He did play a helluva game vs Auburn the last 2 1/2 Q's of that gameQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
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He did play a helluva game vs Auburn the last 2 1/2 Q's of that gameQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
And maybe it was just a "I've got nothing to lose attitude because we're down 3 TDs" but I wish he would've played with it a little more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
They aren't beating Rutgers or usc. They may can get to 6.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I love how we run down our former players. Seriously guys. I want Will to look at MSU in a good light.
Other than KJ Costello at LSU, that is the best I have seen a throwing QB play in our Jersey. Will absolutely destroyed Auburn for 2 quarters and about 3 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Will had a career 6.3 yard average depth of target. The lowest in the history of the PFF college era (2014). Good luck to him. I don't hate him, he just isn't some great QB.
Appreciate what he and Leach did, but the Leach "air raid" bored me to tears. The Croom "Doom", SlowMO, and whatever Zack and Co. were trying to do are also filed away with the Shira years. Looking forward to an exciting "O" under Lebby. 6-6 floor. Hail State!
That and a Baseball L. He has good intentions. I don?t think remembering Will as an average QB with an above average coach is a bad thing. It?s just the truth. He was a great ambassador for State, stayed out of trouble, etc. If you?ve ever seen him in person you?ll also realize how tough the guy was to take some of the hits he did. He was not a big guy at all. I saw him in Chipotle a good bit and he was just not a big dude. No chance he weighs 216 that Washington has him listed at. If he does, they have him on one hell of a program.
Will will always stir up a fight...
He chose to leave. Good riddance. Did you celebrate Dillon’s natty game too? Screw that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
I know some MSU fans certainly did. And nothing wrong with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by RockyDog
When coaches leave for whatever reason there is going to be a lot of player turnover going forward. It's just how it is in this era. It's not going to end happily for every player. Will did not choose for Leach to pass away. He stayed with us one year after regardless along with many of our other players like Bookie, Jett, Tulu, etc. and it wasn't just Will that was lied to by the last staff. It wasn't their fault that MSU decided to cater to boosters friends for their last season at MSU and choose to hire people that were in over their heads and wanted to do something that was never going to work here. The truth is none of the players liked Barbay's offense and Arnett lost their respect hence why Selmon fired him.
Coaches at P4 programs do not take players that they think are G5 talent. That doesn't make any sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
That is the one thing that really confused me about Arnett. Why would you tell people that you are going to do one thing really in the interest of keeping players that don't fit what you want to do? A lot of fans would have disagreed with changing offenses so drastically and yes it would have sucked for the players to have to change schools at the time and some fans would have felt bad for them but at least there would have been respect in the form of transparency.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
MSU fans dream about him failing. They live to see him fail. In fact, most MSU fans (whether male or female) will orgasm all over themselves if he fails. They'll think they've died and gone to Heaven if he fails. Rogers really rents a lot of free space in MSU fan's minds.
Is that just our few vocal fans on social media and message boards? Whenever I talk in person to another fan, they always speak highly of Will. For whatever reason, our most negative (and usually dumbest) fans post the most. It makes us look bad as a fan base, other fanbases don't dog their own program like we do.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpaceBully
you are way out in space
You’re effing weird, dude. Nobody wants him to fail. If he does great at Wa we will be happy. If he doesn’t we’ll say, “He is what we thought he is.” With all that imagery, do you keep his senior poster above your toilet or shower in case you prefer to sit when you pee?Quote:
Originally Posted by SpaceBully
I'm with you here, and I feel like that about every player who transfers out of our program. It's just hard for me to root on former players who leave on their own will. I can completely understand players looking for a better opportunity if the playing time isn't there for them or they get pushed out but when starters leave, I never root them on.Quote:
Originally Posted by RockyDog
If you cannot understand why Will left, I cannot help you.
My take on Will: He is not as good as Leach made him look, and he is not as bad as Arnett made him look either.
Arnett's offense was like an even shittier version of Moorhead's. No QB was going to look good.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZedFedder
disagree. We had no buy-in by the QB and WR's and that made it look worse than it was. Our WR's didnt block a soul- capping it off in the Egg Bowl when Tulu got our RB hurt so bad he cant even return this season. Stupid penalties by the other WR that is now at LSU. We'll see how he turns out there. Very interested to see how Houston looks this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
Coaching decisions last year where as bad as bad can be. Terrible staff, in fact one of the worse staffs in my lifetime. We did lack talent at some positions, but we were poorly prepared and were so poor fundamentally with mistakes. Ain't no sugar coating this. I blame our staff not the players for the most part.
