OC Hot Board Version 3-Let's Try This Again

[Really Clark?]

Where did they rank each year at Memphis? And did it go down much? And where did Memphis rank year 15-18. Lot of factors involved to because Memphis has been pretty good on O for a while now if I recall(or have had some good years).

The Memphis deal is a little hard because he was there during Norval's last year and transitioned with the new staff at Memphis. They lost some players during that time including a 1500 yard freshman running back

[msstate7]

Where did they rank each year at Memphis? And did it go down much?

2018 - 42.9
2019 - 40.4 (-5.8%)
2020 - 31.0 (-23.3%)
2021 - 30.1 (-1.9%)
2022 - 35.3 (+16.1%)

John's' years are 2019-2021.

His first year to last year saw a 25.5% drop in ppg.

[Johnson85]

His base is around $250,000 with incentives it pushes his salary to around $450,000

WEll shit. I didn't realize FCS schools were paying that much. That's surprising to me.

Still not sure that's at a level where if we offer him $800k guaranteed he scoffs at it. But certainly if FCS coaches have better longevity and he can wants some stability, that's a good salary and not crazy to think he would rather have some stability and a longer term contract rather than an extra couple of hundred k after taxes for two years and then have to move to whereever the job is.

[StateDawg44]

Look at both of Leach's stops before MSU. It took him 2 or 3 years to get rolling. In my opinion, he was just on the verge with the players he was developing in the system. It's a shame you can't develop a program anymore because fans have to have instant results against teams with more money and better recruiting.

It's a shame MSU looks to be dismantling what Leach was building.

Oh well.........

Good lord.

Dramatic? lulz

[TorpedoIPA]

Did you miss the part where Leach passed away? It was kind of a big deal, so I'm surprised you missed it. We lost our more or less one of a kind head coach and offensive coordinator. It's not like we said screw it let's start over.

I don't know. But letting all the offensive coaches go and the QBs that hit the portal hint that it may be the case on offense.

[chef dixon]

Throw 2.5 million at Cortez Hankton and let's roll baby

[Really Clark?]

2018 - 42.9
2019 - 40.4 (-5.8%)
2020 - 31.0 (-23.3%)
2021 - 30.1 (-1.9%)
2022 - 35.3 (+16.1%)

John's' years are 2019-2021.

His first year to last year saw a 25.5% drop in ppg.

That was during when Mike left Memphis (2019) and Memphis lost players during the transition including their leading freshman rusher, 1500 yards

[Really Clark?]

Throw 2.5 million at Cortez Hankton and let's roll baby

No way, $1-1.25 MIL tops if you think he's ready to call plays because he's never done it but he is making $850,000 at LSU.

[Bdawg]

2018 - 42.9
2019 - 40.4 (-5.8%)
2020 - 31.0 (-23.3%)
2021 - 30.1 (-1.9%)
2022 - 35.3 (+16.1%)

John's' years are 2019-2021.

His first year to last year saw a 25.5% drop in ppg.

Thanks.


That was during when Mike left Memphis (2019) and Memphis lost players during the transition including their leading freshman rusher, 1500 yards

Yep. Always some factors involved in most situations. Seems he steadied the ship and went up his last year.

[Johnson85]

I wouldnt leave a head job making 400K for an OC job to make $1MM

Assuming a 2 year guaranteed deal for OC, that's an extra $696k after taxes. That's nothing to sneeze at. Now if you have kids in Jr High/high school range, then stability is pretty important. If you are at a spot where you can realistically coach for another 15 years with some security (I have no clue how common that would be at FCS), then that's a lot to give up if you think failure at the OC job is going to leave you working your way back up the ranks of FCS. Making an extra $700k for two years and then having to make $150k instead of $400k for 4 years while you move around is not a great deal.

Plus there is the question of how ambitious he is. Yes, he could end up looking for another job, or he could end up doing well and be in a position to get a FBS head coaching gig that makes him and his family wealthy. Really going to depend on his mindset and what he values.

[mo7888]

I wouldnt leave a head job making 400K for an OC job to make $1MM

I'd be up and outta there and take the $1M and it's not just the pay increase, it's the chance to parlay that into a higher paying HC position somewhere in a couple years. If you believe in yourself you make this move and if you don't believe in yourself like that you shouldn't be here anyway.

[Really Clark?]

I'd be up and outta there and take the $1M and it's not just the pay increase, it's the chance to parlay that into a higher paying HC position somewhere in a couple years. If you believe in yourself you make this move and if you don't believe in yourself like that you shouldn't be here anyway.

I think with Hatcher though getting a FBS HC job would still be difficult because he has a 20 year track record in FCS and multiple stops were not successful. Until this year his last 4 were below .500 at Samford. Doesn't disqualify him as an OC candidate but taken our job with an idea of becoming a FBS HC is extremely unlikely.

[MrCoachKlein]

Alright I think I have the list updated with all the candidates that have been mentioned. I'll add more as they come along. I don't know how realistic some of the ones recently mentioned are. I probably shouldn't have added Korn, but Liberty is small enough we could pull him from. Harrell isn't added because I doubt we could pull him from Purdue. Same with Arbuckle at Washington St. Just because we can afford to do it doesn't mean we need to get in a bidding war over some of these guys.

Heck we pulled CZA from Syracuse

[MrCoachKlein]

SVS-just for S&Gs?what?s Mark Hudspeth and/or Angelo Mirando up to now? Hudspeth,Bump, BP..getting the band back together

Lol, I was wondering when Hudspeth's name would pop up.

[PMDawg]

Y?all are insane.

THIS.

[mo7888]

I think with Hatcher though getting a FBS HC job would still be difficult because he has a 20 year track record in FCS and multiple stops were not successful. Until this year his last 4 were below .500 at Samford. Doesn't disqualify him as an OC candidate but taken our job with an idea of becoming a FBS HC is extremely unlikely.

It's amazing how successful as an OC on the FBS collegiate level makes boosters/AD'S focus on the recent Shiney thing instead of the past....they convince themselves that said coordinator has grown...learned etc.... it's his best chance to get an FBS HC job.

[chef dixon]

No way, $1-1.25 MIL tops if you think he's ready to call plays because he's never done it but he is making $850,000 at LSU.

Should have done sarcasterics. He's the sex party coach

[Really Clark?]

Should have done sarcasterics. He's the sex party coach

Lol. You're right! I completely forgot. Recruiting would be lit!

[Prediction? Pain.]

2018 - 42.9
2019 - 40.4 (-5.8%)
2020 - 31.0 (-23.3%)
2021 - 30.1 (-1.9%)
2022 - 35.3 (+16.1%)

John's' years are 2019-2021.

His first year to last year saw a 25.5% drop in ppg.

The total scoring year-to-year isn't quite apples-to-apples, but your point about the less-than-stellar trend is right on. Here are Memphis' national ranks in points per drive for those years:

2018 - 11th
2019 - 7th
2020 - 55th
2021 - 51st

I'm similarly underwhelmed by his stint at Indiana. He was "co-OC" there for his first three years. In '11, he was co-OC with Rod Smith. Smith left, so they brought in Littrell to be the other "co-OC" in '12 and '13. Then Littrell left and Johns was the sole OC in'14, '15, and '16. Here are Indiana's national ranks in points-per-drive during that time:

2011 - Johns and Smith - 105th
2012 - Johns and Littrell - 45th
2013 - Johns and Littrell - 25th
2014 - Johns - 99th
2015 - Johns - 35th
2016 - Johns - 104th

Also, in 2017, when he took over OC at Western Michigan after PJ Fleck's departure, the offense dropped off considerably. Maybe not a fair gauge given the staff change, but still.

[msstate7]

Why not visit Washington state again and take arbuckle? If anyone understands leaving a job you just took, it's arnett

[Really Clark?]

The total scoring year-to-year isn't quite apples-to-apples, but your point about the less-than-stellar trend is right on. Here are Memphis' national ranks in points per drive for those years:

2018 - 11th
2019 - 7th
2020 - 55th
2021 - 51st

I'm similarly underwhelmed by his stint at Indiana. He was "co-OC" there for his first three years. In '11, he was co-OC with Rod Smith. Smith left, so they brought in Littrell to be the other "co-OC" in '12 and '13. Then Littrell left and Johns was the sole OC in'14, '15, and '16. Here are Indiana's national ranks in points-per-drive during that time:

2011 - Johns and Smith - 105th
2012 - Johns and Littrell - 45th
2013 - Johns and Littrell - 25th
2014 - Johns - 99th
2015 - Johns - 35th
2016 - Johns - 104th

Also, in 2017, when he took over OC at Western Michigan after PJ Fleck's departure, the offense dropped off considerably. Maybe not a fair gauge given the staff change, but still.

