroon Bulldogs" literally posting that they will not support the program if we don't fire Coleman Hutzler and tagging Zac Selmon. I mean recruits see that. It makes us look awful.

And I understand that every fan base has a sect of crazies that does stuff like that but it just seems like our fanbase takes it to the next level. Like other fan bases get mad on Gameday and then it's over by Sunday afternoon. Our fanbase is still tweeting, Facebooking, posting, etc about things that happened 5 weeks ago.

This is what I'm talking about when I say that we have a disjointed fanbase. A majority of our fanbase, or at least the loud majority, wants to put out for the world to see everything Mississippi State does wrong. I hardly ever see anything positive about Mississippi State from our fanbase. It's always what we're doing wrong.

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I've mentioned this before but what's wrong with our "fans" is they are not fans. I know many pepople here in the Memphis area that will bring up the "Bulldawgs" when I run into them but they haven't been to a game in years, they don't give anything and they barely know our coaches name (seriously). I just don't get it. Why are Ole Miss grads brainwashed and ours forget we have a football team after they leave? It's bizarre.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Go on Twitter. That's our entire fanbase. It doesn't matter if it's $5 fans or 5 million dollar fans. Today I've seen people who claim they are quote "True Maroon Bulldogs" literally posting that they will not support the program if we don't fire Coleman Hutzler and tagging Zac Selmon. I mean recruits see that. It makes us look awful.

And I understand that every fan base has a sect of crazies that does stuff like that but it just seems like our fanbase takes it to the next level. Like other fan bases get mad on Gameday and then it's over by Sunday afternoon. Our fanbase is still tweeting, Facebooking, posting, etc about things that happened 5 weeks ago.

This is what I'm talking about when I say that we have a disjointed fanbase. A majority of our fanbase, or at least the loud majority, wants to put out for the world to see everything Mississippi State does wrong. I hardly ever see anything positive about Mississippi State from our fanbase. It's always what we're doing wrong.

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I'm so glad that there are those that can see what we have been witnessing for years. We will act against our own self interest regularly just so a few can brag about their escapades in Starkville. It's pathetic. But don't think that they haven't had help, they have. They outmaneuvered the AD search to get Cohen in.

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Originally Posted by gtowndawg

I've mentioned this before but what's wrong with our "fans" is they are not fans. I know many pepople here in the Memphis area that will bring up the "Bulldawgs" when I run into them but they haven't been to a game in years, they don't give anything and they barely know our coaches name (seriously). I just don't get it. Why are Ole Miss grads brainwashed and ours forget we have a football team after they leave? It's bizarre.

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I think people get burned out. The university has shot itself in the foot many times (like is being discussed on here now) that people just throw up their hands.

But the mindset does seem different right now.

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Originally Posted by gtowndawg

I've mentioned this before but what's wrong with our "fans" is they are not fans. I know many pepople here in the Memphis area that will bring up the "Bulldawgs" when I run into them but they haven't been to a game in years, they don't give anything and they barely know our coaches name (seriously). I just don't get it. Why are Ole Miss grads brainwashed and ours forget we have a football team after they leave? It's bizarre.

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Because they have this weird new concept called Alumni Outreach. A lot of schools are trying it out. Mississippi State is in a wait and see approach. I wish I was kidding. Ole Miss keeps up with their alumni and makes it a big deal to come back to campus for a few weekends in the fall and spring.

Mississippi State doesn't care. They could care less if young alumni came back. I mean I'm lucky enough that we have a condo in Starkville and have season tickets to everything or it would be almost impossible to come to games and enjoy them. Tickets aren't a problem, at least right now, but I mean where the hell are you supposed to stay in Starkville? There's 6 hotels and the team takes one of them and then there's a couple of fleabag motels, but I mean that's just not enough for a college town on a gameday weekend. I mean if I'm the University, I'm running gameday shuttles to hotels in Columbus and West Point. Hell, I'd be running charter buses to hotels in Meridian, Grenada, and even Jackson. Make it accessible for people to get there and they may be more willing to come. And that goes past just young alumni, that goes to out of state fans or even in state fans that may not live close to Starkville. I mean Mississippi State could EASILY afford to do that. Hell, Everett would probably cut them a deal on the buses.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Go on Twitter. That's our entire fanbase. It doesn't matter if it's $5 fans or 5 million dollar fans. Today I've seen people who claim they are quote "True Maroon Bulldogs" literally posting that they will not support the program if we don't fire Coleman Hutzler and tagging Zac Selmon. I mean recruits see that. It makes us look awful.

