2018 Recruiting Thread

[Homedawg]

If it's Dolla Bill and Tyrone Sampson, I can live with that.

Don't hold your breath, I'd put the odds of Sampson being in this class as very remote. Ill leave it at that.

[bulldawg28]

Don't hold your breath, I'd put the odds of Sampson being in this class as very remote. Ill leave it at that.

Well thank God for jucos next year! Next!

[Todd4State]

No surprise here, but McDowell officially flips to Florida

Hope the door hit him on the way out.

[Cooterpoot]

I’ll take Lovett, Smith, Sampson, Watson, Robinson/Jones, Furdge for the win. Plus placing Patterson.

[Homedawg]

Hope the door hit him on the way out.

I really have no issue w him doing it. We didn't give him the opportunity to sign in dec. we were still unsure if we wanted him. Let the kid have his day.

[Ari Gold]

I really have no issue w him doing it. We didn't give him the opportunity to sign in dec. we were still unsure if we wanted him. Let the kid have his day.

I have no issue if he wants to go play for Hev then best of luck to him. He will need it
But us not giving him the opertunity to sign in Dec is differen from what I was told.
He told us and we knew he wasn’t going to sign early so we didn’t send him papers.

[RezDog7]

Are there any updates on Brule and Sampson’s in home visits tonight?

[Todd4State]

I really have no issue w him doing it. We didn't give him the opportunity to sign in dec. we were still unsure if we wanted him. Let the kid have his day.

Personally, I'm glad he's gone myself. He can have his day with his family and whoever else. But I'm not patting him on the back. I won't dog him anywhere else either other than this message board. When we kick their ass in September I doubt he will be wishing us well too.

[Cooterpoot]

Both McDowell and Brule have been trying not to come to State for a long time. Neither wanted to be here.

[Bully13]

At this point looks like a 2 ol class. At best. And if it's more it will be w guys nobody in the board has heard of.

That' sucks.

[MetEdDawg]

That' sucks.

It might suck, but based on what I’ve seen from Moorhead thus far, I don’t see that ever happening again. Moorhead is good and I think he’s going to do some really good things for our recruiting.

[msstate7]

It might suck, but based on what I’ve seen from Moorhead thus far, I don’t see that ever happening again. Moorhead is good and I think he’s going to do some really good things for our recruiting.

Based on what? I am very much a supporter of Moorhead. I think he will do great this year... I expect us to be really good on both sides of the ball. My only concern is our outlook after this season. We are losing a ton. We are getting thin on both lines, and we are not getting the numbers there we really need this cycle. The sec West is getting tougher. aTm really upgraded their HC and I think ark has too. OM will go balls to the wall again soon in recruiting. Auburn, bama, and LSU will always outrecruit us. Players will be as hard as ever to sign next season for us. I am not saying Moorhead will struggle to recruit here long term, but he has not shown enough to say he will flourish at all.

Everyone will say I am anti-Moorhead, but it is not true.

[Johnson85]

If it's Dolla Bill and Tyrone Sampson, I can live with that.

If that's the case, We pretty much cannot afford for Suggs, dolls bill, or Sampson to be busts or get hurt. Unbelievable that we have followed up last year with this year. We better be finding some OL next year that like the idea of virtually guaranteed playing time.

[Bully13]

Don't wanna see any last minute Joey trapps either.

[bulldawg28]

Don't wanna see any last minute Joey trapps either.

You don't make that decision

[msstate7]

Robinson is scheduled to visit Nebraska today. Anyone know how the Nebraska people feel about locking him up on this visit?

[BrunswickDawg]

Based on what? I am very much a supporter of Moorhead. I think he will do great this year... I expect us to be really good on both sides of the ball. My only concern is our outlook after this season. We are losing a ton. We are getting thin on both lines, and we are not getting the numbers there we really need this cycle. The sec West is getting tougher. aTm really upgraded their HC and I think ark has too. OM will go balls to the wall again soon in recruiting. Auburn, bama, and LSU will always outrecruit us. Players will be as hard as ever to sign next season for us. I am not saying Moorhead will struggle to recruit here long term, but he has not shown enough to say he will flourish at all.

Everyone will say I am anti-Moorhead, but it is not true.

Ah.... the melt.....
https://m.popkey.co/a95194/MMJgO.gif

[Todd4State]

Based on what? I am very much a supporter of Moorhead. I think he will do great this year... I expect us to be really good on both sides of the ball. My only concern is our outlook after this season. We are losing a ton. We are getting thin on both lines, and we are not getting the numbers there we really need this cycle. The sec West is getting tougher. aTm really upgraded their HC and I think ark has too. OM will go balls to the wall again soon in recruiting. Auburn, bama, and LSU will always outrecruit us. Players will be as hard as ever to sign next season for us. I am not saying Moorhead will struggle to recruit here long term, but he has not shown enough to say he will flourish at all.

Everyone will say I am anti-Moorhead, but it is not true.

He at least appears to have back up plans. That's progress because Dan rarely did. He would just roll the scholarship to next year and what he essentially did was put us on probation.

And again- Moorhead has kept most if not all the in state recruits.

[msstate7]

Ah.... the melt.....
https://m.popkey.co/a95194/MMJgO.gif

So, you have nothing. Quickest way to show it is immediately say he is melting. Which point do you disagree with?

ETA... I am not saying Moorhead is gonna be bad recruiting. The jury is very much out. If someone has info that shows he will be a killer on the trail, I want to hear it. I wanna believe - x files

[msstate7]

He at least appears to have back up plans. That's progress because Dan rarely did. He would just roll the scholarship to next year and what he essentially did was put us on probation.

And again- Moorhead has kept most if not all the in state recruits.

I like that we got in the game with 2 olinemen late. Homedawg says do not count on Sampson though, and homedawg knows his stuff. Robinson is wanted by Nebraska, so hopefully we get him and he is not a total reach

[Bully13]

You don't make that decision

No shit dick tracy.

[RezDog7]

Sampson is out, we’re moving on.

[Doggie_Style]

Sampson is out, we?re moving on.

Looking more like a OL class of uno.....not good, we'll have to play catch up next year

[msstate7]

Sampson is out, we’re moving on.

Where he going?

[BrunswickDawg]

So, you have nothing. Quickest way to show it is immediately say he is melting. Which point do you disagree with?

ETA... I am not saying Moorhead is gonna be bad recruiting. The jury is very much out. If someone has info that shows he will be a killer on the trail, I want to hear it. I wanna believe - x files

Lighten up Francis. I'll echo what Todd said - It's become apparent quickly that Joe not only has back up plans, he has back up plans for the back up plans. It's unfortunate that none of them have panned out yet, but he is still out there taking swings and trying to fill the class with quality guys. How many times in the past 3 pages on this thread have you said "wow, had no idea we were in on that guy?" or something similar.

Dan and Hev would not be beating the bushes looking for kids to fill their needs now. They would have shrugged their shoulders and said something about relentless effort.

[Cooterpoot]

Robinson is likely headed to Neb. No inside info, just geography. If Jones wants to sign with us still, he's going to get his shot it appears. He's a project but so was our new LT. Johnson is going to have to earn his pay and Moorhead is going to have to sign a gazillion OL next year. Hev really screwed us over in a couple different ways.
I hope he and Gonzo enjoy spooning on road trips this year.

[Doggie_Style]

Anybody know the status of Jake Hardage, OL form Arky? He could be the next one on the list.

[Really Clark?]

Where he going?

Our decision to move on

[msstate7]

Anybody know the status of Jake Hardage, OL form Arky? He could be the next one on the list.

If we sign him, what will the board opinion be? Ark took winkel, who everyone said was bad so no loss. If we turn around and sign an ark olineman with only a se Missouri st offer, will he be the diamond of this class that everyone overlooked?

[msstate7]

Our decision to move on

I assume off field issues. Makes you wonder why we even wasted time bc apparently everyone already knew this or he would be a target for most everyone

[GreenheadDawg]

Sampson is out, we’re moving on.

On to what? Joey Trapp 2.0?

[maroonmania]

On to what? Joey Trapp 2.0?
I don't know, could Noah Ellis move to OL if we can get him in? Pretty sad that M Johnson came in here as an OL coach from another P5 school and he apparently can't pull one OL recruit? He may be a better coach but Looney would have recruited better.

[RezDog7]

On to what? Joey Trapp 2.0?

I guess 2019.

[vv83]

What off field issues are we dropping Sampson for? I know there's a line but damn it must be pretty bad if we're not going after him anymore. We're desperate

[Bully13]

What off field issues are we dropping Sampson for? I know there's a line but damn it must be pretty bad if we're not going after him anymore. We're desperate

Something just didn't seem right with us landing a high rated recruit form Detroit. Kinda like a too good to be true deal unless had some connections down here.

[HancockCountyDog]

What off field issues are we dropping Sampson for? I know there's a line but damn it must be pretty bad if we're not going after him anymore. We're desperate

Look - I heard a week ago that there were problems with Sampson but I didn't post on the board, there is a reason that his only official visit has been with Western Michigan and that every school that goes after him has immediately dropped him.

Personally I think it is a good sign that we don't feel the need to sign a guy that apparently has some 'red flags' just because he is a 4 star/All American player and sign him for the rankings alone. I know of at least 3 bear coaches that would sign him based of his 4 star status alone.

[Cooterpoot]

OM didn't take him either. So it's got to be worse that ramming something up a kids arse.

[vv83]

Look - I heard a week ago that there were problems with Sampson but I didn't post on the board, there is a reason that his only official visit has been with Western Michigan and that every school that goes after him has immediately dropped him.

Personally I think it is a good sign that we don't feel the need to sign a guy that apparently has some 'red flags' just because he is a 4 star/All American player and sign him for the rankings alone. I know of at least 3 bear coaches that would sign him based of his 4 star status alone.

Well yeah that is my question. Can you spill?

[sandwolf]

OM didn't take him either. So it's got to be worse that ramming something up a kids arse.

LOL

[HancockCountyDog]

Well yeah that is my question. Can you spill?

We're not signing him and we are pretty desperate on the OL and the kid has talent, so I think its safe to say he his issues are serious, no reason to just post rumors. We are moving on.

[Bothrops]

God almighty..a one OL sign looks to be a foregone conclusion. We recruit like Northwestern St. in the month of January it seems. If it hadn't been for the early signing period, I'd hate to even imagine what things would have been like by now. I just don't understand it.

[NCDawg]

Maybe we should put ad in The Reflector- "Offensive Linemen needed for football team. Please contact coach Marcus Johnson".

[msstate7]

God almighty..a one OL sign looks to be a foregone conclusion. We recruit like Northwestern St. in the month of January it seems. If it hadn't been for the early signing period, I'd hate to even imagine what things would have been like by now. I just don't understand it.
Chill dude... we killin it

[Johnson85]

If we sign him, what will the board opinion be? Ark took winkel, who everyone said was bad so no loss. If we turn around and sign an ark olineman with only a se Missouri st offer, will he be the diamond of this class that everyone overlooked?

I think at this point we have to roll the dice. We aren't going to use our scholarships otherwise to my knowledge, so might as well take a risk on the best OL we can get to commit. Plenty of overlooked OL so we can't just pass on using scholarships.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Anybody know the status of Jake Hardage, OL form Arky? He could be the next one on the list.

He's not on the board

[Doggie_Style]

He's not on the board

well....the next obvious question is 'who is' and is available talent meaningful?

[HancockCountyDog]

well....the next obvious question is 'who is' and is available talent meaningful?

At this point I’d rather just focus on December juco OL then waste a spot on a guy this far down our list unless something just breaks.

[Bully13]

At this point I’d rather just focus on December juco OL then waste a spot on a guy this far down our list unless something just breaks.

Agree. No Joey trapps.

[Johnson85]

At this point I’d rather just focus on December juco OL then waste a spot on a guy this far down our list unless something just breaks.

