I'm really liking the way we are trending with QB's

[SPDawgs]

Howard going to OM I'm expecting Dart to hit the portal, it may be after spring practice but still think he leaves. I know he plays for the bad guys but think he would fit well in Barbay's offense.

[HancockCountyDog]

I'll say this as I've said before. If we want to take the next step we have to recruit better. Scheme is secondary to the talent making it work. That goes for Leach and Mullen.

MSU needs to focus a lot more on building up our recruiting and focus less on getting some football genius to outscheme Alabama.

At this point, that all comes down to money. I'm just not sure how we compete. We have spent real money on our current team to bring back real dudes on defense and sign a couple of nice HS kids, but overall it does not appear that we are competing for portal kids and HS kids that require big money.

This whole thing is a clusterf@ck.

[msudawglb]

There seems to be alot of back and forth here about offensive strategy. It seems simple to me.

You want an offense that give the defense as much as possible to consider and you want to spread the defense out as much as possible. So, you want as close to a balanced run/pass ratio as possible. You'd want to add TE's because they can both block for runs and catch passes. Spread the field some and have a QB that can run it as well. Add in play action, misdirection, and tempo. To me, that would be the ideal offense.

[BankerDog]

Bro, you want a fantasy.

Saban pushed our shit in for 3 years. The AR didn't make a damn bit of difference. And yes, you do have to be able to pound the rock. That is football 101. If Leach had adapted his scheme to employ ground support for his air raid we would have been talking very differently about the three years under Leach because we would have been able to run the ball opening up opportunities for passes downfield for the air raid concepts.

You just gonna forget Saban pushing us in every year since ?07?? You know how OM beat him and got to those two Sugar Bowls that 34 mentioned? They beat them going over the top. In 2014 that ran the ball 32 times for a remarkable 75 yards!! And in 2015 that ran 32 times for another 92 yard performance.

You know what beats the teams? It ain?t scheme, it?s players. So instead of arguing about the scheme, we need to start getting the talent. And the talent alone in MS isn?t going to get it done. We were increasing our footprint and need to keep that up with the new staff. Because of AJ and Metcalf, MS isn?t producing the offensive skill guys that the surrounding states are.

[msstate7]

You just gonna forget Saban pushing us in every year since ?07?? You know how OM beat him and got to those two Sugar Bowls that 34 mentioned? They beat them going over the top. In 2014 that ran the ball 32 times for a remarkable 75 yards!! And in 2015 that ran 32 times for another 92 yard performance.

You know what beats the teams? It ain?t scheme, it?s players. So instead of arguing about the scheme, we need to start getting the talent. And the talent alone in MS isn?t going to get it done. We were increasing our footprint and need to keep that up with the new staff. Because of AJ and Metcalf, MS isn?t producing the offensive skill guys that the surrounding states are.

2014 OM vs bama: 32 runs, 31 passes
2015 OM vs bama: 32 runs, 33 passes

[MedDawg]

You just gonna forget Saban pushing us in every year since ?07?? You know how OM beat him and got to those two Sugar Bowls that 34 mentioned? They beat them going over the top.

They blatantly cheated in ways that are still illegal. Got incredibly lucky (qb throws up a prayer, bounces off a db's helmet into the WR's hands).

And went over the top.

[Really Clark?]

2014 OM vs bama: 32 runs, 31 passes
2015 OM vs bama: 32 runs, 33 passes

Not to mention UM won the turnover battle both years...especially 2015. Bama 5 turnovers UM 0. I don't care who you are, if you cough it up at a 5 to 0 margin, you are going to lose 99% of those games

[BankerDog]

2014 OM vs bama: 32 runs, 31 passes
2015 OM vs bama: 32 runs, 33 passes

How did I know you would come in here with your stats. Per usual, though, you miss out important data that included yards and TDs. I?ve included those below for you:


2014: 32 runs, 76 yards, 0 TDs. 18/31 passing 251 yards, 3 TDs.

2015: 32 runs, 92, 2 TDs, 2.9 avg rush. 18/33 passing, 341 yards, 3 TDs.


So I ask again-how did they win? They generated big plays through the air to win. But again they had big play WRs, the two generational WRs in MS the last last 10 years. We have not recruited well at WR to find those. They have done a better job recruiting skills guy than we have. But again, as usual, you miss the point.

[BankerDog]

They blatantly cheated in ways that are still illegal. Got incredibly lucky (qb throws up a prayer, bounces off a db's helmet into the WR's hands).

And went over the top.

Yeah those 3 and 15s in 2014 Blake Sims scrambles weren?t drawn up were they?

[msstate7]

How did I know you would come in here with your stats. Per usual, though, you miss out important data that included yards and TDs. I?ve included those below for you:


2014: 32 runs, 76 yards, 0 TDs. 18/31 passing 251 yards, 3 TDs.

2015: 32 runs, 92, 2 TDs, 2.9 avg rush. 18/33 passing, 341 yards, 3 TDs.


So I ask again-how did they win? They generated big plays through the air to win. But again they had big play WRs, the two generational WRs in MS the last last 10 years. We have not recruited well at WR to find those. They have done a better job recruiting skills guy than we have. But again, as usual, you miss the point.

The balance is what opened up those big plays.

[StarkVegasSteve]

The balance is what opened up those big plays.

You're missing the point.......still. You can be balanced as all hell, but if you don't have athletes that can take the top off then it doesn't matter. No one will respect you. There's a portion of this fan base that would rather have Vic Sutton throwing 2 yd slants to some walk on JUCO player because they're MS boys instead of the mercenaries that it takes to win.

[mo7888]

Bro, you want a fantasy.

Saban pushed our shit in for 3 years. The AR didn't make a damn bit of difference. And yes, you do have to be able to pound the rock. That is football 101. If Leach had adapted his scheme to employ ground support for his air raid we would have been talking very differently about the three years under Leach because we would have been able to run the ball opening up opportunities for passes downfield for the air raid concepts.

Talk about fantasy....

[KB21]

Talk about fantasy....

You have wing T high school coaches speaking out against the AR and passing the football in this thread. Don?t listen to them. You absolutely do not have to pound the football to win. That?s a myth that analytics has proven false.

[mo7888]

You have wing T high school coaches speaking out against the AR and passing the football in this thread. Don?t listen to them. You absolutely do not have to pound the football to win. That?s a myth that analytics has proven false.

Yup... it's quite clear... but you're not gonna convince people who are conditioned to embrace an outdated concept and find security in mediocrity..

[msstate7]

What you AR guys think about dykes going veer and shoot?

[mo7888]

What you AR guys think about dykes going veer and shoot?

I don't think he is... I think you're seeing three things here 1) I think you are seeing Dykes incorporating more concepts into their scheme, 2) I think you're seeing Briles getting away from a QB that's limited and will be able to open his playboook more than he could with KJ, and 3) Dykes isonly making this move because his OC was hired away...not fired...

In the end Briles will conform more to Dykes style than Dykes will conform to Briles...

[Coach34]

You have wing T high school coaches speaking out against the AR and passing the football in this thread. Don?t listen to them. You absolutely do not have to pound the football to win. That?s a myth that analytics has proven false.

lmao. I've never run the Wing-T and have been a Spread guy for awhile 2004. I havent run the I-formation since 1997. My last 2 offenses have thrown the ball more than run.

Nobody is saying you have to be run heavy- just that running the ball is a must for a successful offense.

[Coach34]

2019 LSU offense- one of the best ever if not the best:

PPG- 48.4
Passing 426/567 6024 yards 401 PG
Rushing 513/2502 166 PG

567 passes to 513 rushes

[TrapGame]

You have wing T high school coaches speaking out against the AR and passing the football in this thread. Don?t listen to them. You absolutely do not have to pound the football to win. That?s a myth that analytics has proven false.

When we ran the ball 25% of the time under Leach good things happened. You have to at least have some form of running game. You guys that still want to throw it 70 times a game are massively stupid.

[Commercecomet24]

There's absolutely, 100% no question in this day and age to be successful consistently you have to have a very good passing game, no question. That being said you don't have to throw it 60 times a game to have an effective passing game AND you have to have some semblance of a good running game or teams are just gonna tee off on your qb and wrs. Even Brady can't win a game when he has to throw it 60+ times.

[TrapGame]

There's absolutely, 100% no question in this day and age to be successful consistently you have to have a very good passing game, no question. That being said you don't have to throw it 60 times a game to have an effective passing game AND you have to have some semblance of a good running game or teams are just gonna tee off on your qb and wrs. Even Brady can't win a game when he has to throw it 60+ times.

And why some people cannot grasp this very simple concept makes me think they're just trolls.

[Really Clark?]

There's absolutely, 100% no question in this day and age to be successful consistently you have to have a very good passing game, no question. That being said you don't have to throw it 60 times a game to have an effective passing game AND you have to have some semblance of a good running game or teams are just gonna tee off on your qb and wrs. Even Brady can't win a game when he has to throw it 60+ times.

Agree 100%. They just think any system other than air raid is 3 yards in a cloud of dust. It's cult like

[parabrave]

You just gonna forget Saban pushing us in every year since ?07?? You know how OM beat him and got to those two Sugar Bowls that 34 mentioned? They beat them going over the top. In 2014 that ran the ball 32 times for a remarkable 75 yards!! And in 2015 that ran 32 times for another 92 yard performance.

You know what beats the teams? It ain?t scheme, it?s players. So instead of arguing about the scheme, we need to start getting the talent. And the talent alone in MS isn?t going to get it done. We were increasing our footprint and need to keep that up with the new staff. Because of AJ and Metcalf, MS isn?t producing the offensive skill guys that the surrounding states are.

In 2014 they beat Bama because the Bama OC at the time went totally dumshit and inexplainably abandoned the run game at the OM 15 yardline about to put the 21st point up on them. Then the OM pass defense won that game by giving their Off great field position the rest of the game. In 2015 well 5 turnovers at your own 20 will beat you every time/ Oh year the Bama OC at the time was Kiffen.

[Commercecomet24]

And why some people cannot grasp this very simple concept makes me think they're just trolls.

I loved Mike Leach and have watched him since he started coaching. I love the passing game, it's extremely fun to watch. Just like with anything else though when you become to one dimensional, it's one less thing defenses have to worry about. Its just like pitching to hitters. If all you got is a fastball you're gonna get hit because hitters will catch up to it at some point, you have to keep them off balance. Same is true in football, baseball, basketball whatever the sport.

