They're there. They're just "Double Secret" recruits. . . . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by ZedFedder
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They're there. They're just "Double Secret" recruits. . . . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by ZedFedder
My cell phone will not allow me to rep this or I wouldQuote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
The irony in this on looking back at our weekend pitching lineups....
Well at least we're making room for TBD and our other transfer, TBD. I wonder how they're going to do the name on the jerseys?
WINNER RIGHT HERE!!!! Rep Given......Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Nah the official season has been over for two whole days and we haven't already got 628269 recruits and won 7838)&@47$8 games yet. Fire everyone and get a real recruiter in, Andy Cannizzaro. No more of this Championship winning crap coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Are... are you saying Lemonis is a good coach? And are you aware teams other than us have been getting Transfers even as they play in Omaha? We have had 3 weeks to get Transfers, not "2 days".Quote:
Originally Posted by Tater
Tater gone Tater
I'm saying I know what I'm hearing and seeing. And it lines up with what others in the know here are saying. And it's the same thing as football. Be patient. Let the process play out. We already have talent on the roster that can win a championship. And Lemonis was good enough to take us to a CWS appearance AND then a Championship, those 2 years have a little bit more weight than with the past two years. I'm willing to give Lemonis another year on a short leash. If we're 2-7 or worse to start SEC play though, I'm willing to cut bait. But pitching was the main problem this year. We keep the core of the lineup in tact then it's on that to be just mediocre and we're hosting. We were astronomically bad there this year. Again mediocre pitching and we're hosting. And we've brought in a new pitching coach because we saw there was time for a change.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
So yea, Lemonis is the best coach for State in any sport in State history. I'll stack his natty up against anything you got..
Just know that I'm going to drag my nuts all over these threads if we pull a big fish. And then again if we host. And then again if we go to the super. And then again if we go to the CWS. And then again if we win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pancho
We have had much more than just a pitching problem the last two years. This year will tell the tell on Coach Lemonis. Best coach in any sport in State history, a stretch in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tater
I got a Natty sitting at the table. What's anyone else bringing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
And I don't disagree that there was more behind the scenes. However, losing is contagious and we uprooted a huge cancerous root. Is there more? Time will tell. I drunkenly fired him earlier this year too, believe me I get it. But the right decision is another year with a new pitching coach. If it doesn't work, cut bait.
LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Tater
And Lemons recruited very few of the players that won that Natty. He's also run off the better parts of two classes he recruited. He's struggled to develop players. He's signed a lot of kids that weren't good enough too. So, here we are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tater
Natty is a natty. He beat the dead injuns. I never thought I would see the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
who are the 2 top secret portal guys he's gotten?
Mullen got us to #1 - why didn't we rehire him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tater
More of great Andy shit. He recruited the wonderful forsythe and left our middle inf in shambles. He's a myth. Period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tater
Getting to #1 =/= Being #1 at the end of the year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
One is a trophy and one is the answer to random bar trivia.
I want me a coach that can teach his players how to score on the field, off the field, in the dugout...Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Because he didn't want the job?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
Well, there has to be give and take in a promise like this. So are you willing to cut those same nuts off if you are wrong come next May? I mean back your big talk up!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tater
Don't believe he was ever consideredQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Also dead last, second to last the following year. Don't see any momentum in recruiting when other teams are landing big players, momentum. Last year I said fire fox but understood why he didn't. This year he waited too long to cut bait and that should have gotten Lemonis fired. I hope that I'm wrong. I was hoping getting a pitching coach would help us land big commits. Hasn't happened yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tater
I'd put Vic ahead of Lemonis. Vic built that team and got to the final twice and was always competitive in a sport and place that doesn't recruit itself. Head to head I'll take Vic any day.
How I feel right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
And yall said Fox is the reason why we didn't land people like Skeens last year. How do you not fire Fox if that's the case with the showing he had last year. Lemonis, if he's a good coach, should see he wasn't improving our pitching staff. I hate it but I think we just added another dead year in recruiting keeping Lemonis. Yall always say you recruit year ahead in baseball. Well we better hope for 3 good years of transfers when these classes come up.
We’re not going to get any transfer that LSU or Fla wants no matter who our coach isQuote:
Originally Posted by TheLostDawg
The bright side is that MSU is not Auburn picking up a bunch of marginal transfers.
Potentially the big players, like Burns could take 80% of someone's NIL dollars. MSU needs to bid Burns up. Make him start at 200k, knowing that LSU will want Burns dearly. But the imperative is to make Burns a pyrrhic prize.
