LSU Game thread

[MarketingBully]

Q wide open 3 and Peters tried to lay it in.

[ScoobaDawg]

Ot was the best thing that could happen there... Whew
Regroup guys. Get the 5th on waters

[HoopsDawg]

i agree with AK, Peters should have gone to the front of the rim or to the left.

[Dawgology]

Adu chunking down court for a back court didn’t help either. He’s a total bonehead.

[MarketingBully]

Wish Peters would have pulled up and shot. He nevers makes anything on a drive in like that.

Q was wide ****ing open.

[Saltydog]

Nt

[msugolf]

Good lord howland is a damn idiot

[Scared_Hitless]

Damn Q was open

[ScoobaDawg]

Lamar was trying to force the foul call... But refs ain't gonna call that

[Cloak]

Nt

Yup. Keep going at him

[Dawg2003]

5 more minutes of fun.

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

Waters ends the game if he?s on that break Peters just had

Q does too I think. Wish Peters would have gotten it to him right when he got the ball off the air ball

[msstate7]

Nice

[MarketingBully]

Ref bailing out Reed.

[Dawgology]

We HAVE to go at Waters. We have to

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

The anxiety when Ado has the ball down low

[HoopsDawg]

Peters with a goose egg. he's too talented to have 0 points in 33 minutes.

[Scared_Hitless]

Get the screen to switch on Waters and attack

[msstate7]

Q is tired. Can we sub him on defense here?

[RocketDawg]

Win or lose, this is probably the best game from a spectator standpoint we've been in this year.

[MarketingBully]

I really don’t understand not playing Woodard. He gives you rebounds and is a big body that is a mismatch on the offensive side of the ball. I just don’t get it.

[HoopsDawg]

Q is tired. Can we sub him on defense here?

he's played 42 minutes.

[HoopsDawg]

I really don’t understand not playing Woodard. He gives you rebounds and is a big body that is a mismatch on the offensive side of the ball. I just don’t get it.

that's b/c there is no explanation.

[Cloak]

Win or lose, this is probably the best game from a spectator standpoint we've been in this year.

Lol, hate it and love it at the same time

[msstate7]

Q is gassed

[MarketingBully]

Definitely was our ball there. Hit off LSU.

[Cooterpoot]

Q been bad in OT

[RocketDawg]

Looked like off Q to me. He might have been fouled though.

[Saltydog]

Mt

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

If this is a turnover, I'm pretty sure we've wasted every possession we've had since about the 3:00 mark in the second half after we've made a stop on defense.

[maroonmania]

We've played terribly in the OT or we would have a 4 or 5 point lead now.

[Liverpooldawg]

Really bad defense there. Perry can't do that.

[MarketingBully]

That wasn’t a foul.

[msstate7]

Wade just clowned on Howland

[Mjoelner34]

Worse play was Q driving behind the backboard and picking up his dribble.

[mparkerfd20]

Q has 0 ball control skills

[HoopsDawg]

here comes Perry with the ball in his palm

[RocketDawg]

Perry needs to make these FTs.

[starkvegasdawg]

Quick question. Who's going to bend their knees?

[Liverpooldawg]

Free throws

[MarketingBully]

This wasn’t our best 5 out there the second half. Shame on Howland.

[maroonmania]

Free throws are the death of this team.

[MarketingBully]

Ball game.

[HoopsDawg]

Sickening.

[RocketDawg]

Can't believe that ball went in for Reed.

[msstate7]

Perry good, but Reid is better... maybe a lot better

[maroonmania]

ball game. Free throws the difference.

[Liverpooldawg]

Well crap.

[MarketingBully]

Howland is an asshole. He killed us.

[Quaoarsking]

You've gotta be f***ing kidding me.

[Political Hack]

Played really well against a really good team. Tough loss.

[mparkerfd20]

@&%#

[Cooterpoot]

Howland sucks. Woodard sitting the 2nd half is unacceptable

[WSOPdawg]

17'n mental midgets!!!

[HoopsDawg]

Really bad overtime basketball. Terrible job by Howland not playing Woodard at least 7-10 minutes in the 2nd half.

[MarketingBully]

Perry good, but Reid is better... maybe a lot better

Woodard was better then all of them but got 13 ****ing minutes.

[Liverpooldawg]

They had the two best players in the floor. Reid and Waters killed us.

[msugolf]

ball game. Free throws the difference.

Bullshit free throws weren?t the difference. We gave up 49 17ing points in the 2nd half and Woodard played 2 minutes. Howland was the difference

[Cloak]

Bad loss. Oh well

[WSOPdawg]

Howland sucks. Woodard sitting the 2nd half is unacceptable

and tyson with very little PT in 2nd half as well.

[Liverpooldawg]

Woodard was better then all of them but got 13 ****ing minutes.

No he wasn't.

[msstate7]

Sickening.

Perfect ending to the day. Maybe baseball can come out and announce jake and small are gonna just skip the season to prepare for the draft

[MarketingBully]

You've gotta be f***ing kidding me.

Where was Woodard? We played Ado!!!!! Are you kidding me!!!!