[TrapGame]

I loved Mike Leach and have watched him since he started coaching. I love the passing game, it's extremely fun to watch. Just like with anything else though when you become to one dimensional, it's one less thing defenses have to worry about. Its just like pitching to hitters. If all you got is a fastball you're gonna get hit because hitters will catch up to it at some point, you have to keep them off balance. Same is true in football, baseball, basketball whatever the sport.

Exactly. This is why a lot of offensive coordinators starting using air raid concepts in their passing game, but they already had a run game to go with it. They didn't abandon the whole concept of running the ball.

[R2Dawg]

lmao. I've never run the Wing-T and have been a Spread guy for awhile 2004. I havent run the I-formation since 1997. My last 2 offenses have thrown the ball more than run.

Nobody is saying you have to be run heavy- just that running the ball is a must for a successful offense.

You will not convince AR stupidity anything on this subject. Their narrative is in concrete, end of story.

[R2Dawg]

2019 LSU offense- one of the best ever if not the best:

PPG- 48.4
Passing 426/567 6024 yards 401 PG
Rushing 513/2502 166 PG

567 passes to 513 rushes

Facts are not allowed in this discussion on AR and running the ball. BTW, LSU didn't run AR passing either.

[R2Dawg]

Agree 100%. They just think any system other than air raid is 3 yards in a cloud of dust. It's cult like

Yep. Look how much running the ball has progressed over the years. The AR did too except the version we had which was 30 years old.

[R2Dawg]

Yup... it's quite clear... but you're not gonna convince people who are conditioned to embrace an outdated concept and find security in mediocrity..

So 500 football with the AR isn't mediocrity? OK

[KB21]

Facts? Like this?
https://staturdays.com/2019/09/23/should-you-ever-run-the-ball/

[SPMT]

Facts? Like this?
https://staturdays.com/2019/09/23/should-you-ever-run-the-ball/

I like data like this but I?ve learned over the years it is context dependent.

Like the data on going for it on 4th downs, analytics in baseball, etc.

You have to consider context, because an example looking back at 4th downs and saying you should usually go for it. I think you should but you have to consider it wasn?t that common back 30 years ago so the data can be misleading simply because it was t as common. And human decisions still played a part and always will play a part.

While I like data, I no longer believe things can be reduced to percentages and numbers at all times.

[paverdog]

Do you think Barbay will go up under center on 3rd and 4th and short any? I sure hope so.

[KB21]

https://twitter.com/wkufootball/status/1615736484929339392?s=46&t=ZL_gglrmYJj_BAcrzPlo4Q

[Leroy Jenkins]

Do you think Barbay will go up under center on 3rd and 4th and short any? I sure hope so.

He will go under center and wildcat on short yardage.

[Coach34]

https://twitter.com/wkufootball/status/1615736484929339392?s=46&t=ZL_gglrmYJj_BAcrzPlo4Q

Good for him. Solid job for him to cut his teeth on and get some experience. I'm also gonna bet he doesnt run the pure AR at WK.

[paverdog]

Thanks friend, it's been so long since i've seen that at state, so glad to see it. I'd like for us to go under center often.

[Really Clark?]

I like data like this but I?ve learned over the years it is context dependent.

Like the data on going for it on 4th downs, analytics in baseball, etc.

You have to consider context, because an example looking back at 4th downs and saying you should usually go for it. I think you should but you have to consider it wasn?t that common back 30 years ago so the data can be misleading simply because it was t as common. And human decisions still played a part and always will play a part.

While I like data, I no longer believe things can be reduced to percentages and numbers at all times.

They are just posting, I won't say surface analytics, but it's not the deep dive that some others have done. Warren Sharp did a study on it and found direct correlation to passing and winning in todays game. That correlation however is not about just passing attempts. It's about the efficiency of passing yards per attempt. Those number bare out that you have higher success rate and yards than just purely throwing it a bunch. Recently Tulane beat USC because of an extremely high passing yards per attempt number. Not saying the ratio of run / pass they used should be copied but that is where the analytics are really taking offenses in the passing game. Not just purely throwing it to throw it. There are also studies showing that the play action pass is more efficient on average than pure drop back passes in many cases. Regardless if you have a good run game or not. It effects defenses, mainly linebackers. Note these were NFL studies. So I think when you adjust for talent level and risk factor of less accurate QB's and non-elite WR's, you have to adjust those number accordingly to your personnel.

[paverdog]

Sounds great my friend, I'd like to see the QB under center very often.

[KB21]

So, not only do we not wanna throw the ball, we wanna get rid of the shotgun formation as well.

[mo7888]

So 500 football with the AR isn't mediocrity? OK

9-4 isn't mediocrity....it's better than our record will be next year... and it wasn't even the AR we were building toward yet...

[Coursesuper]

Good for him. Solid job for him to cut his teeth on and get some experience. I'm also gonna bet he doesnt run the pure AR at WK.

There is absolutely no way that he was going to get the OC job here. Great for him, solid gig, sharp guy that will do well and move up accordingly.

[Homedawg]

9-4 isn't mediocrity....it's better than our record will be next year... and it wasn't even the AR we were building toward yet...

We weren't building to another air raid. It wasn't changing.

[mo7888]

We weren't building to another air raid. It wasn't changing.

Judging by the QB's he was recruiting it was.... all of them had the ability to make some plays with their feet and all of them had the ability to stretch the field because the had better arm strength.... I'm not saying we were becoming TN.... just that we only had a short passing game and we were moving towards stretching the field vertically and trying to gravitate towards have a QB that could make a few plays per game with his feet.

[MrCoachKlein]

So, not only do we not wanna throw the ball, we wanna get rid of the shotgun formation as well.

LMAO, now going under center on 3,4th&1 and running the most effective play in football is abandoning the shotgun formation.

You had a couple of good points and some data to back it, but you've strayed so far from reality that its really hard to not look at this as a troll job.

[paverdog]

I'm an old man, but it's just cazy to me to hand the ball off 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage in shotgun, when you can have the QB under center and just plow it for short yardage. Call me a running system fan, but thats football to me.

[Homedawg]

Judging by the QB's he was recruiting it was.... all of them had the ability to make some plays with their feet and all of them had the ability to stretch the field because the had better arm strength.... I'm not saying we were becoming TN.... just that we only had a short passing game and we were moving towards stretching the field vertically and trying to gravitate towards have a QB that could make a few plays per game with his feet.

Believe what you want. There is no way to prove anything now. There's a reason being able to run is the last thing he talks about when talking about his priorities for a qb.

[mo7888]

Believe what you want. There is no way to prove anything now. There's a reason being able to run is the last thing he talks about when talking about his priorities for a qb.

On that we agree...

[CoachT14]

Facts? Like this?
https://staturdays.com/2019/09/23/should-you-ever-run-the-ball/

You sure do love your random blogs with random folks.

[KB21]

9-4 isn't mediocrity....it's better than our record will be next year... and it wasn't even the AR we were building toward yet...

What song fans refuse to recognize is the fact that Mike had this offense going in the right direction. he inherited a situation with a poor culture. He did not have any receivers. He did not have a spring practice during his first year to install his system. Yet, he improved this offense from 109th in scoring to 60th in scoring to 48 in scoring this year. This year, his offense also improved in points per play. If you look at his history, it took him for years to build the offense the way he wanted it at Washington state. Once he had it where he wanted it, Washington State was a top 18 scoring team in the country. In 2019, Washington state was the 11th best scoring team in the country.

I believe the same thing would?ve happened here had we continued his system.

[mo7888]

What song fans refuse to recognize is the fact that Mike had this offense going in the right direction. he inherited a situation with a poor culture. He did not have any receivers. He did not have a spring practice during his first year to install his system. Yet, he improved this offense from 109th in scoring to 60th in scoring to 48 in scoring this year. This year, his offense also improved in points per play. If you look at his history, it took him for years to build the offense the way he wanted it at Washington state. Once he had it where he wanted it, Washington State was a top 18 scoring team in the country. In 2019, Washington state was the 11th best scoring team in the country.

I believe the same thing would?ve happened here had we continued his system.

They like to use use quasi strawman arguments and talk about this year's AR as if it were a finished product. They pretend that this was all ML wanted his offense to do when it's not even logical based on what we've seen. The AR needs two things to succeed from the QB position...1) QB accuracy (and we had that) and 2) an ability to stretch the field the field vertically. We tried that with Costello but he only had one of those attributes...and those were the two main attributes ML was looking for in a QB... We didn't have that combo yet, but we were trying to get it. It also looked like he was trying to improve the athleticism at the position based on his recruiting. As homedawg pointed out, that was the least important attribute he was looking for, but based on his recruiting, it wasn't irrelevant to him. My guess is he wanted his QB to be able to take advantage of teams that left the middle open on 8 to 10 plays a game.

That's where we were headed... now we're just gonna kill time (and hopefully still beat om at least) and kick the can down the road...

[Really Clark?]

What song fans refuse to recognize is the fact that Mike had this offense going in the right direction. he inherited a situation with a poor culture. He did not have any receivers. He did not have a spring practice during his first year to install his system. Yet, he improved this offense from 109th in scoring to 60th in scoring to 48 in scoring this year. This year, his offense also improved in points per play. If you look at his history, it took him for years to build the offense the way he wanted it at Washington state. Once he had it where he wanted it, Washington State was a top 18 scoring team in the country. In 2019, Washington state was the 11th best scoring team in the country.

I believe the same thing would?ve happened here had we continued his system.

What was our scoring rank vs conference teams that last 2 years?

Nobody cares about inflated points added in blow outs like ETSU when our starters are still playing in the 4th quarter.

We couldn't continue his system, nobody runs his system the way he ran it. It had to change because of his passing. Nobody can control that.

[KB21]

Every team that runs the Air Raid runs his system. There may be a few differences in play calling, but the base stuff and terminology are all the same.

[Homedawg]

What song fans refuse to recognize is the fact that Mike had this offense going in the right direction. he inherited a situation with a poor culture. He did not have any receivers. He did not have a spring practice during his first year to install his system. Yet, he improved this offense from 109th in scoring to 60th in scoring to 48 in scoring this year. This year, his offense also improved in points per play. If you look at his history, it took him for years to build the offense the way he wanted it at Washington state. Once he had it where he wanted it, Washington State was a top 18 scoring team in the country. In 2019, Washington state was the 11th best scoring team in the country.

