Is it time to fire Zach Selmon?

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

I saw a coach without players on either side outside of WR and maybe QB & Isaac Smith. I think he screwed the pooch with his defensive staff but the biggest problem there might be the guy State people pushed on him. He's got to find a DC and better staff.
That OL is pitiful. Bunch of weak G5 guys. Also think it takes time to get your system in place and said before the season I just hoped it would click by mid year. We all thought the OL would be solid and we were wrong. RB position is like three blind mice too and I'm not even getting into defense because we said before the season is was a dumpster fire. Hard to blame Lebby 3 games in. He's go to get the players and then we'll see.

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gree with you.
I just have to add, IMO, It wasn't talent issue Saturday night, it was Jason Candle coaching circles around us, and having a Toledo team that was mentally tougher and have a culture in place. Our coaching staff are about to get turned every which way when going against elite coaches this season.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

So to answer the original question: No. It's not even close to time to have the discussion of do you need to fire Selmon. He has done incredible with what he was provided, which was a bloated athletic dept with a bunch of lifelong staffers just collecting a check. He took a year to observe the dept and then started handing out pink slips and bringing in his people. That's what has happened with the hires of Joe Bailey, Tom Greene, Josh McCowan, and Terry Prentice. He has brought in more people but those were the main ones. I don't think some of y'all realize how bad it was under Cohen. Selmon has had to completely rebuild that dept basically from the ground up. I think he kept like one main person, Bo Hemphill, and he has really kept him on the outside.

Now on to his handling of coaches, we interviewed more than just Lebby. I know that for a fact. The Chadwell stuff was overblown because he was never coming here with that buyout. Odom did want the job, but I know there was hesitation of how much of his UNLV success was Barry and how much of it was the OC Brendan Marrion. The thought was that UNLV would just promote Marrion to HC and then we would be left with Barry trying to find an OC, which was a 50/50 shot. On Kinne, he lobbied hard for the job but he had been a FBS HC for one year and zero years outside the state of Texas. A lot of people believe when McGuire is let go at TTU or Arranda at Baylor that Kinne would crawl on broken glass to have a P4 Texas HC job. Same as Jeff Traylor. Lebby wanted the job, presented a comprehensive plan for how he woud BUILD AND MAINTAIN us, what he learned from Kiffin, etc. We bought the plan.

On facilities, I mean he's trying to get us up to snuff on that. Unfortunately when all your funds were put towards baseball and the sports that don't turn a profit , it's a bit difficult to get some of that back. So we've had to push MUCH NEEDED projects. Selmon is still pissed about The Hump "renovation" Cohen greenlit. The House Settlement has also thrown a wrench into things because if the Universities have to start funding NIL that is 15-20 mil PER YEAR MINIMUM that will need to go towards that.

Bottom Line: Is Selmon perfect? No and he'd tell you that. But I can promise you he is working his ass off to get us going again. Hell his work with Charlie and the NIL stuff is incredible. He's really helped build that up.

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Selmon though, is trying to get out of here, right? He is changing things, but he knows to get on with his career too.

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Originally Posted by Santiago

gree with you.
I just have to add, IMO, It wasn't talent issue Saturday night, it was Jason Candle coaching circles around us, and having a Toledo team that was mentally tougher and have a culture in place. Our coaching staff are about to get turned every which way when going against elite coaches this season.

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I think the OL is creating our offensive problems more than anything. You can't run your offense if nobody can block it. Shapen was getting killed because our C was getting shoved up is butt all night and LT is awful. We've tried to mix and match that OL to work but so far, no luck. There's no running game at all and that's a huge part of this offense. The defense is a lost hope.
I honestly believe we've got the worst overall talent on defense I've ever seen.

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Originally Posted by Santiago

Selmon though, is trying to get out of here, right? He is changing things, but he knows to get on with his career too.