[HoopsDawg]

Now we get UK Saturday and are staring 5-7 in the face. No excuse with the talent we have.

[KOdawg1]

Bad loss. Oh well

No it's not.

[RocketDawg]

Well, it wasn't for lack of effort. They did all they could.

[mparkerfd20]

One of the worst days in a long line of worst days in MSU history

[Quaoarsking]

All but 1 of our losses have been in the closing seconds. It's crazy.

[Dawgology]

Nice end to a very Mississippi State day. I’m taking a little time away from all things MSU guys. Just need a break from all this. See y’all in a few weeks maybe.

[State82]

On to baseball. The only important thing anyway.

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

We squandered every opportunity to stretch the lead or take the lead in the last few minutes of the 2nd half and during overtime.

[DeputyDawg94]

Somebody give 1 good reason Woodard sits on the bench in critical games. Is he on a partial scholarship?*** Absolutely mind boggling!!!!!

[msstate7]

Now Kentucky will steam roll us. Kentucky is much, much better than LSU. Bama May hand us our 3rd straight home loss

[HoopsDawg]

No he wasn't.

Under no circumstances should Holman get 27 minutes and Woodard only 13. NONE. Woodard is a two way player. Q played 44 minutes and it cost us in overtime.

[MarketingBully]

No he wasn't.

8 points in 13 minutes got blocks, rebounds, steals, was bothering the shit out of Reed. Then they outscore us 8 in the second half. I’m done with Howland.

[msugolf]

On to baseball. The only important thing anyway.

College baseball ....meh

[msstate7]

No it's not.

Yes, it is. You can?t lose home games. We?ll get our 3rd home loss Saturday in conf

[Saltydog]

Play!

[Irondawg]

Forgot about Woodard again I?m the second half

Let waters and Reid dominate for a 10 minute stretch with zero defensive adjustment

Didn?t go at waters and Reid on offense to try and foul them out.

I’ve gotten used to the players not playing smart but we can’t compound it with not coaching smart

[Dawgcap]

Somebody give 1 good reason Woodard sits on the bench in critical games. Is he on a partial scholarship?*** Absolutely mind boggling!!!!!

Yep. That?s why we lost.

[Commercecomet24]

Under no circumstances should Holman get 27 minutes and Woodard only 13. NONE. Woodard is a two way player. Q played 44 minutes and it cost us in overtime.

Yep Woodard needs holmans minutes no question

[ScoobaDawg]

17'n mental midgets!!!

F*ck off and go bash your head on a bed of nails to find out how hard your skull is.

[DeputyDawg94]

This isn’t on the players that played. It’s on the coach for the players that didn’t play in the second half.

[maroonmania]

Bullshit free throws weren?t the difference. We gave up 49 17ing points in the 2nd half and Woodard played 2 minutes. Howland was the difference

Well they were sure the freakin' difference in the last minute of the game in regulation which is where we could have easily won the game. Perry missed one and Q missed one and either would have won the game. We are continually shooting about 65% every game which is terrible. Our defense has sucked all year, not sure how to fix that.

[Goldendawg]

Why do we always make one player look like Labron? Reed, 25 second half points. Someone always has a career game against us.

[RougeDawg]

Forgot about Woodard again I?m the second half

Let waters and Reid dominate for a 10 minute stretch with zero defensive adjustment

Didn?t go at waters and Reid on offense to try and foul them out.

We could have 0 or 1 loss if Howland manages the playing time even marginally better. We probably only lose to UK.

[ScoobaDawg]

One of the worst days in a long line of worst days in MSU history

I suggest you go drink some more if you think it's that bad...

[HoopsDawg]

Woodard was +23 in 13 minutes, Ado was -13 and he played 16 minutes. No fckn reason. I don't want to hear that shit in the postgame presser either about how he should have played him more.

[RougeDawg]

Why do we always make one player look like Labron? Reed, 25 second half points. Someone always has a career game against us.

Because we don?t yank players when they allow easy baskets.

[msugolf]

I?m so ready for that guy to get the hell out of here. His teams are so hard to watch because of all the infuriating dumb s**t he does.

[msstate7]

Why do we always make one player look like Labron? Reed, 25 second half points. Someone always has a career game against us.

He went for 19 and 10 last game. He?s damn good.

[Irondawg]

Yep Bama and one other game this year that I’m spacing on was the same way.

[Cloak]

Think Woodard and Carter were a combined 7-9 in the first half. Did they get enough playing time in the second half to even attempt a shot?

[HoopsDawg]

And Peters with zero points in 33 minutes. And Perry missed 7 free throws b/c apparently no one has told him to get the basketball out of his palm.

[msudawglb]

Forgot about Woodard again I?m the second half

Let waters and Reid dominate for a 10 minute stretch with zero defensive adjustment

Didn?t go at waters and Reid on offense to try and foul them out.

I?ve gotten used to the players not playing smart but we can?t compound it with not coaching smart

And why in overtime do you suddenly have Q bringing the ball up? Why is Holman in at the end of regulation?

Just some stupid Howland coaching. It?s like he folds under pressure.