I believe the same thing would?ve happened here had we continued his system.

We went backwards w almost an entire offense returning. We weren't going forward. That's like saying the stock market went up today--- no it didn't and no we weren't

[Homedawg]

Every team that runs the Air Raid runs his system. There may be a few differences in play calling, but the base stuff and terminology are all the same.

Terminology sure. Number of plays ? Not even close.

[Homedawg]

They like to use use quasi strawman arguments and talk about this year's AR as if it were a finished product. They pretend that this was all ML wanted his offense to do when it's not even logical based on what we've seen. The AR needs two things to succeed from the QB position...1) QB accuracy (and we had that) and 2) an ability to stretch the field the field vertically. We tried that with Costello but he only had one of those attributes...and those were the two main attributes ML was looking for in a QB... We didn't have that combo yet, but we were trying to get it. It also looked like he was trying to improve the athleticism at the position based on his recruiting. As homedawg pointed out, that was the least important attribute he was looking for, but based on his recruiting, it wasn't irrelevant to him. My guess is he wanted his QB to be able to take advantage of teams that left the middle open on 8 to 10 plays a game.

That's where we were headed... now we're just gonna kill time (and hopefully still beat om at least) and kick the can down the road...

Have you two ever thought that the reason cza didn't go w the air raid is because he, as a def coordinator, didn't think it was hard to defend? Meaning 70++ percent passing. I'm willing to bet that went into his process. It's his ass in the line. Not mine, yours or 21's.

[mo7888]

Have you two ever thought that the reason cza didn't go w the air raid is because he, as a def coordinator, didn't think it was hard to defend? Meaning 70++ percent passing. I'm willing to bet that went into his process. It's his ass in the line. Not mine, yours or 21's.

Well, we all get to see if his ass gets roasted or not....as that's the ultimate barometer here...my guess is that he's fired within 2 years... but it won't matter because no amount of losing will change your minds...

[bulldawg28]

Every team that runs the Air Raid runs his system. There may be a few differences in play calling, but the base stuff and terminology are all the same.

Not true. Leach didn't invent the pass and route concepts. From the looks of what we experienced the air raid is a spin off of the West coast. I see it no other way especially when the RB is the leading WR.

[mo7888]

Not true. Leach didn't event the pass and route concepts. From the looks of what we experienced the air raid is a spin off of the West coast. I see it no other way especially when the RB is the leading WR.

Now that's funny.... hopefully sarcasm...but somehow I doubt it...

[Coach34]

Well, we all get to see if his ass gets roasted or not....as that's the ultimate barometer here...my guess is that he's fired within 2 years... but it won't matter because no amount of losing will change your minds...

Veteran offense and defense returning in 2023. We will win 6-8 games this Fall
Even if he goes 4-8 in 2024 (which I doubt) he wont be fired

We have a hard-working team culture and discipline in the program that's not changing. Arnett will be here 4 years at minimum unless he is hired away

[KB21]

Have you two ever thought that the reason cza didn't go w the air raid is because he, as a def coordinator, didn't think it was hard to defend? Meaning 70++ percent passing. I'm willing to bet that went into his process. It's his ass in the line. Not mine, yours or 21's.

I think he is the typical meathead defensive minded coach who thinks you have to establish the run to win.

[mo7888]

Veteran offense and defense returning in 2023. We will win 6-8 games this Fall
Even if he goes 4-8 in 2024 (which I doubt) he wont be fired

We have a hard-working team culture and discipline in the program that's not changing. Arnett will be here 4 years at minimum unless he is hired away

If he goes 6-6 and 4-8....he's done....even though you jack legs would be satisfied as long as 1 of those wins was against om.... and we run the ball more than we pass it....

[Coach34]

I think he is the typical meathead defensive minded coach who thinks you have to establish the run to win.

Yeah- he will probably follow in the footsteps of dumbasses like Nick Saban, Kirby Smart, and Luke Fickell

[Coach34]

If he goes 6-6 and 4-8....he's done.....

He wont lose his job over 1 losing season with the hard work and discipline the program has.

[Coach34]

I think he is the typical meathead defensive minded coach who thinks you have to establish the run to win.

Whats hilarious is that literally the best 2 coaches in college football are defensive coaches that want to establish the run. You cant make this shit up

and the best offense in modern times- 2019 LSU- was under a defensive HC

[KB21]

Yeah- he will probably follow in the footsteps of dumbasses like Nick Saban, Kirby Smart, and Luke Fickell

Luke Fickell hired an Air Raid coordinator. Kirby Smart hired a coordinator with a background in the air raid. Saban sticks with pro style because he will always have the talent to run it at a high level regardless of the coordinator.

And before anyone says it, I know Georgia doesn?t run the air raid, but Smart hired Monken for what he can do with his passing game.

[mo7888]

He wont lose his job over 1 losing season with the hard work and discipline the program has.

If Leach went 6-6 and 4-8 in non covid years you would be leading the charge screaming for his head... you'd probably throw a little coin to his buyout fund.... your just a hypocrite on this...

And with his small salary...they'll buy him out in a frickin heartbeat with that record...

[TrapGame]

I think he is the typical meathead defensive minded coach who thinks you have to establish the run to win.

A typical meathead defensive minded coach wouldn't run his 3-4 defense.


If he goes 6-6 and 4-8....he's done....even though you jack legs would be satisfied as long as 1 of those wins was against om.... and we run the ball more than we pass it....

LOL! He's not Joe ****ing Moorhead. GTFO with that bullshit.

[mo7888]

A typical meathead defensive minded coach wouldn't run his 3-4 defense.



LOL! He's not Joe ****ing Moorhead. GTFO with that bullshit.

So you'd be happy with 6-6 and 4-8 seasons...sounds about about your speed...

[Coach34]

Luke Fickell hired an Air Raid coordinator. Kirby Smart hired a coordinator with a background in the air raid. Saban sticks with pro style because he will always have the talent to run it at a high level regardless of the coordinator.

And before anyone says it, I know Georgia doesn?t run the air raid, but Smart hired Monken for what he can do with his passing game.

We hired Barbay because of his balanced offenses that produce.

[TrapGame]

So you'd be happy with 6-6 and 4-8 seasons...sounds about about your speed...

You said he'd be fired not that anybody would be happy. We aren't firing Arnett after two seasons.

Please take your worthless ass back to the ole miss board that shit you out.

[BankerDog]

Yeah- he will probably follow in the footsteps of dumbasses like Nick Saban, Kirby Smart, and Luke Fickell

Or you could wind up with a Jeremy Pruitt, Boom Muschamp, Charlie Strong?

[mo7888]

You said he'd be fired not that anybody would be happy. We aren't firing Arnett after two seasons.

Please take your worthless ass back to the ole miss board that shit you out.

You can't help but being a little bitch can you? We're you born that way or were abused by a priest or something?

Seriously, I have an opinion you don't like and that's all you can do? Really.... I was patient with you but you can go **** yourself for all I care.... just keep being the bitch...

[Coach34]

Luke Fickell hired an Air Raid coordinator. Kirby Smart hired a coordinator with a background in the air raid. Saban sticks with pro style because he will always have the talent to run it at a high level regardless of the coordinator.

And before anyone says it, I know Georgia doesn?t run the air raid, but Smart hired Monken for what he can do with his passing game.

You can spin this all you want- but the two best head coaches in the country are defensive coaches. And the best modern offense was under a defensive HC. Smart hired Monken to be his OC and score points with a physical offense.

[KB21]

A typical meathead defensive minded coach wouldn't run his 3-4 defense.



LOL! He's not Joe ****ing Moorhead. GTFO with that bullshit.

He doesn?t run a 3-4 defense.

[TrapGame]

You can't help but being a little bitch can you? We're you born that way or were abused by a priest or something?

Seriously, I have an opinion you don't like and that's all you can do? Really.... I was patient with you but you can go **** yourself for all I care.... just keep being the bitch...

Oh, you got me scared Pumpkin.

[Coach34]

Or you could wind up with a Jeremy Pruitt, Boom Muschamp, Charlie Strong?

Well, let's dont leave out offensive geniuses like Norm Chow, June Jones, and JoVester Morehead

[mo7888]

Oh, you got me scared Pumpkin.

Its not my problem...

[CoachT14]

You can't help but being a little bitch can you? We're you born that way or were abused by a priest or something?

Seriously, I have an opinion you don't like and that's all you can do? Really.... I was patient with you but you can go **** yourself for all I care.... just keep being the bitch...

Pot meet kettle. You and KB have spent an entire thread bitching. We aren?t even talking about the same subject now cause of y?all?s bitching.

You two need a thread to yourselves to circle jerk in because thats all you two are doing

[mo7888]

Pot meet kettle. You and KB have spent an entire thread bitching. We aren?t even talking about the same subject now cause of y?all?s bitching.

No... I've got opinions you don't like...but I haven't called anybody names or disparaged them in any way personally.... take you for instance, I think you're totally wrong headed (and you obviously think the same of me) but I haven't told you to **** off or climb back in a shit hole in Oxford... so you can miss me with that bs...

[BankerDog]

lmao. I've never run the Wing-T and have been a Spread guy for awhile 2004. I havent run the I-formation since 1997. My last 2 offenses have thrown the ball more than run.

Nobody is saying you have to be run heavy- just that running the ball is a must for a successful offense.

And your offense this past year only averaged 6.6 points per game with average yards per game of 94.4. Maybe not act like a offensive savant and change your screen name to C3&6?

[CoachT14]

No... I've got opinions you don't like...but I haven't called anybody names or disparaged them in any way personally.... take you for instance, I think you're totally wrong headed (and you obviously think the same of me) but I haven't told you to **** off or climb back in a shit hole in Oxford... so you can miss me with that bs...

You just called someone a little bitch. But yeah you haven’t called anyone names.

[mo7888]

You just called someone a little bitch. But yeah you haven’t called anyone names.

In response to being told to **** off and crawl back in a shit hole in Oxford....you damn right... I responded....

[BankerDog]

Well, let's dont leave out offensive geniuses like Norm Chow, June Jones, and JoVester Morehead

Yet the offensive guy we had in Mullen, you proclaimed him Danny Walsh and always bashed the offense. Now you want that ?blueprint? back so what is it 34?