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He's not going to leave us except for ONE JOB. The OU job and they may be thinking bigger than Selmon when Castiglione first retires. And look, Selmon knows this is a long term job interview for him. He knows if he doesn't handle our AD well then OU will never come calling. He's way more motivated than people have apparently made their own conclusions to. Also, for an AD, Castiglione is pretty young. I mean he's only 66. He's probably got AT LEAST 6-7 more years of doing it.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

This is exactly what needs to happen. Our people have zero clue. It's insane. I just hope our people aren't like "we can't go back to the interlocking MSU because we just started with the script State."

I've never seen an organization that treats their fans like trash as much as MSU football does. On so many different levels.

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It goes both ways. A lot of MSU fans are trash. At least the message board mouth breathers. Take this thread as example #1. Blaming Selmon for our current situation and saying the baseball program is trash are laughable.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

So to answer the original question: No. It's not even close to time to have the discussion of do you need to fire Selmon. He has done incredible with what he was provided, which was a bloated athletic dept with a bunch of lifelong staffers just collecting a check. He took a year to observe the dept and then started handing out pink slips and bringing in his people. That's what has happened with the hires of Joe Bailey, Tom Greene, Josh McCowan, and Terry Prentice. He has brought in more people but those were the main ones. I don't think some of y'all realize how bad it was under Cohen. Selmon has had to completely rebuild that dept basically from the ground up. I think he kept like one main person, Bo Hemphill, and he has really kept him on the outside.

Now on to his handling of coaches, we interviewed more than just Lebby. I know that for a fact. The Chadwell stuff was overblown because he was never coming here with that buyout. Odom did want the job, but I know there was hesitation of how much of his UNLV success was Barry and how much of it was the OC Brendan Marrion. The thought was that UNLV would just promote Marrion to HC and then we would be left with Barry trying to find an OC, which was a 50/50 shot. On Kinne, he lobbied hard for the job but he had been a FBS HC for one year and zero years outside the state of Texas. A lot of people believe when McGuire is let go at TTU or Arranda at Baylor that Kinne would crawl on broken glass to have a P4 Texas HC job. Same as Jeff Traylor. Lebby wanted the job, presented a comprehensive plan for how he woud BUILD AND MAINTAIN us, what he learned from Kiffin, etc. We bought the plan.

On facilities, I mean he's trying to get us up to snuff on that. Unfortunately when all your funds were put towards baseball and the sports that don't turn a profit , it's a bit difficult to get some of that back. So we've had to push MUCH NEEDED projects. Selmon is still pissed about The Hump "renovation" Cohen greenlit. The House Settlement has also thrown a wrench into things because if the Universities have to start funding NIL that is 15-20 mil PER YEAR MINIMUM that will need to go towards that.

Bottom Line: Is Selmon perfect? No and he'd tell you that. But I can promise you he is working his ass off to get us going again. Hell his work with Charlie and the NIL stuff is incredible. He's really helped build that up.

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I am in no way advocating the firing of Selmon. I do not know what he has done or not done. I am not in the inner circle of MSU athletic department, I am not one of the cigar boys, I am simply just a proud alum and very low tier Bulldog club member and football season ticket holder for many years and my type fan are VASTLY in the majority of the MSU fan base. One of my major gripes with Selmon and Lebby is that they are no where to tell us fans what their visions are. No radio interviews or very few here in central Ms and an another fan said anything MSU on the Ms coast is nonexistent. They not only have to do hard work inside athletic dept. but also have to reach out to the fan base and extoll to everyone by whatever means that what their vision is and will be. They HAVE to give the fan base hope and belief that this this current crap show will not be tolerated and will be fixed. If they dont get off their asses and rally the fan base then we are going to lose a lot of people. Me being one!

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Originally Posted by gtowndawg

I will say this, I absoutely thought Jamie Chadwell was going to be our coach. If you guys recall a poster named Farmdog said it was happening. I personally know Farmdog and I know he knows Chadwells agent. I also have family connections with Chadwell's agent. I thought he was our guy too but something fell apart. It could have been on our side or his side, I honestly don't know. Either way, doesn't matter now, we have to play the ball where it lies and worry about corrections moving forward. I'm not totally giving up on Lebby but Saturday looked to me like someone that doesn't know what to do.

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He was not coming here.