And I understand that every fan base has a sect of crazies that does stuff like that but it just seems like our fanbase takes it to the next level. Like other fan bases get mad on Gameday and then it's over by Sunday afternoon. Our fanbase is still tweeting, Facebooking, posting, etc about things that happened 5 weeks ago.

This is what I'm talking about when I say that we have a disjointed fanbase. A majority of our fanbase, or at least the loud majority, wants to put out for the world to see everything Mississippi State does wrong. I hardly ever see anything positive about Mississippi State from our fanbase. It's always what we're doing wrong.

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I think that is fans that wants to voice their frustrations and Twitter is their only place to voice their frustrations and for it to be heard. They are not big donors but they do contribute to NIL as much as they can. I cannot say that I blame them for voicing their frustrations.
Also to add, you have people like the Bus Driver telling people shut up. Yea and that doesn?t work. That pisses them off more

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Originally Posted by BigDawg81

I think that?s fans that wants to voice their frustrations and Twitter is their only place to voice their frustrations and for it to be heard. They?re not big donors but they do contribute to NIL as much as they can. I can?t say that I blame them for voicing their frustrations.

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Don't do it on social media for the freaking world to see. Recruits see that shit. Transfer portal targets see that shit. If you want to bitch and complain then send an email. There's just as good of a chance he'll respond to that as you tweeting at the damn AD. I mean we got people trying to torpedo the damn program for 3 likes and his group message to tell him he's a bad ass. It's just more loser mentality from our fanbase.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Because they have this weird new concept called Alumni Outreach. A lot of schools are trying it out. Mississippi State is in a wait and see approach. I wish I was kidding. Ole Miss keeps up with their alumni and makes it a big deal to come back to campus for a few weekends in the fall and spring.

Mississippi State doesn't care. They could care less if young alumni came back. I mean I'm lucky enough that we have a condo in Starkville and have season tickets to everything or it would be almost impossible to come to games and enjoy them. Tickets aren't a problem, at least right now, but I mean where the hell are you supposed to stay in Starkville? There's 6 hotels and the team takes one of them and then there's a couple of fleabag motels, but I mean that's just not enough for a college town on a gameday weekend. I mean if I'm the University, I'm running gameday shuttles to hotels in Columbus and West Point. Hell, I'd be running charter buses to hotels in Meridian, Grenada, and even Jackson. Make it accessible for people to get there and they may be more willing to come. And that goes past just young alumni, that goes to out of state fans or even in state fans that may not live close to Starkville. I mean Mississippi State could EASILY afford to do that. Hell, Everett would probably cut them a deal on the buses.

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I’m from Meridian. We get a TON of business hotel wise from teams that play us. The drive is easy to Stark and there’s more places to eat here. It makes sense for people to stay, but if my girlfriend wasn’t a senior, I would be driving back and forth every game…that’s certainly way less enjoyable than actually being able to do something after the games. Starkville definitely needs some better bars though. The fact the district closes at 1 is insane. I work 5 days a week and I stay up until 1 almost every night. Starkville City council must also all sit on the SBC. SHEESH

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Originally Posted by Brobi-wan

I?m from Meridian. We get a TON of business hotel wise from teams that play us. The drive is easy to Stark and there?s more places to eat here. It makes sense for people to stay, but if my girlfriend wasn?t a senior, I would be driving back and forth every game?that?s certainly way less enjoyable than actually being able to do something after the games. Starkville definitely needs some better bars though. The fact the district closes at 1 is insane. I work 5 days a week and I stay up until 1 almost every night. Starkville City council must also all sit on the SBC. SHEESH

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If you think Meridian is better than Starkville, you've lost your damn mind lol. Meridian is plus size Newton.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

If you think Meridian is better than Starkville, you've lost your damn mind lol. Meridian is plus size Newton.