Or you could end up with a flaming coach like Kiffin is all smoke or Billy Napier. Both of which you admire.

[Coach34]

And your offense this past year only averaged 6.6 points per game with average yards per game of 94.4. Maybe not act like a offensive savant and change your screen name to C3&6?

What? LMAO. Our Maxprep stats arent up to date. We averaged 14 PPG and 256 ypg...and yes that is bad. But we probably played the toughest schedule in the state as a 2A we played two 5A's and 2 4A's. They scored 86 points the entire season before me. We scored 153 this year.

However- what you dont realize is that we are in a rebuild and doubled the offensive output from the year before. We did this starting a bunch of 9th and 10th graders. We have 9 starters returning on offense next year and 8 on D.

I took a job at a terrible football program to be near my kids. But as usual with any program I coach- they get better

[Coach34]

Yet the offensive guy we had in Mullen, you proclaimed him Danny Walsh and always bashed the offense. Now you want that ?blueprint? back so what is it 34?

Or you could end up with a flaming coach like Kiffin is all smoke or Billy Napier. Both of which you admire.

Love Mullen's offense. I can criticize a guy and still love what he does. I got on Mullen for his lack of the deep ball. His playcalling in big games could be criticized. Shit, Saban and Smart get criticized. That is sports

[KB21]

I will continue to LOL at those who believe offensive balance is 50/50 run/pass.

[Coach34]

I will continue to LOL at those who believe offensive balance is 50/50 run/pass.

Why? Because that is literally the definition of it.

2019 LSU was almost 50/50 run pass altho passing they put up 400 ypg vs 166 rpg. Keeping defenses off balance is the key for any offense

[SmokeyDawg]

Why? Because that is literally the definition of it.

2019 LSU was almost 50/50 run pass altho passing they put up 400 ypg vs 166 rpg. Keeping defenses off balance is the key for any offense

He believes that having 12-15 offensive skill guys touching the ball equally is balanced. And be sure to dump the ball 3 yds to the rb because handing it to him can never work

[KB21]

https://twitter.com/sharpfootball/status/1102590068882067458?s=46&t=PS_iV6mrEVdWVXJUFKs2Zg

[MrCoachKlein]

I'm an old man, but it's just cazy to me to hand the ball off 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage in shotgun, when you can have the QB under center and just plow it for short yardage. Call me a running system fan, but thats football to me.

I think it is mostly about making the d give you a light box count BC pass threat, giving your OL time to setup your blocks and giving the rb time to find the hole without leveon bell levels of patience. Actual coaches please correct me

[MrCoachKlein]

What? LMAO. Our Maxprep stats arent up to date. We averaged 14 PPG and 256 ypg...and yes that is bad. But we probably played the toughest schedule in the state as a 2A we played two 5A's and 2 4A's. They scored 86 points the entire season before me. We scored 153 this year.

However- what you dont realize is that we are in a rebuild and doubled the offensive output from the year before. We did this starting a bunch of 9th and 10th graders. We have 9 starters returning on offense next year and 8 on D.

I took a job at a terrible football program to be near my kids. But as usual with any program I coach- they get better

Good job coach. Keep grinding

[Homedawg]

Well, we all get to see if his ass gets roasted or not....as that's the ultimate barometer here...my guess is that he's fired within 2 years... but it won't matter because no amount of losing will change your minds...

If we go 8-4 you will complain. No different

[Homedawg]

Luke Fickell hired an Air Raid coordinator. Kirby Smart hired a coordinator with a background in the air raid. Saban sticks with pro style because he will always have the talent to run it at a high level regardless of the coordinator.

And before anyone says it, I know Georgia doesn?t run the air raid, but Smart hired Monken for what he can do with his passing game.

Glad to know ga runs the air raid. Hell they don't run 1/5 of the air raid

[DownwardDawg]

If we go 8-4 you will complain. No different

Agree.

[Todd4State]

They are just posting, I won't say surface analytics, but it's not the deep dive that some others have done. Warren Sharp did a study on it and found direct correlation to passing and winning in todays game. That correlation however is not about just passing attempts. It's about the efficiency of passing yards per attempt. Those number bare out that you have higher success rate and yards than just purely throwing it a bunch. Recently Tulane beat USC because of an extremely high passing yards per attempt number. Not saying the ratio of run / pass they used should be copied but that is where the analytics are really taking offenses in the passing game. Not just purely throwing it to throw it. There are also studies showing that the play action pass is more efficient on average than pure drop back passes in many cases. Regardless if you have a good run game or not. It effects defenses, mainly linebackers. Note these were NFL studies. So I think when you adjust for talent level and risk factor of less accurate QB's and non-elite WR's, you have to adjust those number accordingly to your personnel.

Yeah. Most of the studies show that you need an accurate QB and an offensive scheme that can attack deep while also using the quick pass game and RPO's as constraint plays to move the offense. Like LSU 2019.

To me, that's essentially saying throw it as much as you can early and often in the game with some logic behind the pass plays you are running. Therefore again the more you throw it the more likely you are to maximize your offensive output.

The exceptions being short yardage such as 3rd and 1 and running at the end of the game to run the clock out and preserve the lead. Which in theory running later like that should be more effective because you would essentially be running fresh running backs up against a tired defense. The only other exception I could think of is if a team is incredibly dreadful against the run. (Hi Ole Miss!)

[Todd4State]

We went backwards w almost an entire offense returning. We weren't going forward. That's like saying the stock market went up today--- no it didn't and no we weren't

We missed Makai Polk. If Leach had survived and we added an alpha type outside WR and moved Tulu to the slot as rumored I think Leach's offense would have made a huge jump. Not to mention another year of experience and dropping Georgia from the schedule would have only helped as well.

[Todd4State]

I'm not understanding bringing Georgia up in this conversation as proof that you should run the ball.

1. Their QB was a former walk-on. Very good player but also a bit limited.

2. Being 45/55 pass/run isn't exactly what I would consider run heavy. I would say balanced. Even then that's a higher percentage than their normal "historical" ratio going more towards the pass.

3. Just because they ran the ball 55% of the time and won the title doesn't mean that they maximized their offense. That would be like me saying that because UCLA bunted a ton of times in 2013 and won a title that bunting is the obvious way to go in baseball.

4. When LSU went away from their historical norm of pass/run and passed more than they ran they went 15-0 and had probably the best offense in SEC history.

[KB21]

Georgia actually threw the football 52% of the time during the first 3 quarters of games. So, it?s obvious that a lot of the running came when the game was in hand. This is the effect that Todd Monken handle that office. While they are not an air raid, all fence, Monken does use air raid concepts and his passing game. Those concepts are what has allowed them to create space for Brock Bowers. They were brought him on mash. They use him on shallow cross. They use him on Y sail and cross.

[Pancho]

We missed Makai Polk. If Leach had survived and we added an alpha type outside WR and moved Tulu to the slot as rumored I think Leach's offense would have made a huge jump. Not to mention another year of experience and dropping Georgia from the schedule would have only helped as well.

Leach basically won 9 this past season and would have also in the prior season if not for the SEC officials drama in Memphis so, so I agree with Todd. I do however understand what CZA's offensive plan is and wish him well but I just feel that CML had MSU very much on the right track. Hail State

[msstate7]

Georgia actually threw the football 52% of the time during the first 3 quarters of games. So, it?s obvious that a lot of the running came when the game was in hand. This is the effect that Todd Monken handle that office. While they are not an air raid, all fence, Monken does use air raid concepts and his passing game. Those concepts are what has allowed them to create space for Brock Bowers. They were brought him on mash. They use him on shallow cross. They use him on Y sail and cross.

Where do you get stats through quarters?

52% pass heavy through 3 quarters is a far cry from what you're calling for, 100% passing. 52 is basically even

[Offshore Dawg]

What was it Sargent Joe Friday would say ; "JUST THE FACTS MAME" , This thread has turned into another dick measuring contest. However, some of you have some interesting replies to each other.

[CoachT14]

I'm not understanding bringing Georgia up in this conversation as proof that you should run the ball.

1. Their QB was a former walk-on. Very good player but also a bit limited.

2. Being 45/55 pass/run isn't exactly what I would consider run heavy. I would say balanced. Even then that's a higher percentage than their normal "historical" ratio going more towards the pass.

3. Just because they ran the ball 55% of the time and won the title doesn't mean that they maximized their offense. That would be like me saying that because UCLA bunted a ton of times in 2013 and won a title that bunting is the obvious way to go in baseball.

4. When LSU went away from their historical norm of pass/run and passed more than they ran they went 15-0 and had probably the best offense in SEC history.

1. The guy won back to back NCAA titles, the argument that he's only so good because of the people around him should be out the door. Is he legit pro guy? Probably not. But he's a solid enough college QB.

2. That's the exact Pass:Run Ratio we are probably about to use if not more closer to actual 50/50 like Barbay was at CMU. I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to argue here. We are going to have an extremely balanced offense moving forward.

3. So one of the best offensive teams of all time did not maximize their offense? lol. I've seen some crazy stuff said to defend a view point, but that's pretty bad.

4. 38 pass : 34 Run = 72 total plays per game. 52.8% Pass to 47.2% Run.
- I would guess we are going to be close to that. Barbay at CMU was: 35 Pass to 40 Run = 75 plays per game. 46.7 % Pass to 53.3% Run.
- Those numbers can easily move closer to 50/50 and I imagine they will.

[CoachT14]

Georgia actually threw the football 52% of the time during the first 3 quarters of games. So, it?s obvious that a lot of the running came when the game was in hand. This is the effect that Todd Monken handle that office. While they are not an air raid, all fence, Monken does use air raid concepts and his passing game. Those concepts are what has allowed them to create space for Brock Bowers. They were brought him on mash. They use him on shallow cross. They use him on Y sail and cross.

Barbay runs mesh and shallow cross as well, not to mention verticals with options built into them. Oh and some y-sail routes too. He must be an AR guy according to you, so what's the deal?

[KB21]

Barbay runs mesh and shallow cross as well, not to mention verticals with options built into them. Oh and some y-sail routes too. He must be an AR guy according to you, so what's the deal?

Says the guy who complained that Arnett was going to hire a pro style offensive coordinator, who now supports the pro style offensive coordinator he hired.