We are a bottom 10 job in the power 4. Any up and coming sitting head coach having real success is not coming here unless they have skeletons in the closet or have been turned down/looked over for other jobs, just reality. We have a history of sucking and it is very likely that if you come here and cannot win, which is most likely, your head coaching career at a major college football program is over.

Lebby had been looked over for years as an OC so he finally got his shot and took it. Chadwell was as absolute pipe dream.

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Originally Posted by Santiago

That reminds me last year, Bo Bounds was saying something along the lines that he thought we should look at Odom, and a couple other good coaches and he had reservations about Lebby with lack of HC experience.
Not that I listen to the show that much, but man looking back he was right on that one.

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You mean the DC that allowed Mike Leach to torch him ? I'll pass.... for all the disgruntlement here understand that this is going to take some time ... just firing everyone isn't the answer

Fire Bully the mascot. And Bully the dog. Fire the groundskeeper. Jesus. Zac should be the last person standing on a scorched earth campus.

Fire them all, coaches, players, administration, faculty, students and fans. Then we can import coaches, players, administration, faculty, students and fans from the school of our choice! Or maybe we can mix and match, take coaches from school A, players from school B and on and on! **

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

He's not going to leave us except for ONE JOB. The OU job and they may be thinking bigger than Selmon when Castiglione first retires. And look, Selmon knows this is a long term job interview for him. He knows if he doesn't handle our AD well then OU will never come calling. He's way more motivated than people have apparently made their own conclusions to. Also, for an AD, Castiglione is pretty young. I mean he's only 66. He's probably got AT LEAST 6-7 more years of doing it.

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He'd leave for just about any P4 job

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Bo is one of the ones saying Odom was begging for the job. He wanted to be a HC in the SEC again. Bo says we never interviewed him or even returned a call to his agent. If that's true it's a travesty. Odom is a good coach. Of course he's not elite but who the **** is these days. I think some of our boosters are too hung up on finding a Kiffin.

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Isn?t Odom a defensive guy? Think everyone at the time was wanting an offensive minded head coach, but I could be mistaken. I think we were wanting someone in the mold of Mullen, proven offensive coordinator.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Yeah, I thought maybe 6-6 if we were lucky but probably 5-7 because of the defense. Man, we are horrible. This is Jackie's last year bad.

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"One can only hope so Jack!"

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Originally Posted by Bdawg

Isn?t Odom a defensive guy? Think everyone at the time was wanting an offensive minded head coach, but I could be mistaken. I think we were wanting someone in the mold of Mullen, proven offensive coordinator.

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Yeah, but he's a proven head coach that's 3-0 at UNLV right now. Mullen was lightning in a bottle. We got extremely lucky hiring him.

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Originally Posted by Bdawg

Isn?t Odom a defensive guy? Think everyone at the time was wanting an offensive minded head coach, but I could be mistaken. I think we were wanting someone in the mold of Mullen, proven offensive coordinator.

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It would have been a solid hire if he brought a good OC with him.

We have no choice now but to support Lebby's decisions on the team. All this talk about firing him after year 1 is stupid and not going to happen and will be worse for the program.

If I was Selmon I might consider hiring a NIL talent evaluator to take a money ball approach.

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Originally Posted by memsu06

It would have been a solid hire if he brought a good OC with him.

We have no choice now but to support Lebby's decisions on the team. All this talk about firing him after year 1 is stupid and not going to happen and will be worse for the program.

If I was Selmon I might consider hiring a NIL talent evaluator to take a money ball approach.

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We have a group of people that handles that already

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Yeah, but he's a proven head coach that's 3-0 at UNLV right now. Mullen was lightning in a bottle. We got extremely lucky hiring him.

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Well you are hindsighting some with the 3-0 this year. Where has he been HC before? I can’t remember. And for as Mullen, I’m just saying I think everyone wanted an “offensive” guy and wanted some kind of excitement on the field. But boy it’s been an awful start and there is not much we can do to change it now. Got to play with who is on the team. I cant say it’s a scheme problem yet on offense because the OL is so horrible no offense could be successful. Defense may be another story, although the players on D are playing awful too.

