NIL Pessimism unwarranted

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

Since you're struggling with reading comprehension. Someone else starts a thread "I'd like to try and make an argument that we are in the ballgame from an NIL perspective."

Then people "maybe majority of state fans dont give a crap about NIL and winning". Okay if that is your approach and you don't care about winning then skip the thread and let those who do try to help. seems pretty simple.

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They are arguing that we are NOT in the ballgame from an NIL perspective. Sounds like you may have some issues with comprehension.

If most State fans could careless about NIL at this point, I would say that we are far from in the ballgame.

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Originally Posted by MBDawg601

They are arguing that we are NOT in the ballgame from an NIL perspective. Sounds like you may have some issues with comprehension.

If most State fans could careless about NIL at this point, I would say that we are far from in the ballgame.

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We are in the ballgame. And in a lot better situation than we were under the previous AD. This one actually knows what the hell he's doing instead of trying to funnel everything to baseball.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

You're part of the problem are part of the solution. The NIL deniers are the one's splitting the fan base. I have said on MULTIPLE OCCASSIONS, give if you want and don't if you don't. But the people who perpetuate this crap, spread hate about NIL, and give statements like "maybe some of us don't care about winning" need to get the 17 out of the fan base. Go support Southern. They don't care about winning. The only one you are hurting at the end of the day is Mississippi State. You're not saving anyone or bringing people to the light. You really think all of us don't know this is a crock of shit? We do. But instead of bitching and complaining and giving reasons why we should not donate: We just do it because we want Mississippi State to succeed.

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Believe what you want, i am not sure who you think you are by telling people what to do with their fandom. Put the drink down, step away from the keyboard and go out for a jog. Relax and let out some of that type B testosterone or type A estrogen, you need a release

NIL and the attitudes of the players is what is crippling Mississippi State you don’t just give more to a spoiled brat. Maybe you never learned that

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

We are in the ballgame. And in a lot better situation than we were under the previous AD. This one actually knows what the hell he's doing instead of trying to funnel everything to baseball.

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We can give millions of dollars every year, but if the ones making decisions with the money are not using it wisely and do not have a plan then we are NOT in the ballgame. It appears that the ones making decisions have no clue what they are doing.

Money does not fix everything.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

We are in the ballgame. And in a lot better situation than we were under the previous AD. This one actually knows what the hell he's doing instead of trying to funnel everything to baseball.

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Wasn’t there a thread last week about firing Selmon? Some of y’all need to make up your minds.

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Originally Posted by MBDawg601

We can give millions of dollars every year, but if the ones making decisions with the money are not using it wisely and do not have a plan then we are NOT in the ballgame. It appears that the ones making decisions have no clue what they are doing.

Money does not fix everything.

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The plan is in place. Come Monday December 2, it will be implemented. Transfers, staff changes, positions added, and more. The plan is already there. We just needed the money to execute it and we have that. Some of it is the 8 million. The other part is a very large donation to the BI

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

Wasn’t there a thread last week about firing Selmon? Some of y’all need to make up your minds.

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No clue. I have never said fire Selmon. I like Zac and I know he has us headed in the right direction. He actually has a plan. Cohen did not.

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

Wow

Bud, if you think what you said earlier actually HELPS Mississippi State then you might need to get something examined. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. If people like me actually stepped away you will see the dent that you have created.

And for the record I don?t say people that contribute to NIL are idiots. I say based on some of these posts that some posters are idiots. There is a difference. As I said before, if you want to give then give. If you don?t then don?t. Simple as that but making post after post about NiL and how the average fan needs to give more and then land blasting someone who doesn?t, man talking about missing the boat.

That a way to create a wedge in an already split fan base. Wow just wow.

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I read this to say you give to athletics/bulldog club but refuse to give to NIL. What is the difference? Going forward, NlL will be largely funded by the bulldog club/university.

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

Believe what you want, i am not sure who you think you are by telling people what to do with their fandom. Put the drink down, step away from the keyboard and go out for a jog. Relax and let out some of that type B testosterone or type A estrogen, you need a release

NIL and the attitudes of the players is what is crippling Mississippi State you don’t just give more to a spoiled brat. Maybe you never learned that

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I am a Mississippi State fan doing everything in his power to keep us relevant. You are not. I will continue to give my money to “spoiled brats”. Some of the “spoiled brats” that I have given to in the past worked out pretty well. You can watch them on Sundays. Then again, they pay players in that league too so you have probably never watched.

