I was excited to see 2 new guys.. Then I saw they were not even ranked.
Any news on these 2?
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I was excited to see 2 new guys.. Then I saw they were not even ranked.
Any news on these 2?
yes, was reported last week when they committed
What sport?Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
Yea as I said the other day, this staff doesn't seem to have a very firm recruiting plan. These are guys we could've gotten in November if we needed. Honestly we don't need to be taking them at all. If you're taking guys like this then just focus on the portal. We'll see how it turns out and maybe they'll get it figured out but doesn't look good right now.
Not totally surprising with a brand new head coach in all facets. HOWEVER, if that isn?t solved, it will be a short tenure as we all know. Hope not, of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
The whole point in hiring these guys from Mississippi was because they were supposed to immediately clean it up in recruiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPMT
At least that was what I was told.
I'm going to enjoy Will's last year because I think I see where this is ultimately headed after this year.
Have you seen either of these kids play?Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I mean I understand grabbing a guy you KNOW is going to be ranked... But this seems under whelming.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I'm not a fan of taking unranked guys early, but in Mississippi, sometimes that means nothing. Wasn't Chris jones unranked?
I'm going to be quiet right now. But what I'm hearing isn't good.
https://247sports.com/Player/Chris-J...-school-34333/Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
5 star
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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Not heard a thing. Just was excited to see 2 new guys and then the let down. BUT, again...... I have not seen them.
That's after he blew up. Dan took him in summer camp or something early when he was unrankedQuote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
It?s going to be ok. Arnett is not going to be out worked. He is one of us. We did let some other voices play a big role in who we hired but that is why it?s called a program. The head coach is supposed to take input from others. If he didnt no one will follow him. One person can not do it alone. We have a good staff. We are going to be fine recruiting.
You aren't gonna immediately clean it up in recruiting in 3 months time at a non-blue blood. Ain't happening. These guys did well to finish recruiting for this past cycle and you think you guys could give them the benefit of the doubt after less than 90 days of them been together.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Cannot disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
No.. That's his HS ranking. H was a high 4 star on ESPN and ranked the 46th best player in the nation.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
247Sports had him ranked as the second-best strong-side defensive end and the 18th-best overall recruit in its composite rankings.
I think many of us will remember that Jones was a 2-star for most of his HS senior season and didn't get bumped up to a 5-star until very late in the recruiting process.
Let me speak slowly here. Rankings change. He was unranked then a 2 star when we offered him. That changed when everyone found out about him.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
Agreed. I feel confident that if we are taking kids this early, there is a reason. We have not wasted many scholarships on defense since arnette has been at the helm.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
How about unranked guys from Alabama and Louisiana?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I don't even recall Dan starting a class like this. This sincerely looks like a Croom 2005 class so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
Moreso the issue is in state targets that have committed elsewhere. It's one thing to if they were uncommitted still- but with guys like Harrell, Daniels, and Noreel White committed to other schools that's not a good look. That's a lot of guys to try to flip.
Not when Dan took him. He was an unranked prospect. He debut at 4* late in the summer and worked his way up to #2 DL overall by the end behind Nkimdiche.
Too early to be worried about it. The sky ain't falling just yet.
When the class is final tho, we better end up with at least that 5* Dlineman and maybe both of the 5*s. That is unless they don't have the grades or there are character issues or something like that. Maybe also if one goes to Bama or Gawga.
We should get a minimum of 2 of the top 4 in state guys IMO cause they all play positions we typically send to the League.
Believe he was a 2 star for a brief period. Then jumped up to a 3 fairly quickly. Then his films started getting around to the recruiting services and he blew up all the way to a legit 5 star.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
We have one of the lowest recruiting budgets in the group of 5. The lowest recruiting budget in the SEC excluding Vandy. Ole Miss recruiting budget is 3 times our budget. Our NIL is the lowest in the SEC and we spend the majority of our NIL keeping players on our roster.
I think Arnett will do well here. I think he has the right mindset, tools, and ability.
I also am very underwhelmed by the start of this class.
Both can be true.
and grass is still greenQuote:
Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked
Recruiting would be better right now had Arnett kept most of the previous staff.
How do people know the NIL allotments and who has more money than who? I thought those numbers were kind of kept secured up. Why would Ole Miss have 3 times the amount of NIL than State for recruiting? That doesn’t really make sense unless we truly do not have fans with the same financial success in life than Ole Miss? I mean I understand Bama, UGA, LSU, UF, Tenn, aTm and Auburn having more money, but not sure why we would be worse off than the SEC teams outside that group
I questioned several of our hires. Bumphis doesn't have an impressive college coaching resume, but I was told he'll help with MS kids. Friend was hated by TN and Auburn fans, but I was told he'll recruit well in state. Hughes was kept for his in state recruiting. We rehired Peterson who has instate ties.not saying any particular hire is bad, just that it's a LOT of MS recruiting logic
Like, how much MS coverage do you need before you get diminishing returns? If a kid doesn't want to come to State, having more State coaches recruit him won't change that. If a HS has no SEC caliber players, having 2 coaches pour over their game film vs 1 won't help us.
The recruiting foundation should be MS, I 100% agree with that. We HAVE to find our diamonds in the rough and get on them before they blow up. But we also HAVE to bring intakent from out of state. And if we can't bring in out of state guys AND we can't win the top instate kids, well that's a disaster.
All that said, its too early to call the staff out. It's not looking good and many insiders are alluding to bad rumors, but let's see who signs in December before we call out anyone.
Sure it would be better "right now" because they had kids they had been working on. Kids have not seen what we are going to look like schematically yet. Going forward it remains to be seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
And, with the portal, if it HS recruiting takes a cycle to get going we can always pull guys who are ready to play now.
And we will end up with a class between 20-30 per usual.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked
I guess the way the staff held together the recruiting class and the existing roster is already forgotten.
There's legit reason to be concerned. There's no reason to melt yet
Chris Jones was unranked when we took his commitment. Nobody knew about him.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
Bc it was sooo much better at this time last year right???? Just shut upQuote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Yeah. I think that falls into the "tell me you dont know what you are talking about without telling me you dont know what you are talking about" category.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Mayfield is a very good player on a (how to say this nicely) not good Louisiana 4A team.
Bumphis was the WR coach for the two time PAC champion. What is not impressive about that?Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us