[Cowbell]

I can't wait till we revisit this thread in a year

[CoachT14]

Says the guy who complained that Arnett was going to hire a pro style offensive coordinator, who now supports the pro style offensive coordinator he hired.

No. He's AR, you set the parameters.

[TrapGame]

I can't wait till we revisit this thread in a year

Lock it. Stick it up top. Open it the Friday after the Egg and everybody get after it.

[KB21]

No. He's AR, you set the parameters.

Sorry, but Jim McElwain (whose offense Barbay runs) is not air raid. It's pro style, or pro spread to be more accurate even though it isn't a true spread.

[CoachT14]

Sorry, but Jim McElwain (whose offense Barbay runs) is not air raid. It's pro style, or pro spread to be more accurate even though it isn't a true spread.

He's runs AR pass concepts. You have said the entire thread that multiple guys who do that are actually full on AR guys. So he's AR according to you.

[KB21]

He's runs AR pass concepts. You have said the entire thread that multiple guys who do that are actually full on AR guys. So he's AR according to you.

Nowhere have I said that.

[Ari Gold]

Here is the deal

Did the Leach Air Raid work at times? Yes
Did it completely suck at times ? Yes

No matter what offense you run in college football you go as far as your QB can take you
If he is limited your offense is limited
Love him or hate him the one fact about Will is that he is limited at QB . That’s not a knock on the kid it is what it is .

This offense next year won’t look anything like it will in 2024 if we have a different style of QB
If Coach Leach had not passed away , his air raid would have looked a lot different in 2024. I would have loved to see what he could have done with a Hooker ( Tennessee) type QB .

And his version of the offense is much different than the other versions out there , so just saying if we hired an “air raid” guy for the OC doesn’t mean it would have worked , odds are it wouldn’t have been as good

You have to have 2 things if you are MSU to be really competitive in college football IMO
A strong defense and a impact guy at QB .
Besides the covid year , the only other time we had a sub par season 5-7 was the year our defense sucked ass. Of course we did have Peter Sirmon as DC ..

As long as CZA can keep the defense rolling and strong we will be fine , if he can find that IT guy at QB we can make a little noise

[CoachT14]

Nowhere have I said that.

"Every team that runs the Air Raid runs his system. There may be a few differences in play calling, but the base stuff and terminology are all the same." - KB

"Kirby Smart hired a coordinator with a background in the air raid." - KB

"While they are not an air raid, all fence, Monken does use air raid concepts and his passing game. Those concepts are what has allowed them to create space for Brock Bowers. They were brought him on mash. They use him on shallow cross. They use him on Y sail and cross." - KB

[Cooterpoot]

If we can pull Garcia, that would be huge!

[BankerDog]

Here is the deal

Did the Leach Air Raid work at times? Yes
Did it completely suck at times ? Yes

No matter what offense you run in college football you go as far as your QB can take you
If he is limited your offense is limited
Love him or hate him the one fact about Will is that he is limited at QB . That?s not a knock on the kid it is what it is .

This offense next year won?t look anything like it will in 2024 if we have a different style of QB
If Coach Leach had not passed away , his air raid would have looked a lot different in 2024. I would have loved to see what he could have done with a Hooker ( Tennessee) type QB .

And his version of the offense is much different than the other versions out there , so just saying if we hired an ?air raid? guy for the OC doesn?t mean it would have worked , odds are it wouldn?t have been as good

You have to have 2 things if you are MSU to be really competitive in college football IMO
A strong defense and a impact guy at QB .
Besides the covid year , the only other time we had a sub par season 5-7 was the year our defense sucked ass. Of course we did have Peter Sirmon as DC ..

As long as CZA can keep the defense rolling and strong we will be fine , if he can find that IT guy at QB we can make a little noise

THANK YOU. Will has played hesitant in games (UK and LSU and OM) that has cost us. His lack to let it rip down field killed us. That?s the fact of the matter, he plays not to lose instead of win.

Now I?m excited about us possibly trying to get into the Jake Garcia sweepstakes. A little concerning he didn?t beat out Van Dyke, but Van Dyke has some talent and many draft experts expected him to be in contention to be a top QB taken in this years draft.

[Really Clark?]

Garcia would be a great pick up. Hopefully we see an OV set up. Roberson the WR is coming in tomorrow. Would love to add him for Rara spot.

[DEDawg]

Garcia would be a great pick up. Hopefully we see an OV set up. Roberson the WR is coming in tomorrow. Would love to add him for Rara spot.

Wait this actually has a chance at happening? Would be a massive get

[msstate7]

Who is Garcia?

[Really Clark?]

Who is Garcia?

Miami QB Transfer

[Really Clark?]

Wait this actually has a chance at happening? Would be a massive get

Roberson we have a good chance I believe. Garcia is still early to tell how interested he is but we have been in contact with him and hope to get something set up.

[DEDawg]

Roberson we have a good chance I believe. Garcia is still early to tell how interested he is but we have been in contact with him and hope to get something set up.

That is good to hear. At least we are playing the game

[Desoto1967]

Does Miami have a Target?

[KB21]

"Every team that runs the Air Raid runs his system. There may be a few differences in play calling, but the base stuff and terminology are all the same." - KB

"Kirby Smart hired a coordinator with a background in the air raid." - KB

"While they are not an air raid, all fence, Monken does use air raid concepts and his passing game. Those concepts are what has allowed them to create space for Brock Bowers. They were brought him on mash. They use him on shallow cross. They use him on Y sail and cross." - KB

And none of those comments infer what you are saying I said.

[Dawgface]

Garcia would be a great pick up. Hopefully we see an OV set up. Roberson the WR is coming in tomorrow. Would love to add him for Rara spot.

I didn't keep up with Miami this year so what's the deal? I looked at Garcia's highlights and he looked good. Did he get beat out or get hurt along the way?

[CoachT14]

And none of those comments infer what you are saying I said.

https://y.yarn.co/7183ccd7-f8df-4268-934f-76237a2802ee_text.gif

[Matt3467]

Miami QB Transfer

Any kin to Jeff Garcia?

[Really Clark?]

I didn't keep up with Miami this year so what's the deal? I looked at Garcia's highlights and he looked good. Did he get beat out or get hurt along the way?

He got beat out by Van Dyke who was a Soph.

[Really Clark?]

Any kin to Jeff Garcia?

I don't know, hadn't seen it mentioned.

[Leroy Jenkins]

Here is the deal

Did the Leach Air Raid work at times? Yes
Did it completely suck at times ? Yes



Exactly, Some guys are so black and white, there is a whole lot of gray that gets ignored. We all get so passionate but some get dug in on thinking something is all good or all bad.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Garcia would be a great pick up. Hopefully we see an OV set up. Roberson the WR is coming in tomorrow. Would love to add him for Rara spot.

Roberson plays slot. He's not an outside guy, or at least he wasn't for EWU. He's more Jamire Calvin than Rara

[yjnkdawg]

Roberson plays slot. He's not an outside guy, or at least he wasn't for EWU. He's more Jamire Calvin than Rara

I think they are recruiting him as an outside WR. His bio says 6'2" and 195. I don't see any reason that we would be recruiting any more slot receivers.

[Really Clark?]

Roberson plays slot. He's not an outside guy, or at least he wasn't for EWU. He's more Jamire Calvin than Rara

Just the few clips I saw he was lined up outside. They may move him around but we are not recruiting him to play a slot position. He is not the same type of WR as Rara but runs good routes off of different coverages.

[Commercecomet24]

Exactly, Some guys are so black and white, there is a whole lot of gray that gets ignored. We all get so passionate but some get dug in on thinking something is all good or all bad.

Yes!!!! Couldn't agree more!

[Commercecomet24]

Just the few clips I saw he was lined up outside. They may move him around but we are not recruiting him to play a slot position. He is not the same type of WR as Rara but runs good routes off of different coverages.

He's played outside a lot and some slot. He's pretty versatile but yeah we aren't recruiting him for a slot guy.

[Cooterpoot]

Scratch Garcia

[Desoto1967]

I just looked at the roster and it seems State is down to 2 QBs, Will and Jake Weir from Tupelo. Is that the spring game QBs?

[Really Clark?]

I just looked at the roster and it seems State is down to 2 QBs, Will and Jake Weir from Tupelo. Is that the spring game QBs?

Parson is here already too.

[msstate7]

Parson is here already too.

Didn't I read here he is injured?

[Homedawg]

Didn't I read here he is injured?

Yep

[msstate7]

Yep

Damn, will gonna have to play both ways in spring game while we making fun of OM having 3 capable qbs lol

[Really Clark?]

Didn't I read here he is injured?

Yes. He will be limited but I don't know how much.

[HancockCountyDog]

Damn, will gonna have to play both ways in spring game while we making fun of OM having 3 capable qbs lol

Its never a bad thing to make fun of the bears.

Based on what I am reading on here, we can get a walk on to just hand it off all game*****

[Really Clark?]

Wright this weekend. If he shows, the odds are shrinking. BC is still a head I think though.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Wright this weekend. If he shows, the odds are shrinking. BC is still a head I think though.

I doubt he ends up showing and Will would beat him out. He wants a guaranteed starting job.

[Bubb Rubb]

What song fans refuse to recognize is the fact that Mike had this offense going in the right direction. he inherited a situation with a poor culture. He did not have any receivers. He did not have a spring practice during his first year to install his system. Yet, he improved this offense from 109th in scoring to 60th in scoring to 48 in scoring this year. This year, his offense also improved in points per play. If you look at his history, it took him for years to build the offense the way he wanted it at Washington state. Once he had it where he wanted it, Washington State was a top 18 scoring team in the country. In 2019, Washington state was the 11th best scoring team in the country.

I believe the same thing would?ve happened here had we continued his system.

This is such a horrifically bad post. It's either really stupid, or intentionally dishonest.

Either way, this offense was not trending in the right direction. Using the scoring ranking is completely moronic. Our PPG were propped up by defense and special teams. And we ran up scores on some really bad teams. When it mattered, our offense was shit more often than not. And this isn't even a controversial take.

[Dawgface]

I just looked at the roster and it seems State is down to 2 QBs, Will and Jake Weir from Tupelo. Is that the spring game QBs?

Never heard of Weir. I'm guessing a walk-on from a year ago. Well at least we have another body to run the scout team.

[Really Clark?]

