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I find it hard to believe you aren't the least bit excited over a highly-rated 6'4" guard who can shoot, exactly the type of player you were lamenting our lack of yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Agenda > FactsQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
They aren't going to be happy with Ray no matter what he does
Never want to be the man after the man. You want to be the man after the man after the man. Don't follow SPurrier, follow Zook. Don't follow Meyer, follow Muschamp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Not that Stansbury was a Saban (and not that Ray is a Miles), but look at how much discontent there has been with Miles at LSU. The only exception I can think of off hand is Crooms. He had tons of support from the beginning but just wasn't a head coach.
Winning has nothing to do with the real reason you don't support Rick Ray.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
At this point, I think that some of them are so invested in the idea that Ray is a terrible coach, they're subconsciously incapable of acknowledging that they may have been wrong and things may be about to get a lot better. I know it's early and we haven't proven anything yet, but I don't see any other reason for the refusal to recognize things that are obviously vastly improved in these first two games, while fixating on situational flaws.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
It sucks for Ray because there will be a vocal portion of our fanbase that will never ever support him no matter what... Even if we get Malik and make the tournament in his one year at the first sign of trouble they will be right back with "told you" "Ray got lucky because Malik Newman had so many ins with State and he rode his coatails he really cant coach" and on and on.. I hope Ray gets us to the final four and gives us the bird on the way to a big time big time job... it would serve some of you agenda having mfers right
If we land Malik Newman people will be crazy to not travel to at least one game. I want to say he would be the biggest recruit we have ever landed in any sport. Chris Jones was #2 in the nation, but landing Malik is a bigger impact.
I believe Ray's recruiting will resemble Mullen's, get 4 stars here and there/mix in a few 3 stars and adding depth to your team. I waiting to see us get some nice bigs to compliment our nice guards.
I'd rather stick with Ray for at least three more seasons, counting this one. We ain't gonna magically do better just by switching coaches. We've got a long way to go. Let's work together to get there.
Ray needs to get back in the middle of the pack in the SEC. WE ALL EXPECT THAT out of our program. He's had 2 time to cleanse and start building- it's time to be better.
We're 2-0 now and look improved. That should leave to some optimism. Get out there Saturday and give them some home crowd advantage. We need it
Stansbury is the guy that "followed the man". Not Ray.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
Rick Ray was also snake bit with injuries. He basically couldn't even scrimmage his 1st year. He looks like a pretty good, not great, coach that gets guys to hustle. He is now recruiting some good to great players. People need to let Stans firing go. Rick Ray didn't have anything to do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Yes -- you did. You've backed way off on the "Malik Newman is 100% not coming to MSU and anyone discussing it is a basketball idiot!!1!1" approach. Quietly -- without ever admitting you were being a dumbass. I let that one slide -- I'm not letting you off easy on the Ray hatred you've spewed in the most ignorant and indignant manner possible.Quote:
At no point in my previous post did I say we've turned a corner or am I backing off my stance on our basketball team.
So you keep telling us.Quote:
We are awful.
You should tell that to the dude you wanted to cut at last year that is currently .556 from 3 @ 5-9. We've got 4 players on this team that can shoot 3s on a pretty high level.Quote:
We don't have a fu@king POINT GUARD OR ANYBODY THAT CAN MAKE 3's!!!
Sword isn't a 3 or 4.Quote:
We are a team full of 3's and 4's.
Thomas isn't a 3 or 4.
Ready isn't a 3 or 4.
Dunlap isn't a 3 or 4.
etc...
rightttttQuote:
That's going to be real ugly real quick.
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If you're putting your eggs of hope in Sword and Ready you're in for a nightmare wake up call coming in one month.
Don't let the 7 total in the first half fool you when we obviously took our foot off the gas and lost focus -- nor the part where we were without our two starting primary ball handlers.Quote:
We are a damn steaming pile of mess. We had 26 turnovers vs VALLEY!! Butler has 26 turnovers in 6 games.
I haven't seen terrible this year and neither have you.Quote:
At least in year 1-2 we could lay blame on zero bench. Now we have to face terrible straight in the face.
It's exactly the opposite in reality. You are the one that's agenda-blinded.Quote:
There's no getting by it this year. You'll see it soon. It's so obvious and yet you still can't see it.
Another hilarious hypocrisy coming from you. I've forgotten more about the game of basketball than you will every actually know. You've yet to bring a single basketball insight beyond the most elementary, church league level. If you are pretty confident in know" -- both of us live blog a game on here -- and let the site decides who knows the game better. You'll be shocked at the outcome.Quote:
You really shouldn't post about basketball. You're highly intelligent in many other facets of life but watching a basketball team and being able to identify wether it's good basketball or bad is not one of them.
17 or more wins -- you don't talk basketball anymore. 16 or fewer -- I don't. Deal? You seem pretty sure about what you are watching, so this should be a no-brainer right?
LMAOQuote:
Originally Posted by engie
What did Stans actually accomplish that Williams didn't?Quote:
Originally Posted by MadDawg
He did win the SEC. You know I'm not the biggest Stansbury apologist, but he did have a good run, albeit without any real postseason success.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
So did Williams in 91...Quote:
Originally Posted by Intramural All-American
My point was not to take a shot at Stans -- overall, he was slightly better than Williams, his highs just weren't as high and lows weren't as low until the very end. My point was to dispel this myth of it being impossible for multiple coaches in a row to have success at the same place...
For that matter, Cohen is also "the man following the man". As is Jimbo Fisher. This whole line of thought was created by athletics depts to justify hiring failures IMO...
I have no desire to get into a pissing match about who was better between Williams and Stans. I just thought it funny to label Stans as the "tweener" of Willams and Ray.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
That's a good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Maybe you never want to be the man after the man, unless the man something something boosters daughter something something else that shouldn't be repeated, in which case, it's ok to be the man after the man, but then you don't want to be the man after the man after the man but instead be the man after the man after the man after the man. I think that fixes it...
But now that I think about it, there were a lot of people pretty critical of Stans up to maybe the year before the road warriors year, so maybe Stans was a poor man's miles following a poor man's saban.
Where was this "tweener" label you accuse me of? Or are you just seeing what you want to see again?Quote:
Originally Posted by MadDawg