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Originally Posted by memsu06

It would have been a solid hire if he brought a good OC with him.

We have no choice now but to support Lebby's decisions on the team. All this talk about firing him after year 1 is stupid and not going to happen and will be worse for the program.

If I was Selmon I might consider hiring a NIL talent evaluator to take a money ball approach.

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Definitely can’t fire Lebby. Got to give him a chance. But like you said, “if” he could bring in a good coordinator, he may would be fine. Guess you just never know. Just like Lebby. Really wish we would waited on Durkin, if he would have taken it. May not have panned out but at least he was experienced.

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Originally Posted by memsu06

It would have been a solid hire if he brought a good OC with him.

We have no choice now but to support Lebby's decisions on the team. All this talk about firing him after year 1 is stupid and not going to happen and will be worse for the program.

If I was Selmon I might consider hiring a NIL talent evaluator to take a money ball approach.

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Yeah but that?s real easy to say in hindsight. If Odom had come here and gone 1-2 to start everyone would?ve flipped out wondering why we didn?t hire an offensive mind like Lebby. Fact is most coaching searches are a crapshoot in terms of who pans out and who doesn?t

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

So to answer the original question: No. It's not even close to time to have the discussion of do you need to fire Selmon. He has done incredible with what he was provided, which was a bloated athletic dept with a bunch of lifelong staffers just collecting a check. He took a year to observe the dept and then started handing out pink slips and bringing in his people. That's what has happened with the hires of Joe Bailey, Tom Greene, Josh McCowan, and Terry Prentice. He has brought in more people but those were the main ones. I don't think some of y'all realize how bad it was under Cohen. Selmon has had to completely rebuild that dept basically from the ground up. I think he kept like one main person, Bo Hemphill, and he has really kept him on the outside.

Now on to his handling of coaches, we interviewed more than just Lebby. I know that for a fact. The Chadwell stuff was overblown because he was never coming here with that buyout. Odom did want the job, but I know there was hesitation of how much of his UNLV success was Barry and how much of it was the OC Brendan Marrion. The thought was that UNLV would just promote Marrion to HC and then we would be left with Barry trying to find an OC, which was a 50/50 shot. On Kinne, he lobbied hard for the job but he had been a FBS HC for one year and zero years outside the state of Texas. A lot of people believe when McGuire is let go at TTU or Arranda at Baylor that Kinne would crawl on broken glass to have a P4 Texas HC job. Same as Jeff Traylor. Lebby wanted the job, presented a comprehensive plan for how he woud BUILD AND MAINTAIN us, what he learned from Kiffin, etc. We bought the plan.

On facilities, I mean he's trying to get us up to snuff on that. Unfortunately when all your funds were put towards baseball and the sports that don't turn a profit , it's a bit difficult to get some of that back. So we've had to push MUCH NEEDED projects. Selmon is still pissed about The Hump "renovation" Cohen greenlit. The House Settlement has also thrown a wrench into things because if the Universities have to start funding NIL that is 15-20 mil PER YEAR MINIMUM that will need to go towards that.

Bottom Line: Is Selmon perfect? No and he'd tell you that. But I can promise you he is working his ass off to get us going again. Hell his work with Charlie and the NIL stuff is incredible. He's really helped build that up.

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Good info and I'm willing to hold judgement for a while longer. But I do think he needs to communicate vision better to the average fan out there. Especially since we are headed into some dark days in football.

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Originally Posted by Bdawg

Well you are hindsighting some with the 3-0 this year. Where has he been HC before? I can?t remember. And for as Mullen, I?m just saying I think everyone wanted an ?offensive? guy and wanted some kind of excitement on the field. But boy it?s been an awful start and there is not much we can do to change it now. Got to play with who is on the team. I cant say it?s a scheme problem yet on offense because the OL is so horrible no offense could be successful. Defense may be another story, although the players on D are playing awful too.

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He was Mizzou's head coach after Pinkel. We gave Lebby a pot full of shit and told him to make lobster bisque. It's gonna take at least three seasons for him to get rolling.