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

Wasn’t there a thread last week about firing Selmon? Some of y’all need to make up your minds.

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That is the only logical thing.

Shitty hire in Football that made shitty coordinator hires. Did not rectify our baseball situation. Our media department (athletics) is that of a d3 school. Our rival is about to make the College Football playoff because they made the RIGHT hires. There is little to no excitement around the program. It all starts at the top. Not entirely Selmon's fault, Keenum is to blame as well.

Until those issues are fixed. I will not give money for them to piss away. Money will not fill gaps for our defense. It will not teach Lebby how to run a program. We have turned into a training ground for coordinators to fail and only the people making the hires are responsible for that, but we expect the fans to "pony up and pay". Unreal.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

The plan is in place. Come Monday December 2, it will be implemented. Transfers, staff changes, positions added, and more. The plan is already there. We just needed the money to execute it and we have that. Some of it is the 8 million. The other part is a very large donation to the BI

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If this is true, I will be thrilled. I have no reason to believe this though given their track record. I hope I am wrong.

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

Take a step back from the ledge, you will really be crying if this guy and his wife did that??very foolish remark. Pretty sure he accounts for about 20-30 percent of annual donations but yeah let him go.

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I, nor anyone else, will be. No one gives a flying 17 about annual donations. All we care about is the Bulldog Initiative. And that is from the AD on down. I can personally guarantee if he pulls his donation, which we have heard people say MANY TIMES BEFORE and never followed through, we will be just fine. We have already replaced it thanks to the 8 million dollar man. I mean you really think he just donated to State and not the Initiative too?

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Originally Posted by confucius say

I read this to say you give to athletics/bulldog club but refuse to give to NIL. What is the difference? Going forward, NlL will be largely funded by the bulldog club/university.

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Giving to the university is one thing. Directly paying players that don’t earn it and have the attitudes they do on the field does not justify the payment. NFL players are not paid directly by the fans. Revenue from fans pays the owner which in turn pays the player. Not the same as saying, hey number 80 you played really good in high school. Take this 5k and play for my school. I didn’t agree with paying players then and I don’t now.

Going forward being paid by bulldog club would be vastly different than paying directly to a kid. When and if that happens not hypothetically that bridge will be crossed then.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I, nor anyone else, will be. No one gives a flying 17 about annual donations. All we care about is the Bulldog Initiative. And that is from the AD on down. I can personally guarantee if he pulls his donation, which we have heard people say MANY TIMES BEFORE and never followed through, we will be just fine. We have already replaced it thanks to the 8 million dollar man. I mean you really think he just donated to State and not the Initiative too?

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Yes I know for 100 percent fact his was paid to school and football program. FYI his quarterly to football only is almost 1.5 million and has been for the 12 years I have personally known him. He gives to all sports but slots the most quarterly to football and baseball.

He has said numerous times that if he finds out it went to NIL it was a stop payment immediately and Selmon knows this

Again you are fooling yourself if you don’t think his donations are cared for. He was asked to front CML a visit fee.

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

Giving to the university is one thing. Directly paying players that don’t earn it and have the attitudes they do on the field does not justify the payment. NFL players are not paid directly by the fans. Revenue from fans pays the owner which in turn pays the player. Not the same as saying, hey number 80 you played really good in high school. Take this 5k and play for my school. I didn’t agree with paying players then and I don’t now.

Going forward being paid by bulldog club would be vastly different than paying directly to a kid. When and if that happens not hypothetically that bridge will be crossed then.

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How is that going to be different??? You really think the University is going to pay players with their money??? They are going to raise prices and the fans will still be footing the bill.

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

Yes I know for 100 percent fact his was paid to school and football program. FYI his quarterly to football only is almost 1.5 million and has been for the 12 years I have personally known him. He gives to all sports but slots the most quarterly to football and baseball.

He has said numerous times that if he finds out it went to NIL it was a stop payment immediately and Selmon knows this

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Well umm…..it cannot go to NIL. Does this guy know that the Bulldog Initiative and Mississippi State are two separate entities??? I mean if he is making comments like that MULTIPLE times I kind of think he thinks they are the same thing. Do we need to get him in touch with Charlie to explain the difference? I think we could facilitate that.

Charlie knows him very well. Was one of his first phone calls with BI. He has made his position known.


Good day to you

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

Giving to the university is one thing. Directly paying players that don’t earn it and have the attitudes they do on the field does not justify the payment. NFL players are not paid directly by the fans. Revenue from fans pays the owner which in turn pays the player. Not the same as saying, hey number 80 you played really good in high school. Take this 5k and play for my school. I didn’t agree with paying players then and I don’t now.

Going forward being paid by bulldog club would be vastly different than paying directly to a kid. When and if that happens not hypothetically that bridge will be crossed then.

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I get what you are saying and I know many who give to the NIL also don't like the structure. The reason though, to use your analogy of waiting to cross that bridge when it happens, whatever form / reform this morphs into, we can't wait to have the infrastructure already built. To cross whatever bridge is in our way down the road, we can't wait until the bridge is built. We have to have the surrounding infrastructure built beforehand. Waiting to cross a bridge to decide what to do is not an option anymore. And what we have done too many times in the past.

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

Charlie knows him very well. Was one of his first phone calls with BI. He has made his position known.


Good day to you

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Then that guy should know it is illegal, federally, to misappropriate funds to an outside entity. Like the fact that he had to tell someone to not send his donation to Mississippi State to the Bulldog Initiative is weird. Pretty sure we are not operating in bad faith.

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Originally Posted by cheewgumm

I spent $13 yesterday at McDonalds.

Just for me.

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Biggie Bag at Wendys, Double stack, chicken nuggets, fries and a drink for $5. Lunch of champions, lol!

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

I love how some of you guys think you can put your heads in the sand until this "straightens out". That could take years, if ever.

I think the whole NIL deal is ****ing stupid. But, it's the reality we have to deal with. Adapt or die.

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This is pretty much it in a nutshell.

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Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh

Can we get Sarah McLachlan to record a commercial like she did for the ASPCA to play on the jumbotron and tv spots?

"Hello, I'm Sarah McLachlan," she says to the camera in the new ad. "For just dollars a day, you can help athletes without a starting spot find a home." Instead of shots of sad dogs, you replace with photos of random non-descriptive athletes in various uniforms...

In the arms of an angel... it would be hilarious!!!

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No one would be able to hear it because our sound system still sucks

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

No one would be able to hear it because our sound system still sucks

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DAMN.......You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to BrunswickDawg again.

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Originally Posted by Brobi-wan

Deal. Pick you up at 8 on Saturday?

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I'll wear my Walmart best.

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

Food prices are up 20-30%. Normal people are running up credit card debt just to buy beef and eggs. But let's ask them to pay an extra $40 a month so our university can pay 17-22 year old mercenaries to play football. Why didn't anyone else come up with that brilliant solution? Genius, you are.

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The reason they want "the mob", as I think the Romans called the regular folks, to pay for NIL is so the coaches, admins, ESPN talking heads (like Saban), and Disney/ESPN Execs can keep making their millions. And so schools can cycle thru coaches every 2 or 3 years and be able to afford many millions of dollars of buyouts ... Plus bigger coaching salaries. Like Auburn does every 2 years or so.

The players are an issue but in the big scheme ... They're a nit.

Bread and circuses. Barely paying attention to it now. Enjoyed it while it lasted.

Did anyone listen to the Walker Jones segment on Bo Bounds today? Give it a listen.

He acknowledges OM NIL payout for this football team is $12-13MM. He says if you're not spending $9-10MM, you won't have top 25 talent. He says NIL demands are going up every year.

He talks about the House v NCAA settlement.

He says UK baseball spent about $350k on the baseball NIL last year. No idea how he knows that. He said you can spend less $1MM and have a competitive baseball team.

It was informative and ridiculous to me. I dnk how any school scraps together $10-12MM for football NIL each year. Sounds crazy

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Originally Posted by MBDawg601

That is the only logical thing.

Shitty hire in Football that made shitty coordinator hires. Did not rectify our baseball situation. Our media department (athletics) is that of a d3 school. Our rival is about to make the College Football playoff because they made the RIGHT hires. There is little to no excitement around the program. It all starts at the top. Not entirely Selmon's fault, Keenum is to blame as well.