I thought we can no longer count December signees back to February, but that they would instead count against the Feb. 2019 25 schollies. Does that not start until next year?

[HancockCountyDog]

I thought we can no longer count December signees back to February, but that they would instead count against the Feb. 2019 25 schollies. Does that not start until next year?

I'm not sure, I just don't want to sign a guy unless we think he can really help us, and usually if you haven't offered a guy before February, you have decided he can't help you.

The focus now needs to be locking up Lovett (I'm being told its done) and beating out Bama/UT for Smith, by the way - I'm hearing we are getting him so there is that. Then turn the page to 2019 and get some OL here in a hurry.

[tcdog70]

don't we have 2 JUCO O-linemen red shirtted?

[msstate7]

don't we have 2 JUCO O-linemen red shirtted?

Yes. Phillips and champion

[Irondawg]

I imagine we will try to get into play for some quality transfers. That?s our best bet right now.

Find someone that our staff pence thought was good that is a bit buried on a depth chart

[Commercecomet24]

We had 2 OL from last year that we signed and placed,in Juco,Josh Cooper(from Daks old HS) and Montravious Richardson. Anyone have a clue if we are still on them or their progress?

[Johnson85]

I'm not sure, I just don't want to sign a guy unless we think he can really help us, and usually if you haven't offered a guy before February, you have decided he can't help you.

The focus now needs to be locking up Lovett (I'm being told its done) and beating out Bama/UT for Smith, by the way - I'm hearing we are getting him so there is that. Then turn the page to 2019 and get some OL here in a hurry.

If we are going to go into fall with 85 scholarship players, that's fine. But if not, we can't just lose scholarships. Even if it's a long shot, we need to use our scholarships. If we got lucky and got a solid contributor that would make balancing our OL roster much easier going forward.

[shrimp]

Doesn't sound like the new staff is too high on either of them. Probably just a watch and follow situation for now.


We had 2 OL from last year that we signed and placed,in Juco,Josh Cooper(from Daks old HS) and Montravious Richardson. Anyone have a clue if we are still on them or their progress?

[Commercecomet24]

Doesn't sound like the new staff is too high on either of them. Probably just a watch and follow situation for now.

I was thinking same thing, just hadn?t heard any word on them. I know they would probably be December entry?s at the earliest.

[Bully13]

If we are going to go into fall with 85 scholarship players, that's fine. But if not, we can't just lose scholarships. Even if it's a long shot, we need to use our scholarships. If we got lucky and got a solid contributor that would make balancing our OL roster much easier going forward.

So it's a use it or lose it? No carry over?

[BuckyIsAB****]

Loving to be wrong means you don't have the facts.

Told you there was something up with Sampson.

But me and shotgun will take that room now, I want it filled with bud light and beautiful women

[Ari Gold]

Well **** ....

[msbulldog]

I was thinking same thing, just hadn?t heard any word on them. I know they would probably be December entry?s at the earliest.

From what I understand, Richardson is solid, Cooper not so much.

[Turfdawg67]

I'm not sure, I just don't want to sign a guy unless we think he can really help us, and usually if you haven't offered a guy before February, you have decided he can't help you.

The focus now needs to be locking up Lovett (I'm being told its done) and beating out Bama/UT for Smith, by the way - I'm hearing we are getting him so there is that. Then turn the page to 2019 and get some OL here in a hurry.

Smith has cut UT, so it?s us... unless Bama misses on a couple.

[Ari Gold]

Smith has cut UT, so it?s us... unless Bama misses on a couple.

Looks like he prob cut us as well. Not matter what happens with Bama other targets.

[Turfdawg67]

Well **** ....

Uh oh... can it get worse???

ETA... Yep, that’s worse.

[Commercecomet24]

From what I understand, Richardson is solid, Cooper not so much.

Thanks, Appreciate that info. Richardson is a monster hope he develops and gets in. We could use him.

[Todd4State]

From what I understand, Richardson is solid, Cooper not so much.

Richardson redshirted at Mississippi Delta CC. That's pretty worriesome.

Honestly, we would probably be better off going after JUCO's or grad transfers than taking them back.

[Turfdawg67]

Spill what you’ve heard before we see MSState7’s cut and paste response on JoMo’s recruiting abilities. Eddie’s Twitter says he’s taking a break from social media...

[Todd4State]

So it's a use it or lose it? No carry over?

Starting next year. No oversigning. And since we can't carry over scholarships if we undersign it basically is in effect this year as well.

So, every spot in the 25 is very important- and it's probably best to use those spots and then process down the road as necessary.

[Turfdawg67]

Thanks, Appreciate that info. Richardson is a mobster hope he develops and gets in. We could use him.

This! Had high hopes for his development and contribution...

[Ifyouonlyknew]

We'll sign a couple guys on signing day but it's not about to be what everyone wants. This staff needs to have a good 2019 class. They'll have a full year to work with so no excuses.

[Ari Gold]

We'll sign a couple guys on signing day but it's not about to be what everyone wants. This staff needs to have a good 2019 class. They'll have a full year to work with so no excuses.

Yeah.. this finish isn’t going to be what we want.
2019 VERY important.

[msbulldog]

Richardson redshirted at Mississippi Delta CC. That's pretty worriesome.

Honestly, we would probably be better off going after JUCO's or grad transfers than taking them back.

I think he transferred.

[msstate7]

Spill what you’ve heard before we see MSState7’s cut and paste response on JoMo’s recruiting abilities. Eddie’s Twitter says he’s taking a break from social media...

I wish this staff would make me eat my words. Unfortunately, this close makes dan Mullen look like urban Meyer

[Commercecomet24]

So who y?all think we finish with?

[dawgday166]

I wish this staff would make me eat my words. Unfortunately, this close makes dan Mullen look like urban Meyer

Depends on year, and if Mullen was putting in a little "relentless" effort. It's also easier for Bama, and maybe some others, to say "you're next in line" on our board, than it is for us. And with the Oline recruits, it seems that's what we've been doing.

ETA: At least they're going all out trying to get 'er done.

[Irondawg]

So basically we are about to lay a big stink bomb. I?ll wait to see who closes with who to fully evaluate but basically this staff wasn?t able to sell new kids when other similar or lower programs with new staffs could and that?s a huge red flag for me.

[Turfdawg67]

Maybe this crap works both ways... JoMo may be our best coach ever, but if he sees how difficult it is to bring recruits to Starksville*, maybe he is questioning his decision too?!?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I wish this staff would make me eat my words. Unfortunately, this close makes dan Mullen look like urban Meyer

How quickly we forget

[Ari Gold]

Maybe this crap works both ways... JoMo may be our best coach ever, but if he sees how difficult it is to bring recruits to Starksville*, maybe he is questioning his decision too?!?

Holy shit he has been here less than 2 months.
Let’s see what 2019 brings.
This staff won’t be worse than the Mullen and Company.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Maybe this crap works both ways... JoMo may be our best coach ever, but if he sees how difficult it is to bring recruits to Starksville*, maybe he is questioning his decision too?!?

That's a Stretch Armstrong type reach right there.

[Commercecomet24]

Holy shit he has been here less than 2 months.
Let?s see what 2019 brings.
This staff won?t be worse than the Mullen and Company.

I have heard that we have a much more aggressive and comprehensive recruiting plan that is going to be implemented than what we are used to seeing. Joe now has the complete staff in place to make it work. Give him time. I think he recruits better than we?ve ever seen. If he doesn?t we?ll know soon enough.

Im agreeing with you to Ari.

[msstate7]

How quickly we forget

I have a short memory, so maybe so haha. I do not remember ark hitting us for 4 recruits/commits though... Alabama, sure, but not ark and the like

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I have a short memory, so maybe so haha. I do not remember ark hitting us for 4 recruits/commits though... Alabama, sure, but not ark and the like

You obviously forgot about the 2016 class.

[msstate7]

You obviously forgot about the 2016 class.

You certainly know infinity more than me when it comes to recruiting, so I will take your word on it... do not remind me. Regardless though, this is shaping up to be a crash ending

ETA... now we did close with Simmons in 2016 who is our best player. There is no way we close with a Jeffrey Simmons this year

[yjnkdawg]

I wish this staff would make me eat my words. Unfortunately, this close makes dan Mullen look like urban Meyer


There is a lot more to recruiting kids than apparently you know about. It seems like you think it is the coach's fault, if we don't get a certain player. You do know it is the kid's decision, don't you? Sometimes they do have undue pressure, or maybe bad guidance, but it is the kid's decision in the end. Even their high school coaches can have an influence whether that is good or bad. So if our coaching staff is out there busting their butts on recruiting, why do you keep on and on with your criticism?

[Turfdawg67]

Holy shit he has been here less than 2 months.
Let’s see what 2019 brings.
This staff won’t be worse than the Mullen and Company.

Dude... I’m the one blasting 7 & Shotgun for their constant melts at every loss or flip, but jeez. EVERYONE speaks to the impression JoMo makes when he meets you and talks to you, but yet he hasn’t brought in one new recruit, even ones that were State leans?!? If it’s not our coach’s recruiting prowess, then it’s something else. I’m sure he’s more frustrated than us. Kudos to the class he kept and hopefully Lovett is back on board!!

[msstate7]

There is a lot more to recruiting kids than apparently you know about. It seems like you think it is the coach's fault, if we don't get a certain player. You do know it is the kid's decision, don't you? Sometimes they do have undue pressure, or maybe bad guidance, but it is the kid's decision in the end. Even their high school coaches can have an influence whether that is good or bad. So if our coaching staff is out there busting their butts on recruiting, why do you keep on and on with your criticism?

I think it is very clear I am not happy with this close, so I will try to let it go... move on to next season. With that said, if a salesman at an auto dealership works his butt off; but in the end is not selling cars, he is not doing his job. Moorhead and staff are very early in their tenure, so I am certainly not ready to say definitively they suck at recruiting. I really hope they do well next cycle.

[msstate7]

Dude... I’m the one blasting 7 & Shotgun for their constant melts at every loss or flip, but jeez. EVERYONE speaks to the impression JoMo makes when he meets you and talks to you, but yet he hasn’t brought in one new recruit, even ones that were State leans?!? If it’s not our coach’s recruiting prowess, then it’s something else. I’m sure he’s more frustrated than us. Kudos to the class he kept and hopefully Lovett is back on board!!

Everyone seems to be middle aged men in the articles I have seen. Perhaps his power of impression is not as strong with young boys

[Statecoachingblows**]

Everyone seems to be middle aged men in the articles I have seen. Perhaps his power of impression is not as strong with young boys

I can’t read this comment without laughing. Sorry

[msstate7]

I can’t read this comment without laughing. Sorry

You dirty minded haha

[Turfdawg67]

Everyone seems to be middle aged men in the articles I have seen. Perhaps his power of impression is not as strong with young boys

That’s not accurate at all... many people including our OC were influenced early in their life.

[Commercecomet24]

Everyone seems to be middle aged men in the articles I have seen. Perhaps his power of impression is not as strong with young boys

Then you need to read some of the things his former players have said about him. He impresses EVERYONE. Young and old. He was at our high school recruiting a couple of weeks ago. My son met him and was blown away and so was the kid he was down here to see. My sons a baseball player and being recruited by some pretty good D1 baseball programs so he?s familiar with how coaches act. Normally they?re not interested in taking time with anyone other than the recruit but Joe did and didn?t get in a hurry. My son also had a run in with Saban last week. I?ll have to tell y?all that story later but Saban was an ass. All I?m saying relax a little give him a chance to make his plan work. If he fails we will have a new coach in a couple years.

[Commercecomet24]

I can’t read this comment without laughing. Sorry

It is Kinda funny lol

[Todd4State]

Even if we don't finish strong- it wouldn't worry me too much. Look at Hugh Freeze and how the Network finished their class after the 2011 season.