[DeputyDawg94]

Woodard was +23 in 13 minutes, Ado was -13 and he played 16 minutes. No fckn reason. I don't want to hear that shit in the postgame presser either about how he should have played him more.
Yep

[ShotgunDawg]

I actually think the loss is 100% on free throw shooting. We shot 66% and the shot 76%

LSU is shooting 80% from the foul line in SEC play. We'd have their record if we did the same.

[Ari Gold]

Forgot about Woodard again I?m the second half

Let waters and Reid dominate for a 10 minute stretch with zero defensive adjustment

Didn?t go at waters and Reid on offense to try and foul them out.

I’ve gotten used to the players not playing smart but we can’t compound it with not coaching smart

This shows your ignorance

[HoopsDawg]

Think Woodard and Carter were a combined 7-9 in the first half. Did they get enough playing time in the second half to even attempt a shot?

Carter with 12 in the first half, I don't think he attempted a shot in the 2nd half.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

2 problems with Howland: 1) We dont' develop players, how they are when they get here is how they are when they leave. 2) He has to be the worst in game manager I've ever seen. Leaved Holman out there when Holman literally won't even try, plays Ado when Ado is giving nothing, leaves Woodard on the bench indefinitely as Q is obviously gassed, and rarely finds ways to adjust the gameplan.

Ultimately talent can only take you so far. They have to be coached up and they need to be put in positions to win. Howland does neither

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Free Throws ain’t cool....

[MarketingBully]

Carter with 12 in the first half, I don't think he attempted a shot in the 2nd half.

Because Howland in his infinite wisdom basically had Peters out there with a sprained wrist with way too many minutes, had Ado in there way way way too many minutes, didn’t play Woodard at all in the second half, didn’t have Carter in there near as much. He’s a washed up has been coach who doesn’t put our team in the best chance to win.

[Bdawg]

I am speechless on Woodard not playing the 2nd half. If Howland can't see what Woodard does for us on BOTH ends, he can hit the road for all I care. I don't know what else to say. Like I said... speechless.

[mparkerfd20]

I can't wait for our DA coach to retire or leave.

[chef dixon]

Shit just sucks man. We've been wanting our basketball team to be good now for so long. I don't really have any other comment besides that.

[msstate7]

Another game where zone would?ve been beneficial.

I feel like Moorhead kept us from our potential in football this year and Howland is doing the encore for him

[Cloak]

I get the Howland hate.

You'd think he knows what he's doing. Not many coaches have a resume like he does. I want to keep the faith that Howland has us headed in the right direction, but there are just so many questionable decisions

[HoopsDawg]

Another game where zone would?ve been beneficial.

I feel like Moorhead kept us from our potential in football this year and Howland is doing the encore for him

It's mindblowing that he won't even consider a zone or any defense for that matter other than man to man. You can't be considered a great coach if you aren't willing to make adjustments.

[HoopsDawg]

I get the Howland hate.

You'd think he knows what he's doing. Not many coaches have a resume like he does. I want to keep the faith that Howland has us headed in the right direction, but there are just so many questionable decisions

He has recruited this team for the most part other than Q. So I give him credit for his ability to attract talent.

[Irondawg]

This shows your ignorance

Educate me on where my ignorance is displayed

[CadaverDawg]

I am speechless on Woodard not playing the 2nd half. If Howland can't see what Woodard does for us on BOTH ends, he can hit the road for all I care. I don't know what else to say. Like I said... speechless.

Couldn't agree more

[parabrave]

2 problems with Howland: 1) We dont' develop players, how they are when they get here is how they are when they leave. 2) He has to be the worst in game manager I've ever seen. Leaved Holman out there when Holman literally won't even try, plays Ado when Ado is giving nothing, leaves Woodard on the bench indefinitely as Q is obviously gassed, and rarely finds ways to adjust the gameplan.

Ultimately talent can only take you so far. They have to be coached up and they need to be put in positions to win. Howland does neither

Well Coach just came up with the SOS, I mismanged the bench and Qs minutes.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Everytime they get fire me up they break my heart again. Its so predictable is funny at this point. LSU is a good team for what thats worth but we let another one get away

[dawgday166]

Educate me

Yes ... I'm curious too. Didn't see anything way off on what you posted myself.

[msugolf]

I am speechless on Woodard not playing the 2nd half. If Howland can't see what Woodard does for us on BOTH ends, he can hit the road for all I care. I don't know what else to say. Like I said... speechless.

Well he can?t see it and he isn?t leaving unfortunately so there will be a whole lot more of these games. But I totally agree with you

[msstate7]

Yes ... I'm curious too. Didn't see anything way off on what you posted myself.

Questioned a coach. Our coaches are above reproach

[MarketingBully]

I get the Howland hate.

You'd think he knows what he's doing. Not many coaches have a resume like he does. I want to keep the faith that Howland has us headed in the right direction, but there are just so many questionable decisions

We aren’t getting him at his best. This is the second home loss he inexplicably didn’t play Woodard in the second half. Woodard scored more in the first half then he did in the whole game against Ole Miss. He did a great job of in the first half of poking the ball away from Reed and making him uncomfortable. It doesn’t matter now though because Kentucky is going to blow the doors off of us.

[Dawgcap]

I agree about Woodard but I’m curious who he replaces?

[Dawg2003]

I'm not even mad anymore. I'm just tired.

[Dawgcap]

Did our 3,4 or 5 lose this game?

[chef dixon]

I'm not even mad anymore. I'm just tired.

I feel every word of this

[Goldendawg]

So we made a deep run into the NIT final four. What 68 or so "better" teams made the dance. So by this flawed logic, we had the #72 team coming back. This "team" was highly overrated. BTW, Howland has "Dan Mullen syndrome" on who plays as in Senior Holman over a freshman Woodard. Even if we make the dance, they won't go very far.

[MarketingBully]

And I’ll say we are 0-3 when Peters ball hogs and tries for a layup at the buzzer. Q was wide ass open at the 3 line if Peters just passed it out to him. Q is the one who is good at game winning shots. Peters sucks ball sacks doing it.

[HoopsDawg]

Did our 3,4 or 5 lose this game?

Our 3 didn't need to play 44 minutes. Woodard can play the 3 and the 4. Yes, our 4 and 5 hurt us at times. Holman should be playing 10 minutes a game like at Ole Miss- not 30.

[BuckyIsAB****]

So we made a deep run into the NIT final four. What 68 or so "better" teams made the dance. So by this flawed logic, we had the #72 team coming back. This "team" was highly overrated. BTW, Howland has "Dan Mullen syndrome" on who plays as in Senior Holman over a freshman Woodard. Even if we make the dance, they won't go very far.

If we make the dance I will be happy as hell. Just make the tourney to make it more fun again

[CadaverDawg]

And I’ll say we are 0-3 when Peters ball hogs and tries for a layup at the buzzer. Q was wide ass open at the 3 line if Peters just passed it out to him. Q is the one who is good at game winning shots. Peters sucks ball sacks doing it.

Lamar Ervin drives me insane with his hot sauce dribbling that ends in a turnover or a bricked 3. Yes he gets hot at times, but he seems to be anti-clutch when we need it most. You gotta know when you aren't on, and dish it

[Goldendawg]

And I’ll say we are 0-3 when Peters ball hogs and tries for a layup at the buzzer. Q was wide ass open at the 3 line if Peters just passed it out to him. Q is the one who is good at game winning shots. Peters sucks ball sacks doing it.

Too many on this team think that they are the alpha male. Team has no identity and no role players.

[MarketingBully]

I agree about Woodard but I’m curious who he replaces?

For starters, Ado. Ado played a ton of minutes in the second half. The run happened with the Spoon brothers, Carter, Woodard, and Perry and then you subbed Holman out for Perry as well. It’s not rocket science on who our best five are. Ado and Holman (who got the majority of the minutes in the second half) are not our best five.

[Dawgcap]

Seriously Holman wasn’t the problem tonight. Bitch about past games but don’t go there.

[HoopsDawg]

Woodard was +23 in 13 minutes, Ado was -13 and he played 16 minutes. No fckn reason. I don't want to hear that shit in the postgame presser either about how he should have played him more.

And he's giving the same ole shit answer that he made a mistake by not playing them more. What's his problem?

[Ari Gold]

I agree about Woodard but I’m curious who he replaces?

Hey ... here is someone that might a little bit about hoops...

I agree would love to have gotten Woodard more minutes
But who you taking out ? Q ?
You can’t have RW guarding a 6’10 or 6’11 . So he isn’t pkaying the 4 or 5
Robert got his minutes the first half when LSU bigs were In deep foul trouble
You can’t take Nick out because NO ONE could have guarded Waters tonight. Nick did as good of a job as anyone on the team could have

The one that could have and prob should have been on the bench . That’s Peters . You can’t throw up a zero if you are that guy . Almost had more TO than assists and was an average defender tonight
You give me minutes for RW and less for Lamar and I’m fine with that.

And little reality check on here for most of all as talented as LP is at times, he is prob the 5th best PG in this league .

[MarketingBully]

Lamar Ervin drives me insane with his hot sauce dribbling that ends in a turnover or a bricked 3. Yes he gets hot at times, but he seems to be anti-clutch when we need it most. You gotta know when you aren't on, and dish it

Howland shouldn’t of had him out there. Have Nick run the point with Carter, Q, Woodard, and Perry. That was who got us our 17-0 run in the first half and was the big reason we won on Saturday.

[dawgday166]

Questioned a coach. Our coaches are above reproach

Well ... I'm not jumping on here raising hell about Howland but ... I'm pretty damn pissed at him myself. His coaching in the 2nd half sucked without question IMO. He needs to and can do better than that.

The ignorance part might be something going on with either Woodard or Carter that we may not be aware of. But it that isn't the case ... no excuse for Howland IMO in this game.

[CadaverDawg]

Hey ... here is someone that might a little bit about hoops...

I agree would love to have gotten Woodard more minutes
But who you taking out ? Q ?
You can’t have RW guarding a 6’10 or 6’11 . So he isn’t pkaying the 4 or 5
Robert got his minutes the first half when LSU bigs were In deep foul trouble
You can’t take Nick out because NO ONE could have guarded Waters tonight. Nick did as good of a job as anyone on the team could have

The one that could have and prob should have been on the bench . That’s Peters . You can’t throw up a zero if you are that guy . Almost had more TO than assists and was an average defender tonight
You give me minutes for RW and less for Lamar and I’m fine with that.

And little reality check on here for most of all as talented as LP is at times, he is prob the 5th best PG in this league .

Lamar Ervin. That's who. NBA my ass. I want him to be good, he just isn't.

[Ari Gold]

For starters, Ado. Ado played a ton of minutes in the second half. The run happened with the Spoon brothers, Carter, Woodard, and Perry and then you subbed Holman out for Perry as well. It’s not rocket science on who our best five are. Ado and Holman (who got the majority of the minutes in the second half) are not our best five.

Look and see who was on the floor at that time for LSU ...
again I would love to have gotten RW more minutes tonight but who is coming out ???

[Dawg61]

not playing Woodard in the 2nd half and OT is brutal lack of awareness.

https://media.giphy.com/media/Ed2NXBuw8uhlm/giphy.gif

[mparkerfd20]

Howland takes blame for not playing Woodard more....What a washed up has been. I'm so so so done with him.

[CadaverDawg]

Howland shouldn’t of had him out there. Have Nick run the point with Carter, Q, Woodard, and Perry. That was who got us our 17-0 run in the first half and was the big reason we won on Saturday.

I agree

[Ari Gold]

Howland shouldn’t of had him out there. Have Nick run the point with Carter, Q, Woodard, and Perry. That was who got us our 17-0 run in the first half and was the big reason we won on Saturday.

So you are going to have Robert guarding which 6’10 or 6’11 player for LSU those last 8 minutes and OT ?.

[MarketingBully]

Seriously Holman wasn’t the problem tonight. Bitch about past games but don’t go there.

He was good in spurts but shouldn’t of been in there when the game was on the line. Once again, Peters, Holman, and Ado had no business being in there with the game on the line.

[MaroonFlounder]

He again admitted it in the postgame. The man is senile. How many mistakes do we allow him?

[MarketingBully]

So you are going to have Robert guarding which 6’10 or 6’11 player for LSU in ?.

He did a great job of shutting Reed down in the first half for starters. Reed turns the ball over a lot because he was putting the ball on the floor.

[MarketingBully]

He again admitted it in the postgame. The man is senile. How many mistakes do we allow him?

Holy shit he needs to be fired.

[HoopsDawg]

Look and see who was on the floor at that time for LSU ...
again I would love to have gotten RW more minutes tonight but who is coming out ???

You honestly feel that much better about Perry or Holman on Naz Reid than Woodard? B/C I sure as hell don't. Woodard has a super long wingspan, strength and hops. He could have given us 8 minutes in the 2nd half.

[Cloak]

Holy shit he needs to be fired.

Anyone have a link to the postgame?

[Dawg61]

Holy shit he needs to be fired.

No he just needs to play Woodard more. Calm your turkey tits.

[timotheus]

Talent won't just coach itself. Nick was the MVP for his D on Waters. Still too many busted defensive assignments and out of rythym 3's.

[Skydawg1]

not playing Woodard in the 2nd half and OT is brutal lack of awareness.

https://media.giphy.com/media/Ed2NXBuw8uhlm/giphy.gifI'm dying inside trying to defend the guy. There was an article about him after his UCLA days in SI, or somebody...and I was like "Loafers, do it". Sure enough he got him. Is it just the BBall IQ of these kids? Had a rough start pressured to sign Malik. Now is having to split all this playing time among Carter/Woodward/Perry, with Holman (our NBA player) and Peters (our other NBA player***). He's got to be going crazy inside dealing with all these personalities. But in the end, he's the head coach. Yes, he admitted tonight he should have played TC more in the 2nd half....but who knows if that would have even worked out. Fact is were were down by one and some LSWho nobody clanged a 3 that bounced 5 feet straight up and fell through while buzzer was going off. Ben has to beat Cal Saturday. HE just has to.

[CadaverDawg]

So you are going to have Robert guarding which 6’10 or 6’11 player for LSU those last 8 minutes and OT ?.

Which 6'11 guy was going to guard Woodard?

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

So you are going to have Robert guarding which 6’10 or 6’11 player for LSU those last 8 minutes and OT ?.

Woodard literally did it in the first half had 2 blocks and did a good job.

I like you Ari but this is a stretch....

We can't play a PF who had 8 points in 13 minutes and 2 blocks because you'd have to take out old 2 points 3 rebounds 4 PF Abdul "Stone Hands" Ado. Come on man

[dawgday166]

So you are going to have Robert guarding which 6’10 or 6’11 player for LSU those last 8 minutes and OT ?.

6'7 vs 6'10 isn't always a mismatch and I'm not sure it is in this case. Woodard plays tenacious D and he has hops. Certainly better than Holman does. It's at least worth trying IMO.

