Jordan Seaton on campus

[Big4Dawg]

https://x.com/petethamel/status/2011958504429338801?s=46

Big big news

[BigDawg81]

Getting him on campus is huge. We may not get him but absolutely can’t get him if you can’t get him on campus

[BeardoMSU]

Don't let him leave

[StarkVegasSteve]

We dropped a BAG just for the visit.

[BeardoMSU]

We dropped a BAG just for the visit.

That means we're serious about meeting his #

[StarkVegasSteve]

That means we're serious about meeting his #

If the number I heard is true and what we are willing to go, we will not be outbid.

[BeardoMSU]

If the number I heard is true and what we are willing to go, we will not be outbid.

Good.

[Todd4State]

Make it happen Lebby!

[BankerDog]

Others spend over $2MM on QBs, we double that for our LT. this is a complete team effort. Selmon is heavily involved in trying to close this deal as well.

All of those who just whine on here (Tater, MS 7) start stepping up and going all in like everyone else has been.

[KOdawg1]

LT: Seaton/James/Shumpert
LG: Prudhomme/Nash/Dent
C: Chester/Boone/Nash
RG: Steen/Miller/Matthews
RT: McVay/Steen/Miles

Suddenly, we're looking at a damn good offensive line. Would be huge.

[BeardoMSU]

Others spend over $2MM on QBs, we double that for our LT. this is a complete team effort. Selmon is heavily involved in trying to close this deal as well.

All of those who just whine on here (Tater, MS 7) start stepping up and going all in like everyone else has been.

Great to hear. And as others have said, we pull him and in a few years he's an all-pro in the league with a massive contract, it'll be pennies on the dollar in terms of ROI.

[Maroon Glasses]

I really hope we close the deal. But if we don't I am just happy that we are being serious contenders. It's showing we mean business!

[msstate7]

If the number I heard is true and what we are willing to go, we will not be outbid.

If he turns us down at a huge number, where does that money pivot to?

[CaptainObvious]

If he turns us down at a huge number, where does that money pivot to?

Women?s Volleyball! We need to upgrade to 10?s across the court.😎😎

[BeardoMSU]

If he turns us down at a huge number, where does that money pivot to?

The lounge folks who hiss at fans that stop to watch the game in near proximity to their spots and the "bus driver"....welcome to Hell, Todd***

[Coach34]

We dropped a BAG just for the visit.

The Coach O philosophy. I'm fine with it. It's the only way to get a chance

[Cowbeller]

Loadholt haters are suddenly silent now

[Brobi-wan]

Loadholt haters are suddenly silent now

He hasn’t signed him yet

[Coach34]

Loadholt haters are suddenly silent now

We've upgraded talent on the OL. Need 1 more OT. Been a good portal class

[Maroon Glasses]

Loadholt haters are suddenly silent now

Money got them here. Not Loadholt. He still has to prove he can coach and develop in my eyes. His past 2 O Lines have been some of the worst in the country.

I hope he has the best O Line this year. I want him to succeed as long as he is here.

[Tater]

Others spend over $2MM on QBs, we double that for our LT. this is a complete team effort. Selmon is heavily involved in trying to close this deal as well.

All of those who just whine on here (Tater, MS 7) start stepping up and going all in like everyone else has been.

I said prove me wrong. This would prove me wrong and get me excited. I'm an optimist and that's been noted but I'm not toxically optimistic and just undercutting Rosebowl's gig by passing his info off as if I'm some insider. If you think I'm a whiner because I tell one guy to stop being a ****in jackass then so be it. I'm gonna talk myself into 10+ wins by september regardless.

[Coach34]

Money got them here. Not Loadholt. .

Bullshit. He is getting money on every visit. The ONLY reason we got a visit was because of Loadholt. Our fans are ****ing dumb

[StarkVegasSteve]

Bullshit. He is getting money on every visit. The ONLY reason we got a visit was because of Loadholt. Our fans are ****ing dumb

Loadholt got our foot in the door. But we still paid a pretty penny to get him here.

[Coach34]

Loadholt got our foot in the door. But we still paid a pretty penny to get him here.

Absolutely- but he has shown respect to Loadholt for this to happen. Everybody wants this guy- so we arent getting him. But Loadholt got him to visit- so thats a big deal. It's usually extremely hard for us to get top recruits to even visit. Give Loadholt some ****ing credit

[DEDawg]

If he turns us down at a huge number, where does that money pivot to?
Hopefully Princewill. Hit then where it hurts

[StarkVegasSteve]

Absolutely- but he has shown respect to Loadholt for this to happen. Everybody wants this guy- so we arent getting him. But Loadholt got him to visit- so thats a big deal. It's usually extremely hard for us to get top recruits to even visit. Give Loadholt some ****ing credit

I would not be so sure. Texas has bowed out of this. LSU is definitely a threat as is Miami but it feel like Kiffin is focused on getting all of OM’s players and Miami has quite a big game to focus on. Our entire staff focus, at least offensive staff, is on Seaton.

[Coach34]

I would not be so sure. Texas has bowed out of this. LSU is definitely a threat as is Miami but it feel like Kiffin is focused on getting all of OM’s players and Miami has quite a big game to focus on. Our entire staff focus, at least offensive staff, is on Seaton.

You dont think ACC/BigTen/Big12 teams dont know who this muh****ah is? Seriously?

[Tater]

You dont think ACC/BigTen/Big12 teams dont know who this muh****ah is? Seriously?

I think we've outbid it to where it's a question of does he want money or a championship opportunity / thinks somewhere else gets him to be a top 5 draft pick.

We've apparently truly offered a stupid amount. As in way more than is reasonable. It's almost so much that it's actually a net negative; except for us the perception win and intangibles outweigh it back into being worth it.

He's not worth 4 mil to any other school but us.

[BlackSailsDawg]

If the number I heard is true and what we are willing to go, we will not be outbid.

......

https://www.elitedawgs.com/showthread.php?104546-I-heard-we-were-going-to-go-after-Jordan-Seaton-the-1-OT-in-the-country&p=1693910&viewfull=1#post1693910

https://www.elitedawgs.com/showthread.php?104081-Football-Transfer-Portal-Thread&p=1693912&viewfull=1#post1693912

[BlackSailsDawg]

Money got them here. Not Loadholt. He still has to prove he can coach and develop in my eyes. His past 2 O Lines have been some of the worst in the country.

I hope he has the best O Line this year. I want him to succeed as long as he is here.

Loadholt has only been here 1 season. The guy that's visiting is a product of Loadholt.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Absolutely- but he has shown respect to Loadholt for this to happen. Everybody wants this guy- so we arent getting him. But Loadholt got him to visit- so thats a big deal. It's usually extremely hard for us to get top recruits to even visit. Give Loadholt some ****ing credit

Amen.

Let's have CHURCH!!!

[DownwardDawg]

I'm not sure what I would do if we signed this guy. I know it's too good to be true, but it's fun to think about what our O would look like!!!

[Brobi-wan]

I'm not sure what I would do if we signed this guy. I know it's too good to be true, but it's fun to think about what our O would look like!!!
With our luck, we will sign him and have him injured by game 3

[BlackSailsDawg]

I'm not sure what I would do if we signed this guy. I know it's too good to be true, but it's fun to think about what our O would look like!!!

