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Well the hard work and relationship building probably won't really start reaping benefits until the 2020 signing class. If we don't see things taking a significant uptick to the positive due to those things then we probably won't be seeing it at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
We should’ve made it clear if they didn’t sign their spots could be filled, and then aggressively pursued other players like Lockhart and Duncan etc. We waited too long.
Seems people are still trying to figure out how to go about the early signing period. We can tell them that their spots might get filled but its also becoming clear that in the future if you're a decent player you can get a ton of solid offers after early signing day. Bigger programs get to focus all their attention on them all the sudden. I bet we will start to see a lot more players wait in the future, and it ultimately does not look like a positive for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Both are still in playQuote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Both would be committed or signed had we not waited though. Now they’re blowing up. I would’ve taken them when a couple of those guys were non-committal.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
I thought that too, but a lot of people on this board were saying, "our alumni is crazy-let them take their visits and have their fun-we don't have anything to worry about."Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
I agree with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Why would you assume that?Quote:
Originally Posted by jacksondawg
Many have said that he's been holding out for an FSU offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by msbulldog
It's two hours from home and it's the offer he's been waiting for.Quote:
Originally Posted by msbulldog
It's getting pretty old that we're the "fall-back" offer. I think Dabo Swinney has it right-if somebody is committed to another school, we don't bring them in for a visit. Also, if a kid commits to us, we don't expect him to visit other schools, and if he does, he no longer has a scholarship offer from us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
You really want that? You gonna tell Nathan Pickering to take a hike? StupidQuote:
Originally Posted by NCDawg
I was waiting on you to chime in with usual stupid post. Yeah, I'm telling him that and anybody else that commits to us that takes other visits. That's the only way you're going to stop it in my opinion.iQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg-gone-dawgs
You absolutely can?t do that with someone like Pickering. Absurd idea. And Dabo didn?t start the ?cant come if you are committed somewhere else? deal until they were in the playoffs. Oh and they also have committed players take other visits and don?t give them ultimatums or drop them.Quote:
Originally Posted by NCDawg
You were waiting on my post? Weird. How was my post stupid? If my post was stupid you are making me look smart. You are the one wanting to tell a high 4 star DL to leave if he visits somewhere else. That is one of the stupidest things I have ever read on this board.Quote:
Originally Posted by NCDawg
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Originally Posted by NCDawg
With some recruits you can give an ultimatum, but with the highly recruited kids that you want, there is no way you can tell them that. If you do, then you can probably say bye to them, or more accurately they will more than likely say bye to you.
I guess it's what you mean by commitment. My definition is commitment means your word is your bond. He can visit all the schools he chooses before he commits. When he commits, it is my opinion that he should not visit any more schools regardless of whether he is a highly recruited kid or not. If he breaks his bond, maybe he's not the type kid we need anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by yjnkdawg
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Originally Posted by NCDawg
That would be the ideal situation, but it's not reality in this day and time of recruiting. Most of these highly recruited kids want to take trips and go places where they have never been, and have the red carpet treatment laid out for them. Pickering is recruiting for us and is still committed. Now when you have out-of-state kids committed (with no previous ties to MSU growing up), and they want to start taking trips, then that's normally a problem, or can be one.
I know that. That doesnt mean we arent in good shapeQuote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
Is that really true?Quote:
Originally Posted by NCDawg
I doubt itQuote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
The part about Dabo and committed players is true. He won?t allow them to visit.
It's an embarrassment to who? You? Good lord you people are unbearable.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
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Originally Posted by Avelso
Whether he does or doesn't, we haven't blown out and embarrassed Saban and Bama in a College Football Playoff National Championship game.
That's BS I personally know a kid that signed with bama in December and Clemson never stopped recruiting him or prevented him from visiting. .Quote:
Originally Posted by Avelso
While we're talking about Clemson recruiting tactics according to 24/7 Clemson signed 14 3* star players for their 2019 class. The sky is falling! The national champs class is made up of 3 star talent.