It's simple, more fans in seats regardless of the outcomes of games and more money donated if we want to be competitive. Selmon isn't the problem, it is in large part on our fans.

I remember the Mullen years many posters ragging on the students for poor attendance or leaving early. Now the only part of our stadium that looks full is the student section. If you have other interests that are more important than going to games that is understandable and fine. That being said, don't bitch/complain when we aren't competitive. Our stadium looks like USM's on Saturdays and our program is looking more like USM and less like an SEC team. We will be USM lite in 10 years if nothing changes within our fanbase.

Want better players put butts in the stands so when they are here on recruiting weekends it looks and feels like an SEC program. Nothing about the game felt like SEC football saturday, I know we were playing Toledo but everything just feels second rate including the fanbase.

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Originally Posted by BB30

It's simple, more fans in seats regardless of the outcomes of games and more money donated if we want to be competitive. Selmon isn't the problem, it is in large part on our fans.

I remember the Mullen years many posters ragging on the students for poor attendance or leaving early. Now the only part of our stadium that looks full is the student section. If you have other interests that are more important than going to games that is understandable and fine. That being said, don't bitch/complain when we aren't competitive. Our stadium looks like USM's on Saturdays and our program is looking more like USM and less like an SEC team. We will be USM lite in 10 years if nothing changes within our fanbase.

Want better players put butts in the stands so when they are here on recruiting weekends it looks and feels like an SEC program. Nothing about the game felt like SEC football saturday, I know we were playing Toledo but everything just feels second rate including the fanbase.

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It comes down to the fact that everyone is not rowing in the same direction. We have one subset of fans, and not enough, that know what it takes to be competitive so they give what they can and let the NIL folks and recruiting folks do the work. There is another subset that is vehemently against NIL so they very proudly proclaim they are not giving but bitch and complain every time we lose and say we do not have enough talent or our talent sucks. The last subset are folks who do not even know what the Bulldog Initiative is. They come for the tailgate and the social aspect of things. We have a factioned and fractured fan base. You have more people that care about a damn logo from the 90s than NIL.

That is the difference between us and The School Up North. They get it. They understand this is the new way of college athletics. They are not waiting for the NCAA to do something or waiting for their big boosters to do something. They are all giving. They are all rowing in the same direction. It is not an administration issue. It?s a mindset issue. They are operating like SMU in the 80s and we are operating like TCU.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

It comes down to the fact that everyone is not rowing in the same direction. We have one subset of fans, and not enough, that know what it takes to be competitive so they give what they can and let the NIL folks and recruiting folks do the work. There is another subset that is vehemently against NIL so they very proudly proclaim they are not giving but bitch and complain every time we lose and say we do not have enough talent or our talent sucks. The last subset are folks who do not even know what the Bulldog Initiative is. They come for the tailgate and the social aspect of things. We have a factioned and fractured fan base. You have more people that care about a damn logo from the 90s than NIL.

That is the difference between us and The School Up North. They get it. They understand this is the new way of college athletics. They are not waiting for the NCAA to do something or waiting for their big boosters to do something. They are all giving. They are all rowing in the same direction. It is not an administration issue. It?s a mindset issue. They are operating like SMU in the 80s and we are operating like TCU.

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There's a video going viral this morning on social media from an Arkansas TD club meeting. No idea who was talking but the guys said (paraphrasing) "we all hate Ole Miss but they have 5,000 (people) in their NIL and we only have 1,000"

So if Ole Miss has 5,000 and Arkansas has 1,000 any clue what we have? I'm in it and I have no idea.

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Originally Posted by gtowndawg

There's a video going viral this morning on social media from an Arkansas TD club meeting. No idea who was talking but the guys said (paraphrasing) "we all hate Ole Miss but they have 5,000 (people) in their NIL and we only have 1,000"

So if Ole Miss has 5,000 and Arkansas has 1,000 any clue what we have? I'm in it and I have no idea.