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As a whole? Not even close, but it’s way better equipped to house overnight stayers than Starkville is. There’s no night life in Meridian unless you’re a gangbanger, but closing college bars down at 1 on Friday night is early. Tuscaloosa keeps them open until 3. Meridian is a sh!thole for sure, but that does not change the fact that Starkville bar scene is also lacking. Meridian is beyond saving. Starkville has a lot of untapped potential and can improve

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Originally Posted by Brobi-wan

I?m from Meridian. We get a TON of business hotel wise from teams that play us. The drive is easy to Stark and there?s more places to eat here. It makes sense for people to stay, but if my girlfriend wasn?t a senior, I would be driving back and forth every game?that?s certainly way less enjoyable than actually being able to do something after the games. Starkville definitely needs some better bars though. The fact the district closes at 1 is insane. I work 5 days a week and I stay up until 1 almost every night. Starkville City council must also all sit on the SBC. SHEESH

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Starkville City Council are a bunch of blowhard career politician types. There?s one young lady who seems solid.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Go to the bar at Reunion, CCJ, Annandale, etc and you will see them. Go to Taste, 44 Prime, or Two Brothers when you're in Starkville and you'll see them there too. They love to brag about knowing the players and the coaches and all the "inside info" they have. It's a bunch of baseball boosters that Byrne and Stricklin told to 17 off and Cohen let them back in and let them have control. And let me tell you, the baseball boosters are a WEIRD bunch. They openly brag about taking the players and their girlfriends out to get drunk, snapchat with them, text with the girlfriends.....IT'S WEIRD.

Like Dawgology said, without Charlie Winfield(god bless that man) our NIL would be peddling autographed baseballs. Every stupid decision made from 2016 on leads back to one person. John Cohen. If you have to ask yourself why we are in the mess we are in.....John Cohen.

Want to know why we have no LED lights in football and shitty sound system but baseball has both......John Cohen

Want to know why we put lipstick on a pig in basketball, but baseball already has renovation plans for a 6 year old stadium....John Cohen

Want to know why we were 24-36 months behind EVERYONE ELSE with NIL until Charlie put it in overdrive.....John Cohen


And you know who put John Cohen in charge? Those same boosters I am talking about plus a few more who just wanted to be able to call the AD so their box could get some new stuff

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There are a lot of things wrong with our athletics department but the overwhelming #1 thing that holds us back overall as an athletics department is the major boosters and school’s obsession with baseball. The best thing for our school would be for that program to completely shut down so our people would be forced to give a sh*t about the sport that actually pays the bills. The fact that our baseball stadium looks like it does and our football stadium looks like it does is an embarrassment to anyone with a fully functional brain. Bragging about having a major league level baseball park while our football stadium is rotting is embarrassing and other people in our league laugh at how damn stupid we are for doing that. We built a 70 MILLION DOLLAR baseball stadium and can’t even afford to put functional lights and speakers in the football stadium.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

There are a lot of things wrong with our athletics department but the overwhelming #1 thing that holds us back overall as an athletics department is the major boosters and school’s obsession with baseball. The best thing for our school would be for that program to completely shut down so our people would be forced to give a sh*t about the sport that actually pays the bills. The fact that our baseball stadium looks like it does and our football stadium looks like it does is an embarrassment to anyone with a fully functional brain. Bragging about having a major league level baseball park while our football stadium is rotting is embarrassing and other people in our league laugh at how damn stupid we are for doing that. We built a 70 MILLION DOLLAR baseball stadium and can’t even afford to put functional lights and speakers in the football stadium.

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ALL OF THIS.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

There are a lot of things wrong with our athletics department but the overwhelming #1 thing that holds us back overall as an athletics department is the major boosters and school?s obsession with baseball. The best thing for our school would be for that program to completely shut down so our people would be forced to give a sh*t about the sport that actually pays the bills. The fact that our baseball stadium looks like it does and our football stadium looks like it does is an embarrassment to anyone with a fully functional brain. Bragging about having a major league level baseball park while our football stadium is rotting is embarrassing and other people in our league laugh at how damn stupid we are for doing that. We built a 70 MILLION DOLLAR baseball stadium and can?t even afford to put functional lights and speakers in the football stadium.

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I hate to say it, but I agree with this 1,000%

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Because they have this weird new concept called Alumni Outreach. A lot of schools are trying it out. Mississippi State is in a wait and see approach. I wish I was kidding. Ole Miss keeps up with their alumni and makes it a big deal to come back to campus for a few weekends in the fall and spring.

