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11-30-2019, 10:16 PM
ScottH

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

People are pissed but the admin isn't back down. This is bad guys. Bad bad. We've somehow managed to self impose something worse than probation. We've alienated our money guys and fan base all at the same time. I get they can tell the boosters to F-off with the TV money coming in, but the empty stadium isn't something they'll be able to recover from. I'm honestly worried that's where this is headed.

Amateur AD.
Impotent President.
Money guys who aren't nearly as monied as they think.
Alienated fan base.

What did I miss?
11-30-2019, 10:17 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by runwildjerious

If we keep him it will be a ghost town. How do they not realize this? Are they really happy with the way our team has performed the past two years?

Shit like this pisses me off. I was happy when Cohen was named AD because I thought he wouldn’t be ok with underachieving at MSU. Looks like I was way off on him.

I feel the same way, man.
11-30-2019, 10:17 PM
the_real_MSU_is_us

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Originally Posted by DDawg

Let me tell you, this is a guy who would be a coming from a major role. Has been wanting to get back into college for a while and would have 100 times the impact of Napier OR Norvell. However, there would be more questions with his hire than those two but it was a very interesting candidate to be thrown into the mix. Apparently, he has a close personal connection with someone inside the athletic department who gauged his interest which there was alot more than they could have anticipated.

So... defensive, went somewhere in LA, currently coaching in the carolinas... I looked at the HCs of the carolina FCS schools and found nothing, als othe DCs of Duke, wake, NC, NC State, SC, and Clemson, and found nothing. But the other guy said "Not a coordinator from a normal program".

I looked further, think I may have found him. does he have a tie to Grambling State by chance?
11-30-2019, 10:18 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by ScottH

Amateur AD.
Impotent President.
Money guys who aren't nearly as monied as they think.
Alienated fan base.

What did I miss?

Connect 4, you win!
11-30-2019, 10:18 PM
KB21

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Yeah no thanks. I want an offensive mind. Hell, even Saban's teams are losing after scoring 40+ these days. Defense is still important, but I want a head coach with an offensive background in today's college football

Don?t get caught up in whether a coach is offensive minded or defensive minded. You should be looking to identify the best head coaching candidate.
11-30-2019, 10:19 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

So... defensive, went somewhere in LA, currently coaching in the carolinas... I looked at the HCs of the carolina FCS schools and found nothing, als othe DCs of Duke, wake, NC, NC State, SC, and Clemson, and found nothing. But the other guy said "Not a coordinator from a normal program".

I looked further, think I may have found him. does he have a tie to Grambling State by chance?

The name was posted shortly after. You figured it out
11-30-2019, 10:19 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by KB21

Don?t get caught up in whether a coach is offensive minded or defensive minded. You should be looking to identify the best head coaching candidate.

And most of them are offensive minded/former OC's. Obviously I want the best guy...and if Saban or Smart are available come on down. I could live with Grantham with the right OC hire. But no thanks to a rando DC from the NFL. No thanks
11-30-2019, 10:19 PM
the_real_MSU_is_us

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Originally Posted by ScottH

Amateur AD.
Impotent President.
Money guys who aren't nearly as monied as they think.
Alienated fan base.

What did I miss?

We have a horrible coach that doesn't want to be here, has no incentive to recruit hard, or develop our young players, or make staff changes
11-30-2019, 10:19 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

People are pissed but the admin isn't back down. This is bad guys. Bad bad. We've somehow managed to self impose something worse than probation. We've alienated our money guys and fan base all at the same time. I get they can tell the boosters to F-off with the TV money coming in, but the empty stadium isn't something they'll be able to recover from. I'm honestly worried that's where this is headed.

Have you heard anything about Joe looking for other jobs or is he just gonna stay put?
11-30-2019, 10:20 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

People are pissed but the admin isn't back down. This is bad guys. Bad bad. We've somehow managed to self impose something worse than probation. We've alienated our money guys and fan base all at the same time. I get they can tell the boosters to F-off with the TV money coming in, but the empty stadium isn't something they'll be able to recover from. I'm honestly worried that's where this is headed.

I don't understand the admin's angle on keeping Joe.

Why are they attaching themselves so hard to him?
11-30-2019, 10:22 PM
the_real_MSU_is_us

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

And most of them are offensive minded/former OC's

Yeah defensive minded coaches seem to flop at higher rates than offensive guys do. My guess is offensive identity is harder to instill and carry on over time if you have to rely on an OC to do it, but defensive identity can be picked up from a DC easily. See Grantham.
11-30-2019, 10:24 PM
runwildjerious

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I don't understand the admin's angle on keeping Joe.

Why are they attaching themselves so hard to him?

Exactly! It is mind boggling.

EVERYONE knows how this is going to end. Why not go ahead and be done with it. The original hire was not a mistake (seemingly). The fact that he is still here is the mistake. I cannot believe John is ok losing his job because of this man.
11-30-2019, 10:24 PM
DogsofAnarchy

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Originally Posted by ILOATHEBears

You know reading all these threads each with anticipation of news of a change is about as entertaining as the ?ITS COMING? threads back in the day

I started that thread back in the day. I hated that Broussard kid got killed.
11-30-2019, 10:25 PM
msbulldog

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

John would probably do better

If that happened, I bet the Ref's would think twice before screwing us!
11-30-2019, 10:26 PM
DDawg

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I don't understand the admin's angle on keeping Joe.

Why are they attaching themselves so hard to him?

They do not have a choice at this point. IB apparently told him that it while on the outside it seemed like a fluid situation he was going to try to keep him around. After his press conference Moorhead drew a line in the sand between the admin and the "minority" of the fans that JoMo said to basically go to hell. Turns out the minority was either alot larger than he expected AND/OR alot more powerful.
11-30-2019, 10:26 PM
ScottH

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Originally Posted by runwildjerious

Exactly!
EVERYONE knows how this is going to end. Why not go ahead and be done with it.

"What should be done eventually, must be done immediately" ~ Jeremy Foley
11-30-2019, 10:27 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

People are pissed but the admin isn't back down. This is bad guys. Bad bad. We've somehow managed to self impose something worse than probation. We've alienated our money guys and fan base all at the same time. I get they can tell the boosters to F-off with the TV money coming in, but the empty stadium isn't something they'll be able to recover from. I'm honestly worried that's where this is headed.

This this this!
11-30-2019, 10:27 PM
parabrave

Well at least we are saving 75 million
11-30-2019, 10:29 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by DDawg

They do not have a choice at this point. IB apparently told him that it while on the outside it seemed like a fluid situation he was going to try to keep him around. After his press conference Moorhead drew a line in the sand between the admin and the "minority" of the fans that JoMo said to basically go to hell. Turns out the minority was either alot larger than he expected AND/OR alot more powerful.

So this has completely blown up in Cohen's face?
11-30-2019, 10:30 PM
the_real_MSU_is_us

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Originally Posted by DDawg

They do not have a choice at this point. IB apparently told him that it while on the outside it seemed like a fluid situation he was going to try to keep him around. After his press conference Moorhead drew a line in the sand between the admin and the "minority" of the fans that JoMo said to basically go to hell. Turns out the minority was either alot larger than he expected AND/OR alot more powerful.

Why would Cohen try to "keep him around"? What is he possibly seeing that implies we're as well coached as other SEC teams, and why would he be willing to support Joe against the vast majority of fans boosters, and presumably his own president? He's really willing to fight the whole world to keep a bad coach around 1 more year?

And what does " they do not have a choice at this point" mean, surely the boosters are powerful enough to force Cohens hand right

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