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We have more than 1,000. I know that much. But it's nowhere near the amount they have. And the kicker with their number is that is 5,000 members donating MONTHLY. That doesn't count the one time donations. Arkansas can have 1,000 members because they have people like John Tyson, John Conner Jr., the Waltons, the Stephens, the Hunts, etc. that can foot those big payments and not bat an eye. Having MULTIPLE BILLIONAIRES that you can hit up for donations is something we don't have. We don't have a billionaire alum. Neither does OM anymore. But they have Dickie Scruggs and David Nutt along with Jerry Hollingsworth to help them out. They supplement those big payments with their 5,000 members giving anywhere from $20/month to $2,000/month. That's where we fall flat. We have the Oscar Miskelly's, Richard Rula's, Richard Adkerson's, Billy Howard's, Heath Jenkins', etc. of our fan base giving big donations, but we don't supplement it well at all.

Around 3500ish but I'm sure it fluctuates

VegasSteve also forgets that one of the richest families in Arkansas (top 5) is connected to State. Vegas you know who I am talking about.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

VegasSteve also forgets that one of the richest families in Arkansas (top 5) is connected to State. Vegas you know who I am talking about.

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That I do. And since he's out of state I doubt our sit on their hands and appease the farmers Alumni Assc. or Bulldog Club has even reached out to him or know about him. All their money is going towards Arky. If we could get 15% of their annual Arky donation we'd be in the ballgame.

Per Brett McMurphy-Tennessee will add a 10% ?talent fee? on all football tickets, starting next season. This fee will go to the players, helping fund the proposed revenue share w/the players. UT estimates per-seat price increase averaging 4.5% for entire stadium.

Vegas-I told you just last night this what Selmon and Charlie needed to be doing. We need to tie seating priorities to NIL contributions and not BDC. Buy some players that can win some games and their budget will be flush again..keep losing and the pockets get tougher and tougher to get to. Heck just split the contributions for seating priority between the bdc and NIL and we?d be better off than we are. Are we better off with a broke bdc and a decent team or a terrible team and rich bdc?

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

Per Brett McMurphy-Tennessee will add a 10% ?talent fee? on all football tickets, starting next season. This fee will go to the players, helping fund the proposed revenue share w/the players. UT estimates per-seat price increase averaging 4.5% for entire stadium.

Vegas-I told you just last night this what Selmon and Charlie needed to be doing. We need to tie seating priorities to NIL contributions and not BDC. Buy some players that can win some games and their budget will be flush again..keep losing and the pockets get tougher and tougher to get to. Heck just split the contributions for seating priority between the bdc and NIL and we?d be better off than we are. Are we better off with a broke bdc and a decent team or a terrible team and rich bdc?

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I "think" NIL and BDC are basically going to somewhat merge to an extent once the ruling comes down and revenue sharing starts. But nobody knows what the ruling is going to be, so everything is a wait and see.
We've already seen some of the NIL people move over. Not sure how that Cristil Club is going operate though.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

I think NIL and BDC are basically going to somewhat merge to an extent once the ruling comes down and revenue sharing starts. But nobody knows what the ruling is going to be, so everything is a wait and see.

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And therein lies our problem. We can't wait and see. We have to play by the rules as they are now or we are going to die as a program.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

I "think" NIL and BDC are basically going to somewhat merge to an extent once the ruling comes down and revenue sharing starts. But nobody knows what the ruling is going to be, so everything is a wait and see.
We've already seen some of the NIL people move over.

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We should go ahead and strike first. What?s the NCAA gonna do? Dock us some visits and a scholarship or two? Ha okay..

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

We should go ahead and strike first. What?s the NCAA gonna do? Dock us some visits and a scholarship or two? Ha okay..

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TN can't give money to players until it's all settled either. The wait and see part is just applying to the actual settlement. Things could be ruled against that prevent things or it could open up other avenues. Nobody knows because it's a damn sandwich maker who has no clue about college athletics making that ruling.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

We should go ahead and strike first. What?s the NCAA gonna do? Dock us some visits and a scholarship or two? Ha okay..

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Second thought...I'm with Bank on this one. Keep the money in a fund so we have it when this stuff is put on to the universities to pay for kids.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

We should go ahead and strike first. What?s the NCAA gonna do? Dock us some visits and a scholarship or two? Ha okay..