Mason Barton is coming in too unless he picks Tx on his visit there. Only allowed 2 sacks in 2025. Played 670+ snaps Full-time left tackle starter. 6'6 about 320. Will visit State.

[Bdawg]

I'm not sure what I would do if we signed this guy. I know it's too good to be true, but it's fun to think about what our O would look like!!!

Is he really that good of a player or “best in the portal”? Honest question. And yes I would be ecstatic if we signed him.

[Tater]

Is he really that good of a player or “best in the portal”? Honest question. And yes I would be ecstatic if we signed him.

He's best in portal. 1st-2nd round talent. He's leaps and bounds better than any guy we have on OL now which isn't saying much but would ultimately improve a lot of things. About as good as the average Alabama OL.

The worth the price tag piece is for perception, fan engagement, and that having a competent OL is massive to our success. On a scale of 0-99 and 99 being Charles Cross with 0 being Jimothy Lewis, he's about an 88-89 imo. Around Derek Sherrod territory.

[DownwardDawg]

He's best in portal. 1st-2nd round talent. He's leaps and bounds better than any guy we have on OL now which isn't saying much but would ultimately improve a lot of things. About as good as the average Alabama OL.

The worth the price tag piece is for perception, fan engagement, and that having a competent OL is massive to our success. On a scale of 0-99 and 99 being Charles Cross with 0 being Jimothy Lewis, he's about an 88-89 imo. Around Derek Sherrod territory.
Excellent answer. We scored 30 ppg with an absolute trash O line. If our o line is just "good", we could be scary.

[Maroon Glasses]

Bullshit. He is getting money on every visit. The ONLY reason we got a visit was because of Loadholt. Our fans are ****ing dumb

You can do the name calling all you want if it makes you feel smarter. That's fine by me.

He came because we paid him. He wasn't coming to shake hands with Loadholt and talk about the good ol' days without the money. Money got him here. No visit without the money.. doesn't matter who the coach is. If you told any of us to hop on a plane to go do a meet and greet for a measly 100k then it's a no brainer done deal. We would hit every university we could in the time frame we had. It's free money. You'd be an idiot not to visit. So agree to disagree.

[Maroon Glasses]

Loadholt has only been here 1 season. The guy that's visiting is a product of Loadholt.

I know he has been here for one year. Im referring to his previous season at Colorado also. His past 2 years have been rough. I'm hoping this year will be a much better year for him.

[Bdawg]

He's best in portal. 1st-2nd round talent. He's leaps and bounds better than any guy we have on OL now which isn't saying much but would ultimately improve a lot of things. About as good as the average Alabama OL.

The worth the price tag piece is for perception, fan engagement, and that having a competent OL is massive to our success. On a scale of 0-99 and 99 being Charles Cross with 0 being Jimothy Lewis, he's about an 88-89 imo. Around Derek Sherrod territory.

Good analysis. You just never know what “best in the portal” may equate to being. This may be that time where we’ve said we will have to overpay to get a top guy. It’s a good position to overpay for imo.

[Maroon Glasses]

Mason Barton is coming in too unless he picks Tx on his visit there. Only allowed 2 sacks in 2025. Played 670+ snaps Full-time left tackle starter. 6'6 about 320. Will visit State.

This would be a huge pick up too. I dont know what he's asking but this would probably be the smart route to take. I'd be happy with either one. But bang for your buck.. probably Barton.

[Todd4State]

I know he has been here for one year. Im referring to his previous season at Colorado also. His past 2 years have been rough. I'm hoping this year will be a much better year for him.

Really good players can make a bad coach look good. Personally, I don't all of the problems on the OL are completely on Loadholt. I can think of times our offensive linemen completely whiffed on guys directly in front of them just literally ran by them. That's a talent issue to me.

Steen and at times Reese getting hurt messed up the line too. We had guys playing out of position and things like that and when you do that we had guys moving all around and that leads to communication issues.

[StarkVegasSteve]

You dont think ACC/BigTen/Big12 teams dont know who this muh****ah is? Seriously?

I think we are at a point in the portal process where a lot of teams have signed LTs and have guaranteed money out to a lot of guys. Can they raise more? Absolutely. Do they want to roll the dice on having a chance to get him only to miss him and piss off the LT that they have signed? I do not believe so.

You can hate it all you want because I know it destroys your we cannot compete in this era argument, but this is damn real. We will go however high we need to go. I would have never thought we would get him. Credit to Loadholt and Lebby for getting it to this point. They also kept it quiet til he was on campus.

[Coach34]

You can do the name calling all you want if it makes you feel smarter. That's fine by me.

He came because we paid him. He wasn't coming to shake hands with Loadholt and talk about the good ol' days without the money. Money got him here. No visit without the money.. doesn't matter who the coach is. If you told any of us to hop on a plane to go do a meet and greet for a measly 100k then it's a no brainer done deal. We would hit every university we could in the time frame we had. It's free money. You'd be an idiot not to visit. So agree to disagree.

Because our fans get a narrative in their heads and spread it around far and wide trying to make it truth- much like our country's media does today. This guy is getting paid on every visit he takes. Every. Single. One. We got a visit because of Loadholt and their relationship. It's that simple. No Loadholt- no visit. He would just get paid on his visit to whatever the next team is. Boston College would pay him to visit- I bet he doesnt go there. Purdue will pay him to visit- I bet he doesnt go there either. Loadholt wouldnt be here if Lebby didnt think he was an asset. Lebby coaches offense. He has watched every offensive play we ran this year probably 20 times. He knows what the problems were on the OL. If he thought Loadholt was the problem- we would have a new OL coach.

[Maroon Glasses]

Really good players can make a bad coach look good. Personally, I don't all of the problems on the OL are completely on Loadholt. I can think of times our offensive linemen completely whiffed on guys directly in front of them just literally ran by them. That's a talent issue to me.

Steen and at times Reese getting hurt messed up the line too. We had guys playing out of position and things like that and when you do that we had guys moving all around and that leads to communication issues.

I 100% agree. That's why I haven't called for him to be fired. I actually haven't called for anyone to be fired.. just not me. I agree on the talent issue. I expect us to be much improved on the O Line. If we aren't then I would definitely question Loadholts ability then. I'm not sure on the talent he had at Colorado.. I know they had a couple great skill players that year but not sure on O Line.

[Maroon Glasses]

Because our fans get a narrative in their heads and spread it around far and wide trying to make it truth- much like our country's media does today. This guy is getting paid on every visit he takes. Every. Single. One. We got a visit because of Loadholt and their relationship. It's that simple. No Loadholt- no visit. He would just get paid on his visit to whatever the next team is. Boston College would pay him to visit- I bet he doesnt go there. Purdue will pay him to visit- I bet he doesnt go there either. Loadholt wouldnt be here if Lebby didnt think he was an asset. Lebby coaches offense. He has watched every offensive play we ran this year probably 20 times. He knows what the problems were on the OL. If he thought Loadholt was the problem- we would have a new OL coach.