I doubt he ends up showing and Will would beat him out. He wants a guaranteed starting job.

Wright is on campus

[BuckyIsAB****]

Wright is coming.

[BuckyIsAB****]

I just dont know how to help you guys anymore if you think QB is what held us back from beating UK LSU. At one point we threw the ball 53 snaps in a row. Good luck with that for any offense

[R2Dawg]

Doesn't Wright have 2 to play? He will come to MSU now since Will is gone in one and others will be young and the future. He'll get one year to do his thing. That is what he is looking for I think. That is why OM was in mix too. Since our QB room is empty outside Will, he will think he is a shoe in.

Like the price is right - come on down.

[bulldawg28]

I just dont know how to help you guys anymore if you think QB is what held us back from beating UK LSU. At one point we threw the ball 53 snaps in a row. Good luck with that for any offense

Will could call the plays at the line. He could have checked into run plays.

[msstate7]

Wright is coming.

Like enrolling or visiting?

[Quaoarsking]

Doesn't Wright have 2 to play? He will come to MSU now since Will is gone in one and others will be young and the future. He'll get one year to do his thing. That is what he is looking for I think. That is why OM was in mix too. Since our QB room is empty outside Will, he will think he is a shoe in.

Like the price is right - come on down.

Will can stay through 2024 if he wants to. He and Wright are in the same class.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Like enrolling or visiting?

I think he is gonna enroll

[BuckyIsAB****]

Will could call the plays at the line. He could have checked into run plays.

Sure he did, every time we ran it he did. But when you do check and then get your ass chewed what do you do

[msstate7]

I think he is gonna enroll

Nice, your boy needs a good backup

[bulldawg28]

Sure he did, every time we ran it he did. But when you do check and then get your ass chewed what do you do

One of the reasons the offense was mediocre.

[Dawgface]

Wright is coming.

Cool. If he is indeed coming you know they are telling him he will have every opportunity to start. Will may very well keep the starting role but good to have competition and some depth.

[Catfish]

Who is Wright?

[Dawgface]

Who is Wright?

https://vanderbilthustler.com/2022/12/05/breaking-vanderbilt-qb-mike-wright-to-enter-ncaa-transfer-portal/

[Catfish]

https://vanderbilthustler.com/2022/12/05/breaking-vanderbilt-qb-mike-wright-to-enter-ncaa-transfer-portal/

Thanks

[KOdawg1]

Wright is the perfect QB to come in. He probably doesn't start, but he'll have the opportunity to and he'll push Will. And if Will should get hurt, there wouldn't be a massive drop off. Different QBs but I love that he has SEC experience.

[ZedFedder]

Wright is the perfect QB to come in. He probably doesn't start, but he'll have the opportunity to and he'll push Will. And if Will should get hurt, there wouldn't be a massive drop off. Different QBs but I love that he has SEC experience.

Agreed. With the situation we are in, he is the best possible option/type of QB to come in.

[viverlibre]

Will can stay through 2024 if he wants to. He and Wright are in the same class.

I hope he has such a good season next year that we want him back for 2024, but I'm afraid there will be Will "fatigue" if he doesn't have a great year.

[msu15]

I just dont know how to help you guys anymore if you think QB is what held us back from beating UK LSU. At one point we threw the ball 53 snaps in a row. Good luck with that for any offense

Lol.....good lord you're an idiot.

[BuckyIsAB****]

One of the reasons the offense was mediocre.

Agree. The stubbornness at times was Moorhead level

[BuckyIsAB****]

Lol.....good lord you're an idiot.

Is Jan?s still the man or are you gonna change your signature again? Ask for my permission next time. You were violating my NIL

[Bothrops]

Is Wright good enough at passing to unseat Will? I'm just wondering why we're going after a one year guy, when Will only has a year left too.

[Really Clark?]

Is Wright good enough at passing to unseat Will? I'm just wondering why we're going after a one year guy, when Will only has a year left too.

Wright has 2 years left

[CadaverDawg]

Is Wright good enough at passing to unseat Will? I'm just wondering why we're going after a one year guy, when Will only has a year left too.

He's good enough now that we aren't air raid, yes. Plus he brings about a trillion times more athleticism to the position.

[Commercecomet24]

Is Wright good enough at passing to unseat Will? I'm just wondering why we're going after a one year guy, when Will only has a year left too.

Wright has 2 years, not one.

[bulldawg28]

I'm going on a limb and say if Wright comes he'll uproot Will before the season is over.

[662dawg]

I'm going on a limb and say if Wright comes he'll uproot Will before the season is over.

This is highly unlikely as Barbay's offenses seem to call for more of an accurate QB than a running QB & Wright isn't a very good passer. Wright is likely a bridge between Will next year & Parson taking over about 3-4 games into 2024 as a redshirt freshmen.

[CoachT14]

This is highly unlikely as Barbay's offenses seem to call for more of an accurate QB than a running QB & Wright isn't a very good passer. Wright is likely a bridge between Will next year & Parson taking over about 3-4 games into 2024 as a redshirt freshmen.

Something to consider though:

Will played behind one of the top OL?s in the SEC and the nation. It?s either 2nd or 3rd in the SEC depending on where you see.

Wright on the other hand played behind one of the worst. 9th, 10th or 11th rated.

Despite those pressure numbers. Wright?s sack % is less than Will?s which means Wright shows a fairly good amount of escapability.

So the question becomes does right put up better completion numbers behind our OL. I think it?s fair to say yes he would.

His adjusted completion percentage is 68.3% which should show where he?d be without extra pressure, throwaways, drops, etc. To be fair to Will, his adjust completion percentage is nuts - 80.1%. Only Rattler and Daniels are higher.

The real completion percentage for both:

Will - 68.03%
Wright - 56.8%

[bulldawg28]

This is highly unlikely as Barbay's offenses seem to call for more of an accurate QB than a running QB & Wright isn't a very good passer. Wright is likely a bridge between Will next year & Parson taking over about 3-4 games into 2024 as a redshirt freshmen.

The offense has RPO'S. Will can't run so the offense would be limited. He's also Leach's Qb. If the new OC is going after a veteran Qb with experience it's not to hold a clipboard. Will is going to have to beat him out. I'm not certain he will for the entirety of the year. Will is terrified of being tackled.

[PikeDawg15]

Question

Since Wright is class of 2020

2020 did not count

If he does not get the starting job this year , can he redshirt?

I?m pretty sure he has not used a redshirt yet.

[RisperDawg]

Question

Since Wright is class of 2020

2020 did not count

If he does not get the starting job this year , can he redshirt?

I?m pretty sure he has not used a redshirt yet.

He has another year of eligibility in 2024, based on another post in another thread. I don't know if this directly answers your question.

[662dawg]

The offense has RPO'S. Will can't run so the offense would be limited. He's also Leach's Qb. If the new OC is going after a veteran Qb with experience it's not to hold a clipboard. Will is going to have to beat him out. I'm not certain he will for the entirety of the year. Will is terrified of being tackled.

I don't dont disagree with Will being terrified to run lol. I don't think Mike will beat him out though. Never say never though.

[bulldawg28]

I don't dont disagree with Will being terrified to run lol. I don't think Mike will beat him out though. Never say never though.

I think there will come a game where "shaking in my boots" gets pulled for it. If we win that game it changes the dynamics.

[PikeDawg15]

He has another year of eligibility in 2024, based on another post in another thread. I don't know if this directly answers your question.

My question is has he used his redshirt yet

My thought process is his freshman year was 2020 , same as will rogers

That year does not count

2021 and 2022 he played

Idk if he played more than 4 games in 2021 though, if he hasn?t used that redshirt from that season.

Lets say this

Will Rogers wins the 2023 job and after 2023 he leaves for the NFL draft.

During 2023, Wright uses his redshirt year and then coming into 2024 he will have 2 years left after that.

[Todd4State]

My question is has he used his redshirt yet

My thought process is his freshman year was 2020 , same as will rogers

That year does not count

2021 and 2022 he played

Idk if he played more than 4 games in 2021 though, if he hasn?t used that redshirt from that season.

Lets say this

Will Rogers wins the 2023 job and after 2023 he leaves for the NFL draft.

During 2023, Wright uses his redshirt year and then coming into 2024 he will have 2 years left after that.

I think you are on the right track.

I'm not sure Will comes back for 2024 even though he can.

It's going to take a couple of years for Barbay to get what he wants in so we're probably better off going with Will and be pass happy for 2023.

[BuckyIsAB****]

The offense has RPO'S. Will can't run so the offense would be limited. He's also Leach's Qb. If the new OC is going after a veteran Qb with experience it's not to hold a clipboard. Will is going to have to beat him out. I'm not certain he will for the entirety of the year. Will is terrified of being tackled.

App St QB hardly ever ran the ball. RPO does not mean QB runs the ball. And also, for as much as he has gotten destroyed behind our OL he sure does get back up every time. Maybe he is pretty tough idk

I will bet anyone on the board than Will starts till he decides to leave, barring an injury. Will has ran RPOs in 10th 11th and 12th. If anything it will make his job a lot easier

[msstate7]

This was a nice weekend. We actually have a capable backup now with sec experience. Got a wr we wanted, and I suspect johnson is back. Now let's find some TEs. Good job, staff

[Catfish]

This was a nice weekend. We actually have a capable backup now with sec experience. Got a wr we wanted, and I suspect johnson is back. Now let's find some TEs. Good job, staff

What's the scoop on Johnson? I know he hit the portal but I thought he was going to Washington.

[Todd4State]

What's the scoop on Johnson? I know he hit the portal but I thought he was going to Washington.

I expect Dillion Johnson to return. He did commit to Washington but he never enrolled.

[Catfish]

I expect Dillion Johnson to return. He did commit to Washington but he never enrolled.

Thanks Todd

[Really Clark?]

I expect Dillion Johnson to return. He did commit to Washington but he never enrolled.

I think he does as well but he couldn't enroll yet anyway, they are on the quarter system at Washington.

[Todd4State]

I think he does as well but he couldn't enroll yet anyway, they are on the quarter system at Washington.

Well, according to this classes started for them Jan 3. I don't know what their final date to enroll is but if he was serious about going there he would be in Seattle right now.

https://www.washington.edu/students/reg/begendcal.html

[Really Clark?]