Until those issues are fixed. I will not give money for them to piss away. Money will not fill gaps for our defense. It will not teach Lebby how to run a program. We have turned into a training ground for coordinators to fail and only the people making the hires are responsible for that, but we expect the fans to "pony up and pay". Unreal.

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Sound like you've given up and if you don't want to give in a time that's critical then why get on the message board

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Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen

Did anyone listen to the Walker Jones segment on Bo Bounds today? Give it a listen.

He acknowledges OM NIL payout for this football team is $12-13MM. He says if you're not spending $9-10MM, you won't have top 25 talent. He says NIL demands are going up every year.

He talks about the House v NCAA settlement.

He says UK baseball spent about $350k on the baseball NIL last year. No idea how he knows that. He said you can spend less $1MM and have a competitive baseball team.

It was informative and ridiculous to me. I dnk how any school scraps together $10-12MM for football NIL each year. Sounds crazy

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I'd like to know about basketball. Maybe we need to dump our money there for now.

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Originally Posted by TheLostDawg

Sound like you've given up and if you don't want to give in a time that's critical then why get on the message board

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Did you read my post?

If you think our Athletic department is doing good work, I do not know what to tell you.

Let me blindly give to people that have no clue what they're doing. That's smart.

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Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen

Did anyone listen to the Walker Jones segment on Bo Bounds today? Give it a listen.

He acknowledges OM NIL payout for this football team is $12-13MM. He says if you're not spending $9-10MM, you won't have top 25 talent. He says NIL demands are going up every year.

He talks about the House v NCAA settlement.

He says UK baseball spent about $350k on the baseball NIL last year. No idea how he knows that. He said you can spend less $1MM and have a competitive baseball team.

It was informative and ridiculous to me. I dnk how any school scraps together $10-12MM for football NIL each year. Sounds crazy

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The rerun was on this morning. That was a fascinating segment. I encourage others to go listen to it. And he also said $5 million gets you a championship level basketball team.

He said OM has a department that is solely for portal evaluation. This Saturday they will be in the booth looking at UK players to possibly target in December if they hit the portal.

Depending on what business you work in, these things Ole Miss is doing sound like common sense.

Not sure if we are doing these things, but they are apparently treating this like they are running a business ( which they are).

Kudos to them. If we are not doing this, we have to catch up. Simple things to do, but hvae to put the plan in place, if it's not already.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

The reason they want "the mob", as I think the Romans called the regular folks, to pay for NIL is so the coaches, admins, ESPN talking heads (like Saban), and Disney/ESPN Execs can keep making their millions. And so schools can cycle thru coaches every 2 or 3 years and be able to afford many millions of dollars of buyouts ... Plus bigger coaching salaries. Like Auburn does every 2 years or so.

The players are an issue but in the big scheme ... They're a nit.

Bread and circuses. Barely paying attention to it now. Enjoyed it while it lasted.

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Love (Not) hearing HC's making multi-millions, who can leave for a higher paying gig about at will take a joke of morale high ground on how bad NIL/Portal is. Saben is also a hypocrite as he got out because he could no longer stack 4 or 5 years of recruiting classes of 4 and 5 stars who had to wait their turn to see the field, Greed of NCAA also a big problem. This has been coming for decades. At least NFL has contracts and salary caps which college game must implement. Education now really means little to most of these players whom are "sure" they will go Pro. Without contracts and salary caps, we will have maybe 15 teams fighting for the playoffs, Globetrotters, and the rest the Washington Generals as regular season opposition.

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Originally Posted by cheewgumm

Depending on what business you work in, these things Ole Miss is doing sound like common sense.

Not sure if we are doing these things, but they are apparently treating this like they are running a business ( which they are).

Kudos to them. If we are not doing this, we have to catch up. Simple things to do, but hvae to put the plan in place, if it's not already.

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Hard to say our evaluation of our past 53 member portal class went very well, SEC talent wise. Seeing claims portal was already picked over when current staff got here. If so, hope we didn't spend much on this bunch which has been compounded by our "Not Ready For Primetime" coaching staff to date! Even teams of the Shira years, Pharr, Smith, Milner, Lewis... had some talented players fun to watch even while losing big time. Not this bunch at all. JMO.