It's been said we have to drop a bag to get him to visit. Upwards of 100k. That tells me right there he wasn't visiting for the normal price of whatever it takes to get someone to visit. If BC or Purdue dropped that kind of money he would visit there too. If he didn't then he isn't very smart because that is a free 6 figure check just to go please the masses and get your name all over the internet. I never said Loadholt was a problem. I'm glad the kid came for a visit. Super stoked about it. We get a little positive publicity. But we had to up the price just for a visit. As you always say.... money money money.

[Pinto]

You are either a troll or have no clue how recruiting works. You certainly don?t know the cost of recruiting these days.

One recruit, that to me isn?t D1 quality, got payed by four schools to commit publicly. 2 of the schools even knew he wasn?t going to sign with them. The schools just wanted to make a pop on the recruiting scene for a bit. Just FYI he?s not a State signee.

The game has changed and it is a big time change.



It's been said we have to drop a bag to get him to visit. Upwards of 100k. That tells me right there he wasn't visiting for the normal price of whatever it takes to get someone to visit. If BC or Purdue dropped that kind of money he would visit there too. If he didn't then he isn't very smart because that is a free 6 figure check just to go please the masses and get your name all over the internet. I never said Loadholt was a problem. I'm glad the kid came for a visit. Super stoked about it. We get a little positive publicity. But we had to up the price just for a visit. As you always say.... money money money.

[StarkVegasSteve]

It's been said we have to drop a bag to get him to visit. Upwards of 100k. That tells me right there he wasn't visiting for the normal price of whatever it takes to get someone to visit. If BC or Purdue dropped that kind of money he would visit there too. If he didn't then he isn't very smart because that is a free 6 figure check just to go please the masses and get your name all over the internet. I never said Loadholt was a problem. I'm glad the kid came for a visit. Super stoked about it. We get a little positive publicity. But we had to up the price just for a visit. As you always say.... money money money.

Umm......do you know how recruiting works now? If you don't pay they don't visit, especially these big time recruits like Seaton. Texas, LSU, and Miami are paying the same price as us.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Also going to go ahead and get out ahead of this:

With these big time recruits like Seaton, they are going to take all their visits. You can offer them 10 million dollars to not take them and they'll still take them because they know you're not going to move on if they still take their visits. This is the reality of the waters we're swimming in. This isn't recruiting a guy like Tyler Miller. I'm not trying to down Miller because he's a good player and we need him, but we paid him a little extra to not visit Ole Miss. Seaton knows the offers he has waiting in those other places and knows the offer he has from us.

[DEDawg]

Also going to go ahead and get out ahead of this:

With these big time recruits like Seaton, they are going to take all their visits. You can offer them 10 million dollars to not take them and they'll still take them because they know you're not going to move on if they still take their visits. This is the reality of the waters we're swimming in. This isn't recruiting a guy like Tyler Miller. I'm not trying to down Miller because he's a good player and we need him, but we paid him a little extra to not visit Ole Miss. Seaton knows the offers he has waiting in those other places and knows the offer he has from us.
If Seaton goes to Miami does that basically lock up Bell for us?

[StarkVegasSteve]

If Seaton goes to Miami does that basically lock up Bell for us?

Bell would have to get an extra year of eligibility, IF HE DOESN'T GO PRO.

[Cowbeller]

My defense of Loadholt has always been give him a full offseason and then judge our production. He has done exactly as expected and given us a solid OL on paper. Now the fun part comes when you see what he does with actual D1 talent.

[BlackSailsDawg]

If Seaton goes to Miami does that basically lock up Bell for us?

We will get Mason Barton then. He is expected to be an NFL guy.

[Lord McBuckethead]

That is a fair comment.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Loadholt definitely deserves another year. That mess was not on him. Kennedy and especially Friend were awful hires

[DownwardDawg]

Because our fans get a narrative in their heads and spread it around far and wide trying to make it truth- much like our country's media does today. This guy is getting paid on every visit he takes. Every. Single. One. We got a visit because of Loadholt and their relationship. It's that simple. No Loadholt- no visit. He would just get paid on his visit to whatever the next team is. Boston College would pay him to visit- I bet he doesnt go there. Purdue will pay him to visit- I bet he doesnt go there either. Loadholt wouldnt be here if Lebby didnt think he was an asset. Lebby coaches offense. He has watched every offensive play we ran this year probably 20 times. He knows what the problems were on the OL. If he thought Loadholt was the problem- we would have a new OL coach.

I agree. I haven't been a fan of Loadholt at all but it's pretty obvious he's a huge factor in getting that visit. Also, I'll start yelling up and down the halls at work how our coaching staff better than anything Kiffin ever had if we start winning!! Our fanbase is terrible at painting a positive narrative, even if it's not facts.

[Tater]

Because our fans get a narrative in their heads and spread it around far and wide trying to make it truth- much like our country's media does today. This guy is getting paid on every visit he takes. Every. Single. One. We got a visit because of Loadholt and their relationship. It's that simple. No Loadholt- no visit. He would just get paid on his visit to whatever the next team is. Boston College would pay him to visit- I bet he doesnt go there. Purdue will pay him to visit- I bet he doesnt go there either. Loadholt wouldnt be here if Lebby didnt think he was an asset. Lebby coaches offense. He has watched every offensive play we ran this year probably 20 times. He knows what the problems were on the OL. If he thought Loadholt was the problem- we would have a new OL coach.

This is where I'll say Mike Leach's book makes a great point about assuming D1 Coaches being smart just because they're hired to a higher level than guys at lower levels. It's an assumption that Lebby is smart enough to make an informed decision here. But at the end of the day it is an assumption.

[Maroon Glasses]

Umm......do you know how recruiting works now? If you don't pay they don't visit, especially these big time recruits like Seaton. Texas, LSU, and Miami are paying the same price as us.

Maybe I worded something wrong or it got taken out of context but yes I fully understand you have to pay recruits for visits. I understand that price varies depending on who that recruit is.

[Coach34]

Umm......do you know how recruiting works now? If you don't pay they don't visit, especially these big time recruits like Seaton. Texas, LSU, and Miami are paying the same price as us.

teams are spending 35-40MM in NIL and the guy thinks 100K is big money. Hilarious

[BuckyIsAB****]

Because our fans get a narrative in their heads and spread it around far and wide trying to make it truth- much like our country's media does today. This guy is getting paid on every visit he takes. Every. Single. One. We got a visit because of Loadholt and their relationship. It's that simple. No Loadholt- no visit. He would just get paid on his visit to whatever the next team is. Boston College would pay him to visit- I bet he doesnt go there. Purdue will pay him to visit- I bet he doesnt go there either. Loadholt wouldnt be here if Lebby didnt think he was an asset. Lebby coaches offense. He has watched every offensive play we ran this year probably 20 times. He knows what the problems were on the OL. If he thought Loadholt was the problem- we would have a new OL coach.

And hire who? Another coach that no one has thought twice about wanting? Cause that?s what we got. They might call me or you next

[Coach34]

This is where I'll say Mike Leach's book makes a great point about assuming D1 Coaches being smart just because they're hired to a higher level than guys at lower levels. It's an assumption that Lebby is smart enough to make an informed decision here. But at the end of the day it is an assumption.