Well, according to this classes started for them Jan 3. I don't know what their final date to enroll is but if he was serious about going there he would be in Seattle right now.

https://www.washington.edu/students/reg/begendcal.html

Think that's their last day of registration.

https://www.washington.edu/students/reg/2223cal.html#Q5

[bulldawg28]

App St QB hardly ever ran the ball. RPO does not mean QB runs the ball. And also, for as much as he has gotten destroyed behind our OL he sure does get back up every time. Maybe he is pretty tough idk

I will bet anyone on the board than Will starts till he decides to leave, barring an injury. Will has ran RPOs in 10th 11th and 12th. If anything it will make his job a lot easier

This ain't high school when he was bigger than the DE. RPO's put Will in the line of fire repeatedly. He's terrified and will fold , like always.

[BuckyIsAB****]

This ain't high school when he was bigger than the DE. RPO's put Will in the line of fire repeatedly. He's terrified and will fold , like always.

None of that is true haha. Like 0 percent of it. McKinnely Jackson, Derrick Hall, Jack Harris, played all of them. Could add more. That kid has never ever folded. Gotten beat sure but everyone does that. I would bet that he is better in this offense than he was air raid

[Todd4State]

None of that is true haha. Like 0 percent of it. McKinnely Jackson, Derrick Hall, Jack Harris, played all of them. Could add more. That kid has never ever folded. Gotten beat sure but everyone does that. I would bet that he is better in this offense than he was air raid

What do you expect the offense to look like? Like how much Air Raid stuff and how much RPO, etc.

[msu15]

None of that is true haha. Like 0 percent of it. McKinnely Jackson, Derrick Hall, Jack Harris, played all of them. Could add more. That kid has never ever folded. Gotten beat sure but everyone does that. I would bet that he is better in this offense than he was air raid

I absolutely think he's a better fit in Barbary's offense than the air raid. Will doesn't have the arm strength to be a perfect fit for Leach's pure air raid.

[bulldawg28]

None of that is true haha. Like 0 percent of it. McKinnely Jackson, Derrick Hall, Jack Harris, played all of them. Could add more. That kid has never ever folded. Gotten beat sure but everyone does that. I would bet that he is better in this offense than he was air raid

3 players means he isn't scared? So explain to me why he's chicken **** now. He won't be better with his noodle arm and quicksand feet. All of a sudden he's going to get better in an offense that he wasn't recruited for. Will had his best shot with Leach and he was mediocre at best.

[BuckyIsAB****]

3 players means he isn't scared? So explain to me why he's chicken **** now. He won't be better with his noodle arm and quicksand feet. All of a sudden he's going to get better in an offense that he wasn't recruited for. Will had his best shot with Leach and he was mediocre at best.

He isnt scared because he isnt scared. You are hung up on stuff that only you believe. Ask his teammates if he?s scared. All he has done is win and break records. It?s not perfect but no one is. Those are facts. You are posting opinions. Just all there is to it. Stop lying on a kids name when you dont know

[BuckyIsAB****]

What do you expect the offense to look like? Like how much Air Raid stuff and how much RPO, etc.

It is 0 air raid unless we tweak it. It is what everyone else is doing. Will has done it before. One read RPOs reading backside LB and safeties after the snap and hitches or outs pre snap if he has leverage. Lot of pistol which helps the run game but it can make it harder to RPO bc you can only run it to the side the QB opens up to. And you cant run one at all off of stretch out of pistol bc the QB has his back turned. Thats why it is a lot of bootleg.


It is kind of like Shanahan from the Niners if I could give it a comparison. We are going to see how good we are up front for sure.

[bulldawg28]

He isnt scared because he isnt scared. You are hung up on stuff that only you believe. Ask his teammates if he?s scared. All he has done is win and break records. It?s not perfect but no one is. Those are facts. You are posting opinions. Just all there is to it. Stop lying on a kids name when you dont know

Lol, ask him teammates? High school teammates? You don't know football at all if you think Will isn't scared.

[Pancho]

you like pissing contests

[KB21]

It is 0 air raid unless we tweak it. It is what everyone else is doing. Will has done it before. One read RPOs reading backside LB and safeties after the snap and hitches or outs pre snap if he has leverage. Lot of pistol which helps the run game but it can make it harder to RPO bc you can only run it to the side the QB opens up to. And you cant run one at all off of stretch out of pistol bc the QB has his back turned. Thats why it is a lot of bootleg.


It is kind of like Shanahan from the Niners if I could give it a comparison. We are going to see how good we are up front for sure.

I hate the idea of a RPO heavy passing game. That didn?t work when Moorhead tried it. I prefer a progression based system with full field reads.

[Wade Garrett]

I hate the idea of a RPO heavy passing game. That didn?t work when Moorhead tried it. I prefer a progression based system with full field reads.

So you like the Air Raid? I never would have guessed***.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Lol, ask him teammates? High school teammates? You don't know football at all if you think Will isn't scared.

Youre not that stupid. Or maybe you are

[BuckyIsAB****]

I hate the idea of a RPO heavy passing game. That didn?t work when Moorhead tried it. I prefer a progression based system with full field reads.

The passing game isnt based off RPO. I dont think anyones whole passing game is based off of RPO. That would mean you have no passing game

[Homedawg]

I'm going on a limb and say if Wright comes he'll uproot Will before the season is over.

No. He won't. But if he's better sure I'm ok with it. But he won't be. Won't be close either

[Homedawg]

This was a nice weekend. We actually have a capable backup now with sec experience. Got a wr we wanted, and I suspect johnson is back. Now let's find some TEs. Good job, staff

But Jan's WILL be fired after next year. It's a fact. Sorry. Couldn't resist

[Homedawg]

Well, according to this classes started for them Jan 3. I don't know what their final date to enroll is but if he was serious about going there he would be in Seattle right now.

https://www.washington.edu/students/reg/begendcal.html

That wasn't for the semester. That was for a side quarter. He didn't have to enroll then. But he ain't goi g to Washington

[Homedawg]

I hate the idea of a RPO heavy passing game. That didn?t work when Moorhead tried it. I prefer a progression based system with full field reads.

Course you do....

[Todd4State]

It is 0 air raid unless we tweak it. It is what everyone else is doing. Will has done it before. One read RPOs reading backside LB and safeties after the snap and hitches or outs pre snap if he has leverage. Lot of pistol which helps the run game but it can make it harder to RPO bc you can only run it to the side the QB opens up to. And you cant run one at all off of stretch out of pistol bc the QB has his back turned. Thats why it is a lot of bootleg.


It is kind of like Shanahan from the Niners if I could give it a comparison. We are going to see how good we are up front for sure.

At the risk of saying it- so you're saying it's pro style but with 4 WR?

[Todd4State]

No. He won't. But if he's better sure I'm ok with it. But he won't be. Won't be close either

You know we're going to hear all season how Wright should be starting though.

[Dawgface]

You know we're going to hear all season how Wright should be starting though.
If Will is not performing well in the new system I?m sure you will hear it. I hope he does play well tho.

[bulldawg28]

No. He won't. But if he's better sure I'm ok with it. But he won't be. Won't be close either

We'll see

[Pancho]

That wasn't for the semester. That was for a side quarter. He didn't have to enroll then. But he ain't goi g to Washington

Like I said, has he gotten out his apartment lease?

[Bubb Rubb]

I hope he has such a good season next year that we want him back for 2024, but I'm afraid there will be Will "fatigue" if he doesn't have a great year.

There's already Will fatigue for everyone who knows what they're looking at. I'm hoping Barbay's offense gives him a new lease on life. But the first time he takes a coverage sack because he's locked in on the primary receiver, or he throws a pic off his back foot while running backwards, we'll know.

[BuckyIsAB****]

At the risk of saying it- so you're saying it's pro style but with 4 WR?

No. Its not a pro style offense

[HancockCountyDog]

No. Its not a pro style offense

Without divulging too much, how would you describe it?

I've been told that it is a run first offense, that hits you with play action and once you load the box it takes shots deep and really puts pressure on your corners. I asked if QB needs to mobile and i've been told no by at least two people that pay a lot more money than me to the school.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Without divulging too much, how would you describe it?

I've been told that it is a run first offense, that hits you with play action and once you load the box it takes shots deep and really puts pressure on your corners. I asked if QB needs to mobile and i've been told no by at least two people that pay a lot more money than me to the school.

It's multiple but to be successful we will need to establish the run. Now he's not going to line up in I backs and 22 personnel to do that. He does it through RPO and zone read schemes out of gun and pistol formations. A lot of 11 and some 21 personnel. However, we're still going to throw 30-35 times. We have too many weapons at receiver not to. I think it's safe to say Barbay has never had a receiver room this talented so he may actually throw a bit more this year than he's used to. On the QB needing to run, I wouldn't say that he needs to run, but there needs to be at least a threat that he could take it on a read option and get 5-7 yards. The QB doesn't need breakaway speed, but he can't be a statue either.

[Leroy Jenkins]

An H-back that can catch and block would make us so much better on day 1.

[EdwardDrayton]

An H-back that can catch and block would make us so much better on day 1.

And can throw deep? ****

[Johnson85]

This ain't high school when he was bigger than the DE. RPO's put Will in the line of fire repeatedly. He's terrified and will fold , like always.

Will has had good games and bad games, but the only time he has looked scared to me was against Ole Miss this year. I can't imagine he suddenly became scared after playing in the SEC for almost 3 seasons; I think he just got in his head and was making bad decisions that happened to look like the same types of mistakes a scared QB would make.

I get being critical of Will's play; I have been critical of it. But people have lost perspective. He has shown he can be successful in the SEC. His performances in several games this year were concerning, but it's not like he hasn't played well against good defenses. He isn't going to be successful against a typical Bama or UGA defense (which short of getting a Michael Vick type player, is going to be the case for any QB we get until we upgrade a lot of positions), but he has shown he can be good against most teams we play.

[HancockCountyDog]

Will has had good games and bad games, but the only time he has looked scared to me was against Ole Miss this year. I can't imagine he suddenly became scared after playing in the SEC for almost 3 seasons; I think he just got in his head and was making bad decisions that happened to look like the same types of mistakes a scared QB would make.

I get being critical of Will's play; I have been critical of it. But people have lost perspective. He has shown he can be successful in the SEC. His performances in several games this year were concerning, but it's not like he hasn't played well against good defenses. He isn't going to be successful against a typical Bama or UGA defense (which short of getting a Michael Vick type player, is going to be the case for any QB we get until we upgrade a lot of positions), but he has shown he can be good against most teams we play.

