THE 2020 MSU Football Recruiting Talk Thread

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

I doubt it unless he gets a Qb.

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I agree with that. Nothing he can do about that though

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

It was an all night decision for Mingo anyway we were close, not sure what else we could have done. OM had the right person in their corner, and they did what they do. He is gonna be special[/QUOT

Won’t shock me at all to see him this fall playing as a frosh .. and he is on defense there ..

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He will transfer if they play him on defense. Hes not a DB and never was.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Yep, I don't think we would have gotten either. We couldn't get Young to commit or flip to us when Baker was with us but because he left we didn't get him? Sorry, I don't buy it. And Mingo actually gave us much more consideration AFTER Michael Johnson came on staff. Mr. Green Bay did a pathetic job recruiting him but even after the switch he was just too in bed with the Confederates. Guess we will never know for sure, but I don't think we were as close on these two as we would like to make ourselves believe. Now I do think the staff we have now is a MUCH better overall recruiting staff than what we had last year. Two of the guys that left were in the NFL and had no clue what was required to recruit in the SEC and the other, Baker, is an excellent coach but probably a below average recruiter. Even swapping out Hud for Hughes was a good trade though Hud was definitely the best recruiter of what we lost.

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I know we were close with Mingo. Very close. And yes Getsy was a bad recruiter, Mingo didnt like him and Mullen recruiting him as a safety hurt us more than anything else. That and OM played their game to an extent.

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

Really want to see what Hughes has going this year. Hopefully he will stay here and try to build with Shoop and Moorhead.

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Deke Adams, Johnson and Marve are all good coaches. I have been really impressed with all of them.

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

He will transfer if they play him on defense. Hes not a DB and never was.

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DD Bowie was told he was playing WR as well.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

DD Bowie was told he was playing WR as well.

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OM has been known for telling a player, who they really want, what the player wants to hear, in order to hopefully get them to send that fax in on signing day.

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

OM has been known for telling a player, who they really want, what the player wants to hear, in order to hopefully get them to send that fax in on signing day.

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Ole Miss will do ANYTHING to get a player that they really want. As we all know.

I hope Joe figures out a way to counter that better than Dan did.

Starting with Post #445, these quotes (Originally Posted by) are really screwed up. :(

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Originally Posted by yjnkdawg

Ole Miss will do ANYTHING to get a player that they really want. As we all know.

I hope Joe figures out a way to counter that better than Dan did.

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To add on to that, they will also do anything they can to keep us from getting that player, especially if he's in MS.

I am all for blowing smoke to get them to sign.

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

I am all for blowing smoke to get them to sign.

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Yep, all's fair in recruiting.

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

I am all for blowing smoke to get them to sign.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Yep, all's fair in recruiting.

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I agree. I think we're honest to a fault in recruiting.

Yeah, I am not sure what is so bad about telling the best RB in the state that they would probably take all of Kylin's carries as a true freshman in 2019. Like, dude you are so good I am sure with a little bit of practice and looking over the playbook you will be in the starting lineup.

Or, we are after a really good player to start immediately. You have that skill level. Come to MSU, get up to speed, and take over the SEC.
Once they get to campus, they will realize real quick they know only 1/10th of what they need to to start.

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

Yeah, I am not sure what is so bad about telling the best RB in the state that they would probably take all of Kylin's carries as a true freshman in 2019. Like, dude you are so good I am sure with a little bit of practice and looking over the playbook you will be in the starting lineup.

Or, we are after a really good player to start immediately. You have that skill level. Come to MSU, get up to speed, and take over the SEC.
Once they get to campus, they will realize real quick they know only 1/10th of what they need to to start.

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Now, with the new 4 game rule for redshirting...you can absolutely tell a kid he will play as a freshman and not be lying.

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

I am all for blowing smoke to get them to sign.

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I could see how someone who has no connection to the kids involved would say that but a school doing that will do them no favors in the long run. With that kid or that high school and the coaches there.

Not a lot of respect for those college coaches openly lying to kids just to get them to sign. Its a major decision for the kid and the family

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

I could see how someone who has no connection to the kids involved would say that but a school doing that will do them no favors in the long run. With that kid or that high school and the coaches there.

Not a lot of respect for those college coaches openly lying to kids just to get them to sign. Its a major decision for the kid and the family

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Tell it Bucky, lying never gets you anything but caught in a lie. Coaches like you will learn and let the kids know, and those schools that lie will be learned and they are ruined in that school. Best thing is to be honest and gain respect with the coaches and schools. You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to BuckyIsAB**** again.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

I could see how someone who has no connection to the kids involved would say that but a school doing that will do them no favors in the long run. With that kid or that high school and the coaches there.

Not a lot of respect for those college coaches openly lying to kids just to get them to sign. Its a major decision for the kid and the family

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During the recruiting process there is plenty of lying happening on both sides. 90% of the time it works out. The kids and teams should both do their research on each other and go from there. Anytime money is involved the kid better know regardless of how good he is smoke is being blown up his butt.

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

During the recruiting process there is plenty of lying happening on both sides. 90% of the time it works out. The kids and teams should both do their research on each other and go from there. Anytime money is involved the kid better know regardless of how good he is smoke is being blown up his butt.