I imagine a LOT of the problem is Dan probably didn't have a large net of back up plans which our guys like Peterson and Austin could communicate to the current staff. So, what has probably happened is we're going after guys on the back up lists of whatever schools our coaches were at before.

I'm encouraged if we kept all of our Mississippi recruits- that's a great start. I like the fact that even if we miss we have a plan. I also like how we have offered the top 100 prospects in the class of 2019 across the country.

[Commercecomet24]

Even if we don't finish strong- it wouldn't worry me too much. Look at Hugh Freeze and how the Network finished their class after the 2011 season.

I imagine a LOT of the problem is Dan probably didn't have a large net of back up plans which our guys like Peterson and Austin could communicate to the current staff. So, what has probably happened is we're going after guys on the back up lists of whatever schools our coaches were at before.

I'm encouraged if we kept all of our Mississippi recruits- that's a great start. I like the fact that even if we miss we have a plan. I also like how we have offered the top 100 prospects in the class of 2019 across the country.

Great post and the right perspective!

[Bully13]

Then you need to read some of the things his former players have said about him. He impresses EVERYONE. Young and old. He was at our high school recruiting a couple of weeks ago. My son met him and was blown away and so was the kid he was down here to see. My sons a baseball player and being recruited by some pretty good D1 baseball programs so he?s familiar with how coaches act. Normally they?re not interested in taking time with anyone other than the recruit but Joe did and didn?t get in a hurry. My son also had a run in with Saban last week. I?ll have to tell y?all that story later but Saban was an ass. All I?m saying relax a little give him a chance to make his plan work. If he fails we will have a new coach in a couple years.

Post more. Excellent sir.

[BrunswickDawg]

You certainly know infinity more than me when it comes to recruiting, so I will take your word on it... do not remind me. Regardless though, this is shaping up to be a crash ending

ETA... now we did close with Simmons in 2016 who is our best player. There is no way we close with a Jeffrey Simmons this year
How the hell have you forgotten the melt of Signing Day 2016? By 10:30 am I thought we were going to have reports of Elitedawg poster suicides it was so bad. Yeah, we got Simmons, but lost AJ, Raekwon Davis, Lashley, Knott, and at least 2 other last minute bombs.

[msstate7]

How the hell have you forgotten the melt of Signing Day 2016? By 10:30 am I thought we were going to have reports of Elitedawg poster suicides it was so bad. Yeah, we got Simmons, but lost AJ, Raekwon Davis, Lashley, Knott, and at least 2 other last minute bombs.


1 to OM and 3 to bama. Losing kids to bama sucks, but easier to swallow than losing kids to ark. (Suck and swallow in the same sentence for statecoachingblows haha). Simmons eased some of that pain though. You are right though... that was a tough signing day

[Bdawg]

So with what I gather from the thread, Smith is going to Bama for sure?? If so, somebody put him in touch with Lashley and Knott and see if they regret their decisions. I would have to think that going through all that hard work in a football program only to ride the bench must really suck. And if you have any aspirations to make the NFL, you have to at least get on the field somewhere.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Anybody that thought Moorhead and co was just gonna come in here and mop up was fooling themselves, like I've said recruiting in the south is different than the B10. All of yall know that.

Its gonna take him and the staff some time to learn the game and how to play it, we're gonna lose some along the way but we will get some Ws too. We got what we needed this class its a solid group obviously the biggest misses being only signing 1 OL (at the moment) but we arent done yet. I will say this staff has made their committment to recruiting way more obvious than the last. The effort is there, good results usually follow great effort.

Keep Lovett and everyone will feel better

[maroonmania]

Anybody that thought Moorhead and co was just gonna come in here and mop up was fooling themselves, like I've said recruiting in the south is different than the B10. All of yall know that.

Its gonna take him and the staff some time to learn the game and how to play it, we're gonna lose some along the way but we will get some Ws too. We got what we needed this class its a solid group obviously the biggest misses being only signing 1 OL (at the moment) but we arent done yet. I will say this staff has made their committment to recruiting way more obvious than the last. The effort is there, good results usually follow great effort.

Keep Lovett and everyone will feel better

Mop up? Nobody was expecting that. Get SOMEBODY? Yea most of us were expecting that. Since mid-Dec we've lost verbals from Lovett, Mason and McDowell while receiving verbals from nobody. Also lost a few that seemed to be leaning to us initially. Like 7 said, if a salesman is out selling 20 hours a day but doesn't make any sales he's still not doing his job. I'm not going to form any permanent opinions until the 2019 class but this is an ominous start for this staff. My current big concern and the biggest red flag is that when kids take their official visits with us it doesn't seem to even be giving us a bump with them. Right now if do get Lovett back in the boat and go ahead and sign commitments Watson and Furdge that may be about all we can do. Also possibly get the OL from Starkville.

[Commercecomet24]

Anybody that thought Moorhead and co was just gonna come in here and mop up was fooling themselves, like I've said recruiting in the south is different than the B10. All of yall know that.

Its gonna take him and the staff some time to learn the game and how to play it, we're gonna lose some along the way but we will get some Ws too. We got what we needed this class its a solid group obviously the biggest misses being only signing 1 OL (at the moment) but we arent done yet. I will say this staff has made their committment to recruiting way more obvious than the last. The effort is there, good results usually follow great effort.

Keep Lovett and everyone will feel better

Great post! Look for this staff to get us in with some national recruits in the future. They plan hammering the best in our State but also looking at other places that we haven?t seen in the past. Look for us to get some OLs from the Midwest in the coming classes. It?s a new day for us. Just give it Time.

Again, great post , Bucky!

[bluelightstar]

I am less concerned with the numbers, because to some extent, there's nothing the new staff could do about it. More concerning is that they've lost head to head battles with Alabama, Tennessee, and Arkansas already in the regular signing period. (Particularly, going 0 for 3 so far against Arkansas!) One's an incident, two's a coincidence, but three's a pattern. I am hopeful that will change next year.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Great post! Look for this staff to get us in with some national recruits in the future. They plan hammering the best in our State but also looking at other places that we haven?t seen in the past. Look for us to get some OLs from the Midwest in the coming classes. It?s a new day for us. Just give it Time.

Again, great post , Bucky!

I get the fact we want to expand recruiting wise, and Moorheads connections up north and midwest are def the reason why but we still need to make damn sure MS, LA, AL, and GA are our top priorities.

Its gonna take time and I've heard nothing but good so far but we havent made those connections yet down here, havent formed relationships with coaches and kids and that is what recruiting is.

Austin, Peterson, Gibson, and Hud have to be the guys for us in MS recruiting

[Commercecomet24]

I get the fact we want to expand recruiting wise, and Moorheads connections up north and midwest are def the reason why but we still need to make damn sure MS, LA, AL, and GA are our top priorities.

Its gonna take time and I've heard nothing but good so far but we havent made those connections yet down here, havent formed relationships with coaches and kids and that is what recruiting is.

Austin, Peterson, Gibson, and Hud have to be the guys for us in MS recruiting

You?re spot on. He is gonna attack our region hard and that?s why you have seen him put together such an eclectic staff. We have guys that have had success recruiting nationally and guys that know recruiting in the South. I?ve heard some great things about his recruiting plans and what?s being put into motion. It?s a new era.

[Todd4State]

I get the fact we want to expand recruiting wise, and Moorheads connections up north and midwest are def the reason why but we still need to make damn sure MS, LA, AL, and GA are our top priorities.

Its gonna take time and I've heard nothing but good so far but we havent made those connections yet down here, havent formed relationships with coaches and kids and that is what recruiting is.

Austin, Peterson, Gibson, and Hud have to be the guys for us in MS recruiting

And T-Buck and Marcus Johnson. Maybe even Baker to an extent.

[BuckyIsAB****]

And T-Buck and Marcus Johnson. Maybe even Baker to an extent.

TBuck and Baker do a great job. I dont know anything about Johnson. I know he can coach though bc those kids at Duke play hard and are disciplined

[Ari Gold]

I get the fact we want to expand recruiting wise, and Moorheads connections up north and midwest are def the reason why but we still need to make damn sure MS, LA, AL, and GA are our top priorities.

Its gonna take time and I've heard nothing but good so far but we havent made those connections yet down here, havent formed relationships with coaches and kids and that is what recruiting is.

Austin, Peterson, Gibson, and Hud have to be the guys for us in MS recruiting

Shoop was at Tenn and Vandy
Fountain has been at auburn and Georgia
Huff was at Vandy and before that Tenn state
Only 3 coaches outside of CJM don’t have some ties to the south


I will bet anyone any amount of cash you want CJM will be get better reviews by high school coaches in Mississippi than Dan did.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Shoop was at Tenn and Vandy
Fountain has been at auburn and Georgia
Huff was at Vandy and before that Tenn state
Only 3 coaches outside of CJM don’t have some ties to the south


I will bet anyone any amount of cash you want CJM will be get better reviews by high school coaches in Mississippi than Dan did.

Well I can already attest to that. I have a close friend that works at Lafayette and he said that Moorhead was 10x cooler than Mullen ever was. He hasnt been here yet but Im looking forward to it

[Commercecomet24]

Shoop was at Tenn and Vandy
Fountain has been at auburn and Georgia
Huff was at Vandy and before that Tenn state
Only 3 coaches outside of CJM don’t have some ties to the south


I will bet anyone any amount of cash you want CJM will be get better reviews by high school coaches in Mississippi than Dan did.

Yes he is will and it won?t be close.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Look like Jaylon Reed may be getting back in this class.

[Commercecomet24]

Look like Jaylon Reed may be getting back in this class.

That?s interesting

[BuckyIsAB****]

Look like Jaylon Reed may be getting back in this class.

I think its a good move considering the circumstances. Maybe a way to help with Lovett too

[msstate7]

Look like Jaylon Reed may be getting back in this class.

Good for him. We reaching, but happy for the kid

[HoopsDawg]

Look like Jaylon Reed may be getting back in this class.

Wow.

[Dallas_Dawg]

We should have a separate recruiting thread for whining. Or maybe let this one be the whiners? thread and start a new one that only has informative posts

[msstate7]

Wow.

I think this is the panic button. Things are falling apart, so make dang sure we land Lovett

[BuckyIsAB****]

I think this is the panic button. Things are falling apart, so make dang sure we land Lovett

Reed looked pretty good in the MS/AL and considering Smith and Brule are gone according to this thread I think its a good move

[Commercecomet24]

I think this is the panic button. Things are falling apart, so make dang sure we land Lovett

7 do you ever see the good? Lol

[HoopsDawg]

I think this is the panic button. Things are falling apart, so make dang sure we land Lovett

Terrible luck that the hard 25 goes into place next year. We have basically self imposed sanctions equal to Ole Miss. Really sucks that Bama offered Smith bc our staff did a good job with him...well other than not pulling out all the stops in December.

[MetEdDawg]

I think this is the panic button. Things are falling apart, so make dang sure we land Lovett

Hahaha. You are literally freaking out that Arkansas got an 87 overall CB in Bishop because he?s so good and was committed to us. But we get an 85 overall CB from the state of MS that was previously committed to us and now the entire football program is in panic mode because it?s definitely a downgrade.

This schtick you?ve gone on the past week has to be commemorated somehow. It?s been hilarious to watch the melt. I?m glad it?s not me or I would be pissed off at myself by now. I would be really interested to see how your comments would go over if you had to say them straight to Joe Mo?s face. You know, tell him how awful he?s doing that he?s held together a Top 30 recruiting class.

[msstate7]

7 do you ever see the good? Lol

Yes. When I do, I praise too. Go back a few pages and read about Reed. There was a consensus he was not an sec guy. Now though, he will be a big get. I hope he is. Maybe he turns out to be another tavese Calhoun... think we took him to get quay Evans

[msstate7]

Hahaha. You are literally freaking out that Arkansas got an 87 overall CB in Bishop because he’s so good and was committed to us. But we get an 85 overall CB from the state of MS and we are in panic mode because it’s definitely a downgrade.

This schtick you’ve gone on the past week has to be commemorated somehow. It’s been hilarious to watch the melt. I’m glad it’s not me or I would be pissed off at myself by now.

Fine. You think bishop and reed are equal. I will not argue

[HoopsDawg]

Hahaha. You are literally freaking out that Arkansas got an 87 overall CB in Bishop because he?s so good and was committed to us. But we get an 85 overall CB from the state of MS that was previously committed to us and now the entire football program is in panic mode because it?s definitely a downgrade.

This schtick you?ve gone on the past week has to be commemorated somehow. It?s been hilarious to watch the melt. I?m glad it?s not me or I would be pissed off at myself by now. I would be really interested to see how your comments would go over if you had to say them straight to Joe Mo?s face. You know, tell him how awful he?s doing that he?s held together a Top 30 recruiting class.

You are taking those numbers too literally. 247 doesn't rate anyone with an SEC offer as a 2 star.

[Commercecomet24]

Yes. When I do, I praise too. Go back a few pages and read about Reed. There was a consensus he was not an sec guy. Now though, he will be a big get. I hope he is. Maybe he turns out to be another tavese Calhoun... think we took him to get quay Evans

Hasn?t been much praise coming from ol 7 lately. I understand angst but dang y?all got to give the man a little more time. At least give him one full recruirung cycle before you decree him the worst recruiter in cfb history

[MetEdDawg]

Fine. You think bishop and reed are equal. I will not argue

That’s not the point at all. The point is that you are so convinced they aren’t equal when we have proven time and again that for the majority of these kids in the 84-89 range are that they are so variable that’s it’s dumb to say one is absolutely better than the other.

I just don’t get the melt man. You do your thing. But just know that it looks awful that you think that guys that are 2 points difference in some humanized subjective ranking system is the be all end all for this class.

[HoopsDawg]

Hasn?t been much praise coming from ol 7 lately. I understand angst but dang y?all got to give the man a little more time. At least give him one full recruirung cycle before you decree him the worst recruiter in cfb history

Completely agree, but it has been very rough since the early signing period. Borderline disaster. The new staff really messed up by not staying on Hall and Williams.

[msstate7]

Hasn?t been much praise coming from ol 7 lately. I understand angst but dang y?all got to give the man a little more time. At least give him one full recruirung cycle before you decree him the worst recruiter in cfb history

I am not saying fire him or anything even close to that. To make our recruiting out post early signing day as anything but a huge fail is ridiculous though. I expect much better next cycle... better be anyway

[MetEdDawg]

You are taking those numbers too literally. 247 doesn't rate anyone with an SEC offer as a 2 star.

Maybe so. But for now, I’m not going to melt. It’s easy to revert back to what we always do. It’s comfortable to complain about recruiting. Joe Mo had a lot of work to do in a short period of time. I just don’t get why he’s getting hammered. People think he sucks because he lost a couple middle tier recruits to a team we are better than. A couple of those had prior Arkansas connections.

I’ll say it again. The majority of this board has no clue why teenagers do the things they do in recruiting. Zero clue. They’ve never seen a head coach talk with a potential recruit, they’ve never had a long standing relationship with a D1 recruit (I’m talking about seeing them 3-5 times a week and having a conversation with them). Many people’s opinions on this topic are generated from years and years of trolling message boards and paying for subscriptions. Not actually talking to kids. That’s why I don’t freak out. I see all this stuff on a daily basis. We need people to calm down. It’s just dumb how some of us act on a subject that many know virtually nothing about.

[Commercecomet24]

Completely agree, but it has been very rough since the early signing period. Borderline disaster. The new staff really messed up by not staying on Hall and Williams.

Oh i wished we were gonna close stronger too. Also part of the angst is from danny boy leaving us thin at ol and cb. If he had added some good depth the last couple years the misses wouldn?t hurt so bad. I just honestly believe our recruiting is gonna take an uptick with Joe and if it doesn?t we will have a new coach in 3 years. I guess I?ve just learned over time that things are never as bad or as good as they seem. I try to keep balance even though it?s difficult what being a Dawg fan for life and all
Lol

[Commercecomet24]

I am not saying fire him or anything even close to that. To make our recruiting out post early signing day as anything but a huge fail is ridiculous though. I expect much better next cycle... better be anyway

I agree if 19 class is bad then there?s a problem but I?m confident it will be better than anything dan ever did.

[Commercecomet24]

I am not saying fire him or anything even close to that. To make our recruiting out post early signing day as anything but a huge fail is ridiculous though. I expect much better next cycle... better be anyway

It?s not a fail at all, yet. Geez

[HoopsDawg]

Oh i wished we were gonna close stronger too. Also part of the angst is from danny boy leaving us thin at ol and cb. If he had added some good depth the last couple years the misses wouldn?t hurt so bad. I just honestly believe our recruiting is gonna take an uptick with Joe and if it doesn?t we will have a new coach in 3 years. I guess I?ve just learned over time that things are never as bad or as good as they seem. I try to keep balance even though it?s difficult what being a Dawg fan for life and all
Lol

Long term, I'm not overly concerned...yet. Short Term, it's really bad and it's ok to say so. 2 years in a row of awful corner and Oline recruiting. I was really hoping Eddie Smith and Sampson could save the day.

[Todd4State]

It?s not a fail at all, yet. Geez

Oh yeah- we have another weekend of official visits.

The melting was fun for those that did though.

[Commercecomet24]

Long term, I'm not overly concerned...yet. Short Term, it's really bad and it's ok to say so. 2 years in a row of awful corner and Oline recruiting. I was really hoping Eddie Smith and Sampson could save the day.

Yep the last 2 years in those position groups has hurt us. The new staff has ground to make up in this next class because of it

[msstate7]

Oh yeah- we have another weekend of official visits.

The melting was fun for those that did though.

I will feel a little better if we can get brule and Robinson. Not too confident in either though

[RezDog7]

I will feel a little better if we can get brule and Robinson. Not too confident in either though

No offense dude but you melt with the best of them. Hey, we won the basketball game tonight. Although you’re probably upset that Ado fouled out.

[msstate7]

No offense dude but you melt with the best of them. Hey, we won the basketball game tonight. Although you’re probably upset that Ado fouled out.

You must have missed the game thread where I praised our team. I then started a thread imploring us to be at the game Saturday night.

[yjnkdawg]

We should have a separate recruiting thread for whining. Or maybe let this one be the whiners? thread and start a new one that only has informative posts


I believe this one has become that.

[Bothrops]

I wish we had reeled in Jemaurian Jones when we had the chance. Dan passed on a good CB, and he wanted to be here in the end.

I don't know what to say about our closing in recruiting. It seems that there's a disproportionate amount of propaganda being used against us by other staffs, along with the internet and social media. In other words, I dont believe this is a new staff problem. We are painted as the redheaded stepchild of the SEC West. Good seasons have, little, if any, positive effect.

In the end, I believe Moorhead is going to win regardless of how we recruit.

[yjnkdawg]

I will feel a little better if we can get brule and Robinson. Not too confident in either though


Are you confident in anything that Coach JoeMo and his staff does? I guess you think that our earlly signees, who had no MSU ties just said, the coaching change doesn't effect me. Coach JoeMo had to form a very quick relationship, meet their parents and form a relationship with them, and make them confident that he could help their kid achieve both on and off the field, win the kid over on his program, show them where they fit in and how they would be used, etc. I guess now I'll hear all these statistics or ARK crap, which has nothing to do with MSU recruiting.

[msstate7]

Are you confident in anything that Coach JoeMo and his staff does? I guess you think that our earlly signees, who had no MSU ties just said, the coaching change doesn't effect me. Coach JoeMo had to form a very quick relationship, meet their parents and form a relationship with them, and make them confident that he could help their kid achieve both on and off the field, win the kid over on his program, show them where they fit in and how they would be used, etc. I guess now I'll hear all these statistics or ARK crap, which has nothing to do with MSU recruiting.

Brule leaning ark. Robinson from kansas and Nebraska offering who is much closer to home. That simple imo. You predict we get em?

[yjnkdawg]

Brule leaning ark. Robinson from kansas and Nebraska offering who is much closer to home. That simple imo. You predict we get em?



Brule should be a signing day wait and probably ARK I would imagine. As of now, anyway. Robinson's parents' want him to be close to home, but it depends on how his OV goes this weekend. I would think. My comment was concerning recruiting in general. I mean JoeMo had to win Whop, Guidry and many others over in a matter of a week or two, but some how all that seems to be forgotten. He really did a good job in the early signing period.

[Todd4State]

Brule leaning ark. Robinson from kansas and Nebraska offering who is much closer to home. That simple imo. You predict we get em?

Robinson does have family on the Gulf Coast. And I ain't talking about the Gulf Coast of Kansas. I'm also not talking about some random cousin.

[Todd4State]

Brule should be a signing day wait and probably ARK I would imagine. As of now, anyway. Robinson's parents' want him to be close to home, but it depends on how his OV goes this weekend. I would think. My comment was concerning recruiting in general. I mean JoeMo had to win Whop, Guidry and many others over in a matter of a week or two, but some how all that seems to be forgotten. He really did a good job in the early signing period.

I agree. We need to see how the final OV's go. It seems to me that a lot of times that the guys that show up to those end up signing with us.

Rosebowl is saying that we just re-offered Jaylon Reed.

If we finish with Brule, Robinson, Lovett, Reed, and Kameron Jones I'll be satisfied.

[Commercecomet24]

I agree. We need to see how the final OV's go. It seems to me that a lot of times that the guys that show up to those end up signing with us.

Rosebowl is saying that we just re-offered Jaylon Reed.

If we finish with Brule, Robinson, Lovett, Reed, and Kameron Jones I'll be satisfied.

With what we signed in December that would be a solid class. And Watson and a Furdge probably sign too. I think Furdge has potential. He?s raw but very reminiscent of Taveze.

[yjnkdawg]

I agree. We need to see how the final OV's go. It seems to me that a lot of times that the guys that show up to those end up signing with us.

Rosebowl is saying that we just re-offered Jaylon Reed.

If we finish with Brule, Robinson, Lovett, Reed, and Kameron Jones I'll be satisfied.


Yep. No recruit has a bad OV when a school throws out the red carpet treatment. Maybe Brule was still on that ARK high, and that has kind of disappeared some. Having a recruit's last OV visit before signing day, never hurts and can be a big positive.

[NCDawg]

I wish we had reeled in Jemaurian Jones when we had the chance. Dan passed on a good CB, and he wanted to be here in the end.

I don't know what to say about our closing in recruiting. It seems that there's a disproportionate amount of propaganda being used against us by other staffs, along with the internet and social media. In other words, I dont believe this is a new staff problem. We are painted as the redheaded stepchild of the SEC West. Good seasons have, little, if any, positive effect.

In the end, I believe Moorhead is going to win regardless of how we recruit.

I agree with your last sentence.

[Cooterpoot]

Pretty much an average Dan Mullen class. And our new coaches, a few that haven’t recruited in years, brought no players to the prospect board. We basically failed at CB and OL. Which has been pretty typical for us lately. But, we filled a lot of needs and pull some talent in the early period.

[Bully13]

I agree with your last sentence.

I don't. Gotta croot. Saban didn't even win till he started reelin em in.

[RezDog7]

Maybe somebody needs to teach JoMo how to do the Dougie.

[Bully13]

Why is Griffin McDowell still on page 1 under "current dawgs"? Thats the one that really shows what a piece of shit Mullen is imo.

[archdawg]

Who is scheduled to visit this weekend?

[GreenheadDawg]

Who is scheduled to visit this weekend?

Couple Western TN Technical college recruits. Gonna be a battle until NSD

[vv83]

Hahaha. You are literally freaking out that Arkansas got an 87 overall CB in Bishop because he?s so good and was committed to us. But we get an 85 overall CB from the state of MS that was previously committed to us and now the entire football program is in panic mode because it?s definitely a downgrade.

This schtick you?ve gone on the past week has to be commemorated somehow. It?s been hilarious to watch the melt. I?m glad it?s not me or I would be pissed off at myself by now. I would be really interested to see how your comments would go over if you had to say them straight to Joe Mo?s face. You know, tell him how awful he?s doing that he?s held together a Top 30 recruiting class.

You're drinking the kool aid to the max

[HancockCountyDog]

"In the end, I believe Moorhead is going to win regardless of how we recruit."

This is the most wrong thing I have ever read on here, and that is saying something. If he doesn't recruit well, we will get our teeth kicked in. We play in the SEC, and the reason we have a good team next year is two reasons. Mullen and Hev for all their faults were good at developing an OL that could run Mullen's system. Next year's OL is a bunch of 3 stars that are going to kick ass and take names.

Our defense is littered with 4 star players all over the damn field. SImmons was a five star, Peters 5 star, Leo Lewis 4/5 star, Gerri Green 4 star, Spencer 4 star, Sweat 4 star, Cory Thomas 4 star. What players are we hoping make an impact on offense next year? Heath 4/5 star, Guidry 4 star.

Lets be clear, if Coach doesn't recruit well, he will lose. Anyone saying otherwise is just wrong. Also, when you have a MS class like 2019, I don't want to hear shit like "Coach doesn't need to recruit well, he will just coach em up". I'm sure he expects to recruit well next year, and we as fans should expect that as well.

I'm not sure why the board is so sensitive when a few posters get upset when we lose out on a recruit. That is normal, that shows that fans care. You know who doesn't care about recruiting? Fans of teams that don't compete for shit. Bama fans are freaking the **** out over a class that is outside the top 5. That is a good thing. Saban apparently is not happy with how recruiting is going and is going to make staff changes after signing day. That is what elite programs do.

Its ok to be pissed that we are not closing well, because in 2019 and 2020 if we are struggling on the field and are wasting KT's talent, its going to be because of misses in this year's recruiting class. That is why we end up winning 7-8 instead of 9-10.

[Bothrops]

"In the end, I believe Moorhead is going to win regardless of how we recruit."

This is the most wrong thing I have ever read on here, and that is saying something. If he doesn't recruit well, we will get our teeth kicked in. We play in the SEC, and the reason we have a good team next year is two reasons. Mullen and Hev for all their faults were good at developing an OL that could run Mullen's system. Next year's OL is a bunch of 3 stars that are going to kick ass and take names.

Our defense is littered with 4 star players all over the damn field. SImmons was a five star, Peters 5 star, Leo Lewis 4/5 star, Gerri Green 4 star, Spencer 4 star, Sweat 4 star, Cory Thomas 4 star. What players are we hoping make an impact on offense next year? Heath 4/5 star, Guidry 4 star.

Lets be clear, if Coach doesn't recruit well, he will lose. Anyone saying otherwise is just wrong. Also, when you have a MS class like 2019, I don't want to hear shit like "Coach doesn't need to recruit well, he will just coach em up". I'm sure he expects to recruit well next year, and we as fans should expect that as well.

I'm not sure why the board is so sensitive when a few posters get upset when we lose out on a recruit. That is normal, that shows that fans care. You know who doesn't care about recruiting? Fans of teams that don't compete for shit. Bama fans are freaking the **** out over a class that is outside the top 5. That is a good thing. Saban apparently is not happy with how recruiting is going and is going to make staff changes after signing day. That is what elite programs do.

Its ok to be pissed that we are not closing well, because in 2019 and 2020 if we are struggling on the field and are wasting KT's talent, its going to be because of misses in this year's recruiting class. That is why we end up winning 7-8 instead of 9-10.

It's mostly about scheme bro. It's not like we're gonna fall off the earth in recruiting. We will have a highly productive offense as long as CJM has athletes.

[Cooterpoot]

"In the end, I believe Moorhead is going to win regardless of how we recruit."

This is the most wrong thing I have ever read on here, and that is saying something. If he doesn't recruit well, we will get our teeth kicked in. We play in the SEC, and the reason we have a good team next year is two reasons. Mullen and Hev for all their faults were good at developing an OL that could run Mullen's system. Next year's OL is a bunch of 3 stars that are going to kick ass and take names.

Our defense is littered with 4 star players all over the damn field. SImmons was a five star, Peters 5 star, Leo Lewis 4/5 star, Gerri Green 4 star, Spencer 4 star, Sweat 4 star, Cory Thomas 4 star. What players are we hoping make an impact on offense next year? Heath 4/5 star, Guidry 4 star.

Lets be clear, if Coach doesn't recruit well, he will lose. Anyone saying otherwise is just wrong. Also, when you have a MS class like 2019, I don't want to hear shit like "Coach doesn't need to recruit well, he will just coach em up". I'm sure he expects to recruit well next year, and we as fans should expect that as well.

I'm not sure why the board is so sensitive when a few posters get upset when we lose out on a recruit. That is normal, that shows that fans care. You know who doesn't care about recruiting? Fans of teams that don't compete for shit. Bama fans are freaking the **** out over a class that is outside the top 5. That is a good thing. Saban apparently is not happy with how recruiting is going and is going to make staff changes after signing day. That is what elite programs do.

Its ok to be pissed that we are not closing well, because in 2019 and 2020 if we are struggling on the field and are wasting KT's talent, its going to be because of misses in this year's recruiting class. That is why we end up winning 7-8 instead of 9-10.

I didn't realize we'd lost a bunch of 4 and 5 star players. This class is Mullen's class. Both the hits and misses are his. Now, our new guys didn't bring anybody new into the conversation, but they haven't lost a bunch of high-end rated players either.

[HancockCountyDog]

It's mostly about scheme bro. It's not like we're gonna fall off the earth in recruiting. We will have a highly productive offense as long as CJM has athletes.

Defense is about talent, not scheme, bro.

You can’t scheme your way around not having talent on defense. Schemes can hide deficiencies on offense, but we have been running Mullen’s system for almost a decade, there will be an adjustment, and we will need talented players to compete for the West.

Talent > over scheme all day.

[SmokeyDawg]

Our defense is littered with 4 star players all over the damn field. SImmons was a five star, Peters 5 star, Leo Lewis 4/5 star, Gerri Green 4 star, Spencer 4 star, Sweat 4 star, Cory Thomas 4 star. What players are we hoping make an impact on offense next year? Heath 4/5 star, Guidry 4 star.

Well by this recruiting scale we’ll sign 8 possibly 9 4* players this year. So i’m not going to have a meltdown. If you’re putting the negatives of this class on this staff then you’d have to put all the positives on them too. They covered our most needed position to give us a real shot at 2018. I agree that recruiting is the cornerstone of a program but I’ll wait to see what the staff can do with a clean slate in 2019 and hopefully after a great season before I go asking for heads

[Homedawg]

It's mostly about scheme bro. It's not like we're gonna fall off the earth in recruiting. We will have a highly productive offense as long as CJM has athletes.

So bama has the best scheme every year no matter the coordinator? then you end w saying as long as he has athletes? which is it in your mind? You lost me. And you better have good players first, then scheme, then coach em up, in that order.

[MetEdDawg]

You're drinking the kool aid to the max

I'm not drinking anything. I'm just being an objective observer of what's happened so far. And so far Moorhead kept together a class that everyone said wouldn't be kept together. So we missed on a few OL. So Arkansas took a few of our guys. I literally don't care. This class, on paper, got us the best group of skill position high schoolers we've signed in our history. That can't be questioned.

We are going to miss on some. And guess what. If you didn't expect that you are naive. We still think we should get every 3 star or low end 4 star we go after because we are so awesome. Well guess what. Every other school has that same mentality and things they can sell. We missed on OL this go around. That's not new. But if you can't tell Moorhead is doing things differently you just don't get it or don't follow on social media, which quite a few on here don't do.

So no I'm not drinking kool aid. I'm just watching what we are doing differently. And it's a lot.

[Cooterpoot]

Late losses:

Winkel: 84 - 3 star
McDowell: 83 - 3 star
Mason: 88- 3 star
Bishop: 87- 3 star
Smith: 88- 3 star

Late targets we've got a good shot at:

Lovett: 88- 3 star
Watson: 86- 3 star
Brule: 88- 3 star
Reed: 85- 3 star
Young: 85- 3 star

[Cary Hudson's little bro]

Yeah, put the melters in their place "cooterpoot"

[HancockCountyDog]

Well by this recruiting scale we’ll sign 8 possibly 9 4* players this year. So i’m not going to have a meltdown. If you’re putting the negatives of this class on this staff then you’d have to put all the positives on them too. They covered our most needed position to give us a real shot at 2018. I agree that recruiting is the cornerstone of a program but I’ll wait to see what the staff can do with a clean slate in 2019 and hopefully after a great season before I go asking for heads

Sounds good to me. I was just pointing out that saying a coach was going to win regardless of how he recruits is a terrible thought.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

I'm not drinking anything. I'm just being an objective observer of what's happened so far. And so far Moorhead kept together a class that everyone said wouldn't be kept together. So we missed on a few OL. So Arkansas took a few of our guys. I literally don't care. This class, on paper, got us the best group of skill position high schoolers we've signed in our history. That can't be questioned.

We are going to miss on some. And guess what. If you didn't expect that you are naive. We still think we should get every 3 star or low end 4 star we go after because we are so awesome. Well guess what. Every other school has that same mentality and things they can sell. We missed on OL this go around. That's not new. But if you can't tell Moorhead is doing things differently you just don't get it or don't follow on social media, which quite a few on here don't do.

So no I'm not drinking kool aid. I'm just watching what we are doing differently. And it's a lot.

Your don't care?!? As long as we sign 4* WRs you're A-ok? Go be an OM fan that's all you care about. There are 22 starters buddy, poor play from any one of them can cost you a close game. We need depth everywhere, and since some high rated guys don't pan out you can't just ignore the potential or lack thereof of the bottom of a class.

Seriously, forget about this specific class. What you just said has nothing to do with the specifics of how good/bad we are doing; you just said you LITERALLY DON'T CARE if we miss on OL, CB, and S targets just because the offensive skill players are great. Name me one top 10 team that "literally doesn't care" about the last 8 spots in a class, and I'll show you 4 CFP teams that do and but their ass till signing day is over to fill every spot with the best they can.

You are doing mental gymnastics to say OL and secondary recruiting doesn't matter, and I'm concerned for your health if you honestly think you're objective and rational about recruiting. Ari, IYOK, Steve, and literally every coach in the nation will tell you the bottom of a class and every single position matter.

[msstate7]

Late losses:

Winkel: 84 - 3 star (lost to ark)
McDowell: 83 - 3 star (lost to Florida)
Mason: 88- 3 star (lost to ark)
Bishop: 87- 3 star (lost to ark)
Smith: 88- 3 star (lost to bama)

Late targets we've got a good shot at:

Lovett: 88- 3 star (beat OM and Florida - good get)
Watson: 86- 3 star (auburn only other visit, but no offer)
Brule: 88- 3 star (beat ark, tcu, GT, and Oklahoma state if we get him - good get)
Reed: 85- 3 star (beat Memphis after previously dropping him)
Young: 85- 3 star (not sure who this is)


What about frudge?

If we get your list, we will have gone 2-5 vs sec programs

[yjnkdawg]

I'm not drinking anything. I'm just being an objective observer of what's happened so far. And so far Moorhead kept together a class that everyone said wouldn't be kept together. So we missed on a few OL. So Arkansas took a few of our guys. I literally don't care. This class, on paper, got us the best group of skill position high schoolers we've signed in our history. That can't be questioned.

We are going to miss on some. And guess what. If you didn't expect that you are naive. We still think we should get every 3 star or low end 4 star we go after because we are so awesome. Well guess what. Every other school has that same mentality and things they can sell. We missed on OL this go around. That's not new. But if you can't tell Moorhead is doing things differently you just don't get it or don't follow on social media, which quite a few on here don't do.

So no I'm not drinking kool aid. I'm just watching what we are doing differently. And it's a lot.


Some on here don't understand being objective or realisitic. I have about decided those who continually criticize are posting controversial comments just to push somebody's button and get an argument started. Some people thrive on that sort of thing.

[Cooterpoot]

What about frudge?

If we get your list, we will have gone 2-5 vs sec programs

Furdge: 86- 3 star
Robinson: 80- 3 star (don't know if he's been fully evaluated though)

[vv83]

Some on here don't understand being objective or realisitic. I have about decided those who continually criticize are posting controversial comments just to push somebody's button and get an argument started. Some people thrive on that sort of thing.

It's just hilarious to me how quick you guys change your mind. 7 made a great point earlier that when we dropped Reed everyone was saying how he wasn't SEC quality and we're better off moving on then as SOON as we re-offer because our class is getting poached he's a great pickup and we aren't really missing anything from our other targets because Reed is back in the boat and 7 is just a negative poster with no valid points. Seriously? Now, I originally never wanted to drop him and am glad to have him back and I hope he becomes an SEC caliber starter for us but damn.. you talk about being realistic. Negativity (and positivity) and facing the facts is a huge part of being realistic.
Moorhead did an OUTSTANDING job keeping Malik, Whop, and Guidry and he deserves credit for that, but as head coach he is also going to take the blame when we take losses.

[Cooterpoot]

What about frudge?

If we get your list, we will have gone 2-5 vs sec programs

With one vs Bama that we will never win. That makes 2-4 realistically. 1 to FL that well lose every time. That makes 2-3 realistically. Honestly, we lost Winkel. Bishop's dream school was Arkansas. Mason had a punkass coach get involved.
Plus, we basically dropped Winkel and Brule, so they've got incentive to tell us to suck it. So does Reed as far as that goes.
Other than Bishop, I really don't see bad losses here. None of them are much different.
I get the fact that we need OL and CBs in a bad way. I get that some of you might be "embarrassed" because you think your team should get these kids. But in reality, it's not that big a difference in what we're getting and losing IF we get the targets we've got out there. Other than the new guys not really bringing new players to the table, I just don't really care. Smith and Bishop would've been nice. The OL guys though, there's no difference to me. We just need to get the ones out there now.

[vv83]

I'm not drinking anything. I'm just being an objective observer of what's happened so far. And so far Moorhead kept together a class that everyone said wouldn't be kept together. So we missed on a few OL. So Arkansas took a few of our guys. I literally don't care. This class, on paper, got us the best group of skill position high schoolers we've signed in our history. That can't be questioned.

We are going to miss on some. And guess what. If you didn't expect that you are naive. We still think we should get every 3 star or low end 4 star we go after because we are so awesome. Well guess what. Every other school has that same mentality and things they can sell. We missed on OL this go around. That's not new. But if you can't tell Moorhead is doing things differently you just don't get it or don't follow on social media, which quite a few on here don't do.

So no I'm not drinking kool aid. I'm just watching what we are doing differently. And it's a lot.

Well you just lost all credibility

[msstate7]

With one vs Bama that we will never win. That makes 2-4 realistically. 1 to FL that well lose every time. That makes 2-3 realistically. Honestly, we lost Winkel. Bishop's dream school was Arkansas. Mason had a punkass coach get involved.
Plus, we basically dropped Winkel and Brule, so they've got incentive to tell us to suck it. So does Reed as far as that goes.
Other than Bishop, I really don't see bad losses here. None of them are much different.
I get the fact that we need OL and CBs in a bad way. I get that some of you might be "embarrassed" because you think your team should get these kids. But in reality, it's not that big a difference in what we're getting and losing IF we get the targets we've got out there. Other than the new guys not really bringing new players to the table, I just don't really care. Smith and Bishop would've been nice. The OL guys though, there's no difference to me. We just need to get the ones out there now.

Carvin to tenn is another loss

[Cooterpoot]

Carvin to tenn is another loss

Carvin hurt. No doubt. But again, dream school. You aren't beating out dream schools.

[msudawglb]

So, maybe I missed it, but is Smith a definite to Bama? Or is everyone just assuming he is going to Bama since he posted a video of Saban dancing?

[msstate7]

So, maybe I missed it, but is Smith a definite to Bama? Or is everyone just assuming he is going to Bama since he posted a video of Saban dancing?

He supposedly got a real offer

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Carvin hurt. No doubt. But again, dream school. You aren't beating out dream schools.

Funny how that works against us so often, yet for us so rarely. What connections to TN did Carvin have? He's from Memphis, so is geographically closer to us, OM, Arky, Bama, and Vandy than he is to TN. At one point he seemed higher on us Arky and Bama than TN. Pruitt took till signing day to swing him, so it's not like Bishop who flipped just as soon as the Arky staff showed him they weren't a trainwreck. What family ties does Carvin have to TN? he use to live there?

[yjnkdawg]

Carvin to tenn is another loss



I'm not sure that coul actually be counted as a loss, because we never actually had him. If TN offered he was going to go to TN. We were his backup plan basically.

[msstate7]

I'm not sure that coul actually be counted as a loss, because we never actually had him. If TN offered he was going to go to TN. We were his backup plan basically.

Pretty sure he had the offer all along

[yjnkdawg]

Funny how that works against us so often, yet for us so rarely. What connections to TN did Carvin have? He's from Memphis, so is geographically closer to us, OM, Arky, Bama, and Vandy than he is to TN. At one point he seemed higher on us Arky and Bama than TN. Pruitt took till signing day to swing him, so it's not like Bishop who flipped just as soon as the Arky staff showed him they weren't a trainwreck. What family ties does Carvin have to TN? he use to live there?


I believe he grew up a Vol fan. It really doesn't matter though. He was going to go to TN if he got that offer.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

I'm not sure that coul actually be counted as a loss, because we never actually had him. If TN offered he was going to go to TN. We were his backup plan basically.

uhhh I'm going to need some kind of source on that, either from Steve or Ari or another guy in the know on here, because I read this thread and listened to the Boneyard since July and I've never heard what you're saying. And TN didn't offer him? Who wouldn't offer an unanimous 4* OL with no off field issues who's being pursued by multiple other SEC schools? And its not like he was under the radar and missed by TN like you could say about Murphy or Cumbest. I'm not saying you're wrong, and maybe I'm just an idiot who forgot, but I don't recall seeing "We're his backup plan, if Tn offers he's gone" ever during his recruitment like we just say with Smith and Bama or Watson and Auburn. In fact, Ari and IYOK said he was ours a couple days before signing day well after TN had put the pressure on him

[HoopsDawg]

With one vs Bama that we will never win. That makes 2-4 realistically. 1 to FL that well lose every time. That makes 2-3 realistically. Honestly, we lost Winkel. Bishop's dream school was Arkansas. Mason had a punkass coach get involved.
Plus, we basically dropped Winkel and Brule, so they've got incentive to tell us to suck it. So does Reed as far as that goes.
Other than Bishop, I really don't see bad losses here. None of them are much different.
I get the fact that we need OL and CBs in a bad way. I get that some of you might be "embarrassed" because you think your team should get these kids. But in reality, it's not that big a difference in what we're getting and losing IF we get the targets we've got out there. Other than the new guys not really bringing new players to the table, I just don't really care. Smith and Bishop would've been nice. The OL guys though, there's no difference to me. We just need to get the ones out there now.

Man, I didn't realize you were the type of poster to spin this much. We are having a bad run and it's ok to admit it. And I don't think it's indicative of the type of recruiters this staff can be.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

+1 hoops... we absolutely didn't drop Winkel or Brule, and saying "the past few weeks have sucked" or "The last few weeks are making me concerned for the future" is not the same as saying "THE SKY IS FALLING" or "CLOSE UP SHOP BOYS THE 2019 CLASS WILL SUCK". We have a good team, an overall good roster with a few holes down the road (OL and CB), and a good on-field staff. What's so wrong with saying the recruiting needs to step up? Even Steve said today that "If I'm Arkansas, I carpet bomb the state of MS with offers in 2019 because this State staff doesn't scare me" regarding the recent Arky recrooting victories. And Steve is a pretty optimistic guy...

I think this staff will do very well, but maybe there's something too the opinion that SEC recruiting is different and it takes time to adjust to. Whatever it is the fact remains no staff is 100% perfect and it's irrational to ignore what's going on

[Commercecomet24]

I like to let it play out, and just see what happens. Things are never as bad or good as they seem. Signing day is next week and there will be plenty of time to bitch after that i'm sure. Let it play out and see what happens. Maybe a surprise or 2, who knows. None of us had any inkling we were getting Kilby-Lane in the December signing class. I'm just going to see who we sign next week, add it to who we signed in December and then we can assess where we are. That's just me though.

[Cary Hudson's little bro]

A lot of pressure on the Moorhead team to recruit for 2019.

We lose 24 scholly seniors and Jeffrey Simmons and Leo Lewis (he'll rebound this year) and maybe even Chauncey Rivers, Marquiss Spencer and Farrod Green. (last 3 are longshots, I know, but Green is already on some draft lists)

Can't wait to see how it all shakes out

[Bully13]

I wish we could flip some SEC croots. Only flips we get are from UT Chattanooga, LA Tech and ULL.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Why is Griffin McDowell still on page 1 under "current dawgs"? Thats the one that really shows what a piece of shit Mullen is imo.

Fixed...I hope your day gets better

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[Bothrops]

Sounds good to me. I was just pointing out that saying a coach was going to win regardless of how he recruits is a terrible thought.

Well you are gonna be surprised.

[Bothrops]

So bama has the best scheme every year no matter the coordinator? then you end w saying as long as he has athletes? which is it in your mind? You lost me. And you better have good players first, then scheme, then coach em up, in that order.

Damn man, you don't follow either. There are plenty of athletes that can run this offense and not all are going to be 4 star ranked players. This isn't Mullen's offense.

[Eric Nies Grind Time]

So what's new with basketball recruiting? If Fox gets fired do we have a shot with any of their recruits?

[Bothrops]

So, maybe I missed it, but is Smith a definite to Bama? Or is everyone just assuming he is going to Bama since he posted a video of Saban dancing?

He's Bama bound. Saban ****ed us.

[Cooterpoot]

Man, I didn't realize you were the type of poster to spin this much. We are having a bad run and it's ok to admit it. And I don't think it's indicative of the type of recruiters this staff can be.

There's no spin. Notice I said I was unhappy the coaches didn't bring in some new names. But other than a couple of guys, there's little difference in what we're getting (assuming we finish with the guys left). This wasn't a super year in state either. Next year is the big year in state with a lot of highly rated guys. Had Mullen stayed, we'd have kept McDowell and maybe the kicker, but that's about it. Only disappointment I can find is that our new coaches couldn't come up with new names to plug in better. But Mullen's net was so small, he left no margin for error with recruiting too.

[MetEdDawg]

Well you just lost all credibility

How?? We passed them and we are flipping out over a couple 3 stars. Our fan base is going nuts over losing guys that won?t make decent impacts on our roster for at least 3 years.

We passed them. Get over it. If Brule comes back in good. If he doesn?t ok. But let?s not act like we lost anyone that was immediate impact. He?s RS next year and maybe 2 deep as a RS freshman but probably not. I?m just floored some of us have gotten so bad at handling recruiting. It makes us look damned foolish.

[msstate7]

How?? We passed them and we are flipping out over a couple 3 stars. Our fan base is going nuts over losing guys that won?t make decent impacts on our roster for at least 3 years.

We passed them. Get over it. If Brule comes back in good. If he doesn?t ok. But let?s not act like we lost anyone that was immediate impact. He?s RS next year and maybe 2 deep as a RS freshman but probably not. I?m just floored some of us have gotten so bad at handling recruiting. It makes us look damned foolish.

Fitz and dak were a couple 3* too

[defiantdog]

Fitz and dak were a couple 3* too
Fitz was a 2*

[vv83]

How?? We passed them and we are flipping out over a couple 3 stars. Our fan base is going nuts over losing guys that won?t make decent impacts on our roster for at least 3 years.

We passed them. Get over it. If Brule comes back in good. If he doesn?t ok. But let?s not act like we lost anyone that was immediate impact. He?s RS next year and maybe 2 deep as a RS freshman but probably not. I?m just floored some of us have gotten so bad at handling recruiting. It makes us look damned foolish.

are you serious?? This is the worst response yet. There's always next year, huh?

[MetEdDawg]

are you serious?? This is the worst response yet. There's always next year, huh?

Actually yes there is. Would I like another OL? Yes. A good CB? Yes. Another safety? Sure. But to say Moorhead isn’t impressing or to say we should be upset is just dumb. It’s just dumb.

Arkansas and Tennessee list their coaches because they sucked. We lost our coach because we were really good. You think kids might want to go somewhere where they can play early? If you think that’s not a factor then I can’t help you.

Additionally, your response was worse. All you did was say my response sucked. You provided nothing in the way of opinion or fact other than losing a few middle tier guys as to why we should be pissed at Moorhead and be flipping out right now.

[MetEdDawg]

Fitz was a 2*

Yep. And there were plenty on here that were unsure about him. Same with Jenkins. Point is that we are making snap judgements on a couple 18 year olds being why we should hang Moorhead now after only 2 months on the job. We have a week left. We don’t know what it’s going to look like yet. Ink isn’t dry just yet.

All I’m saying is let it play out before we start raining fire and brimstone on Moorhead’s office.

[Turfdawg67]

I'm not drinking anything. I'm just being an objective observer of what's happened so far. And so far Moorhead kept together a class that everyone said wouldn't be kept together. So we missed on a few OL. So Arkansas took a few of our guys. I literally don't care. This class, on paper, got us the best group of skill position high schoolers we've signed in our history. That can't be questioned.

We are going to miss on some. And guess what. If you didn't expect that you are naive. We still think we should get every 3 star or low end 4 star we go after because we are so awesome. Well guess what. Every other school has that same mentality and things they can sell. We missed on OL this go around. That's not new. But if you can't tell Moorhead is doing things differently you just don't get it or don't follow on social media, which quite a few on here don't do.

So no I'm not drinking kool aid. I'm just watching what we are doing differently. And it's a lot.

Good post!

[msstate7]

Yep. And there were plenty on here that were unsure about him. Same with Jenkins. Point is that we are making snap judgements on a couple 18 year olds being why we should hang Moorhead now after only 2 months on the job. We have a week left. We don’t know what it’s going to look like yet. Ink isn’t dry just yet.

All I’m saying is let it play out before we start raining fire and brimstone on Moorhead’s office.

Fitz was an early commit. He was not a late reach

[MetEdDawg]

Fitz was an early commit. He was not a late reach

I didn’t know 24/7 differentiated between late reaches and early signees. Good thing you didn’t judge Dillon Day the same way

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Oh man this thread. had we gotten Mason, Winkle, Smith, etc everyone on here would be saying "see how good at recruiting JoMo is? This class has no duds in it at all- all these guys JoMo got have the chance to play. That's how you build a championship team! JoMo definitely going to clean up next year, look at all these SEC battles he's winning!". And you know what? I, vv83, and 7 would probably agree. In fact, anyone saying the sample size was too small to say JoMo is a great recruiter would be called out for always looking for the negatives...

But now that those guys ALL flipped/chose other SEC teams, suddenly they are no better than the next guy on the board/who cares about the bottom of the class anyway?/none of them would have ever contributed/there's always some reason they went elsewhere that takes the blame off the staff/(my personal favorite) "I literally don't care" about the flips because we've already gotten some good players at the top of the class. And anyone drawing conclusions about the staffs' recruiting abilities is jumping the gun and "melting". Hell, anyone even saying the current trend is less than ideal are being attacked.

The hypocrisy is unreal. I agree it's too early to draw conclusions... but to act like these guys don't matter is insane. of course they matter. To act like the next guy on the board is jut as good is insane. To act like loosing recruiting battles doesn't even hint at a possible problem is insane. To act like good WR's means we don't need a secondary is insane. And that's what I'm seeing here, when we all know the "reactionary' logic being used against the new staff is the EXACT same logic wed use to pump them up if these battles were going our way. I'm pretty new here, but these mental hoops to some of you are jumping through makes me concerned for your safety

[BuckyIsAB****]

Like its been said, Moorhead and some of the other coaches that A. Havent recruited at all in years or B. Havent recruited the state of MS have to build relationships and get the connections.

The last few weeks arent worth a total melt but its not good either. I personally was expecting this and was really pleasantly surprised on signing day that we kept it together.

I think its a pretty top heavy class and if we dont keep Lovett its even more so. If we sign Lovett its a B+ class for me.

McDowell and Winkel were hard to lose but we got one of the best OL in the class in Dolla Bill. Dont let anyone tell you different, his ceiling is 1st round NFL type

[MetEdDawg]

Oh man this thread. had we gotten Mason, Winkle, Smith, etc everyone on here would be saying "see how good at recruiting JoMo is? This class has no duds in it at all- all these guys JoMo got have the chance to play. That's how you build a championship team! JoMo definitely going to clean up next year, look at all these SEC battles he's winning!". And you know what? I, vv83, and 7 would probably agree. In fact, anyone saying the sample size was too small to say JoMo is a great recruiter would be called out for always looking for the negatives...

But now that those guys ALL flipped/chose other SEC teams, suddenly they are no better than the next guy on the board/who cares about the bottom of the class anyway?/none of them would have ever contributed/there's always some reason they went elsewhere that takes the blame off the staff/(my personal favorite) "I literally don't care" about the flips because we've already gotten some good players at the top of the class. And anyone drawing conclusions about the staffs' recruiting abilities is jumping the gun and "melting". Hell, anyone even saying the current trend is less than ideal are being attacked.

The hypocrisy is unreal. I agree it's too early to draw conclusions... but to act like these guys don't matter is insane. of course they matter. To act like the next guy on the board is jut as good is insane. To act like loosing recruiting battles doesn't even hint at a possible problem is insane. To act like good WR's means we don't need a secondary is insane. And that's what I'm seeing here, when we all know the "reactionary' logic being used against the new staff is the EXACT same logic wed use to pump them up if these battles were going our way. I'm pretty new here, but these mental hoops to some of you are jumping through makes me concerned for your safety

Wrong. Not everyone acts like that. Most do, but that doesn’t justify it being the correct way. I’ve been consistent from the beginning that they are decent pieces on paper. But they are the same whether or not they are with us or somewhere else. Decent pieces. If we get them ok. If not ok. They don’t seem to be game changers. It’s not like we lost a recruiting battle to LSU on these guys. We lost to arkansas where 2 of these kids had prior relationships.

Additionally, every D1 football program loses recruiting battles. Every single one of them. So according to your statement every D1 football program has a possible problem. I just choose to wait and see. As much as it pains most of you, you don’t know what’s really going on. What angles are being worked. Unless you pay for it. And even then you don’t know everything. Sh’Mar was a total pull out of left field that none of you knew about. So just stop. Give up the melt and wait until Wednesday. I can promise you it’s not only a better way to live, but I try and make it a habit to not judge things until they are finished because I don’t always know the plans of the people involved in the process I’m observing.

[bulldawg28]

Fitz and dak were a couple 3* too

Annnnddd they didn't play for 3 years. You're proving his point.

[msbulldog]

Please. ALL people please just chill! HELL ya'll are raising my blood pressure just reading all this back and forth crap!
Hell boys ya'll don't have a damn thing to do with this except to give your opinion. I know what my opinion is worth and I suspect that yours is worth about the same.
Hell everybody is fighting over players that got left out the first go round, it gives them importance, that before they would not have. Hell in prior years, most of these guys would be trying get on with their next best team because they got left out by their dream team. And $hit we're fighting over players that didn't get chosen in December.
I know this is a unrealistic hope, but can we just place our trust in our new staff and give them a chance? I know all ya'll are control freaks, but just let up and support our school! Hail State!

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Additionally, every D1 football program loses recruiting battles. Every single one of them. So according to your statement every D1 football program has a possible problem.

Every other D1 program is also WINNING some recruiting battles too... Saban might miss on 4 5 stars before he lands one, but he's still landing one. Since the early signing period we've lost 3 commits, and 3 battles for non-commits. And we've gotten 0, despite Arky (a worse program than us) being the key opponent. It's like basketball- you're fine giving up 65 points if you score enough to win, it's when you lose every game that it's a problem. Nobody says "Every BB team gives up points!" when you're in an 0-5 stretch, which is what we are in in recruiting.


As much as it pains most of you, you don?t know what?s really going on. What angles are being worked. Unless you pay for it. And even then you don?t know everything. Sh?Mar was a total pull out of left field that none of you knew about.[QUOTE]

We don't need to know the details of the process, all we need to know are the results. I don't know the ins and out so of Kirby's recruiting, but I can see from the results that they must be good. I don't know the ins and out of Stoops' recruiting, but I can see from the results he's not elite at it. i don't know the ins and out of basketball, but I can tell from the stats that Eli Wright is not a great player. I'm not even saying JoMo has a problem, I'm just pointing out here that your logic (you don't know details so can't coment on the results) is flawed.

[QUOTE]So just stop. Give up the melt and wait until Wednesday. I can promise you it?s not only a better way to live, but I try and make it a habit to not judge things until they are finished because I don?t always know the plans of the people involved in the process I?m observing.

There it is again, talking about "melting". I am getting close to melting, but it's not at our recruiting, it's at this board that can't take even reasonable criticism of the new staff. Is it possible to say "things aren't going good, hope they get better" without it being melting? That's all I've seen from 7 and vv58 yet both of them have been accused of melting. If things were going good nobody would be stopping those who were overreacting about how great JoMo was.

Nobody is saying the staff can' recruit. Nobody is saying the class will suck. Nobody is saying there's 100% no chance of a signing day miracle that really helps the class. 7 and vv58 and I are not shotgun, who always craps on everything; if things turn around we will acknowledge it. What we ARE saying is that currently, at this moment, things are not going well, and the class is suffering for it. How much these players specifically really affect things is up for debate, but I can't understand why it's so wrong to acknowledge the FACT that we are currently getting our ass kicked, which we are. I hope we flip 8 SEC comits and will scream for joy, but until then I'll be honest about the current situation

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Annnnddd they didn't play for 3 years. You're proving his point.

...some of us want to win in 3 years... and to do that, you have to have recruiting success now. Regardless of when it catches up to you (in a good or bad way), recruiting always will, and some of us would like to win later as well as now

[bulldawg28]

...some of us want to win in 3 years... and to do that, you have to have recruiting success now. Regardless of when it catches up to you (in a good or bad way), recruiting always will, and some of us would like to win later as well as now

We have no idea how the current coaching staff will handle players and playing time. These 3 players people are melting over will not cause us to be a losing team. However, the top 15 players already signed this year will be reasons we succeed in the imminent future and beyond.

[Commercecomet24]

We have no idea how the current coaching staff will handle players and playing time. These 3 players people are melting over will not cause us to be a losing team. However, the top 15 players already signed this year will be reasons we succeed in the imminent future and beyond.

Truth.

[msstate7]

Any word on Robinson trip to Nebraska?

[Commercecomet24]

Any word on Robinson trip to Nebraska?

Good question.

[HoopsDawg]

Any word on Robinson trip to Nebraska?

They basically told him that he doesn't have a firm offer right now. They are waiting on 1 or 2 other guys, but if they miss, they want him. The coaches actually told him to go to Miss State this weekend and enjoy his visit.

[msstate7]

They basically told him that he doesn't have a firm offer right now. They are waiting on 1 or 2 other guys, but if they miss, they want him. The coaches actually told him to go to Miss State this weekend and enjoy his visit.

I am not sure we have that luxury. We probably need to sign him

[HoopsDawg]

I am not sure we have that luxury. We probably need to sign him

Our contingency plan is in full effect and he is it. But if papers from Nebraska show up on signing day, my bet is he signs there. His HS basketball coach drove him there.

[Commercecomet24]

Our contingency plan is in full effect and he is it. But if papers from Nebraska show up on signing day, my bet is he signs there. His HS basketball coach drove him there.

I got to think the kid must have some pretty good upside if Frost and Joe both after him.

[Bully13]

I'm smelling another joey trapp deal. We usually get left at the altar on deals like this.

[maroonmania]

I got to think the kid must have some pretty good upside if Frost and Joe both after him.

We only want him because we are desparate for OL in this class. Not because we are high on him as a prospect.

[vv83]

Annnnddd they didn't play for 3 years. You're proving his point.

EXACTLY. They didn?t play for 3 years. You know who won?t play for us in 3 years? Smith, Winkel, Mason, Brule, Carvin.. but no you?re right why should anyone care?

[Cooterpoot]

Robinson, Jones, & Young....Sign’m up. One of them is bound to work out.

[Commercecomet24]

We only want him because we are desparate for OL in this class. Not because we are high on him as a prospect.

Yeah I understand he?s not highly rated and a backup plan but Frost sees a little something so does Joe. I?m not under the impression he?s gonna be the next Gabe Jackson but who knows. Not saying he?ll be an all sec or ever even play but we have had pretty good luck with some lower rated ols.

[Todd4State]

Robinson, Jones, & Young....Sign’m up. One of them is bound to work out.

At least he's trying. A 2 star is more likely to pan out and than just not signing anybody. I'll give him that.

And that is what killed us under Dan- not signing enough offensive linemen or any tall WR's, or whatever it was.

[Commercecomet24]

At least he's trying. A 2 star is more likely to pan out and than just not signing anybody. I'll give him that.

And that is what killed us under Dan- not signing enough offensive linemen or any tall WR's, or whatever it was.

Right! if dan missed on getting his ?camp boys? we just didn?t sign anybody. That?s part of the reason we are thin in spots now. And where most of this angst in recruiting is coming from. At least this staff is trying to do something different.

[maroonmania]

Yeah I understand he?s not highly rated and a backup plan but Frost sees a little something so does Joe. I?m not under the impression he?s gonna be the next Gabe Jackson but who knows. Not saying he?ll be an all sec or ever even play but we have had pretty good luck with some lower rated ols.

Oh, don't get me wrong, at this point, given our situation I would love to sign him. OL, outside of the very top guys, are by far the hardest to project on how they will perform at the college level anyway.

[Commercecomet24]

Oh, don't get me wrong, at this point, given our situation I would love to sign him. OL, outside of the very top guys, are by far the hardest to project on how they will perform at the college level anyway.

Amen to that! Hardest position by far, worse than even qbs to project lol

Their development is just so different than any other position group with so many variables

[Todd4State]

Right! if dan missed on getting his ?camp boys? we just didn?t sign anybody. That?s part of the reason we are thin in spots now. And where most of this angst in recruiting is coming from. At least this staff is trying to do something different.

Exactly. And it absolutely drove me nuts. It was like watching a train that you knew was going to crash and you couldn't really do anything about it except scream...in my case on a message board.

Hopefully another thing that Joe will do differently is let the best players play. If we happen to get some talented players down the line in the position groups we're thin at the moment in- we can always have them compete with the players we finish with and then we at least will have in theory a "veteran" guy and a "high end" guy.

Even worse is when I'm sitting there watching us play Alabama and we just don't have any WR's that can get any separation whatsoever.

[Todd4State]

Oh, don't get me wrong, at this point, given our situation I would love to sign him. OL, outside of the very top guys, are by far the hardest to project on how they will perform at the college level anyway.

That is true but when only sign one you are potentially putting yourself in a dicey situation.

That's why I think we should sign at least five o-line prospects a recruiting cycle. You just increase the odds of hitting on them that way.

[Todd4State]

I'm smelling another joey trapp deal. We usually get left at the altar on deals like this.

Let's see if he shows up on his OV. That will be pretty telling to me.

And FWIW I think all of our o-line prospects are better than Trapp. O-line is difficult to evaluate but it was pretty obvious that Trapp was a reach at the time.

[Commercecomet24]

Exactly. And it absolutely drove me nuts. It was like watching a train that you knew was going to crash and you couldn't really do anything about it except scream...in my case on a message board.

Hopefully another thing that Joe will do differently is let the best players play. If we happen to get some talented players down the line in the position groups we're thin at the moment in- we can always have them compete with the players we finish with and then we at least will have in theory a "veteran" guy and a "high end" guy.

Even worse is when I'm sitting there watching us play Alabama and we just don't have any WR's that can get any separation whatsoever.

Imagine the season we would?ve had if we would?ve had a Bear and Fred Ross on this last team? By not signing enough each year the last few years he left us on this precarious situation with ols and cbs. Granted he left us in great shape for 18, but we got some holes to fill by not signing enough the last few years. I know this staff has had some misses here recently but at least they?re beating the bushes looking for players. That?s totally different than in the past.

[Commercecomet24]

That is true but when only sign one you are potentially putting yourself in a dicey situation.

That's why I think we should sign at least five o-line prospects a recruiting cycle. You just increase the odds of hitting on them that way.

Agree it needs to be 5 ols, 4 minimum per class and then process as needed. Gotta play the law of averages with lineman.

[maroonmania]

Let's see if he shows up on his OV. That will be pretty telling to me.

And FWIW I think all of our o-line prospects are better than Trapp. O-line is difficult to evaluate but it was pretty obvious that Trapp was a reach at the time.

Yea, and pretty sure Trapp was a JUCO. Got 2 extra years of evaluation on him and Hev still couldn't see he wasn't worth a scholarship.

[desotodawgz]

There should be a junior college offensive lineman in the state of Mississippi that is going to be a sophmore or redshirt freshman next year that was fully qualified coming out of high school that has grown or developed enough that we should take a chance on given our O line numbers in this class. They would have 4 to play 3 or 3 to play 3 and give us a little depth for the future

[Commercecomet24]

Yea, and pretty sure Trapp was a JUCO. Got 2 extra years of evaluation on him and Hev still couldn't see he wasn't worth a scholarship.

And a from a juco in Los Angeles. That was one of the strangest recruits I?ve ever seen anyone sign.

[maroonmania]

Agree it needs to be 5 ols, 4 minimum per class and then process as needed. Gotta play the law of averages with lineman.

Right now getting 3 quality HS OL per year sounds like hitting the jackpot given our recent history. We are probably going to need to keep signing at least one quality JUCO OL per year.

[Commercecomet24]

Right now getting 3 quality HS OL per year sounds like hitting the jackpot given our recent history. We are probably going to need to keep signing at least one quality JUCO OL per year.

Agreed. Yeah to makeup ground we gonna have to beat the juco bushes for sure and hope Joe is more concerned about finding quality ol than the previous staff.

[Todd4State]

There should be a junior college offensive lineman in the state of Mississippi that is going to be a sophmore or redshirt freshman next year that was fully qualified coming out of high school that has grown or developed enough that we should take a chance on given our O line numbers in this class. They would have 4 to play 3 or 3 to play 3 and give us a little depth for the future

The 25 man hard cap makes it more difficult to take JUCO's. As deep as the 2019 class is in Mississippi I think the strategy should be to sign as many Mississippi players as we can along a Schrader and then a 4 star RB. That's another reason why undersigning hurts- and it will hurt even worse in the coming years.

[HoopsDawg]

There should be a junior college offensive lineman in the state of Mississippi that is going to be a sophmore or redshirt freshman next year that was fully qualified coming out of high school that has grown or developed enough that we should take a chance on given our O line numbers in this class. They would have 4 to play 3 or 3 to play 3 and give us a little depth for the future. Yeah, surely we called every Juco coach in the state and asked if they had one guy. I mean surely there is one guy in the entire state with d1 potential.

[Commercecomet24]

The 25 man hard cap makes it more difficult to take JUCO's. As deep as the 2019 class is in Mississippi I think the strategy should be to sign as many Mississippi players as we can along a Schrader and then a 4 star RB. That's another reason why undersigning hurts- and it will hurt even worse in the coming years.

Under signing from here on out is gonna be a death blow to a program. Just can?t happen

[BuckyIsAB****]

OM just offered Tylan Knight from Pearl.

Like I said earlier in the thread, somebody will offer him and he deserves it. Size be damned

[Todd4State]

. Yeah, surely we called every Juco coach in the state and asked if they had one guy. I mean surely there is one guy in the entire state with d1 potential.

I bet we wait until 2020 for the JUCO prospects on the o-line. That just makes a lot more sense to me at the moment. Joe could also go after grad transfers as well- something Dan very rarely did.

[Todd4State]

Under signing from here on out is gonna be a death blow to a program. Just can?t happen

Exactly. It would be essentially the same as a NFL team leaving a draft pick on the table. You have to take 25 and then adjust as necessary...hopefully 1-2 go to the NFL as juniors, about 10 play as true freshmen and then the rest redshirt. Hopefully no more than five don't pan out and have to be processed.

[Todd4State]

OM just offered Tylan Knight from Pearl.

Like I said earlier in the thread, somebody will offer him and he deserves it. Size be damned

That's interesting. They do like scatbacks. Almost as much as they like WR's. I think he could be a pretty good kick returner in the SEC to be honest- I wouldn't mind offering if we have space.

[BuckyIsAB****]

That's interesting. They do like scatbacks. Almost as much as they like WR's. I think he could be a pretty good kick returner in the SEC to be honest- I wouldn't mind offering if we have space.

Shotgun and some of the ''experts'' on here will probably go nuclear on me again for saying this but we are incompetent if we are worried about undersigning and we dont offer this kid.

Even if all we get is a good special teams player/returner its worth it and better than signing no one. He will make OM or wherever he goes a better program

[ShotgunDawg]

Shotgun and some of the ''experts'' on here will probably go nuclear on me again for saying this but we are incompetent if we are worried about undersigning and we dont offer this kid.

Even if all we get is a good special teams player/returner its worth it and better than signing no one. He will make OM or wherever he goes a better program

I agree with you. Better to sign a chance.

[Cooterpoot]

We aren’t undersigning.

[Red Sox Dawg]

The key here is still 85 on scholarship. You can’t sign 25 every year and redshirt players, those numbers won’t work. Some guys will have to be processed. You can sign 25 every year if you are willing to process 5-6 every year and don’t redshirt many. New math.

[MetEdDawg]

The key here is still 85 on scholarship. You can’t sign 25 every year and redshirt players, those numbers won’t work. Some guys will have to be processed. You can sign 25 every year if you are willing to process 5-6 every year and don’t redshirt many. New math.

Lot of people forget this. We are a low attrition program that doesn’t lose a lot of juniors either. So we can sign 25 every year. But we have cut or lose 4 per year to make that work out.

[Cooterpoot]

You're going to see several players leave after spring.

[Red Sox Dawg]

I agree, and next year we will sign 25 and have to process some more.
Coach has stated he isn’t going to run anybody off right now, everyone has a clean slate. That’s part of the reason he isn’t going to over sign this year, along with the new staff hasn’t had a full recruiting cycle here. The guys we have “lost” to other schools aren’t from Mississippi and have no loyalty to State. And while I know it hurt’s some folks feelings that those guys didn’t choose State, some folks don’t see the attraction that we see.

[Roy Munson]

I say we offer a borderline at all the high schools that have a big time recruit next year or a high school we want an in at to finish out the class. At least sign the freakin 25.