I think you have consider the Norvall transition at Memphis as well. He stayed through that. 2020 Covid year and their 1500 yard RB doesn't play. His numbers at Texas Tech was really good even though it was with a HC on his last legs.

[MedDawg]

Idk why so many people on here are against paying top dollar for a proven OC

Ole miss is paying 9 million for a head coach
LSU 9.5
A&M 9
Alabama 12 or so
Auburn 6.5

Etc etc

We have a first time head coach that we promoted that we are giving him a chance that he would not have had anywhere else to be a sec head coach

We are paying him 3 million

If we are going to compete we are going to have to get him some help by bringing in a proven OC that can handle the offense , you will have to pay 2 million or above to get that and that would be fine because Zach will earn his money as a head coach if he does good he will be given annual raises

Even then that does not come anywhere near 9 million

I?m tired of the poor ole Mississippi state mindset

I like Zach and think he?s going to do great but shit.

Also anyone that thinks promoting Mason miller to OC is mentally retarded.

If Mike leach , who has called plays for 30+ years and had been a head coach for over 20 , couldn?t get this offense to scoring points on good sec defenses.

What the hell do you think his Offensive Line coach would do?

Give me a break.

If Arnett is at all successful he will get a raise to 5-6 million a year in a couple years.

[Bdawg]

If Arnett is at all successful he will get a raise to 5-6 million a year in a couple years.

Worth the money if successful. Do a good job….brings in revenue….get a raise.

[msstate7]

Does Andy Kotelnicki run his own offense at Kansas? His offenses at Buffalo and Kansas have been impressive. Run heavy though

[BankerDog]

So the coach we kick to the curb for Bumphis just got named the OC at Western Kentucky. Funny, I was told I was mad on Tuesday that we let Drew go and now you guys are realizing why.

[Eric Nies Grind Time]

So the coach we kick to the curb for Bumphis just got named the OC at Western Kentucky. Funny, I was told I was mad on Tuesday that we let Drew go and now you guys are realizing why.

You wanted to hire Hollingshead as the OC?

[Really Clark?]

So the coach we kick to the curb for Bumphis just got named the OC at Western Kentucky. Funny, I was told I was mad on Tuesday that we let Drew go and now you guys are realizing why.

Drew wasn't staying either way though. We couldn't name him OC and he got an OC job. Wished we could have but he's not staying here as a position coach

[HancockCountyDog]

You wanted to hire Hollingshead as the OC?

My guess is that he simply didn't want him replaced by Bumphis.

[msstate7]

My guess is that he simply didn't want him replaced by Bumphis.

Well if we weren't naming him OC, we'd have lost him anyway, right?

[Eric Nies Grind Time]

Our fans find a way to complain from every angle.

[Commercecomet24]

Well if we weren't naming him OC, we'd have lost him anyway, right?

Pretty much.

[msstate7]

I'm so sick of our fans complaining about our fans complaining.


Found the angle...

[Really Clark?]

Well if we weren't naming him OC, we'd have lost him anyway, right?

Yep

[BankerDog]

My guess is that he simply didn't want him replaced by Bumphis.

Your guess would be correct. I didn?t want us to push him out just to bring Bumphis back. And there is some truth that we did that. That?s why you saw weeks ago ?we are bringing back a former staffer? being leaked by Hadad and Faulk.

Because losing the lead recruiter for Sawyer, Locke, and Parson in Drew and a rising star in coaching isn?t a good look. And also losing the guy who led the QB room up until last year isn?t a good look. I knew the guy would leave eventually but he was kicked to the curb and wound up in a better coaching situation just so we could bring in a guy who just happened to play at State and some of our media could have inside information.

And by the way-was someone not on here earlier saying we should hire whoever replaces Arbuckle at Western Kentucky? Seeing as how WKU has had Kittley, Arbuckle, and now Drew-maybe that staff knows a thing or two of coaching evaluation.

[Bdawg]

Does Andy Kotelnicki run his own offense at Kansas? His offenses at Buffalo and Kansas have been impressive. Run heavy though

Ok stats man…. Know anything about Warren Ruggiero. Been at Wake for 6 years with Clawson. Not familiar with their O, but from what I read, seems to be a good OC. Maybe making around 700k, but hard to find. He may suck but his bio at wake has there offense at wake pretty high

[HancockCountyDog]

Do we actually have any semblance of a hot board at this time?

[msstate7]

I'm in the go after arbuckle right now camp

[msstate7]

Ok stats man…. Know anything about Warren Ruggiero. Been at Wake for 6 years with Clawson. Not familiar with their O, but from what I read, seems to be a good OC. Maybe making around 700k, but hard to find. He may suck but his bio at wake has there offense at wake pretty high

I find it odd he hasn't left clawson to be an OC at another school considering wake's offensive success. It also makes me think he's just an OC in name

[Really Clark?]

Your guess would be correct. I didn?t want us to push him out just to bring Bumphis back. And there is some truth that we did that. That?s why you saw weeks ago ?we are bringing back a former staffer? being leaked by Hadad and Faulk.

Because losing the lead recruiter for Sawyer, Locke, and Parson in Drew and a rising star in coaching isn?t a good look. And also losing the guy who led the QB room up until last year isn?t a good look. I knew the guy would leave eventually but he was kicked to the curb and wound up in a better coaching situation just so we could bring in a guy who just happened to play at State and some of our media could have inside information.

And by the way-was someone not on here earlier saying we should hire whoever replaces Arbuckle at Western Kentucky? Seeing as how WKU has had Kittley, Arbuckle, and now Drew-maybe that staff knows a thing or two of coaching evaluation.

But we were not replacing Drew for Bumphis. We knew we needed to replace Spurrier. That's why we got Bumphis. We also knew, before the bowl game, that Drew was looking and getting opportunities that made sense for him. Drew was being up front about it.

[BlackSailsDawg]

I'm so sick of our fans complaining about our fans complaining.




Found the angle...


Lol! I like it!

[StarkVegasSteve]

Ok stats man…. Know anything about Warren Ruggiero. Been at Wake for 6 years with Clawson. Not familiar with their O, but from what I read, seems to be a good OC. Maybe making around 700k, but hard to find. He may suck but his bio at wake has there offense at wake pretty high

Ruggerio runs whatever offense Dave Clawson tells him to run. They're heavy RPO though. They run the slowest developing RPO I have seen. With small pockets. It wouldn't work here

[StarkVegasSteve]

To update the reasoning on doubting Arbuckle, Harrell, Korn, or someone like that. I know a lot of people have said we took Arnett from Syracuse after 10 days, which is correct. However, what most don't know is that Arnett hadn't even signed an MOU(Memorandum of Understanding), much less a contract. He had been working there for 10 days without signing a damn thing. Eric George sent him our MOU and he faxed it back to us from the Syracuse football offices. It was a stroke of luck on that one. With those guys( Harrell, Arbuckle, Korn, etc) they have contracts or at the least MOU's signed and we'd have to pay them out of those. Buyouts on 2 week old contracts are generally pretty steep.

[Bdawg]

I find it odd he hasn't left clawson to be an OC at another school considering wake's offensive success. It also makes me think he's just an OC in name

From what I read, Warren is the architect of what they are running now(the last 3 years I believe)

[msstate7]

To update the reasoning on doubting Arbuckle, Harrell, Korn, or someone like that. I know a lot of people have said we took Arnett from Syracuse after 10 days, which is correct. However, what most don't know is that Arnett hadn't even signed an MOU(Memorandum of Understanding), much less a contract. He had been working there for 10 days without signing a damn thing. Eric George sent him our MOU and he faxed it back to us from the Syracuse football offices. It was a stroke of luck on that one. With those guys( Harrell, Arbuckle, Korn, etc) they have contracts or at the least MOU's signed and we'd have to pay them out of those. Buyouts on 2 week old contracts are generally pretty steep.

Wonder how steep. aTm just took Petrino

[StarkVegasSteve]

From what I read, Warren is the architect of what they are running now(the last 3 years I believe)

You are right. I was mistaken on that one. This is Ruggerio's offense. It's an offshoot of what they ran at KSU with Colin Klein.

[msstate7]

From what I read, Warren is the architect of what they are running now(the last 3 years I believe)

Then it's even more puzzling why he's still there

[StarkVegasSteve]

Wonder how steep. aTm just took Petrino


When you have alumni in the THOUSANDS who can stroke a check for 5 million dollars and not know it's gone, you don't worry about those things. We hardly have have any alumni like that. I know who our biggest donors are and there's only 3-5 that can cut checks for that amount and not care.

[msstate7]

When you have alumni in the THOUSANDS who can stroke a check for 5 million dollars and not know it's gone, you don't worry about those things. We hardly have have any alumni like that. I know who our biggest donors are and there's only 3-5 that can cut checks for that amount and not care.