Watching the App State offense I think Will can thrive in this offense. It requires more of a game manager as opposed to someone that has to be responsible for all the yards. I think this is good for Will. I think it takes the pressure off him.

The AR offense really struggled against decent defenses and really hammered average to below average defenses. We saw that all year. With the way our defense can play, we just need an above average offense and i think we can have a big year.

[KB21]

Watching the App State offense I think Will can thrive in this offense. It requires more of a game manager as opposed to someone that has to be responsible for all the yards. I think this is good for Will. I think it takes the pressure off him.

The AR offense really struggled against decent defenses and really hammered average to below average defenses. We saw that all year. With the way our defense can play, we just need an above average offense and i think we can have a big year.

I'm sure he can manage turning around and handing the ball off over and over and over and over and over again.

[TrapGame]

24 pages and over 32k views. And I'm like...

https://i.gifer.com/XQrA.gif

[Dawgface]

24 pages and over 32k views. And I'm like...

https://i.gifer.com/XQrA.gif

Was the porridge good?

[Really Clark?]

I'm sure he can manage turning around and handing the ball off over and over and over and over and over again.

It will be about 90% less times than you posting the same thing over and over and over and over again X infinity.

[KB21]

You know, I bet all of these folks who are excited that we are getting back to the pound the rock style of offensive football are the same ones who gripe during baseball season because we don't bunt the runner from first over to second.

[BorneDawg]

It will be about 90% less times than you posting the same thing over and over and over and over again X infinity.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Really Clark? again.

Its like K@*1 is so miserable that he won't be happy unless everyone else is too........

[Pepper]

Someone thought Will could run something other than air raid, I think he was signed by Moorhead

[Pancho]

KB21 is the d*ck of all d*cks. He's been a fake msu fan and finally his racist, slave supporting past has oozed out and is showing. Might even be a bigger d*ck than Lane since they do act similar.

[Really Clark?]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Really Clark? again.

Its like K@*1 is so miserable that he won't be happy unless everyone else is too........

What's so funny and insane with his logic is how he keeps throwing analytics around (with no deep analytical data, just broad study articles) while one of the bigger analytical guys out there, Bartoo, loves Barbay's offensive numbers. Heck he really likes our offensive staff. He keeps concededly stating analytics is on his side when an actual analytics person in Bartoo rates Barbay highly.

[TrapGame]

Was the porridge good?

Yes, it was filled with the lamentations of the women and children.**

[Homedawg]

What's so funny and insane with his logic is how he keeps throwing analytics around (with no deep analytical data, just broad study articles) while one of the bigger analytical guys out there, Bartoo, loves Barbay's offensive numbers. Heck he really likes our offensive staff. He keeps concededly stating analytics is on his side when an actual analytics person in Bartoo rates Barbay highly.

He won't want to hear about that. Analytics will be out the window on that one.

[DownwardDawg]

I wish our first offensive possession of the season we would line up and run the wishbone just to see some heads explode.

[Desoto1967]

I'm calling the first offense play of 2023 right now. QB Draw right up the middle

[Homedawg]

Where he go????

[Todd4State]

What's so funny and insane with his logic is how he keeps throwing analytics around (with no deep analytical data, just broad study articles) while one of the bigger analytical guys out there, Bartoo, loves Barbay's offensive numbers. Heck he really likes our offensive staff. He keeps concededly stating analytics is on his side when an actual analytics person in Bartoo rates Barbay highly.

Bartoo was higher on Friend and Greg Knox than anyone else on the staff. He did say that he liked our staff and that is was better than last year but he also then said Barbay had a couple of good years but then said small sample size and didn't really sound certain about him good or bad. What I took from it is he is more confident about large sample sizes than anything. Which makes sense.

He didn't say anything about Bumphis and couldn't remember Schmidt's name. I wonder if he thinks Knox is the running backs coach instead of Hughes the way he was talking?

[Homedawg]

Bartoo was higher on Friend and Greg Knox than anyone else on the staff. He did say that he liked our staff and that is was better than last year but he also then said Barbay had a couple of good years but then said small sample size and didn't really sound certain about him good or bad. What I took from it is he is more confident about large sample sizes than anything. Which makes sense.

He didn't say anything about Bumphis and couldn't remember Schmidt's name. I wonder if he thinks Knox is the running backs coach instead of Hughes the way he was talking?

The deal w Knox is, because of the new rules "allowing" him to coach, people are assuming he's the guy who is actually going to be coaching the rb.

[Todd4State]

The deal w Knox is, because of the new rules "allowing" him to coach, people are assuming he's the guy who is actually going to be coaching the rb.

They should just go ahead and bite the bullet and increase staff sizes to like 12-13.

Could look like this for a typical team

OC
QB
RB
WR
TE
OL

DC
DL
LB
CB
S

ST

[BlackSailsDawg]

Signed Parson out of Tennessee
Bringing in the MC QB as a preferred WO
Now we are trying to pull Vandy's QB- Mike Wright

http://cfbstats.com/2022/player/736/1113992/passing/split.html

Ran for 500 yards this year

Love the way this is trending


What. He is a career back up at VANDY!!!! He is a 52% passer.

[Really Clark?]

What. He is a career back up at VANDY!!!! He is a 52% passer.

We didn't need a back-up QB???

[BlackSailsDawg]

We didn't need a back-up QB???

Yes we had to have one. Has nothing to do with liking the "way its trending". We do not want to trend that direction.

[Really Clark?]

Yes we had to have one. Has nothing to do with liking the "way its trending". We do not want to trend that direction.

Then we shouldn't have signed Parson either? The guy Leach wanted and everyone was telling us how Leach was going to evolve the offense. Kind of looks like you are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Then we shouldn't have signed Parson either? The guy Leach wanted and everyone was telling us how Leach was going to evolve the offense. Kind of looks like you are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

No it looks more like you are wanting to pick an internet fight.

Parson isn't a career back up with a history of throwing completed passes at 52%. It's 71% And that is the point being made.

[Homedawg]

No it looks more like you are wanting to pick an internet fight.

Parson isn't a career back up with a history of throwing completed passes at 52%. It's 71% And that is the point being made.

huh????? What point? you wanted a better option???

[Johnson85]

No it looks more like you are wanting to pick an internet fight.

Parson isn't a career back up with a history of throwing completed passes at 52%. It's 71% And that is the point being made.

So you wanted Arnett to convince somebody that wasn't a career backup to come and backup Will? Or you were expecting Arnett to pull somebody that was going to push Will to the bench so our backup QB won't be a career backup? Getting somebody that has performed ok behind Vandy's OL seems like about as good as it gets. A Jr. that is likely to be a quality starter is unlikely to come and sit the bench behind Will for one of his two remaining years. If a sophomore is transferring, they're probably going to want to start and if not, be really confident they are better than the freshman being signed. We just didn't have a lot of realistic options for QB transfers this year.

[KB21]

Someone that can actually operate in a passing offense would have been good.

[Johnson85]

Someone that can actually operate in a passing offense would have been good.

Great. Who did you have in mind?

[Really Clark?]

No it looks more like you are wanting to pick an internet fight.

Parson isn't a career back up with a history of throwing completed passes at 52%. It's 71% And that is the point being made.

What is your point then? Like I said previously we need a backup. Don't give HS stats thinking it's always going to translate to college. I think Parson is going to be good, but he is no where close to being ready to be a backup. Especially, still coming off an injury.

Don't complain and make vague statements without an idea of a resolution to a problem you perceive.

[Really Clark?]

Someone that can actually operate in a passing offense would have been good.

Great, name who we realistically can get.

[DEDawg]

What. He is a career back up at VANDY!!!! He is a 52% passer.

He is an SEC starter coming to BACK UP here. We had no back up qb on the roster. How can you possibly be upset we got an SEC starting QB late in the portal to come be our backup while the talented freshmen redshirts?

[KB21]

Great, name who we realistically can get.

RJ Martinez from Northern Arizona. Committed to Baylor instead.

[BlackSailsDawg]

huh????? What point? you wanted a better option???

My point is that we should not like a "trend" towards that. Nothing more. Nothing less.


Johnson85
Johnson85

So you wanted Arnett to convince somebody that wasn't a career backup to come and backup Will? Or you were expecting Arnett to pull somebody that was going to push Will to the bench so our backup QB won't be a career backup? Getting somebody that has performed ok behind Vandy's OL seems like about as good as it gets. A Jr. that is likely to be a quality starter is unlikely to come and sit the bench behind Will for one of his two remaining years. If a sophomore is transferring, they're probably going to want to start and if not, be really confident they are better than the freshman being signed. We just didn't have a lot of realistic options for QB transfers this year.

Wait now. I'm suppose to be ok with Ole Miss getting QBs with a higher up side than us now? Is that where we are? What I want is to attract the players needed at MSU to take the next step. What I don't want is to "love the trend" used in the same sentence as a career back up throwing it at a 52%.

Does that make me anti Arnett. No.



Really Clark?

What is your point then? Like I said previously we need a backup. Don't give HS stats thinking it's always going to translate to college. I think Parson is going to be good, but he is no where close to being ready to be a backup. Especially, still coming off an injury.

Don't complain and make vague statements without an idea of a resolution to a problem you perceive.



Point? Se above. I made no vague statement. I was clear. Celebrating a 52% QB and career back up and hoping that is a trend is legit nuts. There is no perceived problem. It's a legit problem to have a massive gap below Rogers and above Parson. It more than concerning.





DEDawg

He is an SEC starter coming to BACK UP here. We had no back up qb on the roster. How can you possibly be upset we got an SEC starting QB late in the portal to come be our backup while the talented freshmen redshirts?



He is not an SEC starter. He lost out to 2 different QBs in his career at Vandy. This past season, he lost out to a freshman and played due to injuries:

Vandy’s junior quarterback will be the starter at the position once again when the Commodores take the field at 11 a.m. CT Saturday in Lexington, Kentucky. Wright resumes the role he began the season with as freshman AJ Swann will be out this week due to injury.

[Reason2succeed]

I see Mike Wright as a comparable to Nick Fitzgerald. We loved that guy but he would not have started at QB for any other school in the SEC. Mike Wright is exactly where he should be.