Damn. Hits keep coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacksondawg
We're hitting a bit of a perfect storm in a bad way. A year ago whether we're the backup plan or not we get James b/c Auburn doesn't offer and Oregon isn't sniffing around some 3-star from Alabama.
Washington was way down FSU list but they apparently missed on some other guys. He was their Dylan Lawrence. I hope we thought he was a ton better than the guy that signed with Indiana. Once Washington was saying he wasn't going to sign early I would have taken the other guy in a heartbeat if he was willing to sign early.
A lot of blame on Joe, but I don't see anybody also blaming some of our other recruits for not being able to form some stronger bonds. Some of these guys falling out where together at one if not two all-star games together.
Well here's the thing. When you have to replace someone like Dan who was here and established for 9 years, the first full recruiting class is always the toughest. These kids have seen Mullen and his staff for years. Now Joe and an almost entirely new staff come in and have to build relationships in a year to either keep kids committed or try and win them over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irondawg
Unfortunately that just happened to be the year MS had its most highly rated class ever. Joe was Putin a bad spot with our expectations of how many kids he should get. I firmly believe Mullen would have gotten more MS kids because of the relationships. But I still think Joe can recruit.
Some of the things you look for like getting his QB well in advance. Shrader was done and committed to MSU a long time ago. That helps. He's made up ground and made it a battle for kids who are committed to OM and Bama. Mullen could
never do that.
Right now, my biggest issue with this year’s class is that I’m still concerned that we aren’t going to take advantage of a really loaded year when we really have no competition in state or at least we shouldn’t.
I’m not upset about any one player not signing with us, it’s that we had a chance to really take the reigns in state.
Now if we close strong, it will be solid, but I’m just concerned that we missed an opportunity to distance ourselves from a pure talent standpoint from the confederates.
Hopefully we are talking about closing strong in two weeks.
Here’s the deal with the top 12 -15 players .. it didnt matter if it was Joe, Mullen, Pruitt, Morris, ect.... we weren’t going to get the majority of the these guysQuote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
We weren’t getting Jackson or Handy period.
No one thought we had a chance at Dean, it was closer than it seemed but in the end he was never going to stay in state
Ealy and Young. I said if Young stays in state he will be a dog. That still holds true
I said if Ealy plays ball in college he will be at State. I still think that’s true
I never had a good feeling about Mingo still have a chance but I would be shocked
I thought we would get Hall but with recruiting and the way some of these kids and their camps handle it well you figure it out and look where he ended up.
Moore, just like everyone else , thought he was a lock. See above Hall
Plumlee. He won’t be a SEC QB.. I expected him to go outside the SEC if he is dead set on playing QB. And it wouldn’t surprise me if he ends up ( OM) he isn’t there long. Transfer out.
Cross , Pickering, Jarrian ( who is a top 10 player ) and Russell are SEC calibure talent
If we can pull Young and still get Moore thats half of the top 12.
Bottom line if we flip Young, and
Fill in with some out of state talent and a transfer or 2 this will be a very solid class
We aren't missing out on much with Hall and Handy either. Moore is like Handy but with talent. He's let people screw him over.
Also if we could only sign 3 players from the state and we got our pick of any 3... Mine without question are:
Pickering Cross and Young
If you want to win in the SEC you better be really good up font. These are the best 3 in the state and near the top in the country at their spots.
And we may end up with all 3
My concern is DBs. We arent getting any of the 3 committed to us in December and we are hoping to pull a couple out of nowhere
Totally understand that. I feel Collin Duncan will be in this class & then we'll see on Adonis Otey.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobcat91
Collin Duncan is pretty much a must get at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Totally agree. You're not going to win in the SEC unless you are great up front on offense and defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
Charles Cross got his 5th star on 247. Number 8 overall in their ranks.
JoMo just rang the bell...2020 Sip BoyQuote:
Originally Posted by huffy
Hes saying if the kid is committed to Clemson if he visits somewhere else then he considers them uncommitted. I think you are hurting your own chances if you dont bring in kids who are committed somewhere else thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28