[HoopsDawg]

Which 6'11 guy was going to guard Woodard?

another great point, but no let's allow them to dictate who sees the court. Naz Reed is 6'10 and he's an inside/out player. Woodard is 6'7. He could guard him for 8-10 minutes. He played 2.

[Ari Gold]

Not sure why I even bother looking at this thread....
this game was lost because we didn’t make free throws , had to many turnovers, one if not the best guard in the league had a great game, a PRO scores 30
And our “Pro” had zero.

Theres your ballgame

[MarketingBully]

You honestly feel that much better about Perry or Holman on Naz Reid than Woodard? B/C I sure as hell don't. Woodard has a super long wingspan, strength and hops. He could have given us 8 minutes in the 2nd half.

Yep. 7’1” wingspan and blocked their 6’11” Center.

[Pit Bull]

So you are going to have Robert guarding which 6’10 or 6’11 player for LSU those last 8 minutes and OT ?.

I did see Robert pin a shot by one of those 6'10 or 6'11" players against the backboard. He's only 3-4" shorter, but has an incredible vertical with long arms. He could have done a decent job. I outrebounded bigs 5 and 6" taller than me in high school....but then again, I knew how to block out properly.

[mstatefan91]

I have nothing to say about this game except that it is a really F**king frustrating loss!

[MarketingBully]

I did see Robert pin a shot by one of those 6'10 or 6'11" players against the backboard. He's only 3-4" shorter, but has an incredible vertical with long arms. He could have done a decent job. I outrebounded bigs 5 and 6" taller than me in high school....but then again, I knew how to block out properly.

I think a kid who is 6’7” 240 with a 7’1” wingspan can guard a 6’10 or 6’11” guy because well he did. He’s as solid as a rock and if he plays 20 minutes I’d give us a 75% chance to win.

[HoopsDawg]

Not sure why I even bother looking at this thread....
this game was lost because we didn’t make free throws , had to many turnovers, one if not the best guard in the league had a great game, a PRO scores 30
And our “Pro” had zero.

Theres your ballgame

We had 18 turnovers, LSU had 17. Hard to call that the difference. Oh, their guy scored 30? You mean the one you didn't want Woodard guarding?

[dawgday166]

I did see Robert pin a shot by one of those 6'10 or 6'11" players against the backboard. He's only 3-4" shorter, but has an incredible vertical with long arms. He could have done a decent job. I outrebounded bigs 5 and 6" taller than me in high school....but then again, I knew how to block out properly.

Woodard blocks out too and contests every shot around him most times. Holman too lazy to do either too many times in a game.

I've outrebounded lots of guys 4 to 5 inches taller than myself too. You gotta block out.

[Dawgcap]

So we win playing Woodard? Who are we sitting? This game wasn?t lost down low. You want to complain call it for what it was tonight.

[Ari Gold]

Woodard literally did it in the first half had 2 blocks and did a good job.

I like you Ari but this is a stretch....

We can't play a PF who had 8 points in 13 minutes and 2 blocks because you'd have to take out old 2 points 3 rebounds 4 PF Abdul "Stone Hands" Ado. Come on man

I get it .. I want RW to get more minutes and CBH has to find a way to get him more minutes but it?s not just as easy as it seems..

[mstatefan91]

So we win playing Woodard? Who are we sitting? This game wasn?t lost down low. You want to complain call it for what it was tonight.

He was the 2nd most effective player from 3... Q hit some and Woodard hit the rest if I'm right.. don't remember Tyson hitting one and Peters hit zero.. Holman was too timid to even try..


Woodard is a difference maker.. It is ridiculous that Howland forgets about him in the second half.

[HoopsDawg]

So we win playing Woodard? Who are we sitting? This game wasn?t lost down low. You want to complain call it for what it was tonight.

It wasn't lost down low? We gave up 30 points to fckn Naz Reid.

[Dawgcap]

6'7 vs 6'10 isn't always a mismatch and I'm not sure it is in this case. Woodard plays tenacious D and he has hops. Certainly better than Holman does. It's at least worth trying IMO.

Bullshit. Every time we lose isn’t on Holman.

[HoopsDawg]

I get it .. I want RW to get more minutes and CBH has to find a way to get him more minutes but it?s not just as easy as it seems..

props for changing your tune and admitting CBH fcked up. It's rare for message board posters to admit when they are wrong. As for it not being easy, it literally is easy. You just put him in the game. Villanova has won 2 national titles playing 3 and 4 guard lineups.

[mstatefan91]

Bullshit. Every time we lose isn’t on Holman.

Holman had a good night but some of these losses are certainly on him.. He would agree as a senior

[msstate7]

Some posters here are defending howland for not playing Woodard in the 2nd half and even howland says he was wrong not to.

Personally the decision to not play Woodard was so bad that I think Woodard must have done or said something that got him a seat tonight. I think howland is just saying he messed up to not air out what was said/done. I refuse to believe howland was that dumb

[MarketingBully]

Some posters here are defending howland for not playing Woodard in the 2nd half and even howland says he was wrong not to.

Personally the decision to not play Woodard was so bad that I think Woodard must have done or said something that got him a seat tonight. I think howland is just saying he messed up to not air out what was said/done. I refuse to believe howland was that dumb

Dude, Woodard is a straight A student stand up kid. This was because Howland was dumb.

[dawgday166]

Bullshit. Every time we lose isn’t on Holman.

I like Holman and have defended him. I don't think it's a coincidence that Woodard was in in 1st half a good bit with Perry, and we gave up the lowest point total in a half this year I believe. It's certainly in the top 2 or 3. Defense is about energy. Holman could, but doesn't expend enough on the defensive end.

What beat us just as much as FTs was 2nd half defense and I'm not talking about Waters going off. I'm talking about him dishing to folks down low while Holman and Ado stumble and bumble around. Perry outrebounded both Ado & Holman combined. That really shouldn't happen IMO.

We gave up 49 pts in the 2nd half. 34 in the first.

[mstatefan91]

Some posters here are defending howland for not playing Woodard in the 2nd half and even howland says he was wrong not to.

Personally the decision to not play Woodard was so bad that I think Woodard must have done or said something that got him a seat tonight. I think howland is just saying he messed up to not air out what was said/done. I refuse to believe howland was that dumb
Howland likes senior teams/teammates and Woodard isn't... Granted, that doesn't explain Perry's minutes.. so I don't 17'in know. Howland hasn't been shy about sharing player's mistakes prior

[Dawgcap]

Not sure why I even bother looking at this thread....
this game was lost because we didn’t make free throws , had to many turnovers, one if not the best guard in the league had a great game, a PRO scores 30
And our “Pro” had zero.

Theres your ballgame

Fact

[Dawg61]

Holman must have some hellacious asthma that puts him in a near death like state if he plays hard on defense. It's the only possible excuse for why Howland keeps playing him over Woodard and it's still an unacceptable excuse. There is no excuse. Forgetting about him or saying you preferred the bean pole that doesn't play hard vs LSU's size is just beyond dumb. This is the same man that didn't think anything of Tookie Brown too. Howland flat out doesn't know what he's looking at with some players sometimes. Stansbury had this same disease.

[Dawgcap]

Holman must have some hellacious asthma that puts him in a near death like state if he plays hard on defense. It's the only possible excuse for why Howland keeps playing him over Woodard and it's still an unacceptable excuse. There is no excuse. Forgetting about him or saying you preferred the bean pole that doesn't play hard vs LSU's size is just beyond dumb. This is the same man that didn't think anything of Tookie Brown too. Howland flat out doesn't know what he's looking at with some players sometimes. Stansbury had this same disease.

Ha. We didn’t lose this game because of Holman. Try again. You have your mind made up for a scapegoat but this want on him. It’s sad every loss is blamed on 1 player. I’d be embarrassed to be so short sighted.

[Dawg61]

Ha. We didn’t lose this game because of Holman. Try again. You have your mind made up for a scapegoat but this want on him. It’s sad every loss is blamed on 1 player. I’d be embarrassed to be so short sighted.

We lost because Howland didn't play one of our should be starters the entire 2nd half and OT. I am blaming Howland not Holman bruh. Comprehend better.

[Irondawg]

Look you can blame the game on numerous things like turnovers and missed FT and other things. All those things are true.

My problem is that we're not controlling the things we can control from the bench. And it's not just this game. Woodard not playing was a travesty, but I'm more mad at not making any defensive adjustment to stop Waters or Reid from scoring in the paint. LSU wasn't hiding what they were trying to do and that was get in the paint and they were getting there at will. Every single possession which is why they shot 60% for the half and I bet it was higher between the 12 min and 4 min mark.

[MarketingBully]

Ha. We didn’t lose this game because of Holman. Try again. You have your mind made up for a scapegoat but this want on him. It’s sad every loss is blamed on 1 player. I’d be embarrassed to be so short sighted.

Holman shouldn’t of played 27 minutes. He should have had his minutes under 20. Woodard should have gotten 25 minutes and been put in at the 3 and 4. Carter should have gotten 5-10 more minutes and cut Peters minutes down to 25 or so. When they made that run to cut it back to 5 to start the second half I would have put Woodard and Carter in the game for Peters and Ado. Woodard and Carter gave us a ton of energy in the game and were a huge part of our 17-0 run.

[Dawgcap]

We lost because Howland didn't play one of our should be starters the entire 2nd half and OT. I am blaming Howland not Holman bruh. Comprehend better.
I comprehend bro. So tell me who we sit at any point to make us better. I agree Woodard was good but if you keep him in in place of others it still doesn?t replace where we got beat. This wasn?t on our low post guys.

[Dawgcap]

Holman shouldn’t of played 27 minutes. He should have had his minutes under 20. Woodard should have gotten 25 minutes and been put in at the 3 and 4. Carter should have gotten 5-10 more minutes and cut Peters minutes down to 25 or so. When they made that run to cut it back to 5 to start the second half I would have put Woodard and Carter in the game for Peters and Ado. Woodard and Carter gave us a ton of energy in the game and were a huge part of our 17-0 run.

Well of course because every loss is on Holman. Dude played well tonight. We got beat at the 1-2. They wer better there tonight

[KOdawg1]

Yes, it is. You can?t lose home games. We?ll get our 3rd home loss Saturday in conf

No it's not. LSU is a good team. Is it an untimely loss? Yes. But it's not a bad loss.

[dawgday166]

Well of course because every loss is on Holman. Dude played well tonight. We got beat at the 1-2. They wer better there tonight

Holman played better but he doesn't hustle on D consistently and he'll give up points in the paint if he's standing right next to the guy .. meaning he won't jump to contest the shot probably due to not wanting to foul or some reason.

I'm just saying we played really good D in the 1st half with Woodard & Perry getting a lot of minutes. Gave up 34 pts when their bigs were on the floor too. 34 pts for a half is about the fewest we've given up in a half this year. We gave up 49 in the second half not including overtime.

One of the reasons I haven't been that high on this team is when you're giving of 45 or so a half and 80 to 90 a game, you're not a good defensive team. My preference is to see between 65 to 70 max per game.

Holman has huge potential IMO, but he ain't utilizing it worth anything this year. One other thing with Holman is he gets shoved around too much in the paint some too. I'd rather have a 6'7" guy with some muscle and physicality down low than a 6'10" guy that gets shoved all over the place.

LSU is a very good and athletic team ... but we had our chances to win last night.

[Dawg2003]

No it's not. LSU is a good team. Is it an untimely loss? Yes. But it's not a bad loss.

We're at the point where every loss is a bad loss because it's coming down to numbers. We need to be 9-9 in conference play, so we have 4 more games we can loose.

[Liverpooldawg]

Holman didn't cost us that one. He played well last night. We got beat by missing free throws and at the point. We also took some very ill advised shots down the stretch in overtime. Again, that was out front, and not just at the point.

[Cooterpoot]

How many times is Howland going to waddle to the podium and start off by saying he screwed up not playing someone? It's a continuous issue. Howland just isn't a good coach. He can recruit but he's given up on coaching. And Peters is worthless 60% of the time but he never finds the pine. Peters is a bigger problem than asset.

[Bdawg]

Look and see who was on the floor at that time for LSU ...
again I would love to have gotten RW more minutes tonight but who is coming out ???

I'll take my chances with RW defense over Holman. Kids works his ass off on the floor on BOTH ends. I would have to go back and look to see who was on the floor but I know our "bigs"(and I say that lightly) gave up to many offensive rebounds. Don't know if Woodard changes that a lot or not but like I said, I'll take my chances, cause their big man lit us up the second half anyway(when Woodard wasn't on the floor).

[StarkVegasSteve]

Howland screwed up on this one for sure. Not playing Woodard or Carter in the second half was a crime, but not playing Woodard is absolutely ludicrous. However, missing 9 FTs and giving up 13 offensive rebounds is generally not conducive to success in the game of basketball. Not trying to give Howland an out cause he doesn't deserve one, but if we make our FTs we win that one last night.

[MarketingBully]

Holman didn't cost us that one. He played well last night. We got beat by missing free throws and at the point. We also took some very ill advised shots down the stretch in overtime. Again, that was out front, and not just at the point.

So in the final 10 minutes in the game when Holman just let LSU get offensive rebound put back after offensive rebound put back it wasn’t on Holman? Look, he played well last night and for 15 of his 25 minutes he actually played with effort on both sides. But the law of diminishing returns reared its ugly head and the last 10 minutes he played were garbage. He played better but Howland has to get him out when he doesn’t play with effort. Woodard would have done a better job against Reed and would have gotten a few of those rebounds as well that they just put back and in. I think it’s a combination of playing Peters, Holman, and Ado too many minutes and playing those guys down the stretch and they aren’t even the best five we have on the team.

[tcdog70]

we lost because we failed to make free throws. We lost because LSU threw up 3 -3 pointers as the clock ran down and they went in. We lost because-Woodard sat on the bench in the second half. We lost because Q played over 40 minutes and got gassed at the end. We lost because LP dribbled down the court at the end and missed a layup-when he could have flipped to Q for a wide open shot. We lost because failed to stop them from doing the same thing over and over--maybe a zone might slow them down? We have too much talent to lose at Home, but we do.

[Political Hack]

Free throws and terrible possessions down the stretch, complicated by a lack of rebounding on defense. They had a million put backs.

Lamar has to manage the game better from the PG spot down the stretch.

[Covercorner2]

The ?problem? with our team IMO is that we have to have Q, Nick and Peters on the floor at the same time virtually all the time, especially in crunch time. Q is our most clutch player and best scorer. Nick is our best defender. And Peters is, well, our best playmaker and distributor aka PG.

I?ve been saying it for years, but Q?s natural position is the 2. Hell is a finalist for college shooting guard of the year. But, if you play him there and Woodard at the 3, then either Nick or Lamar have to sit. You would virtually have to sit Nick so that you had a PG on the floor. Well, guess what? Then you don?t have your best defender in the game to guard a guy like Waters. I guess we could?ve rolled the dice with Peters on Waters, but I?m not sure the outcome would?ve been any different.

We are a good, deep, and pretty balanced team. Sometimes matchups just get the best of us. But, we still almost won the game. It happens.