When the players dont buy in- everything turns to shit. It was bad all around. Players lack of effort and care makes coaching look alot worse than it really is. Thats why guys are running wrong routes or not blocking who they are supposed to at times. Or guys get thrown out on the base paths
Case in point- I called a zone right running play last season. 4 of the 5 guys blocked it perfectly and it would have hit for a 15-20 yard gain had the 5th guy blocked it the way it was supposed to. He didnt- he went left to block the DE who was wide instead of coming down on the LB. When asked why he blocked left instead of right like the play was supposed to be blocked????? "That DE called me a bitch ass Coach. I cant let him disrespect me like that"
My HS OL looked poorly coached because of things like that all season. But it wasnt coaching. It was the players being selfish and doing their own things instead. That's what I saw with State's offense last season.
Who's at fault when the players aren't buying in? Is it the players or the coaches fault? Now if it's just a selfish player here or there that wants to do their own thing that's on them but we're talking about nearly all, if not all, of the team last year looked and played like they didn't care. That's ultimately on Arnett's shoulders for not being the leader he was hired to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
No doubt that it's ultimately on Arnette. But at the same time there is only so much that a coach can do. What I saw was a team with no buy-in then a situation that got worse and worse. Arnette obviously didnt handle things very well when it starting getting bad. But if you couldnt see that the QB and WR's were not on board then you arent very observant. We were faced with the prospect of riding it out and letting Arnette re-do the roster or cutting bait to go another direction. Things had gotten pretty bad so we cut bait and I have no problem with it. Lebby has come in and rebuilt the roster after losing lots of Sr's then running off some of the problems leftover from the previous season. A new start.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt3467
Looking forward to seeing our new offense and SEC football every weekend
From the sounds of it we had a weak HC that was taken advantage of by some of the coaches he hired, Barbay and Friend being a couple of them. Can you blame the QB for not being with it when he was lied to?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Regardless at least all that is behind and we have a fresh start. I hope Lebby does well.
Thats a flat out lie haha and tulu was always an issue regardless of who the coach was. Remember it was Leach and wills fault we couldn?t get him the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Then when it?s BP and the yacht club its on Tulu? Lol you have so many feet in your mouth I bet you can taste the fungus
Well when your head coach lies and brings in a snake, you get bit. Ask bookie Watson what happened after the Kentucky game and you will get all you need to know about arnett and the yacht club.
It was the worst coaching job in the history of MS State university
I find it hard to believe, not being a coach and in the sports profession, that a really good defensive Coordinator can be such a crappy head coach. Something to me is NOT adding up here. I thought our 1st 2 games last year were OK - we won them, but something happened for the 3rd game against LSU and after. Arnett looked different, his demeanor, changed and his reaction to players and situations on the field were totally NOT him as we became used to when he was the DC.
What happened? This seems so weird to me!
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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
What happened after Kentucky?
Seems Jett will be a GA on Matt Brocks staff at UConn
I guess we gotta ask Bookie lolQuote:
Originally Posted by SPMT
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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
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Originally Posted by Matt3467
You nailed it. You can't lie to your players and then expect them to buy in. Hard to respect a liar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt3467
Ah yes. All we had to do was "Feed Tulu" and everything would be better. Remember fans that wanted Tulu to play running back? That would have been a disaster. Ironically, it looks like Leach had him in the right spot the entire time.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
It wasn't just the offense that wasn't "bought in".Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Truth is Arnett was an average at best DC who due to a tragedy was given a job he was completely unqualified for who was given a complete pass by our fans for years who blamed the offense on everything that went wrong. Arnett's dumb play calling cost us a a win in Athens in 2020. And his defense pissed away leads against Auburn in 2022 and Kentucky. We were literally being run by a high school coach by the time we were playing Texas A&M. Let's be honest- if we had a traditional coaching search Arnett would have maybe gotten an interview and that's as far as it would have gotten. His next job after MSU should have either been as DC at a blue blood or a HC at a G5 school like San Jose State where he could learn how to coach. He probably would have failed as a head coach wherever he went and probably would have been a forever DC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Extendedcab
Im curious to see how Barbay does at UH, unless Willie Fritz is running the offense.
Yes I can blame the QB. Run the ****ing offense and stfuQuote:
Originally Posted by Matt3467
Which goes against everything Will's Daddy Bucky keeps posting. If you didnt like the guy- you wouldnt go work for him. I turned down a GA position for that exact reasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Pancho
Fritz didnt run Tulane's- he gave the OC the outline of what he wanted to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins
Fritz didnt hire Barbay without knowing what he liked to run, what he is capable of running, and what his offensive philosophy was. Fritz had access to film of every game we played last year- and hired Barbay. That tells me alot. Fritz has been a very successful coach and grabbed up Barbay quickly.
State fans need to realize that sometime- "its really is you- not me"
And this is exactly why I want to see how Barbay does at UH. I think he had a lot of undeserved criticism. I liked his App State offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34