But there are different types of smart. Would I want Coach O to do my taxes? Hayyyyyyyle no. Would I love for him to coach DL???? absolutely. You can tell alot on the head coaches just listening to them speak. How they articulate when answering questions. Kirby Smart has a high football IQ but he isnt going to be reading things like Reagan's Secret War

Coaches like that money and prestige of being HC. They just arent going to keep an albatross around.

[BlackSailsDawg]

And hire who? Another coach that no one has thought twice about wanting? Cause that?s what we got. They might call me or you next

going on 730 days of melting

[FISHDAWG]

going on 730 days of melting

I just had to lol on that one

[TrapGame]

The word around the college insiders is State has become the front runner for Seaton.

Bring him home Lebby!

[Coach34]

We may be able to pull it off. Texas dropping out after getting the WF guy certainly helped. Miami still gonna be a problem tho

[HancockCountyDog]

We may be able to pull it off. Texas dropping out after getting the WF guy certainly helped. Miami still gonna be a problem tho

Is Oregon out? This would be huge.

[StarkVegasSteve]

The word around the college insiders is State has become the front runner for Seaton.

Bring him home Lebby!

We're going to have to survive the trip to Miami.

[Maroon Glasses]

teams are spending 35-40MM in NIL and the guy thinks 100K is big money. Hilarious

Show me where I said 100k was big money for NIL. I said 100k was said to be paid for a visit. There is a difference between a paid visit and a paid NIL deal, obviously. You're a coach so that means you have probably teached in some capacity. Hopefully it wasn't in reading comprehension or those kids really got set up for failure. Hilarious.

I'm not gonna do the whole computer screen arguments. You're correct in everything you said. I was wrong in everything I said. There ya go. I'm moving along to hoping we get the kid signed.

[BuckyIsAB****]

going on 730 days of melting

Lebby has 1 SEC win in about that many

[Tater]

I just had to lol on that one

He left out - justified melting.

Baggage

2-10
5-8

1 sec win over 2-10 Arkansas.
15 sec losses.

I'm angry because I want a REAL reason to be hopeful. KT looks promising but it means nothing without experienced OL. This would be the first real thing that we did this offseason that gives me hope. The defense is a question mark because Arnett's D worked when we had a ball control offense. How it meshes with a quick strike offense remains to be seen (aka will we wilt in 2nd halves).

I'm an optimist but I don't see how anyone can sunshine pump so gleefully right now. If we land Seaton then I'm back aboard. But I won't be as toxic as that dude.

If we strike out on Seaton or getting a LT with any experience, I'm not sure how we can go into this year excited. I feel like I'm gonna drive 4 hours to Minneapolis and then be extremely ****ing frustrated.

[DEDawg]

He left out - justified melting.

Baggage

2-10
5-8

1 sec win over 2-10 Arkansas.
15 sec losses.

I'm angry because I want a REAL reason to be hopeful. KT looks promising but it means nothing without experienced OL. This would be the first real thing that we did this offseason that gives me hope. The defense is a question mark because Arnett's D worked when we had a ball control offense. How it meshes with a quick strike offense remains to be seen (aka will we wilt in 2nd halves).

I'm an optimist but I don't see how anyone can sunshine pump so gleefully right now. If we land Seaton then I'm back aboard. But I won't be as toxic as that dude.

If we strike out on Seaton or getting a LT with any experience, I'm not sure how we can go into this year excited. I feel like I'm gonna drive 4 hours to Minneapolis and then be extremely ****ing frustrated.
If you want to be angry it should be this order 1) Keenum 2) Cohen 3) Arnett defensive recruiting 4) Lebby

[Tater]

If you want to be angry it should be this order 1) Keenum 2) Cohen 3) Arnett defensive recruiting 4) Lebby

Who cares about pointing the finger at folks. It falls on Lebby. And if Lebby goes then the others need to go too. Cannot squander the anger spending from the fanbase rn.

[Todd4State]

If you want to be angry it should be this order 1) Keenum 2) Cohen 3) Arnett defensive recruiting 4) Lebby

Replace Keenum with boosters.

That said, we're on the way back now.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Most of you all know I wanted Cignetti as our coach along time ago. I think people thought I was giving the home city bias because we are both from Pittsburgh, but I will say I think Lebby has the potential to be a good coach if he gets the right players. Definitely want to see how we do defensively with Arnett and some more talent. We got to give this staff and team another year to see the improvement.

[Todd4State]

Most of you all know I wanted Cignetti as our coach along time ago. I think people thought I was giving the home city bias because we are both from Pittsburgh, but I will say I think Lebby has the potential to be a good coach if he gets the right players. Definitely want to see how we do defensively with Arnett and some more talent. We got to give this staff and team another year to see the improvement.

It comes down to players and Lebby hasn't had enough of them to win.

[CaptainObvious]

Most of you all know I wanted Cignetti as our coach along time ago. I think people thought I was giving the home city bias because we are both from Pittsburgh, but I will say I think Lebby has the potential to be a good coach if he gets the right players. Definitely want to see how we do defensively with Arnett and some more talent. We got to give this staff and team another year to see the improvement.

ULM
Minnesota
South Carolina
Missouri
Alabama
LSU
Oklahoma
Texas
Vanderbilt
Auburn
Tenn Tech
Ole Miss

Looks like no better than a 2-7 or at best 3-6 start. I would say Lebby probably will not make to end of next season if that start happens.

[msstate7]

ULM
Minnesota
South Carolina
Missouri
Alabama
LSU
Oklahoma
Texas
Vanderbilt
Auburn
Tenn Tech
Ole Miss

Looks like no better than a 2-7 or at best 3-6 start. I would say Lebby probably will not make to end of next season if that start happens.

Damn. We'll know quickly... if we lose to Minnesota, Lebby is done

[BeardoMSU]

Replace Keenum with boosters.

That said, we're on the way back now.

Tbh, Keenum should be the president of MGCCC in Gautier. NOT Mississippi State...

[Coursesuper]

If you want to be angry it should be this order 1) Keenum 2) Cohen 3) Arnett defensive recruiting 4) Lebby

We always miss the point. Boosters are way more responsible for what went down and is going down now than anyone else. They put all those people in place.

[Coursesuper]

Who cares about pointing the finger at folks. It falls on Lebby. And if Lebby goes then the others need to go too. Cannot squander the anger spending from the fanbase rn.

This is an incredibly short sighted point of view.

[DownwardDawg]

ULM
Minnesota
South Carolina
Missouri
Alabama
LSU
Oklahoma
Texas
Vanderbilt
Auburn
Tenn Tech
Ole Miss

Looks like no better than a 2-7 or at best 3-6 start. I would say Lebby probably will not make to end of next season if that start happens.

Except these days there is Zero way to predict the win loss record for any team. I tend to agree on your prediction, but we could go 9-3 because half those teams could suck!!!

[Maroon Glasses]

100%. The real shot callers.

Edited to say this is toward CourseSuper referencing the boosters. Thought I quoted him.