Make Burn's NIL floor super high, then Let TAM and LSU spend huge money. The Machiavellian move would be for some noble MSU spy to "accidentally" tells Schlossnoddle's wife that "MSU is winning the SEC next year, We are spending all our money on a Jittery kid from Tennessee. People have sold their trailers, old pickups, and wife's prosthetic legs, to wrangle maybe $201K for this one player. Ole Miss has $245K but no relationship with the player."
If very good players may be had for 30K, then I rather get 7 non-Foxy pitchers, than one kid who looks super-high effort and potentially out-of-control. Imagine getting Burns for 300K and he does not pitch beyond March.
Before bidding, I would want to have Dr Andrews examine Burns for freshness.
Rings ernie.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLostDawg
I said I'd agree to cut bait on Lemo if we start off bad again in SEC play. But no one else is wanting to ante up. My point is I'm just preaching patience. People in this thread keep saying should have done X, should have done Y. Lemo fired Fox 1 weekend too late imo. Oh well. Hard not to chalk 22 up to injury luck with having the best pitcher in the nation go down. The way 21 ran and we had our best pitchers turn it up a notch late in the year... you held out hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
Some of you talk like winning a national title is easy and should be expected. Ain't nobody else done it here. If it was so ******* easy then if woulda been done. Lemo beat the dead injuns. That alone has bought him this rope. He's on thin ice next year, but yelling about the 24' Baseball season in June 23' just ain't healthy.
Go outside. Lord knows I can't because of the damn maple-americans.
them dam opinions again
Nobody is saying it's "easy" to win a Natty. Nobody is discounting what he did. We're just pointing out that he won a Natty with other coaches players and culture (ie as a manager he's great) but as we've gotten more and more into his players, his culture we've fallen off a cliff (ie he can't build or maintain a program). Since we need a long term prpgram builder and not a short term manager, he should go.
But we're really just debating timeliness here. Me and most other State fans think 2 God awful seasons is enough time to make a judgment. You're saying it should be 2 God awful seasons + early into SEC play next year. I disagree with a lot of the logic you've stated that leads you to your view, but ultimately it's not that big of a disagreement... we agree he's failing, just not on how many chances he should get to prove otherwise
Yes but with one top arm you have guaranteed win almost every Friday. That being said, as you bring up, he could also throw his arm out and all that money is wasted. On the other end you can get a hit line Skeens and he gets you to the CWS. If we do have a good staff then go get a top dawg and let the rest battle.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer
Let me say this. Just because I'm not happy with Lemonis doesn't mean he hasn't got commits lined up from the portal. I don't know what Homedog knows but I do know we've got things going with one good player. Homedog seems to think we've got a couple commits. We know 3B, OF, and pitching are a priority. There's still things working tgat could get us a gods portal. I think even a top 10 portal class. Just have to see.
This which is why I referenced Vic not only building his team, he did it in a sport that doesn't recruit ourself, have history, support and completely changed thatQuote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
If we don't get a top 10 portal class I will not only be severely disappointed and want him gone unless he gets us to a super regionalQuote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Frankly we need a top 3 portal class to hit our goals next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
No 3B. Need a bat in the OF or it'll probably be Hujsak with his .227 average.
I've broken down the pitchers before, it's something like 10 SEC innings of pitching we return and that's being generous. We need 3 starting pitchers (and it's unreasonable to expect any of Loo/Loftin/Holcombe to make that big of a jump, let alone 2 or 3 of them). We need relievers. Realistically it's about 6 innings of SEC serviceable pitching and 6 innings of well above average SEC pitching we need from the Portal.
Yeah and Gene Chizik is the best coach in Auburn history. . . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by Tater
This poker strategy only works if our opponents 1) fall for it, and 2) have limited money. Fact is a school Luke A&M just needs 1 big booster to decide he wants a Natty in baseball and then he's writing an extra $2M check a year earmarked for baseball NIL. Will that happen? Probably not. My point is that some programs have so many resources it's possible for them to "overpay" for some guys and still buy other great players too. You can't just assume that bidding Burns up to a level we shouldn't pay = it's at a level nobody else should pay either.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer
You can obly have 1 guy on the mound at a time. At a certain point of roster talent levels, it makes sense for LSU to spend $400k to buy 6 innings of 2.5 ERA pitching (Burns) instead of 300k to buy 12 innings of 6 ERA pitching (ie more the route we should take since we need so much help and to spread the NIL so we can also buy a couple position players)
Hard to pull a great class when you're in his situation. So if he does, I'll give him credit. And that's a HUGE if. A lot has to happen for that to be the case. Just saying, it's possibly still out there. Possibly being the key word.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLostDawg