A&M vs MSU Game Thread: Brought to You by Blue Bell Salmonella

[Percho]

Can't we get a kicker?

[MetEdDawg]

I think it's a legitimate question

You'd think Dak would be there today, no?

I'm sure the starting QB for the Dallas Cowboys must be an easy job. Nothing could potentially take away from his time at all

[NeuteredDawg]

We score a damn touchdown and this is what is on your damn mind?

Been on my mind all game. Christ.

[TimberBeast]

Yeah Zuber caught it while laying on the ground. And he's dead the instant he possesses it because we play college ball at this level.

The problem is that you could not tell that for sure on the replay. That was one of the easiest replays to call that I?ve ever seen. You couldn?t see anything. The call on the field was going to stand regardless.

[Bdawg]

Aaaaaaand we don't kick it in the end zone. Same recipe as LSU

[ShotgunDawg]

Joey Jones says "no, no"

We can't build momentum.

Same thing happened last week vs LSU once we scored

[MetEdDawg]

The problem is that you could not tell that for sure on the replay. That was one of the easiest replays to call that I?ve ever seen. You couldn?t see anything. The call on the field was going to stand regardless.

You couldn't see him possess the ball? Really?? Thought it looked pretty clear to me

[ShotgunDawg]

Why can't 32 get off a block?

[magrooder]

Gave them an extra yard on that pass play spot.

[MaroonFlounder]

It's by far the closest game we would play to Dallas this year & the Cowboys are off.

Dak is still grossly underpaid until his new contract. How many endorsement deals does he have? About a dozen. It's his only BIG income. He's probably shooting a commercial.

[HancockCountyDog]

Rivers is playing his ass off today.

[ShotgunDawg]

Come on defense step up.

[ShotgunDawg]

Are we just going to give them underneath slants all day?

[Dawgology]

Hahahahaha haha watch our defensive line. That play was ALL EFFORT!!!*****

[Fader21]

One of the refs just shoved our players

[Red Sox Dawg]

WOW

[Lord McBuckethead]

How the 17 is that targeting?

[magrooder]

Not targeting. Wow, what a load of crap.

[Lord McBuckethead]

He's gone, but he is not defensless

[MetEdDawg]

Yeah he gone

[parabrave]

Thats a dam good tackle.

[TrapGame]

Targeting calls are getting shitty.

[magrooder]

Did not see the overturn coming.

[ShotgunDawg]

This Matt Austin guy is ridiculously stupid

[Red Sox Dawg]

Nice job replay

[Dawgology]

Our defensive line just playing slappy hands with their offensive line hahahah

[MetEdDawg]

I'm stunned at that

[Lord McBuckethead]

How come they don't move aTm all the way back.

[Scared_Hitless]

This game has been one side officiating wise if they enforce this its a damn joke

[NeuteredDawg]

Hard to play hard when rules have made game soft. Wtf is undersized DB supposed to do. Textbook tackle.

At least they got it right.

[TrapGame]

That was too easy.

[Red Sox Dawg]

Too easy

[vv83]

Aaand doesn’t matter

[parabrave]

Hey they got it right. And they got a 15 yarder.

[R2Dawg]

We need the Errol Thompson from 2 years ago. He is slow, slow and out of shape. He has the speed of a noseguard.

[bluelightstar]

This team turns good things into bad so fast. Just like last week

[NeuteredDawg]

Nice coverage

[TimberBeast]

All that crap just so they can throw the easiest touchdown pass in the SEC this season

[Bdawg]

Awesome coverage. Every time the O does something the D just gives it back up.

[Lord McBuckethead]

What was #1 covering there?

[Really Clark?]

Good grief...discipline JoMo!!!! Come on!!

[ShotgunDawg]

Way to go defense.

Way to step up!

[MetEdDawg]

Cover 2. Safety bailed. Jones expected help and didn't get it

[tcdog70]

Why even ask Austin ? He is a dumb ass

[EdDawg]

Matt Austin is the biggest moron on tv, worse than Gary Danielson.

[msudawg1200]

I said it last year, Shoop is what his career says: Average.

[Red Sox Dawg]

Defense just can't stop them

[ShotgunDawg]

I'm thinking Emerson may be really stupid.

He blows more coverages than any player I've ever seen

I realize he's a FR, but still, he blows a coverage once a game

[tcdog70]

Cover 2. Safety bailed. Jones expected help and didn't get it

We suck at zone coverage.. just man up and stick with your man

[NeuteredDawg]

We can't get any pressure without bringing 7.

[PMDawg]

Just checking in. Oh, we're still hot garbage under this imbecile of a coach? [Checking out]

[MetEdDawg]

We suck at zone coverage.. just man up and stick with your man

Trying to help out a young corner there. Give some safety help over the top.

Would love to know where that safety went on that play

[msudawg1200]

Shit, Joey Jones is terrible

[Coursesuper]

My goodness that was some zero effort defense right there.

[Cooterpoot]

We suck
We suck
We suck
It?s damn sure a rebuild now. Next coach will have his work cut out for him.

[Really Clark?]

I said it last year, Shoop is what his career says: Average.

The only time he has been average is when he has to coach for dumpster fires going under...Butch was flaming out and Moorehead is flaming out. The whole program is in trouble

[ShotgunDawg]

And Joey Jones' unit sucks again

[MetEdDawg]

If that's quarters coverage then yep. The CB messes that up

[bluelightstar]

This team could barely score on Ole Miss, fyi

[smootness]

Moorhead will go down as one of the worst P5 coaches of all time.

And it was all obvious by week 5 last year.

[Red Sox Dawg]

Brought more than we could block

[ShotgunDawg]

If that's quarters coverage then yep. The CB messes that up

They blow a coverage every game

[Coursesuper]

This is so bad now that it's just laughable.

[Irondawg]

Boy if Schrader would have stepped up he could have run for days from where the blitz came from.

[ShotgunDawg]

Moorhead will go down as one of the worst P5 coaches of all time.

And it was all obvious by week 5 last year.

He's pretty terrible. Completely overmatched

[CoachT14]

Kylin Hill's version of effort = Jumping around stupidly.

[EdDawg]

I use to love college football, but with the current refs, NCAA, and sec every week I get closer to not caring if it even exists as a sport. Obviously our play probably has something to do with that feeling as well.

[ShotgunDawg]

Boy if Schrader would have stepped up he could have run for days from where the blitz came from.

Maybe. It was a narrow ally

[KOdawg1]

This team could barely score on Ole Miss, fyi

Ole Miss is going to skull drag us. In one year, our programs have reversed, and the coaches entirely to blame

[Red Sox Dawg]

Someone has to cover the back

[DownwardDawg]

Why am I watching this? I must be sick. My 20 year old son just laughed at me for putting myself through this.

[Really Clark?]

Run the ball Joe...give Shrader and Gibson options to run as well. That is how we will open it up. He is off today throwing you have to set it up through running the ball. They are worse on run defense as well. It there but you have to stick with it!!!

[TimberBeast]

I use to love college football, but with the current refs, NCAA, and sec every week I get closer to not caring if it even exists as a sport. Obviously our play probably has something to do with that feeling as well.

The refs are the least of our problems right now.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Yep. When aTm scores on the drive, I am done.

[DownwardDawg]

Ole Miss is going to skull drag us. In one year, our programs have reversed, and the coaches entirely to blame

Yep. Joe will be fired thanksgiving weekend. That’s the only bright spot to come from all this.

[Dawgology]

I have on GOOD AUTHORITY that this team is improving!!!! ****

[Scared_Hitless]

Sends Kylin into that gap to block he doubles the DT and lets CB come in untouched Shrader has to be questioning following Joe at this point

[Maroonthirteen]

Well I logged on to air my frustration but y’all have covered it.

Just embarrassing. Frustrating and.....

Looking forward to LSU/Auburn and Michigan/ND tonight

[TimberBeast]

I would gain a ton of respect for Cohen if moorhead is not on the sideline in the second half of this game.

[Dawgology]

The refs are the least of our problems right now.

Correct. We couldn’t beat a team of folding chairs with no refs on the field at this point.

[R2Dawg]

I use to love college football, but with the current refs, NCAA, and sec every week I get closer to not caring if it even exists as a sport. Obviously our play probably has something to do with that feeling as well.

Sometimes I feel the same way. The bias officiating has gotten so obvious. Not even talking about MSU games either although we get our share too but they are going to protect the big boys. Feel for Aub today. They will have to be 3 TDs better than LSU to win. The network ain't letting LSU lose. They have invested a month talking about LSU and Bama game.

[dawgday166]

I imagine TAM is bringing some blitz packages today that Joe hasn't seen them do all year. We seem to bring out the best in other teams ****

Every team we lose to seems to do something we're totally unprepared for and can't adjust to.

[Commercecomet24]

Pass on first down for nothing run on second down for short gain throw on third down and long against all out blitz predictable? Lol

[CoachT14]

I have on GOOD AUTHORITY that this team is improving!!!! ****

I imagine something along the lines of the press conference will point out the one drive where we did something offensively and completely ignore all the other crap.

[Bdawg]

I use to love college football, but with the current refs, NCAA, and sec every week I get closer to not caring if it even exists as a sport. Obviously our play probably has something to do with that feeling as well.

Refs and replay are really starting to ruin it for me. It's every single game, and there are multiple calls a game.

[Saltydog]

"We'll get it fixed"......

[trojandawg]

I?m pretty sure Moorhead reads the message boards.

[Maroonthirteen]

Yep. Joe will be fired thanksgiving weekend. That’s the only bright spot to come from all this.

Are you sure? Because it would be the most Mississippi State thing ever to finish 4-8 AND retain Moorhead And Shoop

[Cooterpoot]

I’m done for this season. And sadly, that’s more than what this bunch is putting into our program. Fire everybody including John Cohen and start over. We couldn’t do worse.

[dawgday166]

I?m pretty sure Moorhead reads the message boards.

Hell I know he does. And pretty sure he does that a lot more than watch film.

[BeardoMSU]

"We'll get it fixed"......

We really suck on days he doesn't take his coaching pills...**

[Red Sox Dawg]

D with a nice stop.

[Saltydog]

He posts under the username of Coach 007...?.

[ShotgunDawg]

Good job defense

[Percho]

Do we have checkdowns? D we have a slant pass play?

[Red Sox Dawg]

OMG

[TrapGame]

And we cough it up.

[defiantdog]

Gibson fumbles in every game he plays

[MaroonFlounder]

Gibson fans. Kylin don't fumble

[Lord McBuckethead]

Even when we do good, we do bad.

[ShotgunDawg]

The player development on this team is an absolute abortion

[Red Sox Dawg]

WE can't stand prosperity. Great effort, bad fumble.

[KOdawg1]

Gibson fans. Kylin don't fumble

Kylin is also a soft *****. Pick your poison

[Bdawg]

And that's why Gibson doesn't play!!

[bluelightstar]

Moorhead has taken all the fun out of Mississippi State football

[GreenheadDawg]

We suck in every aspect of the game. Just a really bad football team all together

[TheLostDawg]

We suck again

[CoachT14]

Gibson fans. Kylin don't fumble

I'd gander to say that if Gibson had gotten all the reps Hill gets, it wouldn't be near the issue.

[Really Clark?]

Gibson fumbles in every game he plays

Haha. 489 consecutive carries without a fumble for us, so no he doesn’t fumble every game he plays. Goodness. But 2 bad ones last week and this one hurts bad

[magrooder]

that is not a td. He was down with his right hand.

[Bdawg]

Over before the half. AGAIN!!

[DownwardDawg]

Moorhead has taken all the fun out of Mississippi State football

That describes it perfectly.

[dawgday166]

Kylin is also a soft *****. Pick your poison

Unfortunately that's where we're at. RB coaching sucks too.

[ZedFedder]

I know there’s a lot of hate right now, but our defense has done pretty well all things considered. They’ve had no break because of the offense. Even with that TD.

[ShotgunDawg]

Another slant pass.

It's all they've run on 3rd down all day & we look clueless

[msstate7]

that is not a td. He was down with his right hand.

Lol

[NeuteredDawg]

Leo Lewis with another weak attempt to put receiver on the ground.

[MetEdDawg]

Why are we not jamming at the line when we bring that many???

[ShotgunDawg]

I know there’s a lot of hate right now, but our defense has done pretty well all things considered. They’ve had no break because of the offense. Even with that TD.

No they haven't. Absurd post..

Regardless of the circumstances, they've given up 28 points in the 1st half. That's awful

[bobtail bob]

How much longer do we have to endure this,John Cohen ? It wasn?t before but now it is a rebuild. End this embarrassment and start over

[msstate7]

Another slant pass.

It's all they've run on 3rd down all day & we look clueless

Bc we blitz opening the middle. Jimbo not dumb like joe

[Fader21]

Well I am glad the bull in the ring got us fired up.

[TimberBeast]

that is not a td. He was down with his right hand.

Does it really matter?

[MetEdDawg]

How is that a touchdown????

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

No they haven't. Absurd post..

Regardless of the circumstances, they've given up 28 points in the 1st half. That's awful

I think the worst field position A&M has had today is their own 40.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Can't just hold on to a tackle until they blow the whistle.

[defiantdog]

I'd gander to say that if Gibson had gotten all the reps Hill gets, it wouldn't be near the issue.

Or maybe that?s why he doesn?t get reps

[Red Sox Dawg]

I wanted to discuss the game...but it's over. Nothing I can think of to say.

[Saltydog]

They scored 27 versus UM in the whole game. Got 28 on us in a half. YES, we are THAT bad.

[magrooder]

Lol

They didn't call it, but you can't use the hand you are carrying the ball in to keep you from falling. He should have been ruled down, not that it would have mattered for long.

[Cloak]

That last TD shows a lot about our mentality as a program. As the receiver catches the ball, no one swarms to the ball. They simply sit back and watch as the tackle is missed.

[Commercecomet24]

Not that it matters but that wasn't a td. SEC officiating sucks even in blowouts lol

[DownwardDawg]

How is that a touchdown????

Technically it wasn’t, but whatever. Hopefully they’ll score 70.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Leo Lewis with another weak attempt to put receiver on the ground.

No. He just watched as other guy tried to tackle him. Let him get back up, and then run into the endzone. Leo within 5 yards the whole time.

[Really Clark?]

28 points so far...27 last week vs UNM. A & M 230 yards so far...337 yards entire game last week. UNM gained 405 last week, running it 40+ times...we have 105 yards so far

[Bdawg]

I think the worst field position A&M has had today is their own 40.

Started at the 35 because we didn't kick it in the endzone.

[TimberBeast]

How is that a touchdown????

It wasn’t but I think the refs pretty well knew that they would likely just score on the next play or two.

[CoachT14]

Or maybe that?s why he doesn?t get reps

Career Stats
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STATS
2019
2018
2017
2016
ATT YDS AVG TD LNG REC YDS AVG TD LNG FUM LST
12 59 4.9 2 19 1 24 24.0 0 24 0 0
27 205 7.6 1 62 5 36 7.2 0 12 0 0
45 239 5.3 1 39 3 25 8.3 0 12 0 0
9 57 6.3 0 14 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0

Up until the last two weeks he had 0 career fumbles. Don't try being an arrogant tool if you don't have the stats to back it up.

[dantheman4248]

It’s a contest to see who plays worse. Us or the refs.

[RocketDawg]

Shrader has looked terrible today. He's looked pretty decent in provious games. Wonder what happened? It's not because A&M is all that good.

[msstate7]

Nice blocking

[Really Clark?]

See, the runs are there Joe but no, couldn’t commit to it could you. Freaking dumbest genius I’ve ever seen

[Cooterpoot]

Joe Moorhead should resign tonight. If not, he should be fired tonight.

[TimberBeast]

I said it several pages back and I’ll say it again, Hill is 10 times the back that Gibson is. His effort is just not always there and that’s 100% on our coach.

[Red Sox Dawg]

Serious question, why don't we throw short passes?

[Really Clark?]

Love Shrader but bad day throwing. 4-13 45 (most on 1 throw) yards and Pick....kind of

[Quaoarsking]

Is Keytaon there? Is it finally time to get him in a game?

[msstate7]

Good run

[RocketDawg]

Kansas State is hanging with Oklahoma. Last time I looked it was 20-17. As if that makes us look better ....

[Cooterpoot]

Serious question, why don't we throw short passes?

Because it’s about chunk yards dummy...

[TimberBeast]

Joe Moorhead should resign tonight. If not, he should be fired tonight.

Exactly. This cant go on any further, regardless of the cost.

[magrooder]

Can't even block when holding.

[Coursesuper]

75 is a liability out there why did 63 come out of the game?

[msudawg1200]

You aren’t changing the culture Sloppy, you’ve already changed it. From tough to soft. From respected to a fricking joke. Please leave. Please.

[Really Clark?]

75 is a liability out there why did 63 come out of the game?

Think his helmet came off

[Red Sox Dawg]

Because it?s about chunk yards dummy...

Thanks for the serious answer. Never 17'n mind.

[RocketDawg]

We're looking a lot like our team from the '60s.

[Really Clark?]

Great pass and catch and good block Hill

[Randolph Dupree]

I'll be damned. Hill pass blocked.

[ShotgunDawg]

First time I've ever seen Kylin pass block

[TrapGame]

These little spurts of competence are not giving me the warm fuzzies.

[msudawg1200]

Is it best from here on out to just get the dog crap beat out of us in every game, or are we stuck with this genius fool regardless?

[Saltydog]

He's NOT gonna play this year AT ALL. He's done. Not sure why nobody can grasp that.

[RocketDawg]

Kansas State is hanging with Oklahoma. Last time I looked it was 20-17. As if that makes us look better ....

Now KSU is ahead 24-20.

[Coursesuper]

Think his helmet came off

Then he should have missed one play not have the other guy in there 3 or 4 plays later. That's on the staff.

[ShotgunDawg]

See that's where Kylin sucks.

He has a clear hole on a cut back there, but completely missed it. Could've score but only got 2 yards

[KOdawg1]

Coming out of a timeout, and that's what we call.

[defiantdog]

Career Stats
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STATS
2019
2018
2017
2016
ATT YDS AVG TD LNG REC YDS AVG TD LNG FUM LST
12 59 4.9 2 19 1 24 24.0 0 24 0 0
27 205 7.6 1 62 5 36 7.2 0 12 0 0
45 239 5.3 1 39 3 25 8.3 0 12 0 0
9 57 6.3 0 14 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0

Up until the last two weeks he had 0 career fumbles. Don't try being an arrogant tool if you don't have the stats to back it up.
0 career fumbles lost..... I said fumbles.

[MetEdDawg]

Is it best from here on out to just get the dog crap beat out of us in every game, or are we stuck with this genius fool regardless?

He has a 9 million dollar buyout. He's not getting fired. So why would you want the dog crap beat out of us?

[ShotgunDawg]

He has a 9 million dollar buyout. He's not getting fired. So why would you want the dog crap beat out of us?

you have to fire him. We won't pay 9 mil.

Stop spouting that bullshit

[Randolph Dupree]

Savant

[ShotgunDawg]

What are we doing?

[Really Clark?]

Yeah!! We got double digit points in one half!!! Explosive JoMo!!!

[Quaoarsking]

He's NOT gonna play this year AT ALL. He's done. Not sure why nobody can grasp that.

Joe Moorhead has explicitly said otherwise, so it's worth discussion.

[msudawg1200]

He has a 9 million dollar buyout. He's not getting fired. So why would you want the dog crap beat out of us?

So, if we lose say 49-10 today, 31-10 next week week, 69-0 vs Bama, and 42-3 against Ole Miss he comes back? There’s no way in hell. That being said I want to win.

[MetEdDawg]

you have to fire him. We won't pay 9 mil.

Stop spouting that bullshit

Yeah actually we do. Tell me how we don't pay him? It's in his contract man. Quit being dumb.

[BayouDawg]

Yeah!! We got double digit points in one half!!! Explosive JoMo!!!

Well I mean he is a savant lol

[ShotgunDawg]

So, if we lose say 49-10 today, 31-10 next week week, 69-0 vs Bama, and 42-3 against Ole Miss he comes back? There’s no way in hell. That being said I want to win.

He'll be fired

the MSU fan base should picket if he isn't

Pure insanity to not fire him

[msu15]

We kicked a field goal loloolololololl

[ShotgunDawg]

Yeah actually we do. Tell me how we don't pay him? It's in his contract man. Quit being dumb.

You quit being dumb. We've got plenty of money to pay him.

You can't afford not to fire him. You'll lose 9 mil on ticket sales & other stuff next year.

It's a crappy situation, but the program comes first.

[Saltydog]

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see him out there but I seriously doubt it's going to happen. He's better than anything we have right now so there's a reason he's not playing.

[CoachT14]

He has a 9 million dollar buyout. He's not getting fired. So why would you want the dog crap beat out of us?

This line of thinking is exactly why we are perennially awful and why we have Moorhead in the first place. This we are Mississippi State and we shouldn't expect better is dumb and does nothing to help the program move forward.

[MetEdDawg]

So, if we lose say 49-10 today, 31-10 next week week, 69-0 vs Bama, and 42-3 against Ole Miss he comes back? There’s no way in hell. That being said I want to win.

Correct. He will leave before we fire him.

If we had $9 million to throw around for a buyout, don't you think we could have afforded a more prestigious head coach?

[Really Clark?]

He has a 9 million dollar buyout. He's not getting fired. So why would you want the dog crap beat out of us?

4-8 and the athletic dept, admin, and boosters have already had discussions about cutting him loose this year. Buyout, new coach buyout (if there is one), etc. has already been discussed. Will they do it? I don’t know but they have and are having discussions about what to do

[parabrave]

Cohen you need to order Mo to hire an OC/playcaller next year. This is a must.

[MetEdDawg]

You quit being dumb. We've got plenty of money to pay him.

You can't afford not to fire him. You'll lose 9 mil on ticket sales & other stuff next year.

It's a crappy situation, but the program comes first.

I'll say it again, if we had $9 million to throw around we would have gotten a better head coach initially.

[dawgday166]

See that's where Kylin sucks.

He has a clear hole on a cut back there, but completely missed it. Could've score but only got 2 yards

I said last year he doesn't have good vision. He has been way over-hyped. And he ain't that fast either ... he was run down by MLB while ago.

[Saltydog]

Kylin is not near the back here many want to think he is. He's just not explosive enough and as you point out, his vision is not great either.

[MetEdDawg]

4-8 and the athletic dept, admin, and boosters have already had discussions about cutting him loose this year. Buyout, new coach buyout (if there is one), etc. has already been discussed. Will they do it? I don’t know but they have and are having discussions about what to do

Discussions? Sure. Big difference between discussions and actually doing it.

[CoachT14]

0 career fumbles lost..... I said fumbles.

Well please tell me how those 0 career fumbles lost prove your previous statement.

[Really Clark?]

Yeah actually we do. Tell me how we don't pay him? It's in his contract man. Quit being dumb.

It won’t be in one lump sum payment, new job offsets the buyout and they will be negotiating the terms and amount.

[TimberBeast]

4-8 is going to require us to play better.

[dawgday166]

Cohen you need to order Mo to hire an OC/playcaller next year. This is a must.

Need to get rid of Mo. This is a HC problem more than anything.

[CoachT14]

I'll say it again, if we had $9 million to throw around we would have gotten a better head coach initially.

They were willing to give Mullen $6 million a year so I imagine we can find $3 million to fire our bargain bin hire.

[Saltydog]

We're going to get the dog crap beat out of us, sans the Abilene game. Yes, I'm including a loss at Upig.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Kansas State 24 Oklahoma 23. Big 12 teams hire Matt Wells. Chris Klieman. Neal Brown and we are stuck with Sloppy. Pitiful

[MetEdDawg]

It won’t be in one lump sum payment, new job offsets the buyout and they will be negotiating the terms and amount.

Of course it will. Again, if we could afford to pay someone to leave, we would have hired a better coach to begin with.

That's why rumors are of Moorhead going to another school, not getting fired.

[parabrave]

Serious question, why don't we throw short passes?

Because JOMOs offense is based on getting the "BIG PLAY". and unless you have Bama/LSU talent that crap won't work in the SEC.

[TrapGame]

4-8 is going to require us to play better.

We look unprepared, slow and just a cluster.

[bobtail bob]

Nine million,twelve million,whatever. This lazy son of a bitch doesn?t deserve a dime and we should tell him so on the way out the door. We are are already on probation on his watch. Use that against him

[MetEdDawg]

They were willing to give Mullen $6 million a year so I imagine we can find $3 million to fire our bargain bin hire.

We are already paying Joe 3.2. So we need to find an additional $6 million (monthly payments over a couple years) AND we still have to pay a new coach. Do more math. That money has been eaten up elsewhere.

[MetEdDawg]

Nine million,twelve million,whatever. This lazy son of a bitch doesn?t deserve a dime and we should tell him so on the way out the door. We are are already on probation on his watch. Use that against him

This is why people think we are stupid.

He takes us to court, he wins, we still have to pay, plus we lose money on court.

What a dumb post

[ShotgunDawg]

Of course it will. Again, if we could afford to pay someone to leave, we would have hired a better coach to begin with.

That's why rumors are of Moorhead going to another school, not getting fired.

What are you talking about?

We can afford to fire him & we could've afforded a much more expensive coach.

This was Cohen's choice, not someone that was forced on him

[ShotgunDawg]

This is why people think we are stupid.

He takes us to court, he wins, we still have to pay, plus we lose money on court.

What a dumb post

We can afford to fire him. I don't understand where your information is coming from that we can't

[HancockCountyDog]

A part of me thinks that Joe does not want to put KT in and run the Fitz offense because it might work and therefore really make him look bad.

I can’t think of a legit reason otherwise.

[ShotgunDawg]

We are already paying Joe 3.2. So we need to find an additional $6 million (monthly payments over a couple years) AND we still have to pay a new coach. Do more math. That money has been eaten up elsewhere.

You must assume we are poor or something.

I have no other conclusion for your stance

[Coursesuper]

I'll say it again, if we had $9 million to throw around we would have gotten a better head coach initially.

I'm going to call bullshit here, you do not know of what you speak on this matter.

[Really Clark?]

We are already paying Joe 3.2. So we need to find an additional $6 million. Do more math. That money has been eaten up elsewhere.

We have the money and then some. What he have to be careful of is if his replacement is a dud. That one may have to stick around a little longer because we don’t want 2 buyout payments and paying for a HC at the same time. But we can buyout Joe and pay well for his replacement

[bobtail bob]

This is why people think we are stupid.

He takes us to court, he wins, we still have to pay, plus we lose money on court.

What a dumb post

Really ? Are you a lawyer ? I?m betting his weak ass would settle for two million and run away

[maroonmania]

Need to get rid of Mo. This is a HC problem more than anything.

Yep, I have no clue what we will do, but I don't know that I have ever seen a program destroyed this quickly. We are absolutely right back in the Croom Error. And for those that say we can't afford to buy him out. If your season tickets drop by 10,000 next year you are looking at a loss of probably probably around 10 million dollar between ticket sales, parking, concessions, etc. And that doesn't even count the drop in Bulldog Club contributions.

[MetEdDawg]

We can afford to fire him. I don't understand where your information is coming from that we can't

Our actions show me we can't afford it. If we want a really solid next hire, we have to do the following:

1) Pay Moorhead's buyout
2) Pay our new HC more than what Moorhead makes IF we want a good one (and potentially pay a buyout for said new HC)
3) Fire a decent portion of our on field staff and pay to get better ones.

If you really want us to get better, we have to spend a shit ton of money to fire Moorhead. I'm not saying it shouldn't happen. It should. But it won't.

He will go to another job first. If we could afford all of that, Moorhead wouldn't be the HC. We would have offered $6 million to someone else that would have come here.

[TimberBeast]

We have the money and then some. What he have to be careful of is if his replacement is a dud. That one may have to stick around a little longer because we don’t want 2 buyout payments and paying for a HC at the same time. But we can buyout Joe and pay well for his replacement

This is correct, the next one is the one you have to be sure about.

[timotheus]

cohen chose not to go after a guy with HC experience. It didn't work. Now I want to see how much Cohen values his position at MSU.

[ShotgunDawg]

Our actions show me we can't afford it..

Explain further?

What actions?

The actions that I perceive are that we simply tried to repeat the Mullen hire. Many great head coaches have come from the coordinator level, so it wasn't an awful idea.

[CoachT14]

We are already paying Joe 3.2. So we need to find an additional $6 million (monthly payments over a couple years) AND we still have to pay a new coach. Do more math. That money has been eaten up elsewhere.

Translated, "We here at Poor Old Mittippi State can't afford to be successful. We should be happy with mediocrity because we are just Poor Old Mittippi State." Go somewhere else with that loser mentality. We can afford better coaches and to fire this bargain bin hire, but that takes John Cohen being a man and owning up to his mistake. Which I highly doubt he will ever do.

[MetEdDawg]

Really ? Are you a lawyer ? I?m betting his weak ass would settle for two million and run away

Explain why he would settle. You doubled down the stupidity.

[MetEdDawg]

Explain further?

What actions?

If we had all this money to throw around, why are our assistants some of the lowest paid in our division? Why didn't we open up the pocket boom and pay $6 million to get someone with better name recognition?

If we are sitting on piles of cash, you all should be really pissed we aren't using it to hire better staff.

[MetEdDawg]

Translated, "We here at Poor Old Mittippi State can't afford to be successful. We should be happy with mediocrity because we are just Poor Old Mittippi State." Go somewhere else with that loser mentality. We can afford better coaches and to fire this bargain bin hire, but that takes John Cohen being a man and owning up to his mistake. Which I highly doubt he will ever do.

You're not smart. Moorhead should be gone. I agree with that. But we won't fire him.

[bobtail bob]

Explain why he would settle. You doubled down the stupidity.

I won?t be explaining shit to you because we both know whatever I said wouldn?t really matter. You know how I feel and I know how you feel

[parabrave]

The biggest snub is Heisman Trophy in history is now Saquon Barkley. Barkley should sue Moorhead for royalties.

[ShotgunDawg]

If we had all this money to throw around, why are our assistants some of the lowest paid in our division? Why didn't we open up the pocket boom and pay $6 million to get someone with better name recognition?

If we are sitting on piles of cash, you all should be really pissed we aren't using it to hire better staff.

- We tried to get Don Brown

- Name recognition? WTF does that have to do with hiring a good football coach. Cohen tried to repeat the Mullen hire, but chose the wrong man. We could've paid much more, but Cohen didn't feel it was necessary because he though Joe was the right guy. His judgement was awful

[ShotgunDawg]

You're not smart. Moorhead should be gone. I agree with that. But we won't fire him.

This is where we disagree. I think we will one way or another. There just isn't any hope & it's clear he's not the guy

[MetEdDawg]

I won?t be explaining shit to you because we both know whatever I said wouldn?t really matter. You know how I feel and I know how you feel

So you don't know. Makes more sense.

You ever heard someone say "you know what, you owe me $9 million, but I'm good with $2 million. 22% of what you were supposed to pay me is ok by me! Thanks for the bargain!"

So dumb.

[Coursesuper]

From where this program currently sits, it's going to take a while to dig out of this hole. The revenue loss is going to be staggering, imagine 3 to 4 more years of this shit show even if and when we change a coach. The right guy could possibly dig out in a year or two, but I have zero confidence in the AD not go cock up the outcome.

[MetEdDawg]

- We tried to get Don Brown

- Name recognition? WTF does that have to do with hiring a good football coach. Cohen tried to repeat the Mullen hire, but chose the wrong man. We could've paid much more, but Cohen didn't feel it was necessary because he though Joe was the right guy. His judgement was awful

It's what a shit ton of you wanted when we hired Moorhead. And it's at least mildly important, especially with recruiting. It's a component when you play against Saban, Malzahn, Fisher, and Orgeron every year. Not the most important component, but a component.

[CoachT14]

You're not smart. Moorhead should be gone. I agree with that. But we won't fire him.

I'm not the one trying to claim we are too poor to fire this guy. If he goes 4-8, he will not be the coach here next year. If somehow that is wrong, it won't be because we couldn't afford it.

The only person in this thread not looking smart is you because of your consistent thought for low expectations.

[Bothrops]

Having two starting OL out, negated any possibility of a win today. This offense, however, is broken, it doesn't work. Plus this team is physically out of shape. Kylin can't see a hole when it presents and we can't kick now. This season is officially a wash and bowl eligibility dashed. Regardless of what happens after the season, we will be trying to climb out of a hole to make this a bowl program again.

[bobtail bob]

How much does Cohen make ? Maybe we should have made Muffin AD .

[Activated Alpha]

- We tried to get Don Brown

- Name recognition? WTF does that have to do with hiring a good football coach. Cohen tried to repeat the Mullen hire, but chose the wrong man. We could've paid much more, but Cohen didn't feel it was necessary because he though Joe was the right guy. His judgement was awful

In his defense, he was the right guy on paper. We all thought Joe was going to do great here, outside a very small portion, but it is not on John. Like Todd has said many times, sometimes management gets duped at the hire they made. Great resume, great references, and good experience from other companies. What sometimes happens is when the promotion to executive level is more than the person can chew and was not mentally prepared for it. SEC HC is not the same as HC at a division II program. His judgment is awful when you put it in a hindsight perspective, but wasn't awful in the current moment of 2017. Now going forward, anything he does to keep Joe outside of going 6-6 and a win in a bowl game will be bad judgment.

[KOdawg1]

Why do we do the pooch kick on kickoffs? Kick it through the back of the end zone and make them start at the 25

[MetEdDawg]

I'm not the one trying to claim we are too poor to fire this guy. If he goes 4-8, he will not be the coach here next year. If somehow that is wrong, it won't be because we couldn't afford it.

The only person in this thread not looking smart is you because of your consistent thought for low expectations.

You do know there's another option right? He doesn't have to get fired to leave. He could say, take the Rutgers head job.

You think those rumors are fake?

[Tbonewannabe]

Our actions show me we can't afford it. If we want a really solid next hire, we have to do the following:

1) Pay Moorhead's buyout
2) Pay our new HC more than what Moorhead makes IF we want a good one (and potentially pay a buyout for said new HC)
3) Fire a decent portion of our on field staff and pay to get better ones.

If you really want us to get better, we have to spend a shit ton of money to fire Moorhead. I'm not saying it shouldn't happen. It should. But it won't.

He will go to another job first. If we could afford all of that, Moorhead wouldn't be the HC. We would have offered $6 million to someone else that would have come here.

Only Joe and maybe Shoop have a contract for next year. So the only cost is buying out those two.

Any salary Joe or Shoop would get would lower our payment to them. Unless Joe just decides to 17 his career and retire then we pay less than $3 Mil per year for the next 3 years. Most of the time the amount and/or frequency is negotiated down from the full amount.

We could pay $3 Mil for a new coach and not be out more than if we had kept Mullen.

[ShotgunDawg]

So we can't kick the ball in the endzone anymore?

[ShotgunDawg]

Joe blaming injuries at half time

[CoachT14]

You do know there's another option right? He doesn't have to get fired to leave. He could say, take the Rutgers head job.

You think those rumors are fake?

Of course, but that wasn't what the conversation was about. You kept claiming we couldn't afford it. I was responded to that assertion that we are too poor to fire him.

[ShotgunDawg]

How are the slants this wide open?

Where is the adjustment?

[KOdawg1]

Joe blaming injuries at half time

All he's done is make excuses since he's gotten here.

[TrapGame]

Dear God. We are terrible.

[Bdawg]

Man we tackle sooooo well!!!

[HancockCountyDog]

That was rough to watch.

[ShotgunDawg]

WOW

Just completely inept

[bluelightstar]

It’s time, John.

[mparkerfd20]

Yall complain about JoMo but what Shoop has done with this D is a travesty.

[Homedawg]

The great thing is we are playing so hard for him******** never quit. Terrible effort

[Coursesuper]

If is see us try to tackle the 17i g football again I'm going to have a heart attack.

[Activated Alpha]

I just laughed. So many of our guys just don't want to tackle

[msstate7]

Joe blaming injuries at half time

He's an excuse maker... just like almost all our fanbase was while this program was headed to the dumpster. Most of the defenders have woke up now, but the damage is done

[KOdawg1]

That was rough to watch.

They've quit

[Apoplectic]

thompson supposed to be a D leader and he go 1/2 on that TE

[CoachT14]

Dear God. We are terrible.

We playing with Precision guys.