I doubt arbuckle is even making 800k at wsu. How many years is his contract? We were prepared for a briles' buyout, which was probably equal. Briles is more proven though

[BrunswickDawg]

But we were not replacing Drew for Bumphis. We knew we needed to replace Spurrier. That's why we got Bumphis. We also knew, before the bowl game, that Drew was looking and getting opportunities that made sense for him. Drew was being up front about it.

Stop it. You are only supposed to post things that paint MSU in a negative light.

[Anonymous]

Keeping Spurrier wasn?t an option, neither was keeping Drew. Not sure why people are questioning this, there are a lot of obvious reasons. The right decisions were made.

You could maybe have kept Drew if you were naming him OC. Ignoring all else, if people think we are in a position to roll the dice with a first time OC who has never called plays, I don?t know what to tell you.

[Bdawg]

You are right. I was mistaken on that one. This is Ruggerio's offense. It's an offshoot of what they ran at KSU with Colin Klein.

I dont know how good he is, just throwing crap at the wall. He’s coached QBs for a long time too. I’ve read it’s the slow mesh, so that may be the O you are talking about. They have hung points on Clemson recently, so it has performed against talent.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I dont know how good he is, just throwing crap at the wall. He’s coached QBs for a long time too. I’ve read it’s the slow mesh, so that may be the O you are talking about. They have hung points on Clemson recently, so it has performed against talent.

Well he's on the list now. We'll have to pay well for him though. Makes 738K at Wake so incentives probably push it closer to 900K. Would probably take 1.3-1.4 to get him. But he's better than some of the names that have been offered. The slow mesh RPO does worry me in regards to the current QBs we have on the roster.

[CoachT14]

Get ready for Mike Bobo

[DownwardDawg]

Someone please start a new thread when a real candidate gets leaked out again.

[Cooterpoot]

Have you ever had a prostate exam from a fat-fingered Dr with long fingernails? Get ready to assume the position.

[msstate7]

Have you ever had a prostate exam from a fat-fingered Dr with long fingernails? Get ready to assume the position.

Is this just a safe prediction be we're ms state or is it based on something you've heard?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Is this just a safe prediction be we're ms state or is it based on something you've heard?

If you read between the lines on what Steve just reported it isn't good.

[parabrave]

Is this just a safe prediction be we're ms state or is it based on something you've heard?

According to a well informed longhaired author this is our next OC. He is one of the 1st guys to incorporate the Air raid and isn't afraid to get innovative!

https://youtu.be/eKbXO0f-mvw

[StarkVegasSteve]

According to a well informed longhaired author this is our next OC. He is one of the 1st guys to incorporate the Air raid and isn't afraid to get innovative!

https://youtu.be/eKbXO0f-mvw

Is he bringing Tweeder with him? Real speedster

[Big4Dawg]

Sounds likes Bobo according to 247 posters (not Steve). Gross. Rather have kept spurrier & Hollingshead

[parabrave]

Is he bringing Tweeder with him? Real speedster

No but Darcy and her whip cream is part of the package!

[BeardoMSU]

Is he bringing Tweeder with him? Real speedster

First post game presser:

"uh, coach....what play was that you called on 4th and 1?"

"It's a secret!"

[civildawg]

I literally would take anyone over Mike Bobo. I refuse to believe we are hiring him

[msstate7]

Bobo was 10th in total offense in sec in his last 2 stops (auburn and SC)

[Desoto1967]

Delete

[BeardoMSU]

Bobo was 10th in total offense in sec in his last 2 stops (auburn and SC)

10th nationally while playing in the SEC! Holy cow!**

[BeardoMSU]

Bobo was 10th in total offense in sec in his last 2 stops (auburn and SC)

Why the hell our we doing this to ourselves?

[msstate7]

10th nationally while playing in the SEC! Holy cow!**

He's a stud

[StarkVegasSteve]

I literally would take anyone over Mike Bobo. I refuse to believe we are hiring him

The new hire their hinting at becoming official today should give us a pretty good clue on who our OC is gonna be. If that hire is who I suspect it to be, then Mike Bobo will not be the OC.

[LibraryDawg]

The new hire their hinting at becoming official today should give us a pretty good clue on who our OC is gonna be. If that hire is who I suspect it to be, then Mike Bobo will not be the OC.

Who is being hinted?

[CoachT14]

Arnett should be fired on the spot if it’s where it looks like this is headed. That would take an AD with balls. Unfortunately, our good ole boy President has been sitting on his ass for 3 months.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Arnett should be fired on the spot if it’s where it looks like this is headed. That would take an AD with balls. Unfortunately, our good ole boy President has been sitting on his ass for 3 months.

I don't disagree unfortunately. If he makes the hire that most now expect him to make then he has shown us he's in way over his head and we need to pull the plug immediately. It will be a PR s***storm. And we will have to eat an enormous amount of s***. But you do it. I mean you do it now, or you fire him in a year when we go 3-9.

[msstate7]

Let me preface by saying I don't want bobo. I will say his teams fielded good offenses while at CSU. He wasn't good at SC, but muschamp gave him nothing to work with. While at auburn, I'm guessing he ran harsin's offense

[BeardoMSU]

The new hire their hinting at becoming official today should give us a pretty good clue on who our OC is gonna be. If that hire is who I suspect it to be, then Mike Bobo will not be the OC.

Does the hint leave you with more or less hope, lol?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Does the hint leave you with more or less hope, lol?

About equal. I didn't realize that the hire I think it will be has ties to both Chaney and Bobo. Just bad all the way around.

[KOdawg1]

Can't believe we're about to go from Kendal Briles to Mike f'ing Bobo.

Yikes.

[KOdawg1]

Does the hint leave you with more or less hope, lol?

Rumor is it's gonna be Will Friend as OL coach, which means the OC is most certainly Bobo

[msstate7]

Rumor is it's gonna be Will Friend as OL coach, which means the OC is most certainly Bobo

The Neshoba central boy returning home. God help us

[WhiskeyPirate]

Why would you not keep Mason Miller ? He is an outstanding o line coach

And for the shills, save your comments that Miller left on his own . Bullshit

[StarkVegasSteve]

Rumor is it's gonna be Will Friend as OL coach, which means the OC is most certainly Bobo

Yep. That's what I'm hearing as well. Which also mean we give up Mason, who 100x the OL coach that Will Friend is, He also can recruit circles around him. But hey we're gonna lock down Mississippi!!! Screw That.

[Eric Nies Grind Time]

Mike Bobo and Will Friend was also thrown around in 2020 from what I recall.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Mike Bobo and Will Friend was also thrown around in 2020 from what I recall.

The rumor then was that then Joe Judge was going to be the HC we were gonna bring Will Friend in a OL coach and maybe RGC under Will Hall as the OC. I don't remember Bobo ever being mentioned.

[yjnkdawg]

Can't believe we're about to go from Kendal Briles to Mike f'ing Bobo.

Yikes.

Briles had interest in our job. So he actually contacted us, but I agree.

[Eric Nies Grind Time]

I feel like I remember it being Judge as HC and Will and Mike being Co OC's.

[WhiskeyPirate]

Yep. That's what I'm hearing as well. Which also mean we give up Mason, who 100x the OL coach that Will Friend is, He also can recruit circles around him. But hey we're gonna lock down Mississippi!!! Screw That.

That lock down Miss stuff is hilarious

The genespage guys were posting that over on Twitter, LMAO

I’m not sure these guys are smart enough to drive down the street

[msstate7]

Briles had interest in our job. So he actually contacted us, but I agree.

More likely sexton contacted us with a plan to get his guy a raise

[KOdawg1]

Yep. That's what I'm hearing as well. Which also mean we give up Mason, who 100x the OL coach that Will Friend is, He also can recruit circles around him. But hey we're gonna lock down Mississippi!!! Screw That.

I can't believe we're voluntarily doing this to ourselves.

The rest of the SEC is rejoicing because we're tanking and they're not even having to do anything.

[yjnkdawg]

Johns and Hatcher are so far above the others on that list it just doesn't make sense. And I thought Miller was a definite stay. Seems like this whole thing had turned into a snafu, unless something drastically changes that we don't know about. Well we can say bye bye to an OL in the portal if Mason leaves and his recruiting too.

[StarkVegasSteve]

That lock down Miss stuff is hilarious

The genespage guys were posting that over on Twitter, LMAO

I’m not sure these guys are smart enough to drive down the street

They don't care. They want their precious insider info and their friends to be hired. If they ever tell you they care about State you can give a hearty 17 you and tell them it's from me. Screw all of them. Hadad and Faulk are the worst of them. How people think pizza boy and church choir are thought of as good media blows my damn mind.

[CadaverDawg]

I hope they're testing the waters by throwing Bobo out there to see how horribly it's taken...and then will go, "nope, not doing that"

[KOdawg1]

Oh, while the bad news is flowing, Bracky Brett has a chance to be our full time AD....