[TrapGame]

Damn. We'll know quickly... if we lose to Minnesota, Lebby is done

I like Lebby and support him but if we lose to Minnesota he needs to be thrown into Lake Minnetonka. That needs to be a statement game.

[DEDawg]

Replace Keenum with boosters.

That said, we're on the way back now.

Big issue after Leach death, yes, but I still put the blame on Keenum. When you're the freaking PRESIDENT of the entire university you need to have the brass balls to make the hard decisions. Imagine if we took our lump in 2023 (which ended up being a terrible season anyway) instead of putting the rebuild off an entire year.

[Quaoarsking]

ULM
Minnesota
South Carolina
Missouri
Alabama
LSU
Oklahoma
Texas
Vanderbilt
Auburn
Tenn Tech
Ole Miss

Looks like no better than a 2-7 or at best 3-6 start. I would say Lebby probably will not make to end of next season if that start happens.

We've got to start 3-1 at a minimum (and really need to be 4-0) if we want any real shot at a winning record.

Granted, you never know in the portal/NIL era, but in all likelihood games 5 through 8 are losses, while games 9 through 11 seem like opportunities to pick up a win. But you know Vanderbilt and Auburn fans are counting us as a win. (And Missouri, South Carolina, and Minnesota fans probably are too.)

Right now, I think we probably pick up an early road win to get excited, play Missouri hard but lose close, don't get totally embarrassed in October, finish 4-8 or 5-7, and have all of the same arguments all over again ("we're improved!" and "we didn't pay for good enough talent!" and "the schedule was hard!" vs. "Now he's 4-24 against p4 teams!").

[Coach34]

Damn. We'll know quickly... if we lose to Minnesota, Lebby is done

His recruiting all these young guys- while talented- they are still young tells me he is being led to believe he has at least 2 more seasons.

If you believe your job is on the line- you go with the best game ready vets you can find

[Cowbell]

His recruiting all these young guys- while talented- they are still young tells me he is being led to believe he has at least 2 more seasons.

If you believe your job is on the line- you go with the best game ready vets you can find
That's what he should be doing regardless. We are paying year to year at this point.

[SPMT]

His recruiting all these young guys- while talented- they are still young tells me he is being led to believe he has at least 2 more seasons.

If you believe your job is on the line- you go with the best game ready vets you can find

If he repeats this year for next year?..the apathy will be at an all time low for the last 30 years. Worse than Croom levels because we aren?t on probation and there is a faster solution if you can take advantage through the portal.

[Tater]

His recruiting all these young guys- while talented- they are still young tells me he is being led to believe he has at least 2 more seasons.

If you believe your job is on the line- you go with the best game ready vets you can find

Yea - and folks wonder why I'm suddenly one of the angriest on the board.

[Coach34]

If he repeats this year for next year?..the apathy will be at an all time low for the last 30 years. Worse than Croom levels because we aren?t on probation and there is a faster solution if you can take advantage through the portal.

Thats laughable. Croom hit 1960 level lows. You couldnt give away tickets in 2005

[SPMT]

Thats laughable. Croom hit 1960 level lows. You couldnt give away tickets in 2005

You cant now. You won?t be able to if this year is repeated and he is retained.

[SmokeyDawg]

You cant now. You won?t be able to if this year is repeated and he is retained.

Disagree, we were on the downswing at that point. It might be slow improvement, but we're on an upswing to where we were 3 years ago. There's hope in some young talent and flashes with a young head coach. We need to improve no doubt, but to act like we're at an all time low is crazy.
It looks like we're raising our floor with what we've brought in. We need a good LT, Edge, and OF skill player to raise our ceiling.

[NWADAWG]

*

[PGHBulldogBG]

As bad as we have been the last 3 years, it is still not Croom level bad. It wasn’t even just Croom himself but the 3 years before him were awful too. 2001-2008 was just an awful stretch of Miss State football until we hired Byrne and Mullen.

[MrCoachKlein]

You cant now. You won?t be able to if this year is repeated and he is retained.

I'll take em.

[BlackSailsDawg]

His recruiting all these young guys- while talented- they are still young tells me he is being led to believe he has at least 2 more seasons.

If you believe your job is on the line- you go with the best game ready vets you can find


He's straddling the 2 theories. He knows he needs experience and is bringing some in(looking at more). But he also knows the importance of building. It's like KT at the beginning of this season. He was not going to start but we knew he would be our guy. These talented young people are starters for 2027 and rotation this year. It will be the first year at an opportunity to be really deep.

[Rawdawg]

He?s not straddling any theories, he?s improving the roster at every available scholarship regardless of eligibility. This is why we?ve had 50+ new players for consecutive years, because we?ve got to elevate the bottom of the roster while at the same time making investments into immediate difference makers. Essentially he?s signing 4 classes in 2 years because of how bad of shape the roster was.

[BlackSailsDawg]

He?s not straddling any theories, he?s improving the roster at every available scholarship regardless of eligibility. This is why we?ve had 50+ new players for consecutive years, because we?ve got to elevate the bottom of the roster while at the same time making investments into immediate difference makers. Essentially he?s signing 4 classes in 2 years because of how bad of shape the roster was.

Ok.

[Tater]

He?s not straddling any theories, he?s improving the roster at every available scholarship regardless of eligibility. This is why we?ve had 50+ new players for consecutive years, because we?ve got to elevate the bottom of the roster while at the same time making investments into immediate difference makers. Essentially he?s signing 4 classes in 2 years because of how bad of shape the roster was.

What improvement on the OL have we made definitively? We go from Cannon Boone, Albert Reese half the season, and unproven guys to.... Cannon Boone and unproven guys.

There's a reason my opinion relies on getting Seaton or another LT with good PRODUCTION.

[Really Clark?]

What improvement on the OL have we made definitively? We go from Cannon Boone, Albert Reese half the season, and unproven guys to.... Cannon Boone and unproven guys.

There's a reason my opinion relies on getting Seaton or another LT with good PRODUCTION.

Chester is not unproven as an SEC starter. McVey has played a lot of snaps in the ACC, at worst he's a very solid back up and helps depth.

[Rawdawg]

What improvement on the OL have we made definitively? We go from Cannon Boone, Albert Reese half the season, and unproven guys to.... Cannon Boone and unproven guys.

There's a reason my opinion relies on getting Seaton or another LT with good PRODUCTION.

We have definitively improved our depth with power 4 players. We signed flyers after spring practice last year because of the shape of the o line. If you get Seaton, you get to point to an instant impact NFL player. If not you at minimum raised the level of talent in the room.

[BlackSailsDawg]

We have definitively improved our depth with power 4 players. We signed flyers after spring practice last year because of the shape of the o line. If you get Seaton, you get to point to an instant impact NFL player. If not you at minimum raised the level of talent in the room.

Mason Barton is an NFL talent too. So either one should be an improvement?

[maroonmania]

His recruiting all these young guys- while talented- they are still young tells me he is being led to believe he has at least 2 more seasons.

If you believe your job is on the line- you go with the best game ready vets you can find

Yea, bringing in a bunch of guys that need a year to develop is quite risky these days given they can all hit the portal again next year if they so choose.

[Todd4State]

Yea, bringing in a bunch of guys that need a year to develop is quite risky these days given they can all hit the portal again next year if they so choose.

Some of them are Mississippi kids who honestly should have gone to MSU to start with.

[BigDawg81]

Seaton still at Miami visting or at LSU now?

[Coach34]

We have definitively improved our depth with power 4 players. We signed flyers after spring practice last year because of the shape of the o line. If you get Seaton, you get to point to an instant impact NFL player. If not you at minimum raised the level of talent in the room.

Correctamundo

[Coach34]

You cant now. You won?t be able to if this year is repeated and he is retained.

That's crazy- we damn near got to 6-6 and also played in a bowl game. Lots of improvement and optimism. And as Rawdawg noted- he's had to totally rebuild the roster in two recruiting classes.

I went to one game during the Croom years in Starkville. Nobody wanted to watch that pitiful shit. At least this year's team scored 30 PPG. Thats 2 seasons in Croom years

[Tater]

Chester is not unproven as an SEC starter. McVey has played a lot of snaps in the ACC, at worst he's a very solid back up and helps depth.

Chester started at Center his freshman year and we return Boone. Center and Guard are much different responsibilities and this coaching staff doesn't inspire confidence that they can coach a guy to swap positions well. Not giving them the benefit of the doubt here.

[Tater]

That's crazy- we damn near got to 6-6 and also played in a bowl game. Lots of improvement and optimism. And as Rawdawg noted- he's had to totally rebuild the roster in two recruiting classes.

I went to one game during the Croom years in Starkville. Nobody wanted to watch that pitiful shit. At least this year's team scored 30 PPG. Thats 2 seasons in Croom years

I think the problem is people look at this as black and white whether or not he's the right man for the job. "He's doing X, Y, Z and that's what had to be done and how can yall dare want to fire him?" vs. "He's not doing A, B, C and keeps not doing them and if you can't see that if he won't fix those then you're naive."

He's got things he's doing. Things that had to be done that were what he signed up for. He also has things that he's not doing that he has to do. We have to compete every year and enter the season with at least hope we can break right and make the playoffs. The two mulligans are over. Nut up or shut up year - so take the next step.

Turning over the roster twice is fine. This is the third time and each has improved mildly - but there needs to be the obvious leap into turning us into a contender.

[Really Clark?]

Chester started at Center his freshman year and we return Boone. Center and Guard are much different responsibilities and this coaching staff doesn't inspire confidence that they can coach a guy to swap positions well. Not giving them the benefit of the doubt here.

Oh I totally disagree, Chester can definitely play guard.

[Tater]

Oh I totally disagree, Chester can definitely play guard.

Here's hoping you're right. Like I said I'd love Seaton because I trust him to play LT. There's also the Brandon Sneh who would be good to battle for RT spot. If we got both of those that changes the delta a lot because then you're teaching two guys to start guard rather than 4 guys to be guards / tackles as starters. Not saying Sneh would perfectly translate but it's something to be said about starting at his age. I'm recruiting those 2 guys hard because having them takes our offensive basement from disaster / relying on QB runs only to good and potential for balance. Ceiling can then be best in SEC if things break right. But gotta get jimmies and joes.

[Tripp McNeely]

Here's hoping you're right. Like I said I'd love Seaton because I trust him to play LT. There's also the Brandon Sneh who would be good to battle for RT spot. If we got both of those that changes the delta a lot because then you're teaching two guys to start guard rather than 4 guys to be guards / tackles as starters. Not saying Sneh would perfectly translate but it's something to be said about starting at his age. I'm recruiting those 2 guys hard because having them takes our offensive basement from disaster / relying on QB runs only to good and potential for balance. Ceiling can then be best in SEC if things break right. But gotta get jimmies and joes.

Apparently Sneh is like 6'2. Are you talking about the kid from Jackson State?

[Tater]

Apparently Sneh is like 6'2. Are you talking about the kid from Jackson State?

Maybe. Brain is fuzzy on which G5/FCS starter we were looking that had production at OT.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Chester started at Center his freshman year and we return Boone. Center and Guard are much different responsibilities and this coaching staff doesn't inspire confidence that they can coach a guy to swap positions well. Not giving them the benefit of the doubt here.

Chester has also played at LT. He played over 900 snaps in 2024. Roughly 300 in 2025 with a coaching staff that was fired. He will be fine.

[Coach34]

Seaton headed to LSU next. Only time we have ever pulled a player over those 2 is when it was a player from Mississippi. I dont like the odds

[Dawgface]

If he can get similar money from a blue blood it’s hard seeing him signing with us. Not unless our final offer is way more as some suggest.

[DownwardDawg]

Seaton headed to LSU next. Only time we have ever pulled a player over those 2 is when it was a player from Mississippi. I dont like the odds

Oh yeah. There's no chance we're getting him. But it was cool for a minute to be mentioned. That's what we need to keep doing to help the program image.

[TrapGame]

Just getting him on campus and making some national college football news was worth it.

[AlSwearengen]

Can we get the LT from Jackson State?

[DownwardDawg]

Just getting him on campus and making some national college football news was worth it.

Agreed. We need more of this. Perception is a real thing.

[Todd4State]

Agreed. We need more of this. Perception is a real thing.

Absolutely. Right now Seaton is the biggest portal prospect in the country. And every time he is mentioned Mississippi State is mentioned too.

[ArrowDawg]

Absolutely. Right now Seaton is the biggest portal prospect in the country. And every time he is mentioned Mississippi State is mentioned too.

I don't buy into this "perception" crap meaning anything just because a guy visits us. It might have meant something in the pre-NIL/portal days, but I don't believe it matters one bit now. You either sign the big fish, or you don't, and then you win or don't.

[msudawg1200]

I don't buy into this "perception" crap meaning anything just because a guy visits us. It might have meant something in the pre-NIL/portal days, but I don't believe it matters one bit now. You either sign the big fish, or you don't, and then you win or don't.
^This.

[AlSwearengen]

Don?t downplay the perception angle. When it won?t matter is if we never take the next step and start signing some of the better players. The next step is to win some games next season and then sign a couple top players.

Give olemiss credit; they play every angle and are doing well. When they first brought lane in, they signed all offense and neglected the defense but they knew if you were going to lose it was better to lose 42-35 than 10-7. It created excitement among the fans about having an exciting offense. Offense is flashy and gets a lot more attention than a great defense. We have an exciting offense if we can just get a competent OL.

[R2Dawg]

Don?t downplay the perception angle. When it won?t matter is if we never take the next step and start signing some of the better players. The next step is to win some games next season and then sign a couple top players.

Give olemiss credit; they play every angle and are doing well. When they first brought lane in, they signed all offense and neglected the defense but they knew if you were going to lose it was better to lose 42-35 than 10-7. It created excitement among the fans about having an exciting offense. Offense is flashy and gets a lot more attention than a great defense. We have an exciting offense if we can just get a competent OL.

The perception and hype element is the difference in Olemiss and MSU. Most of what Olemiss does and MSU won't touch it. It is fake but that is why OM stays ahead of us.

Winning perception is half the battle which I think is stupid. I see it in my work/career all the time. The narrative wins not the truth.

[Todd4State]

I don't buy into this "perception" crap meaning anything just because a guy visits us. It might have meant something in the pre-NIL/portal days, but I don't believe it matters one bit now. You either sign the big fish, or you don't, and then you win or don't.

It's more than just fan and media hype. It's also about recruiting players. If you build the perception that other elite players are interested in you every now and then you'll land a few.

These players don't want to go somewhere that it is lunch pail and hard work. They want clicks and likes. Now some of our fans may say "I don't want to be like that" or "I don't want MSU to be like that" or "if it doesn't work we're going to be embarrassed" but the reality is this is what we need to do to win and get to where we want to go.

[Maroon Glasses]

It's like that guy who pulls up to the club in a Lambo and gets out with top tier clothes and high dollar watch on their wrist. You wanna know what that guy does for a living and tell all your friends around you "check out that guy."

Little do you know the Lambo is rented and the watch is a fake. But he got everyone's attention.

[Mjoelner34]

If you build the perception that other elite players are interested in you every now and then you'll land a few.

This. Right. Here.

[Bdawg]

I don't buy into this "perception" crap meaning anything just because a guy visits us. It might have meant something in the pre-NIL/portal days, but I don't believe it matters one bit now. You either sign the big fish, or you don't, and then you win or don't.

We all talk about how OM wins the PR/perception game and how we should be doing more and how we suck at it. Blah blah blah. But now we try to participate and it gets dumped on. Go figure.

Edit: apologies for singling you out because it’s your opinion. I just think we need to do everything under the sun in recruiting to attract players, whether its reality or perception.

[State82]

It's more than just fan and media hype. It's also about recruiting players. If you build the perception that other elite players are interested in you every now and then you'll land a few.


Remember the old adage. Perception is reality.

[1eyedog]

Remember the old adage. Perception is reality.

Or as my om friend famously said....."Image is EVERYTHING.."

[Todd4State]

Remember the old adage. Perception is reality.


Or as my om friend famously said....."Image is EVERYTHING.."

Exactly! Drone and light and laser shows only go so far. Winning sells like nothing else.

MSU has sold everything except for the players on the field most of the time. If we can sell that we are adding really good players and have the ability to add them and win it takes care of everything else.

[DownwardDawg]

It's more than just fan and media hype. It's also about recruiting players. If you build the perception that other elite players are interested in you every now and then you'll land a few.

These players don't want to go somewhere that it is lunch pail and hard work. They want clicks and likes. Now some of our fans may say "I don't want to be like that" or "I don't want MSU to be like that" or "if it doesn't work we're going to be embarrassed" but the reality is this is what we need to do to win and get to where we want to go.

Our fans don't understand this. They also don't understand how ole miss is recognized nationally as a much bigger program than ours. It's all perception. But you're wasting your time trying to get the older fanbase to understand this.

[KOdawg1]

OM branded themselves as a respectable program long before they became one.

Perception is 100% important, and it's something we've historically been pretty bad at.

[R2Dawg]

Our fans don't understand this. They also don't understand how ole miss is recognized nationally as a much bigger program than ours. It's all perception. But you're wasting your time trying to get the older fanbase to understand this.

I don't think old has anything to do with it. Many would say I'm old and while the perception thing is not real, it matters a lot. OM always been better than us, we need to start leveraging everything we can.

We let the 40/41 NC get away from us; OM would have never let that happen - rest is history.

[Todd4State]

I don't think old has anything to do with it. Many would say I'm old and while the perception thing is not real, it matters a lot. OM always been better than us, we need to start leveraging everything we can.

We let the 40/41 NC get away from us; OM would have never let that happen - rest is history.

There is nothing stopping MSU from claiming those. I believe Syracuse and Minnesota claim NC's one of the years that Ole Miss claims.

[Todd4State]

Our fans don't understand this. They also don't understand how ole miss is recognized nationally as a much bigger program than ours. It's all perception. But you're wasting your time trying to get the older fanbase to understand this.

MSU fans are overly conservative when it comes to football in every way, shape, or form.

[DEDawg]

There is nothing stopping MSU from claiming those. I believe Syracuse and Minnesota claim NC's one of the years that Ole Miss claims.

I have never understood why we don?t silently hang a banner. It would be cringe to make a big stink of it but we are not helping ourselves by not claiming it.

[Todd4State]

I have never understood why we don?t silently hang a banner. It would be cringe to make a big stink of it but we are not helping ourselves by not claiming it.

Honestly because we all know there will be a vocal segment of our fans that complain about it and how they are embarrassed about it.

See the Erick Dampier and Jeff Malone announcement that some MSU are complaining about because it wasn't "big enough" of an announcement. Which to me the only thing that is weird is that they are officially doing it in 2027 but that's fine.

Those same fans will celebrate the Snow Bowl though.

[Coach34]

Our fans don't understand this. They also don't understand how ole miss is recognized nationally as a much bigger program than ours.

Well actually they are. They spend $20MM more on football than we do and that doesnt include NIL which they spend more there also. They make alot more in football than we do. We are close 20 years ago but they have left us behind the last decade for sure

2024- they spent 57MM on football- we spent around 37MM

Got to stop comparing ourselves to them. They have left us behind for now

[Maroon Glasses]

Honestly because we all know there will be a vocal segment of our fans that complain about it and how they are embarrassed about it.

See the Erick Dampier and Jeff Malone announcement that some MSU are complaining about because it wasn't "big enough" of an announcement. Which to me the only thing that is weird is that they are officially doing it in 2027 but that's fine.

Those same fans will celebrate the Snow Bowl though.

I don't know why our fans got upset about the way they did the announcement. It was a special moment that deserves celebration but as usual something negative is made of something positive. This just isn't our fans tho. It's the way the world seems to be nowadays.

For example, just look at this board when we win. It's 7-10 pages. If we lose, its 25+ pages. People love to run with the negativity. I don't get it.

[Dawgology]

MSU fans are overly conservative when it comes to football in every way, shape, or form.

This. I do believe it's a small but vocal contingent, then you have the baseball crowd (lol), then you have a small contingentnt that sees the importance of PR and pushing the program into the 21st Century...and the rest don't care. They just show up for a hot dog and overpriced beer.

[Todd4State]

I don't know why our fans got upset about the way they did the announcement. It was a special moment that deserves celebration but as usual something negative is made of something positive. This just isn't our fans tho. It's the way the world seems to be nowadays.

For example, just look at this board when we win. It's 7-10 pages. If we lose, its 25+ pages. People love to run with the negativity. I don't get it.

That is mostly in the moment frustration though. Sure, some are always negative but there is a difference.

[Todd4State]

This. I do believe it's a small but vocal contingent, then you have the baseball crowd (lol), then you have a small contingentnt that sees the importance of PR and pushing the program into the 21st Century...and the rest don't care. They just show up for a hot dog and overpriced beer.

A lot of the football opinions and perception are MSU's administration's fault.