Mississippi State doesn't care. They could care less if young alumni came back. I mean I'm lucky enough that we have a condo in Starkville and have season tickets to everything or it would be almost impossible to come to games and enjoy them. Tickets aren't a problem, at least right now, but I mean where the hell are you supposed to stay in Starkville? There's 6 hotels and the team takes one of them and then there's a couple of fleabag motels, but I mean that's just not enough for a college town on a gameday weekend. I mean if I'm the University, I'm running gameday shuttles to hotels in Columbus and West Point. Hell, I'd be running charter buses to hotels in Meridian, Grenada, and even Jackson. Make it accessible for people to get there and they may be more willing to come. And that goes past just young alumni, that goes to out of state fans or even in state fans that may not live close to Starkville. I mean Mississippi State could EASILY afford to do that. Hell, Everett would probably cut them a deal on the buses.

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We certainly need a new approach to this and many other things.

We have more boosters willing to support baseball and love it for one reason- its the only sport we were ever really good at.

You are talking about a school that sold their home game to LSU to them and Baton Rouge about 40 times. A school that was the last SEC team to get a wood floor in basketball and their HC basically recruited by phone in 1985. A school unfortunately has to consider Larry Templeton one of their top AD's in history.

Yeah- they choose that because its our best chance to compete for a title

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Originally Posted by Jarius

There are a lot of things wrong with our athletics department but the overwhelming #1 thing that holds us back overall as an athletics department is the major boosters and school?s obsession with baseball. The best thing for our school would be for that program to completely shut down so our people would be forced to give a sh*t about the sport that actually pays the bills. The fact that our baseball stadium looks like it does and our football stadium looks like it does is an embarrassment to anyone with a fully functional brain. Bragging about having a major league level baseball park while our football stadium is rotting is embarrassing and other people in our league laugh at how damn stupid we are for doing that. We built a 70 MILLION DOLLAR baseball stadium and can?t even afford to put functional lights and speakers in the football stadium.

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No the biggest thing that holds MSU football back is mind numbingly STUPID ideas like "shutting down the baseball program so fans will have to focus on football."

This is the EXACT SAME SHIT that ruined our football program. "Let's get rid of Leach." "Let's hire Arnett." All were fan ideas that came to fruition and how did ANY of them work out? NONE OF THEM HAVE!

You complain about football facilities- well Cohen has been gone for over TWO years! Why hasn't Selmon fixed any of it? He has had 22 months to put some lights in. This isn't a new problem.

Here's the thing about baseball. Do you ever see baseball hiring a first year hitting coach to be the head coach? OK we did it with Cann and how did it work? Do you ever see baseball going all in on JUCO players and then have people try to sell it off as depth? NO! Do you ever see baseball just promoting the pitching coach to try to maintain continuity only to have him fire the hitting coach and lie to players about what we are going to do? Again- NO! Do you see baseball trying to keep a failed assistant because of reasons that make no logical sense like we are rumored to be doing with Hutzler? NO!

And don't sell me this bullshit that these same boosters who are apparently batting a thousand in baseball moves are all of a sudden clueless idiots on every single football move "because they care about baseball more." Well apparently they DO care about football because they're overinvolved in that sport.

So my humble advice as someone who has been AGAINST literally every stupid ass football move which I have been correct about being a stupid move so far is to:

1. Stop trying to drag the baseball program into the football programs failures. It's petty and it's ****ing stupid. COHEN ISN'T HERE ANYMORE!

2. LOOK at what makes baseball successful. And then actually try to imitate it. Baseball didn't tell MSU to hire inexperienced coaches. Baseball didn't tell football to recruit a bunch of JUCOs. Baseball isn't telling football to keep Hutzler.

3. You want to look stupid? Try shutting down baseball right as there are talks about MLB contracting minor league baseball and right at a time when college baseball is one of the fastest growing sports in the country DUMBASS!!!!!!! Doing shit like shutting down the baseball program is why people laugh at us and it's dumbasses like you who come up with this shit!!!!

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Originally Posted by gtowndawg

We certainly need a new approach to this and many other things.

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The "new approach" needs to be to do things that are high percentage and to stop cutting corners.

Hire coaches with experience.

Build up the recruiting department.

Listen to the fans and give them what they want.

Baseball is pretty well self-sufficient on the NIL side. I doubt you see much big investment in baseball stuff outside of normal things. If they start dropping big money on baseball again, 17 MSU!

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Originally Posted by gtowndawg

I honestly don't understand the mindset of wanting access and some control over a program that's literally embarrassing. I mean who wants to brag about that?

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I don't think they want to lose. They want to win AND have access. The problem is guys that win and are good coaches like Dan and Leach don't have time for hangers on because they're focused on winning. They assume that guys like Will Friend that kiss ass are just as good as Leach and well they're not.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I don't think they want to lose. They want to win AND have access. The problem is guys that win and are good coaches like Dan and Leach don't have time for hangers on because they're focused on winning. They assume that guys like Will Friend that kiss ass are just as good as Leach and well they're not.

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They don?t want to lose but if you are hanging out with college baseball players and their girlfriends you have serious issues.

Caveat being you happen to become friendly with one and are talking to them about your kid and baseball or something friends really talk about.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

We have more boosters willing to support baseball and love it for one reason- its the only sport we were ever really good at.

You are talking about a school that sold their home game to LSU to them and Baton Rouge about 40 times. A school that was the last SEC team to get a wood floor in basketball and their HC basically recruited by phone in 1985. A school unfortunately has to consider Larry Templeton one of their top AD's in history.

Yeah- they choose that because its our best chance to compete for a title

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And what did that title get? A bunch of fat old men get to take pics of themselves jerking off with a natty trophy. After that, nothing. We had people LAST YEAR trying to discredit a 17 win SEC season in an attempt to go ahead and fire Lemons. The club sport fanaticism is dumb.

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Originally Posted by SPMT

They don?t want to lose but if you are hanging out with college baseball players and their girlfriends you have serious issues.

Caveat being you happen to become friendly with one and are talking to them about your kid and baseball or something friends really talk about.

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I don't disagree that if you are hanging out with the baseball players and their girlfriends that you are a weird person.

But that doesn't have anything to do with bad football decisions.

In fact I'll say this. If you are an elite football coach like a Saban- those people are so 24/7 OCD about football that they don't really have time to hang out with boosters.

It wouldn't surprise me if Kiffin is like that to a degree. Ole Miss is probably/maybe better about getting their access from people like a Barney Farrar and being OK with that whereas at MSU it seems like it maybe is a you scratch my back I'll scratch yours thing. If you give us access we'll make you the offensive coordinator at MSU or something.

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Originally Posted by RockyDog

And what did that title get? A bunch of fat old men get to take pics of themselves jerking off with a natty trophy. After that, nothing. We had people LAST YEAR trying to discredit a 17 win SEC season in an attempt to go ahead and fire Lemons. The club sport fanaticism is dumb.

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Ironically the 2022 and 2023 seasons happened in part because of bad decisions by Cohen and the boosters we're talking about.

Lemonis was never really in any trouble.

If we won the NC in women's basketball or women's soccer you would have fans "jerking off" with that trophy too. Not sure why anyone would have a problem with fans celebrating a championship but here you are.

And oh by the way in case you forgot- before baseball won a NC we were one of only a handful of schools to not have a NC in ANY sport. So yeah- it was a big deal. Deal with it.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I don't disagree that if you are hanging out with the baseball players and their girlfriends that you are a weird person.

But that doesn't have anything to do with bad football decisions.

In fact I'll say this. If you are an elite football coach like a Saban- those people are so 24/7 OCD about football that they don't really have time to hang out with boosters.

It wouldn't surprise me if Kiffin is like that to a degree. Ole Miss is probably/maybe better about getting their access from people like a Barney Farrar and being OK with that whereas at MSU it seems like it maybe is a you scratch my back I'll scratch yours thing. If you give us access we'll make you the offensive coordinator at MSU or something.

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Was referring to the baseball boosters who seem to have been meddling in football.

Dear Lord I pray we are not so dumb that we allow random businesspeople to hire/highly influence the hiring of a coach in a major sport. Please tell me we are past this. Sadly, we probably still do.

Any reasonable businessperson that has gotten to a level of success to have anyone listen to them in the AD has most definitely learned the hiring process and knows to let their reports hire who they think is fit with some having a minor say times.

So, in my feeble mind, these are the middle people, enough to matter, especially as a group, but individually not super significant.

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Was referring to the baseball boosters who seem to have been meddling in football.

Dear Lord I pray we are not so dumb that we allow random businesspeople to hire/highly influence the hiring of a coach in a major sport. Please tell me we are past this. Sadly, we probably still do.

Any reasonable businessperson that has gotten to a level of success to have anyone listen to them in the AD has most definitely learned the hiring process and knows to let their reports hire who they think is fit with some having a minor say times.

So, in my feeble mind, these are the middle people, enough to matter, especially as a group, but individually not super significant.

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The boosters do have some degree of influence because they have money. That's the delicate balance here. As much as believe you me I would love to tell then to go off and **** themselves for what they have done to our football program I understand the reality is we do need their money. StarkvegasSteve said as much in this thread. The boosters know it too. That's why they can do some of the crap that they do.

But recently the issue we had was when Leach passed away we had on AD to be a buffer so it's not too surprising that they were able to get him and a bunch of their friends on staff.

I will say that I don't think they had as much say when we hired Lebby and to be honest with you if they did have their say I'm not sure that they would have allowed Hutzler to be the DC. In fact, if Hutzler isn't our DC next year there is a good chance it's because of the boosters withdrawing money especially with the rumors that Lebby wants to bring him back. Lebby needs their support and Selmon needs it too. If Lebby doesn't have support he is going to end up being an OC for life. We'll see how it plays out after the Egg Bowl because I really don't know what is going to happen with it.

It's not a coincidence that people like Chad Bumphis and David Turner have been around for multiple coaching regimes.

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No the biggest thing that holds MSU football back is mind numbingly STUPID ideas like "shutting down the baseball program so fans will have to focus on football."

This is the EXACT SAME SHIT that ruined our football program. "Let's get rid of Leach." "Let's hire Arnett." All were fan ideas that came to fruition and how did ANY of them work out? NONE OF THEM HAVE!

You complain about football facilities- well Cohen has been gone for over TWO years! Why hasn't Selmon fixed any of it? He has had 22 months to put some lights in. This isn't a new problem.

Here's the thing about baseball. Do you ever see baseball hiring a first year hitting coach to be the head coach? OK we did it with Cann and how did it work? Do you ever see baseball going all in on JUCO players and then have people try to sell it off as depth? NO! Do you ever see baseball just promoting the pitching coach to try to maintain continuity only to have him fire the hitting coach and lie to players about what we are going to do? Again- NO! Do you see baseball trying to keep a failed assistant because of reasons that make no logical sense like we are rumored to be doing with Hutzler? NO!

And don't sell me this bullshit that these same boosters who are apparently batting a thousand in baseball moves are all of a sudden clueless idiots on every single football move "because they care about baseball more." Well apparently they DO care about football because they're overinvolved in that sport.

So my humble advice as someone who has been AGAINST literally every stupid ass football move which I have been correct about being a stupid move so far is to:

1. Stop trying to drag the baseball program into the football programs failures. It's petty and it's ****ing stupid. COHEN ISN'T HERE ANYMORE!

2. LOOK at what makes baseball successful. And then actually try to imitate it. Baseball didn't tell MSU to hire inexperienced coaches. Baseball didn't tell football to recruit a bunch of JUCOs. Baseball isn't telling football to keep Hutzler.

3. You want to look stupid? Try shutting down baseball right as there are talks about MLB contracting minor league baseball and right at a time when college baseball is one of the fastest growing sports in the country DUMBASS!!!!!!! Doing shit like shutting down the baseball program is why people laugh at us and it's dumbasses like you who come up with this shit!!!!

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Todd gets it. Why is it so difficult to understand? Mental midgets I suppose.

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Todd gets it. Why is it so difficult to understand? Mental midgets I suppose.

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I do not for the life of me understand why MSU fans think you have to break something good to fix something else.

We can be good in both baseball and football. It has happened before. We went to Omaha AND won the SEC West in football in 1998. And more recently we went to NC Finals in Omaha in 2013 and then Dak took over and football had 2014.

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I do not for the life of me understand why MSU fans think you have to break something good to fix something else.

We can be good in both baseball and football. It has happened before. We went to Omaha AND won the SEC West in football in 1998. And more recently we went to NC Finals in Omaha in 2013 and then Dak took over and football had 2014.

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No idea. It is complete ignorance. Look at UM.

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The boosters do have some degree of influence because they have money. That's the delicate balance here. As much as believe you me I would love to tell then to go off and **** themselves for what they have done to our football program I understand the reality is we do need their money. StarkvegasSteve said as much in this thread. The boosters know it too. That's why they can do some of the crap that they do.

But recently the issue we had was when Leach passed away we had on AD to be a buffer so it's not too surprising that they were able to get him and a bunch of their friends on staff.

I will say that I don't think they had as much say when we hired Lebby and to be honest with you if they did have their say I'm not sure that they would have allowed Hutzler to be the DC. In fact, if Hutzler isn't our DC next year there is a good chance it's because of the boosters withdrawing money especially with the rumors that Lebby wants to bring him back. Lebby needs their support and Selmon needs it too. If Lebby doesn't have support he is going to end up being an OC for life. We'll see how it plays out after the Egg Bowl because I really don't know what is going to happen with it.

It's not a coincidence that people like Chad Bumphis and David Turner have been around for multiple coaching regimes.

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Let Ole Miss score 70 and that will move the need

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The boosters do have some degree of influence because they have money. That's the delicate balance here. As much as believe you me I would love to tell then to go off and **** themselves for what they have done to our football program I understand the reality is we do need their money. StarkvegasSteve said as much in this thread. The boosters know it too. That's why they can do some of the crap that they do.

But recently the issue we had was when Leach passed away we had on AD to be a buffer so it's not too surprising that they were able to get him and a bunch of their friends on staff.

I will say that I don't think they had as much say when we hired Lebby and to be honest with you if they did have their say I'm not sure that they would have allowed Hutzler to be the DC. In fact, if Hutzler isn't our DC next year there is a good chance it's because of the boosters withdrawing money especially with the rumors that Lebby wants to bring him back. Lebby needs their support and Selmon needs it too. If Lebby doesn't have support he is going to end up being an OC for life. We'll see how it plays out after the Egg Bowl because I really don't know what is going to happen with it.

It's not a coincidence that people like Chad Bumphis and David Turner have been around for multiple coaching regimes.

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This would not have been a problem if we would've had an actual AD the previous 5 years. We had a baseball coach. He did not know what to do and instead of being the IB we knew and loved as the baseball coach he became Diplomat Donny and tried to be nice to everyone. He started listening to people that only wanted to advance their agendas and careers and started taking booster input from guys that had been told by Mullen, Byrne, and Strick to cut the checks and shut the 17 up. You give guys like that power again, and they are going to manipulate the hell out of it....which they did.

You're right that it's not a coincidence that Turner and Bumphis have been here with multiple staffs. We overinflate players and former coaches like no other program in the country. Now with Bumphis I will at least say that he's pulled his own weight in terms of recruiting. Turner is living off the fact that he coached Chris Jones(did not recruit him. That was Mullen and Hev) and he helped recruit Jeff (Hughes did the heavy lifting on that one). But we had a bunch of people tell Lebby and Co. that they JUST HAD to have both Turner and Bumphis because of how great recruiters they were. Again, boosters who have no clue what the hell they are talking about trying to peddle influence because they cut a check.

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This would not have been a problem if we would've had an actual AD the previous 5 years. We had a baseball coach. He did not know what to do and instead of being the IB we knew and loved as the baseball coach he became Diplomat Donny and tried to be nice to everyone. He started listening to people that only wanted to advance their agendas and careers and started taking booster input from guys that had been told by Mullen, Byrne, and Strick to cut the checks and shut the 17 up. You give guys like that power again, and they are going to manipulate the hell out of it....which they did.

You're right that it's not a coincidence that Turner and Bumphis have been here with multiple staffs. We overinflate players and former coaches like no other program in the country. Now with Bumphis I will at least say that he's pulled his own weight in terms of recruiting. Turner is living off the fact that he coached Chris Jones(did not recruit him. That was Mullen and Hev) and he helped recruit Jeff (Hughes did the heavy lifting on that one). But we had a bunch of people tell Lebby and Co. that they JUST HAD to have both Turner and Bumphis because of how great recruiters they were. Again, boosters who have no clue what the hell they are talking about trying to peddle influence because they cut a check.

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