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We already kind of are, the $$ are not in the same place but there is overlap. Our problem is going to continue to be if one is being funded the other is not.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

We already kind of are, the $$ are not in the same place but there is overlap. Our problem is going to continue to be if one is being funded the other is not.

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That?s why I?m saying the seat priority needs to not be tied to BDC donations but NIL donations with an extra fee for ?talent fee?.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

It comes down to the fact that everyone is not rowing in the same direction. We have one subset of fans, and not enough, that know what it takes to be competitive so they give what they can and let the NIL folks and recruiting folks do the work. There is another subset that is vehemently against NIL so they very proudly proclaim they are not giving but bitch and complain every time we lose and say we do not have enough talent or our talent sucks. The last subset are folks who do not even know what the Bulldog Initiative is. They come for the tailgate and the social aspect of things. We have a factioned and fractured fan base. You have more people that care about a damn logo from the 90s than NIL.

That is the difference between us and The School Up North. They get it. They understand this is the new way of college athletics. They are not waiting for the NCAA to do something or waiting for their big boosters to do something. They are all giving. They are all rowing in the same direction. It is not an administration issue. It?s a mindset issue. They are operating like SMU in the 80s and we are operating like TCU.

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Absolutely, my favorite is people explaining what our big donors should do while also bitching about those big donors getting involved. Just shut your mouth and either pony up or don't bitch when the product is terrible it is that simple. I don't understand how dense someone has to be to not understand the concept.

This is the way the game is played now, is what it is.

If you don't like it you don't have to partake but you also can't bitch when we look like a G5 team and have a G5 fan experience. We have fans that expect our big boosters to keep the facilities up to date, cover NIL, and everything else without lifting a finger to do anything to help much less actually attending a game (heaven forbid you don't get to watch it on TV in the comfort of your living room) and then we complain about those big boosters for being too "involved". If it weren't for those "too involved" we wouldn't have a program at all.

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Originally Posted by BB30

Absolutely, my favorite is people explaining what our big donors should do while also bitching about those big donors getting involved. Just shut your mouth and either pony up or don't bitch when the product is terrible it is that simple. I don't understand how dense someone has to be to not understand the concept.

This is the way the game is played now, is what it is.

If you don't like it you don't have to partake but you also can't bitch when we look like a G5 team and have a G5 fan experience. We have fans that expect our big boosters to keep the facilities up to date, cover NIL, and everything else without lifting a finger to do anything to help much less actually attending a game (heaven forbid you don't get to watch it on TV in the comfort of your living room) and then we complain about those big boosters for being too "involved". If it weren't for those "too involved" we wouldn't have a program at all.

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It's a double edged sword. I do agree that our older boosters are far too involved and want to stick their nose in too many things, but I know I myself can't give the money they are giving. I have been talking with a few people trying to get some sort of out of state/younger alumni 120 club going because trust me, there's mega money for MSU outside the walls of MS that we just have refused to tap into. We also do a shit job with younger alumni so if we can combine those forces together, we may have something.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

It's a double edged sword. I do agree that our older boosters are far too involved and want to stick their nose in too many things, but I know I myself can't give the money they are giving. I have been talking with a few people trying to get some sort of out of state/younger alumni 120 club going because trust me, there's mega money for MSU outside the walls of MS that we just have refused to tap into. We also do a shit job with younger alumni so if we can combine those forces together, we may have something.

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It's a double edged sword to an extent simply because we have people not wanting to contribute to offset the amounts given by the big boosters. I agree that we do a horrible job of tapping into younger money state grads out of state etc. But if it weren't for the big donors that may be too involved we wouldn't have a program at all. Until we are matching what they do for the university nobody should bitch about how the big boosters spend their money with our programs.

Unfortunately, I don't see a current path for us to bring in more NIL from out of state as we are terrible at the social media game and other than an email once a month we don't get the word out on anything.

I get more OM NIL propaganda on social media and regular mail than I do State and I graduated from State.