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If you think that 90 percent of the kids that sign are happy a year later you dont know enough kids

Not trying to make the thread anti recruiting or anti college coaches either Im just saying that is not the best way to do it in the long run. In my opinion. Lots of them do it right and Im sure some kids are open to playing another position and some may need to change

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

Not trying to make the thread anti recruiting or anti college coaches either Im just saying that is not the best way to do it in the long run. In my opinion. Lots of them do it right and Im sure some kids are open to playing another position and some may need to change

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Fully agree Bucky! That’s why I pull for guys like Dabo. It’s good to see coaches that realize they are in the position to better kids lives and turn boys into men. Those that want to Waller in the mud and lie to kids need to go be a rebelbearshark.

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

I am all for blowing smoke to get them to sign.

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I feel this way at times as well as it's certainly good for your recruiting ranking and you keep them away from your competitors, but I'm not sure it helps you win games. You win games with buy in not trickery

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

If you think that 90 percent of the kids that sign are happy a year later you dont know enough kids

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Read.

I said works out I didn't say happy kids. The kids get a reality check when they realize their talent is equal to everyone else's and they have to work just to be recognized. I played football in the SEC and been apart of the recruiting process so I'd know more than you would on the subject.

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Read.

I said works out I didn't say happy kids. The kids get a reality check when they realize their talent is equal to everyone else's and they have to work just to be recognized. I played football in the SEC and been apart of the recruiting process so I'd know more than you would on the subject.

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Ok

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Originally Posted by msudawglb

Now, with the new 4 game rule for redshirting...you can absolutely tell a kid he will play as a freshman and not be lying.

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With the four game redshirt rule we're dumb if we don't play them against the I-AA opponent at least.

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Read.

I said works out I didn't say happy kids. The kids get a reality check when they realize their talent is equal to everyone else's and they have to work just to be recognized. I played football in the SEC and been apart of the recruiting process so I'd know more than you would on the subject.

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Is that you Ballard?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

With the four game redshirt rule we're dumb if we don't play them against the I-AA opponent at least.

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Hell, you could tell them you are going to feature them as a starter...... for those four games.

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

Hell, you could tell them you are going to feature them as a starter...... for those four games.

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I'm all for it.

Be up front with the player a little, but at the same time sell them what is technically possible.
Everyone else is.

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

Be up front with the player a little, but at the same time sell them what is technically possible.
Everyone else is.

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It's a big difference on selling opportunity & lying. You guys are selling these kids short on how smart they are. The vast majority of these kids can see & read right through lies & BS.

Obviously a long ways to go but Deion Smith is ranked 79 in his class by 247 composite.

Anybody think we pick up a 2020 commit or two this weekend?

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

It's a big difference on selling opportunity & lying. You guys are selling these kids short on how smart they are. The vast majority of these kids can see & read right through lies & BS.

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Then how does Ole Miss sign them?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Then how does Ole Miss sign them?

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$$$$$$$$$$$

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Originally Posted by basedog

$$$$$$$$$$$

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Yeah but they could just take the money like Leo and go where they want to.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Yeah but they could just take the money like Leo and go where they want to.

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Plenty do. If I'm a WR or QB OM is still a very appealing destination. They make their recruiting living off those positions. It's the main reason also why their roster is so out of wack.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

Plenty do. If I'm a WR or QB OM is still a very appealing destination. They make their recruiting living off those positions. It's the main reason also why their roster is so out of wack.

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Why would you say that given the fact that NOW they are running a Rich Rodriguez offense that is going to be run first spread option? That's the kind of thing I am talking about. Tobias Singleton and Nick Brassell who to me were slot WR's going to Ole Miss to play for Houston Nutt and his pro-style/I-formation offense vs. Dan power spread which did feature slot receivers more.


If you are a QB or a WR RIGHT NOW MSU and Joe's offense is a better fit you. Unless you are a Pat White style QB. And yes, I do agree that we are seeing that with players like Will Rogers, Tulu, Deion Jones from Provine and probably E Jai Mason. I get that. But it's the guys like Mingo that confuse me. I think Rich Rod only threw the ball about 22% of the time at Arizona.

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Originally Posted by Doggie_Style

Anybody think we pick up a 2020 commit or two this weekend?

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I?ll take that as a No...

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Originally Posted by Doggie_Style

I?ll take that as a No...

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Nice bump

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Why would you say that given the fact that NOW they are running a Rich Rodriguez offense that is going to be run first spread option? That's the kind of thing I am talking about. Tobias Singleton and Nick Brassell who to me were slot WR's going to Ole Miss to play for Houston Nutt and his pro-style/I-formation offense vs. Dan power spread which did feature slot receivers more.


If you are a QB or a WR RIGHT NOW MSU and Joe's offense is a better fit you. Unless you are a Pat White style QB. And yes, I do agree that we are seeing that with players like Will Rogers, Tulu, Deion Jones from Provine and probably E Jai Mason. I get that. But it's the guys like Mingo that confuse me. I think Rich Rod only threw the ball about 22% of the time at Arizona.

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They can sell their reputation until they prove they aren't that anymore. These kids don't know Pat White or Denard Robinson but they moncrief, Treadwell, DK, AJ, etc. The same way JoeMo offenseis a better fit but we also need/have to show it on the field to fully take advantage of it in recruiting.

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Originally Posted by Doggie_Style

I?ll take that as a No...

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I think there's a couple kids who could but I don't think it's a situation where anyone is coming in 100% sure a Commit is coming.