So there's that too

[KOdawg1]

I hope they're testing the waters by throwing Bobo out there to see how horribly it's taken...and then will go, "nope, not doing that"

Or maybe they leaked him on purpose knowing we'd react this way so now, almost any other hire possible will be rejoiced

[civildawg]

Yeah my excitement for the arnett era will officially end if this is who we are hiring. I thought ZA was a smart person.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Oh, while the bad news is flowing, Bracky Brett has a chance to be our full time AD....

So there's that too

On top of everything else. We have boosters pushing for Bracky Brett because he'll listen to them. We'll be selling home games to SEC opponents in no time at this rate.

[yjnkdawg]

More likely sexton contacted us with a plan to get his guy a raise

You got it.

[Coursesuper]

I hope they're testing the waters by throwing Bobo out there to see how horribly it's taken...and then will go, "nope, not doing that"

You give them way to much credit.

[WhiskeyPirate]

They don't care. They want their precious info and their friends to be hired. If they ever tell you they care about State you can give a hearty 17 you and tell them it's from me. Screw all of them.

They really don’t. You could see that during this season. Really some shitty ignorant people. I think with a 3-9 season they will have more access, more to bitch about, it makes them a little stronger. Really a dumb crowd that will keep falling for this.

Whose that guy “poor ole state” that posts over there ? There’s your poster boy LMAO

[Eric Nies Grind Time]

I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on AD hires. We are the best in the country at AD selection.

[yjnkdawg]

On top of everything else. We have boosters pushing for Bracky Brett because he'll listen to them. We'll be selling home games to SEC opponents in no time at this rate.

I thought Bracky wanted to retire and that was a definite?

[Dawgface]

I?d rather have Miller as OC than frigging Bobo.

[BeardoMSU]

I hope they're testing the waters by throwing Bobo out there to see how horribly it's taken...and then will go, "nope, not doing that"

but what if it's "yes, yes, yes"?

https://media1.giphy.com/media/j5bvOonZJHkXbDBS5i/giphy.gif

[StarkVegasSteve]

They really don’t. You could see that during this season. Really some shitty ignorant people. I think with a 3-9 season they will have more access, more to bitch about, it makes them a little stronger. Really a dumb crowd that will keep falling for this.

Whose that guy “poor ole state” that posts over there ? There’s your poster boy LMAO

No they'll tote the water and tell you it's not the coaches fault. They'll tell you all these "underrated" players that Bumphis is recruiting and how they're all going to pan out and be superstars. They'll tell we just have to give the new staff time. Maybe that should be our next thread, Excuses Our Dumbass Media Will Use Next Year For The Staff

[Eric Nies Grind Time]

I feel like Bobo is the guy they are throwing out so we will be relieved at the guy that was their third or fourth choice.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I thought Bracky wanted to retire and that was a definite?

I think he did. But he's probably been emboldened by all these boosters telling him how good of a job he's doing.

[yjnkdawg]

Nobody has said that list is the actual names that CZA has and hopefully that and some of this other crap is a smoke screen but it is looking more and more like it's the reality of our football program right now.

[msstate7]

I wasn't a fan of the arnett hire. I started to change my opinion when he held our class together, and he even added. I really started to change my mind when I heard KB as OC. If we end up with bobo though, man, I think we really messed up at the top. Hopefully he sees something in bobo that I don't

[KB21]

This should have been an easy decision from the very beginning. You shoot for Zach Kittley, which was always an unlikely hire. You at least try it. Then, you go to Chris Hatcher. The least amount of offensive transition would have been made with Hatcher. He's basically Mike's Air Raid with more RPO and more emphasis on running the ball but not to the point where you are a run first or run to set up the pass team. The guy has been a head coach for 22 years and is still just 49 years old.

[Cooterpoot]

I feel like Bobo is the guy they are throwing out so we will be relieved at the guy that was their third or fourth choice.

Well, people connected to the staff are saying it's Bobo. Doesn't appear to be just floating out there, other than like a big turd in a punch bowl.

[yjnkdawg]

I think he did. But he's probably been emboldened by all these boosters telling him how good of a job he's doing.

Not surprising.

[Coursesuper]

No they'll tote the water and tell you it's not the coaches fault. They'll tell you all these "underrated" players that Bumphis is recruiting and how they're all going to pan out and be superstars. They'll tell we just have to give the new staff time. Maybe that should be our next thread, Excuses Our Dumbass Media Will Use Next Year For The Staff

Are there people that don't already know this?

[WhiskeyPirate]

No they'll tote the water and tell you it's not the coaches fault. They'll tell you all these "underrated" players that Bumphis is recruiting and how they're all going to pan out and be superstars. They'll tell we just have to give the new staff time. Maybe that should be our next thread, Excuses Our Dumbass Media Will Use Next Year For The Staff

Makes you wonder sometimes if they aren’t taking money from Ole Miss or some sec big money people just to keep us at the bottom of the shitter

That actually happened at Texas tech when tech knocked off #1 Texas, the big money boys started looking for ways to sabotage the little upstart.

[Eric Nies Grind Time]

Well, people connected to the staff are saying it's Bobo. Doesn't appear to be just floating out there, other than like a big turd in a punch bowl.

Ok so I guess Will Friend will be hired today if these rumors are true.

[yjnkdawg]

This should have been an easy decision from the very beginning. You shoot for Zach Kittley, which was always an unlikely hire. You at least try it. Then, you go to Chris Hatcher. The least amount of offensive transition would have been made with Hatcher. He's basically Mike's Air Raid with more RPO and more emphasis on running the ball but not to the point where you are a run first or run to set up the pass team. The guy has been a head coach for 22 years and is still just 49 years old.


I agree on Chris Hatcher first. He would have accepted the job and we wouldn't be going through all of this crap.............. Some of these spectacular hires are going to really help our NIl aren't they.*** Briles was a pipe dream. The only way he would leave ARK was if he wanted to get away from Pittman.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Makes you wonder sometimes if they aren’t taking money from Ole Miss or some sec big money people just to keep us at the bottom of the shitter

That actually happened at Texas tech when tech knocked off #1 Texas, the big money boys started looking for ways to sabotage the little upstart.

Oh it's nothing like that. They're just not very good at their job. Steve Robertson was literally known as Rosebowl because he was wrong so many times. He gets one lucky break and everyone acts like he's the next Woj. Brian Hadad is a pizza boy, legitimately. Robbie Faulk does I think try to be a legitimate media member, but when you get brought down by everyone around you you'll never be good. There's a reason anyone who's ever been on the MSU beat tries to get the hell out as soon as possible if they're worth a damn as a journalist.

[yjnkdawg]

Oh it's nothing like that. They're just not very good at their job. Steve Robertson was literally known as Rosebowl because he was wrong so many times. He gets one lucky break and everyone acts like he's the next Woj. Brian Hadad is a pizza boy, legitimately. Robbie Faulk does I think try to be a legitimate media member, but when you get brought down by everyone around you you'll never be good. There's a reason anyone who's ever been on the MSU beat tries to get the hell out as soon as possible if they're worth a damn as a journalist.

I wish Paul would set up his own MSU site. I liked 247 a lot better before the merger.

[WhiskeyPirate]

Oh it's nothing like that. They're just not very good at their job. Steve Robertson was literally known as Rosebowl because he was wrong so many times. He gets one lucky break and everyone acts like he's the next Woj. Brian Hadad is a pizza boy, legitimately. Robbie Faulk does I think try to be a legitimate media member, but when you get brought down by everyone around you you'll never be good. There's a reason anyone who's ever been on the MSU beat tries to get the hell out as soon as possible if they're worth a damn as a journalist.

Well you say that, but honestly these moves look like program suicide. They are so obviously wrong and self destructive it’s hard to believe they are an accident or incompetence.

It appears as if crazy people are running things.

[KB21]

Ok so I guess Will Friend will be hired today if these rumors are true.

Friend is reportedly being hired by Memphis, so we will see.

[civildawg]

Not going to lie, I?ve come to despise Steve. I really wish people would stop listening to him.

[Dawgology]

More likely sexton contacted us with a plan to get his guy a raise

It was both but Sexton did us zero favors in the process and pulled the rug at the last second. He is no friend of MSU.

[Johnson85]

Oh, while the bad news is flowing, Bracky Brett has a chance to be our full time AD....

So there's that too

If we do that then I will be done. I can get boosters wanting an AD that will do what they say, but there are a lot of qualified athletic directors that will also be yes men when requested.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Well you say that, but honestly these moves look like program suicide. They are so obviously wrong and self destructive it’s hard to believe they are an accident or incompetence.

It appears as if crazy people are running things.

It's incompetence. They are looking out for themselves and the people who will help them further their careers with scoops and inside info. Which is fine, that's what media members do. But don't feed us this crap that you're fans and you care about State and then actively look to get coaches removed the staff so your friends can be on staff. So either be a fan or be a member of the media, but you can't be both.

[TorpedoIPA]

Arnett should be fired on the spot if it?s where it looks like this is headed. That would take an AD with balls. Unfortunately, our good ole boy President has been sitting on his ass for 3 months.

Arnette has a 4 year 3 million per year contract I heard. He's set then no matter how all this turns out.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I wish Paul would set up his own MSU site. I liked 247 a lot better before the merger.

I agree Paul is the best one over there by far. He is able to toe the line between being a journalist and supporting Mississippi State. I respect that. He tells it like it is and doesn't play favorites. He'll tell you when he doesn't like something. I kind of wish he would've made a move to On3 and headed up there State stuff.

[Johnson85]

Well, people connected to the staff are saying it's Bobo. Doesn't appear to be just floating out there, other than like a big turd in a punch bowl.

I just cannot believe that is possible. You really think Arnett is looking at Bobo and thinking "yea, he wasn't that great at UGA, but look at the talent constraints he was operating under. He'll be a lot better with the massive talent we have stockpiled."

Granted I think an OC that is an ex head coach is a good idea, but he also has to offer a lot as an OC.

[yjnkdawg]

It's incompetence. They are looking out for themselves and the people who will help them further their careers with scoops and inside info. Which is fine, that's what media members do. But don't feed us this crap that you're fans and you care about State and then actively look to get coaches removed the staff so your friends can be on staff. So either be a fan or be a member of the media, but you can't be both.

If Mason Miller doesn't just leave because he wants too, then anybody who participated in relieving him of his duties needs a mental exam and doesn't care about Mississippi State football like they say they do. I posted yesterday that Hollingshead would be an OC. I just didn't think it would be this soon.

[KB21]

If Mason Miller doesn't just leave because he wants too, then anybody who participated in relieving him of his duties needs a mental exam and doesn't care about Mississippi State football like they say they do. I posted yesterday that Hollingshead would be an OC. I just didn't think it would be this soon.

Drew is the next great young Air Raid coach. He's a future head coach who has been soaking up everything from Mike for the past 6 years or so.

[msstate7]

If we do that then I will be done. I can get boosters wanting an AD that will do what they say, but there are a lot of qualified athletic directors that will also be yes men when requested.

https://i.postimg.cc/prCqNNWR/435-F8824-22-D3-4403-9-D4-D-A421733-F7-EBB.jpg (https://postimg.cc/p59D8656)

[yjnkdawg]

I agree Paul is the best one over there by far. He is able to toe the line between being a journalist and supporting Mississippi State. I respect that. He tells it like it is and doesn't play favorites. He'll tell you when he doesn't like something. I kind of wish he would've made a move to On3 and headed up there State stuff.

I totally agree and at one point in time I thought he was going to make that move.

[StarkVegasSteve]

If Mason Miller doesn't just leave because he wants too, then anybody who participated in relieving him of his duties needs a mental exam and doesn't care about Mississippi State football like they say they do. I posted yesterday that Hollingshead would be an OC. I just didn't think it would be this soon.

I wasn't talking about Mason. I was referencing Hollingshead and Phelps.

[PikeDawg15]

Offer will Hall 1.7 million to be Offensive Coordinator

Southern miss can not pay that and he?s a good recruiter , he knows Mississippi , Louisiana , and Alabama very very well

Bring Frank Gore Jr with him

It will help him fast track into being a Higher up G5 head coach

He will be stuck at usm because an 7-8 win season is all they can hope for

[StarkVegasSteve]

Offer will Hall 1.7 million to be Offensive Coordinator

Southern miss can not pay that and he?s a good recruiter , he knows Mississippi , Louisiana , and Alabama very very well

Bring Frank Gore Jr with him

It will help him fast track into being a Higher up G5 head coach

He will be stuck at usm because an 7-8 win season is all they can hope for

1. Gore is not better than either Marks or Price
2. I don't give a 17 if he knows MS, LA, or AL very well. We have Tony, Rod, and Brad on staff for that.
3. WE don't have to offer Will F'N Hall 1.7 million. Offer him 700K and say take it or leave it.

[msstate7]

I was on the fence about johns, but bobo made me change my mind. Let's get Johns

[WhiskeyPirate]

1. Gore is not better than either Marks or Price
2. I don't give a 17 if he knows MS, LA, or AL very well. We have Tony, Rod, and Brad on staff for that.
3. WE don't have to offer Will F'N Hall 1.7 million. Offer him 700K and say take it or leave it. Because unfortunately he is better than Bobo or Chaney.

What is this “recruit Mississippi” shit ? Lol

That sounds like something from genespage

No wonder they hated Leach, we can’t have any of this national recruiting stuff.

[StarkVegasSteve]

What is this “recruit Mississippi” shit ? Lol

That sounds like something from genespage

No wonder they hated Leach, we can’t have any of this national recruiting stuff.

It is from GP. It's from a certain group of people that think the only way we can win is with a bunch of underrated MS diamonds in the rough. So they want to only recruit MS.

[Homedawg]

Will Friend is going to be hired. His position will not be announced until we get a OC. But I'm not buying the Bobo stuff.

[yjnkdawg]

Offer will Hall 1.7 million to be Offensive Coordinator

Southern miss can not pay that and he?s a good recruiter , he knows Mississippi , Louisiana , and Alabama very very well

Bring Frank Gore Jr with him

It will help him fast track into being a Higher up G5 head coach

He will be stuck at usm because an 7-8 win season is all they can hope for


Briles wasn't offered $2 million from what I heard from somebody who just doesn't sling something against the wall to see if it will stick like some do . It was more in the $1.8 or a little less. I think Hall left the OC position at Tulane because he wanted to be the HC at USM. So not sure why he would want to go back to a OC position but stranger things have happened I guess.

[yjnkdawg]

Will Friend is going to be hired. But I'm not buying the Bobo stuff.

What happened on Miller. I thought he was a lock to stay?

[CoachT14]

Will Friend is going to be hired. His position will not be announced until we get a OC. But I'm not buying the Bobo stuff.

So regardless it’s a downgrade.

[yjnkdawg]

I was on the fence about johns, but bobo made me change my mind. Let's get Johns

Johns or Hatcher 100% above any of the names we have heard.

[Homedawg]

What happened on Miller. I thought he was a lock to stay?

It's not a certainty one way or the other on whether he stays or goes.

[StarkVegasSteve]

What happened on Miller. I thought he was a lock to stay?

He had worked with KB before or they knew each other somehow so that was the thought process behind Miller staying. He has no connection with anyone else mentioned other than probably Hatcher and that's only through both of them knowing Mike.

[Homedawg]

So regardless it’s a downgrade.

Friend is a really good coach.

[Cooterpoot]

I have no real info but it's feeling like someone being slipped in to "save the day" from the bad hire. Maybe Mason Miller? I don't know. Something is up.

[yjnkdawg]

It's not a certainty one way or the other on whether he stays or goes.

Thanks, hopefully he will stay.

[chef dixon]

Friend is a really good coach.

So is the like Arnett to Syracuse? Wasn't friend just reportedly hired by Memphis in the last 24 hours ?

[StarkVegasSteve]

I have no real info but it's feeling like someone being slipped in to "save the day" from the bad hire. Maybe Mason Miller? I don't know. Something is up.

Let's all pray that happened. Mason would actually make a little sense. Name him OC, keep JWash at RB coach, and bring in Ryan Lindley(who CZA is bound and determined to get on staff) as QB coach. That's better than a lot of options that are currently on the table. I'm just not confident in that.

[yjnkdawg]

He had worked with KB before or they knew each other somehow so that was the thought process behind Miller staying. He has no connection with anyone else mentioned other than probably Hatcher and that's only through both of them knowing Mike.

Thanks

[BankerDog]

This should have been an easy decision from the very beginning. You shoot for Zach Kittley, which was always an unlikely hire. You at least try it. Then, you go to Chris Hatcher. The least amount of offensive transition would have been made with Hatcher. He's basically Mike's Air Raid with more RPO and more emphasis on running the ball but not to the point where you are a run first or run to set up the pass team. The guy has been a head coach for 22 years and is still just 49 years old.

Kittley told us no-twice. Wouldn?t even take an interview. Please people understand this.

As soon as people learn the same group of people who pushed for Brad Peterson and Bumphis to come back are now the one?s pushing for Bracky Brett as AD you will see what some have been saying. There is a fraction of money guys who want access and these guys give them access.

[BankerDog]

I have no real info but it's feeling like someone being slipped in to "save the day" from the bad hire. Maybe Mason Miller? I don't know. Something is up.

At this point, I think you can name him and it turn out better than Bobo. Bring Friend in as the OL coach, keep JWash as the RB coach.

Certainly a lot better than Will Hall

[BankerDog]

1. Gore is not better than either Marks or Price
2. I don't give a 17 if he knows MS, LA, or AL very well. We have Tony, Rod, and Brad on staff for that.
3. WE don't have to offer Will F'N Hall 1.7 million. Offer him 700K and say take it or leave it.

He continues to prove he is the most misinformed poster on this board.

[Commercecomet24]

I have no real info but it's feeling like someone being slipped in to "save the day" from the bad hire. Maybe Mason Miller? I don't know. Something is up.

Somethings definitely up and it's not bobo.

ETA though at this point anything is possible to

[yjnkdawg]

So is the like Arnett to Syracuse? Wasn't friend just reportedly hired by Memphis in the last 24 hours ?

Al.com had an article that said Will Friend lands new job with Memphis. Maybe we stole him from Memphis? Who knows. :rolleyes:

[StarkVegasSteve]

Paul Jones reporting now that he's hearing Bobo is a candidate, but he doesn't know if it's a done deal with him yet.

If you go by Twitter follows, Bobo has followed CZA, The CL beat writer, and Paul.

I truly can't believe Arnett is this 17 stupid. He's going to blow up the offense when the only reason we hired was to try and keep continuity with what we were doing.

[Dawgface]

Let's all pray that happened. Mason would actually make a little sense. Name him OC, keep JWash at RB coach, and bring in Ryan Lindley(who CZA is bound and determined to get on staff) as QB coach. That's better than a lot of options that are currently on the table. I'm just not confident in that.

Please let this happen. I would rather roll with Miller any day over some of these retreads mentioned.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Hell call Briles back and offer him Arnett's job.

[WinningIsRelentless]

Miller OC and Bobo qb coach

[Dawgface]

Paul Jones reporting now that he's hearing Bobo is a candidate, but he doesn't know if it's a done deal with him yet.

If you go by Twitter follows, Bobo has followed CZA, The CL beat writer, and Paul.

I truly can't believe Arnett is this 17 stupid. He's going to blow up the offense when the only reason we hired was to try and keep continuity with what we were doing.

17. Oh well......NIL was about to kill my college football enthusiasm anyway. This will be just the nail in the coffin for me.

[dawggrad08]

Hell call Briles back and offer him Arnett's job.

This .....

[chef dixon]

This .....

Lol. Then we will be in the exact same scenario for DC

[StarkVegasSteve]

Miller OC and Bobo qb coach

At this point if we're deadset on Bobo then that's the lesser of two evils.

[msstate7]

Miller OC and Bobo qb coach

If this the combo, you'd have to figure they're co

[dawggrad08]

Lol. Then we will be in the exact same scenario for DC

Doubtful, there's some DCs that we could "retread" that wouldn't be as ridiculous as the OC candidates..

[MrCoachKlein]

Miller has Tarleton State connections. Maybe he can get Greek back *

[mstatefan91]

Paul saying it's not a done deal...

Steve has gone completely silent

[Bdawg]

It is from GP. It's from a certain group of people that think the only way we can win is with a bunch of underrated MS diamonds in the rough. So they want to only recruit MS.

Dumbest crap I ever heard. Do just what leach said. Get the best you can but don?t fly over one to get to another with equal talent. My gosh it?s not hard.

[MrCoachKlein]

Miller at Tarleton State OC 14-16

2013
PPG 32.8
RYG 157.4
PYG 316.1

2014
PPG 43.7
RYG 222
PYG 300.8


2015
PPG 38.1
RYG 176.2
PYG 275


2016
PPG 27
RYG 96.4
PYG 262


2017
PPG 29.92
RYG 131.8
PYG 239

Got worse every year. Ouch. Still a homerun compared to Bobo

[StarkVegasSteve]

Dumbest crap I ever heard. Do just what leach said. Get the best you can but don?t fly over one to get to another with equal talent. My gosh it?s not hard.

Take the top 10 players from Mississippi the last 5 years. Then take the top 10 players from Louisiana, Florida, and Georgia. See how many are impact players you have. You go where the athletes are and they aren't here. We have 3-5 every 4 years that do something. You already have Tony and Rod for that. Don't waste recruiting resources for the state you already are located in.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Thank God. Steve said we don't have much interest in Bobo. Let's pray he's right on this one.

[Cooterpoot]

Never buy into the coach hiring drama in football. It's click bait. I'm going to say there's a familiar name emerging...lol

[WinningIsRelentless]

Miller at Tarleton State OC 14-16

2013
PPG 32.8
RYG 157.4
PYG 316.1

2014
PPG 43.7
RYG 222
PYG 300.8


2015
PPG 38.1
RYG 176.2
PYG 275


2016
PPG 27
RYG 96.4
PYG 262


2017
PPG 29.92
RYG 131.8
PYG 239

Got worse every year. Ouch. Still a homerun compared to Bobo

He left after 16.

[BeardoMSU]

Never buy into the coach hiring drama in football. It's click bait. I'm going to say there's a familiar name emerging...lol

This Bobo frenzy will have folks celebrating us hiring Barabas instead at this point, lol.

[LibraryDawg]

Never buy into the coach hiring drama in football. It's click bait. I'm going to say there's a familiar name emerging...lol

Go on......Lol

[StarkVegasSteve]

This Bobo frenzy will have folks celebrating us hiring Barabas instead at this point, lol.

Wait we're gonna hire Art. Awesome!!!******

[Really Clark?]

I leave for few hours to make some money and this place melts. I would too but Bobo is not the OC.

[TrapGame]

Never buy into the coach hiring drama in football. It's click bait. I'm going to say there's a familiar name emerging...lol

Mullen? ***

[BeardoMSU]

Mullen? ***

Les K.

[MrCoachKlein]

He left after 16.

And they were better in 17 than his 16 team.

[Really Clark?]

Mullen? ***

Just as QB coach

[Commercecomet24]

I leave for few hours to make some money and this place melts. I would too but Bobo is not the OC.

This it's not bobo.

[Commercecomet24]

Never buy into the coach hiring drama in football. It's click bait. I'm going to say there's a familiar name emerging...lol

Welcome home Woody Mccorvey!

[DownwardDawg]

Welcome home Woody Mccorvey!

Hahaha!!!!! Nice.

[Eric Nies Grind Time]

Never buy into the coach hiring drama in football. It's click bait. I'm going to say there's a familiar name emerging...lol

Brian Johnson?

[BeardoMSU]

Welcome home Woody Mccorvey!

Can we bring back Croom as consiglieri to Arnett? Can get get a head start on teaching him how to throw players, coaches, and the program under all the buses****

[Commercecomet24]

Can we bring back Croom as consiglieri to Arnett? Can get get a head start on teaching him how to throw players, coaches, and the program under all the buses****

Might as well go all out lol!

[msstate7]

Never buy into the coach hiring drama in football. It's click bait. I'm going to say there's a familiar name emerging...lol

Please be hev for entertainment purposes

[BeardoMSU]

Please be hev for entertainment purposes

Maybe ZA will go the Bill Belichick route and just promote one of his defensive boys to OC.

[KOdawg1]

Brian Johnson?
This was my first thought as well

[DownwardDawg]

I mean, how hard is it to look as good on offense as we did this year?

[MrCoachKlein]

This was my first thought as well

He didn't do good at Utah and bombed his 1 year at Houston. They averaged like 12 ppg the year before and after he left.

[Coursesuper]

Welcome home Woody Mccorvey!

Well done, well done indeed.

[Homedawg]

Thank God. Steve said we don't have much interest in Bobo. Let's pray he's right on this one.

Steve let that thing get way out of hand before he said anything. And his original post didn't help matters.

[Really Clark?]

Steve let that thing get way out of hand before he said anything. And his original post didn't help matters.

I mean how many extra views did he get from posting that and letting it simmer to nice rolling boil

[parabrave]

Steve let that thing get way out of hand before he said anything. And his original post didn't help matters.

We have a few AD employees who post here and they have been silent the last couple of days, I would listen to them before rosebowl

[Commercecomet24]

Steve let that thing get way out of hand before he said anything. And his original post didn't help matters.

Steve does some stuff that just boggles the mind sometimes.

[Commercecomet24]

I mean how many extra views did he get from posting that and letting it simmer to nice rolling boil

Yep and keeps all those advertisers of his happy lol

[IngomarDawg]

Will Friend hired as the OL coach

[Homedawg]

We have a few AD employees who post here and they have been silent the last couple of days, I would listen to them before rosebowl

Correct.

[civildawg]

Are we promoting miller to OC? If not, I don?t get why we wouldn?t have just kept him for OL coach

[StarkVegasSteve]

Seems that Will Friend will be hired as the OC coach.

[BeardoMSU]

https://twitter.com/HailStateFB/status/1611506190726619138?t=4ngB5WZxpxNxOT0q4JEy-Q&s=19

[Vandownbytheriver]

Steve does some stuff that just boggles the mind sometimes.

Everyone at 247 is that way. They manage to stay one step below the crap Barstool puts out. I don't trust anything those guys say. They are notorious for saying stuff that isn't factual then pull the, "things changed at the last minute." The only bright side is they managed to get all of those morons under one roof instead of across multiple websites.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Fiend is the OL coach? And we hired Bumphis... all while having NO OC. And we may promote Bracky from within?

Seems to me the "good ole boys" are running the show and CZA is bending over and spreading it for them. What OC wants to come to a place where 100% of his staff is picked? But CZA and the boosters don't seem to care. Makes you terrified of what they expect to hire. if it's a "familiar name" as was mentioned earlier it's no doubt another good ole boy hire and not who's best for the program.

I'm off Arnett, regardless of who the OC is. The fact he let Hollinghead and Miller get downgraded and BoBo is a name at all = he is in over his head/is paying back the boosters that got him to be HC by letting them pick the staff. I'll watch the games but if we don't win 8+ my opinion of Arnett won't change. What a *****

[Really Clark?]

"Will Friend, a veteran SEC coach and heralded recruiter, has been hired to Mississippi State's football staff at a position to be named later, head coach Zach Arnett announced Friday."

[Bothrops]

Friend can recruit a little

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Friend can recruit a little

So can Miller. Does this mean Friend or Miller will be the OC? God help us if so. If it means we've replaced Miller with Friend, God help us still. Terrible move

[WhiskeyPirate]

If they let Miller go, this is just absurd. Keenum must be a moron to let this go on.

[Bothrops]

So can Miller. Does this mean Friend or Miller will be the OC? God help us if so. If it means we've replaced Miller with Friend, God help us still. Terrible move

I can't believe Miller wouldn't be retained at some capacity

[mo7888]

Fiend is the OL coach? And we hired Bumphis... all while having NO OC. And we may promote Bracky from within?

Seems to me the "good ole boys" are running the show and CZA is bending over and spreading it for them. What OC wants to come to a place where 100% of his staff is picked? But CZA and the boosters don't seem to care. Makes you terrified of what they expect to hire. if it's a "familiar name" as was mentioned earlier it's no doubt another good ole boy hire and not who's best for the program.

I'm off Arnett, regardless of who the OC is. The fact he let Hollinghead and Miller get downgraded and BoBo is a name at all = he is in over his head/is paying back the boosters that got him to be HC by letting them pick the staff. I'll watch the games but if we don't win 8+ my opinion of Arnett won't change. What a *****

Pretty much this..

[yjnkdawg]

If CZA is going from not considering a modernized Air Raid Concept Offense (which we hope he is not) to a Triple Option type one then why don't we just hire either Navy, Army, or the Air Forces" OC. I am being a little facetious but if he was really seriously considering Bobo somebody needs some help and guidance. JMO

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

I can't believe Miller wouldn't be retained at some capacity

Then he's the OC or OL coach and Friend is the OC. Can't have 2 Ol coaches on staff.

[Homedawg]

Fiend is the OL coach? And we hired Bumphis... all while having NO OC. And we may promote Bracky from within?

Seems to me the "good ole boys" are running the show and CZA is bending over and spreading it for them. What OC wants to come to a place where 100% of his staff is picked? But CZA and the boosters don't seem to care. Makes you terrified of what they expect to hire. if it's a "familiar name" as was mentioned earlier it's no doubt another good ole boy hire and not who's best for the program.

I'm off Arnett, regardless of who the OC is. The fact he let Hollinghead and Miller get downgraded and BoBo is a name at all = he is in over his head/is paying back the boosters that got him to be HC by letting them pick the staff. I'll watch the games but if we don't win 8+ my opinion of Arnett won't change. What a *****

Just let it play out. Friend, bump and Peterson are solid hires.

[Really Clark?]

If CZA is going from not considering a modernized Air Raid Concept Offense (which we hope he is not) to a Triple Option type one then why don't we just hire either Navy, Army, or the Air Forces" OC. I am being a little facetious but if he was really seriously considering Bobo somebody needs some help and guidance. JMO

Triple option?

[DawgFromOxford]

Then he's the OC or OL coach and Friend is the OC. Can't have 2 Ol coaches on staff.

Why not? We had 2 WR coaches ***

[Coursesuper]

Fiend is the OL coach? And we hired Bumphis... all while having NO OC. And we may promote Bracky from within?

Seems to me the "good ole boys" are running the show and CZA is bending over and spreading it for them. What OC wants to come to a place where 100% of his staff is picked? But CZA and the boosters don't seem to care. Makes you terrified of what they expect to hire. if it's a "familiar name" as was mentioned earlier it's no doubt another good ole boy hire and not who's best for the program.

I'm off Arnett, regardless of who the OC is. The fact he let Hollinghead and Miller get downgraded and BoBo is a name at all = he is in over his head/is paying back the boosters that got him to be HC by letting them pick the staff. I'll watch the games but if we don't win 8+ my opinion of Arnett won't change. What a *****

Again for those in the back: Bracky is retiring as soon as he can, he will not be the new AD, if you believe he will be I have bridge for sale for all y?all. Now back to your previously scheduled programming.

[WhiskeyPirate]

Just let it play out. Friend, bump and Peterson are solid hires.

Maybe Peterson is the brains behind the operation

Lol

[yjnkdawg]

Steve does some stuff that just boggles the mind sometimes.

Another "What We Are Hearing" .....Throw the bait out there and let posters run with it........ and 66 pages later and counting .....Mission accomplished. Yeah I agree CC.

[yjnkdawg]

Triple option?

I said I was being facetious. Getting away from the Air Raid Concept. I just went to the extreme on the running offense.

[Really Clark?]

I said I was being facetious. Getting away from the Air Raid Concept. I just went to the extreme on the running offense.

Gotcha! Missed the context. I apologize.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Friend is NOT a good hire, Auburn fans hated him. I love Bumphos and he may be great but his resume is weak as hell and Utah fans on Reddit don't mind him leaving. Peterson is a good hire

You cannot possibly disagree that these are Good Ole Boy hires, can you? Replace 2 good coaches with 2 guys with MS ties, and bring back a analyst that used to work here. Arnett has never met these people- the boosters have. Who is calling the shots here?

Even if you disagree that the boosters are running the show, why the hell is Bobos name brought up at all? Whether we hire him or not, the fact he's been names is a red flag for whoever is calling the shots.

[Cooterpoot]

I've lost a lot of confidence in Zach Arnett. Not as much as I've lost in Mark Keenum though. Just sloppy as hell.

[yjnkdawg]

Gotcha! Missed the context. I apologize.

No apology needed...Everything is cool........... other than our OC search unless something changes.

[Coach34]

Friend is absolutely a good hire. He put together an offensive gameplan in a week that almost beat us. He's a good OL coach. We've done well so far with him and Bump. Let's see how the rest shakes out

[BeardoMSU]

Friend is absolutely a good hire. He put together an offensive gameplan in a week that almost beat us. He's a good OL coach. We've done well so far with him and Bump. Let's see how the rest shakes out

As good or better than our previous coach in the position?

[msudawglb]

Im not sure how some of you feel that this has been a train wreck? I mean, none of us are on the inside and really know how it?s going. We are getting reports from Steve, Paul, and those that think they know shit on here. We don?t know how this is really going down. Yet, some on here are throwing CZA under the bus and saying you?re ready to pull funding and this is a shit show. Y?all are some dumbasses.

[yjnkdawg]

As good or better than our previous coach in the position?

I was wondering about that too. We lost Britton to Auburn.

[mo7888]

As good or better than our previous coach in the position?

Hes not a bad coach but, it feels like a downgrade... it it comes with Bobo being attached as OC we'll be looking for a new HC shortly...2 years at most is my guess..

[chef dixon]

Some of y'all have lost it. Prob the same people that thought Miller was a shit hire 3 years ago and bitched about the OL splits

[BeardoMSU]

I was wondering about that too. We lost Britton to Auburn.

Also curious about his recruiting, so apropos.

[Coach34]

As good or better than our previous coach in the position?

As good for sure. Friend was a really good OL player in college and is well thought of. Our OL will continue to be coached well.

[Coach34]

Also curious about his recruiting, so apropos.

Friend has tons of contacts around Miss and Bama. I'm sure in other places as well.

[BeardoMSU]

As good for sure. Friend was a really good OL player in college and is well thought of. Our OL will continue to be coached well.


Friend has tons of contacts around Miss and Bama. I'm sure in other places as well.

Cool. Thanks for the info.

[Homedawg]

Friend is NOT a good hire, Auburn fans hated him. I love Bumphos and he may be great but his resume is weak as hell and Utah fans on Reddit don't mind him leaving. Peterson is a good hire

You cannot possibly disagree that these are Good Ole Boy hires, can you? Replace 2 good coaches with 2 guys with MS ties, and bring back a analyst that used to work here. Arnett has never met these people- the boosters have. Who is calling the shots here?

Even if you disagree that the boosters are running the show, why the hell is Bobos name brought up at all? Whether we hire him or not, the fact he's been names is a red flag for whoever is calling the shots.

Bobo isn't coming here. Believe what you want. You have your mind made up anyway. Don't even know why you care.

[Cooterpoot]

Our recruiting footprint is shrinking on the offensive side. Arnett is all in on MS. Good luck with that. Get ready to pound the rock.

[Commercecomet24]

Im not sure how some of you feel that this has been a train wreck? I mean, none of us are on the inside and really know how it?s going. We are getting reports from Steve, Paul, and those that think they know shit on here. We don?t know how this is really going down. Yet, some on here are throwing CZA under the bus and saying you?re ready to pull funding and this is a shit show. Y?all are some dumbasses.

Great post!

[msudawg1200]

Our recruiting footprint is shrinking on the offensive side. Arnett is all in on MS. Good luck with that. Get ready to pound the rock.
Arnett is a Rocky Long disciple. For you that don't know Rocky was a longtime coach at New Mexico and San Diego St, and he was very successful. He also was known for having stout defenses, and little to no offense. The scores from 2019 SD State regular season which was the last year Arnett was DC there before coming here:
6-0, 23-14, 31-10, 17-23, 24-10, 26-22, 27-17, 20-17, 13-17, 17-7, 11-14, 13-3. That's 19 PPG.
Arnett played and coached for Long. Long is his mentor. This might be the style of play he wants.

[sandjunky]

Arnett is a Rocky Long disciple. For you that don't know Rocky was a longtime coach at New Mexico and San Diego St, and he was very successful. He also was known for having stout defenses, and little to no offense. The scores from 2019 SD State regular season which was the last year Arnett was DC there before coming here:
6-0, 23-14, 31-10, 17-23, 24-10, 26-22, 27-17, 20-17, 13-17, 17-7, 11-14, 13-3. That's 19 PPG.
Arnett played and coached for Long. Long is his mentor. This might be the style of play he wants.
Then he won?t be here very long all while that stadium gets empty and that NIL dries up. From there, the death spiral to permanent suckage begins

[BankerDog]

Our recruiting footprint is shrinking on the offensive side. Arnett is all in on MS. Good luck with that. Get ready to pound the rock.

Those are the marching orders. Better hope those ranked in the 247 Top 10 in MS start panning out but history over the last 10 years isn?t kind.

Notice several on here are happy about these type of hired because they?re getting access to information inside the locker room. This is a joke.

[Cooterpoot]

Arnett is a Rocky Long disciple. For you that don't know Rocky was a longtime coach at New Mexico and San Diego St, and he was very successful. He also was known for having stout defenses, and little to no offense. The scores from 2019 SD State regular season which was the last year Arnett was DC there before coming here:
6-0, 23-14, 31-10, 17-23, 24-10, 26-22, 27-17, 20-17, 13-17, 17-7, 11-14, 13-3. That's 19 PPG.
Arnett played and coached for Long. Long is his mentor. This might be the style of play he wants.

Ok, that's all common knowledge. But we ain't beating anyone lining up and pounding the rock. I'm not questioning the 17ing defense. It's the offense everyone is worried about. Do you know the rebuild we're about to have if that's our plan? Massive
We're set to win next year with a similar, but tweaked offense. Going all ground and pound is a nightmare scenario. Hoping Arnett changes his mind or he won't be here long.

[BankerDog]

Arnett is a Rocky Long disciple. For you that don't know Rocky was a longtime coach at New Mexico and San Diego St, and he was very successful. He also was known for having stout defenses, and little to no offense. The scores from 2019 SD State regular season which was the last year Arnett was DC there before coming here:
6-0, 23-14, 31-10, 17-23, 24-10, 26-22, 27-17, 20-17, 13-17, 17-7, 11-14, 13-3. That's 19 PPG.
Arnett played and coached for Long. Long is his mentor. This might be the style of play he wants.

Bud I?m sorry but you don?t win anywhere no and days with just good defense. The days of the 1990 era teams are over with you. You better be able to put up points.

[BeardoMSU]

Arnett is a Rocky Long disciple. For you that don't know Rocky was a longtime coach at New Mexico and San Diego St, and he was very successful. He also was known for having stout defenses, and little to no offense. The scores from 2019 SD State regular season which was the last year Arnett was DC there before coming here:
6-0, 23-14, 31-10, 17-23, 24-10, 26-22, 27-17, 20-17, 13-17, 17-7, 11-14, 13-3. That's 19 PPG.
Arnett played and coached for Long. Long is his mentor. This might be the style of play he wants.

https://i.gifer.com/94AE.gif

Please no...

[msstate7]

Here's the top 25 rushing offenses...

https://i.postimg.cc/jd5D041Q/9-B9-FD9-B3-48-B3-4377-BE81-4-B8-B056-CB541.jpg (https://postimg.cc/9z6myZCr)

You can win games running the ball esp if you play defense

[Cooterpoot]

I'm still holding out a sliver of hope that all this is just a smoke screen. Time is running out on that.

[BankerDog]

Here's the top 25 rushing offenses...



https://i.postimg.cc/jd5D041Q/9-B9-FD9-B3-48-B3-4377-BE81-4-B8-B056-CB541.jpg (https://postimg.cc/9z6myZCr)

You can win games running the ball esp if you play defense

And most of those in the top 10 CFP rankings will have really good OL (Michigan group won Joe Moore Award for second consecutive year) but also are really balance and can get vertical. TCU, UGA, Michigan, Ole Miss could,Arkansas, UCF. You are not winning games playing 3 yards and a cloud of dust, line up in the I and roll anymore.

[Cooterpoot]

Here's the top 25 rushing offenses...

https://i.postimg.cc/jd5D041Q/9-B9-FD9-B3-48-B3-4377-BE81-4-B8-B056-CB541.jpg (https://postimg.cc/9z6myZCr)

You can win games running the ball esp if you play defense

Did you even look at that?
Sorry 7, but that's bad.

[msstate7]

Did you even look at that?
Sorry 7, but that's bad.

7 NY6/playoff teams

And in our conference, OM and ark's problem was they couldn't defend. Offense wasn't the problem.

Oklahoma's D was #122 nationally

[yjnkdawg]

So I guess this alleged change in offensive philosophy away from what we were told it was going to be is why Hatcher and Johns' names have seemed to have disappeared or maybe they have not ever been a part of the search. I used alleged because it has not been proven yet and hopefully it won't be.

[msstate7]

So I guess this alleged change in offensive philosophy away from what we were told it was going to be is why Hatcher and Johns' name have seemed to have disappeared or maybe they have not ever been a part of the search. I used alleged because it has not been proven yet and hopefully it won't be.

What's the new offensive philosophy?

[MrCoachKlein]

So out of the top 25 on your list, 3 had good seasons. TCU Mich and uga

[yjnkdawg]

What's the new offensive philosophy?

If we get away from the Modernized Air Raid Concept . If he was actually considering somebody like Bobo who has no clue of AR concept.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Ok lets address some stuff:

1) Friend was so "well respected" that post Auburn firing Memphis was all he could get. Auburn fans hated him. before that he was at TN and TN fans thought the OL was under performing their star rating (I live in TN country so know them well). Before that he was a bad OC at CSU, don't know how that OL did.
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The fact is we just poached Memphis' OL coach after every P5 program passed on him this offseason.

2) Bumphis does not have the resume to deserve this job. I'm sorry, I hope he does great, but he just doesn't... Great college player, had a cup of coffee in the league, GA, WR coach for a few years an his unit did NOT impress, and the fans of that team are fine with him leaving.

The fact is we let Hollinghead walk for the above resume because Dawg. And I get it, I want bump to be a stud coach more than I'm pulling for any other assistant. But it's maroon colored glasses to say this isn't a downgrade.

3) Chaney and Bobo. Yeah I get it, "we aren't hiring either", but when Steve got his marching orders why were they even mentioned? WHo in this coaching search is thinking "Jim Chaney, tell the fans that's who were looking at so we can guage the reaction"? You have 2 reasons to leak a name- 1) is to distract from the real hire, 2) is to see if the fans are ok with the leaked name. Well there's no big hire coming so 1) isn't it. If it was 1) we'd have head smokescreens while the Briles stuff was going on, not now

This all reeks of cigar. There is no denying it.