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

Giving to the university is one thing. Directly paying players that don?t earn it and have the attitudes they do on the field does not justify the payment. NFL players are not paid directly by the fans. Revenue from fans pays the owner which in turn pays the player. Not the same as saying, hey number 80 you played really good in high school. Take this 5k and play for my school. I didn?t agree with paying players then and I don?t now.

Going forward being paid by bulldog club would be vastly different than paying directly to a kid. When and if that happens not hypothetically that bridge will be crossed then.

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It's already happening. All over the country. Universities (the athletic arm like the bulldog club for us or twelfth man for Aggie) are funding collectives. Not saying we have been doing this. But others have and it's the future.

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Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen

Did anyone listen to the Walker Jones segment on Bo Bounds today? Give it a listen.

He acknowledges OM NIL payout for this football team is $12-13MM. He says if you're not spending $9-10MM, you won't have top 25 talent. He says NIL demands are going up every year.

He talks about the House v NCAA settlement.

He says UK baseball spent about $350k on the baseball NIL last year. No idea how he knows that. He said you can spend less $1MM and have a competitive baseball team.

It was informative and ridiculous to me. I dnk how any school scraps together $10-12MM for football NIL each year. Sounds crazy

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It was a good interview.
I didn't quite understand him to say that OM definitely spent 12-13 million. He said it was in that ballpark and then said you have to be close to 10 million to be a real competitor. So my guess is they spent closer to 10 than 12.

Revenue sharing is going to help football. Basketball and baseball will still be a lot of NIL.

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Love (Not) hearing HC's making multi-millions, who can leave for a higher paying gig about at will take a joke of morale high ground on how bad NIL/Portal is. Saben is also a hypocrite as he got out because he could no longer stack 4 or 5 years of recruiting classes of 4 and 5 stars who had to wait their turn to see the field, Greed of NCAA also a big problem. This has been coming for decades. At least NFL has contracts and salary caps which college game must implement. Education now really means little to most of these players whom are "sure" they will go Pro. Without contracts and salary caps, we will have maybe 15 teams fighting for the playoffs, Globetrotters, and the rest the Washington Generals as regular season opposition.

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Yep.
Saban's always been a hypocrite and lobbyist.
Kids ain't got time to get beneficial degrees that are pretty difficult.
They spend all their out of practice time watching game film or getting treatments.
Throw in a social life too and they ain't got time.
A beneficial degree plus football is probably about 80 or more hours a week.
My nephew got a Mechanical Engineering degree while being on the football practice and game management crew.
Bout killed him ... he was spending 40+ just on football.

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Originally Posted by cheewgumm

If we are gonna get back to the innocence players not getting paid , can the colleges forego the 100 trillion dollars they are making o. tv. Contracts?

Or is that still ok?

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That's it right there. You want me to pay some athlete to play a sport while the schools make $100m on it said athlete. Nah, I'm out. I'd rather pay taxes.

I'll add something else.
I believe they just increased schollys to 100 or more.
How is that helping "parity"??
Now the blue blood schools can gobble up ALL the 4 and 5* players.
Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, I believe they are trying to squeeze out MSU and other schools like us.
So ... outside of my subscription to Dish and paying for ESPN/SEC network (for the near term), I ain't giving/contributing one red cent.
I'm starting to hope the whole house of cards comes crumbling down on their heads.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

I'll add something else.
I believe they just increased schollys to 100 or more.
How is that helping "parity"??
Now the blue blood schools can gobble up ALL the 4 and 5* players.
Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, I believe they are trying to squeeze out MSU and other schools like us.
So ... outside of my subscription to Dish and paying for ESPN/SEC network (for the near term), I ain't giving/contributing one red cent.
I'm starting to hope the whole house of cards comes crumbling down on their heads.

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And this is the problem we're trying to combat within our own damn fanbase. Half of our fans waiting on a prayer and a hope that this goes away. IT'S NOT. IT NEVER WILL. The system could collapse but players will always be getting paid. And they always have. The difference is now that the common fan can help. This is what most fan bases have bought in to. They understand that the big boosters can't be bled dry for everything. So they help where they can. Whether that is $25/month or $250/quarter. The only thing squeezing out Mississippi State is our own fanbase.