It seemed like in the past we were so worried about the NCAA putting us on probation that MSU literally chose to not focus on recruiting because we couldn't handle recruiting conventionally in football. So, MSU basically promoted short cuts- JUCO players and recruiting, Dan and his development model, Mike Leach being a coaching wizard...and all those things worked for the most part- the JUCO's have always been hit or miss. But none of it was ever really sustainable.

I actually think NIL and the portal are good things for MSU. But MSU has to believe that those are good things for MSU. Indiana has a worse football history than MSU. They're probably going to win a NC. Ole Miss is relatively similar to us. If Lane Kiffin was our coach would he have won at a similar clip? Probably so. And the only reason I think he might not have is because our schedule would have been more difficult. Texas Tech? They had to rely on Leach's wizardry at one time just like MSU. And sure, they have a billionaire but they're still in the same recruiting territory as Texas and A&M. In one offseason we have completely rebuilt our secondary and most of our DL, and our OL. And at the same time we retained all of our key players.

[Thick]

It's like that guy who pulls up to the club in a Lambo and gets out with top tier clothes and high dollar watch on their wrist. You wanna know what that guy does for a living and tell all your friends around you "check out that guy."

Little do you know the Lambo is rented and the watch is a fake. But he got everyone's attention.

I?ve always made fun of those guys?..craves attention, little dick, about as manly as a clitoris, and the last person you would want to go to war with in this world! It?s all about perception, and perception can be as much an enemy as it can be an asset. I prefer a real man?s approach?..don?t ever be a ***** regardless of the circumstances!

[BigDawg81]

Seaton canceled his dinner with LSU tonight. He is headed to Oregon.

[Coach34]

Seaton canceled his dinner with LSU tonight. He is headed to Oregon.

tomorrow is supposedly the last day to register for classes at LSU this semester

[Goldendawg]

MSU fans are overly conservative when it comes to football in every way, shape, or form.

I blame our tightwad "leaders" who have hired eight assistant coaches to be "on-the-job training" HC in my lifetime, and only Tyler and Mullen were successful. Heck, Shira had one of the worst coaching records in MSU history, and we promoted him to AD.

[StarkVegasSteve]

tomorrow is supposedly the last day to register for classes at LSU this semester

They'd figure out a way.

[KOdawg1]

The registration deadlines are flexible.

You can get in most places by February.

[Goldendawg]

The registration deadlines are flexible.

You can get in most places by February.

Tutors in athletic-only study centers all over college campuses are probably already doing classwork for him and other players in case they $ign with their school.*** Heck, "student athletes" like Beck at Miami should have work done on a PHD after his seven year college career!****

[Todd4State]

I blame our tightwad "leaders" who have hired eight assistant coaches to be "on-the-job training" HC in my lifetime, and only Tyler and Mullen were successful. Heck, Shira had one of the worst coaching records in MSU history, and we promoted him to AD.

And named a building after him too.

[Tbonewannabe]

Tutors in athletic-only study centers all over college campuses are probably already doing classwork for him and other players in case they $ign with their school.*** Heck, "student athletes" like Beck at Miami should have work done on a PHD after his seven year college career!****

Hilarious that Beck admitted in an interview that he hasn't gone to class since he graduated at UGA. He backtracked but everyone knows he doesn't go to school.

Let's just admit the truth, schools normally required half your degree come from the school. Grad students naturally met that benchmark but someone who has went to 3 schools in 3 years is not going to graduate with a 4 year degree. Smoot had to sit out the Snow Bowl due to progress towards his degree, seems that isn't a thing anymore.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Yeah, it's screwed up and not sustainable for the sport.

[Chuck3124]

Did he make the Oregon trip or is he still in BR like some are reporting?

[Coach34]

He's in BR. He is home

[Chuck3124]

He's in BR. He is home

So you?re saying LSU is going to land him when it?s all said and done?

[msstate7]

So you?re saying LSU is going to land him when it?s all said and done?
Miami still in play, right?

[Coach34]

So you?re saying LSU is going to land him when it?s all said and done?

That is my guess based on him staying in BR an extra day and blowing off Oregon. It only makes sense

[Coach34]

Miami still in play, right?

yeah but LSU is prepared to spend 60MM. Hell, they are at around 50MM now

[msstate7]

yeah but LSU is prepared to spend 60MM. Hell, they are at around 50MM now

I definitely think they're the favorite... just saying Miami will get a shot. We have no shot imo

[Bothrops]

I definitely think they're the favorite... just saying Miami will get a shot. We have no shot imo

Right now is the perfect time to reverse a little bit of history and pay him what it takes for him to say no to LSU no matter how ridiculous it could get. We need a perception victory, a shock, and middle finger to the media. Most importantly a LT that can play at this level, day one.

[msstate7]

Right now is the perfect time to reverse a little bit of history and pay him what it takes for him to say no to LSU no matter how ridiculous it could get. We need a perception victory, a shock, and middle finger to the media. Most importantly a LT that can play at this level, day one.

I agree. If he will let us win this battle, do what it takes

[Brobi-wan]

Right now is the perfect time to reverse a little bit of history and pay him what it takes for him to say no to LSU no matter how ridiculous it could get. We need a perception victory, a shock, and middle finger to the media. Most importantly a LT that can play at this level, day one.

We gotta win some games to win these battles

[Bdawg]

We gotta win some games to win these battles

If someone pays him 5 mil and we say 6, is he going to leave a mil on the table? Barring injury, it sounds like the man is good enough to go to the nfl no matter what school he attends. If we are willing to blank check this thing, the only question is how bad does he want to win in college

[Pancho]

Has Seaton not committed anywhere yet?

[Todd4State]

Has Seaton not committed anywhere yet?

I'm not sure if he is done with visits yet.

[Bdawg]

Think he’s on his way to Oregon

[Coach34]

We need to be signing the next best option

[CaptainObvious]

We need to be signing the next best option

Absolutely! Let this guy go. Please don?t create a locker room problem by way overpaying for a guy whose NIL value was listed at $2.5 mil. These big schools bidding it up to $5 mil can afford that. The next best available LT will not command near that much. Be sensible, not stupid!

[HoopsDawg]

We need to be signing the next best option

Not much out there as far as legit LT.

Need to find an Edge so we can have a good defense.

[Chuck3124]

Not much out there as far as legit LT.

Need to find an Edge so we can have a good defense.


Damon Wilson from Missouri 4* edge is still available. If somehow you could manage to swing him and Seaton would be great. Yes I know that?s a pipe dream

[BlackSailsDawg]

I think we will all know what's up by the end of the day

[Tater]

I think we will all know what's up by the end of the day

Dude I don't like Rosebowl that much but you're a loser for passing off what he says on a paid board onto a free board and present it as if you're some insider.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Dude I don't like Rosebowl that much but you're a loser for passing off what he says on a paid board onto a free board and present it as if you're some insider.

I don't care who you like or don't like. Are you suggesting that it's paid information to say "I think we will all know by the end of the day"? LMAO! OK.... TATER.

[BeardoMSU]

Also posted this in the other thread....

https://twitter.com/PortalPredict/status/2013661696800247983?s=20

[Coach34]

On3 has predicted Seaton to LSU today

[Cruz]

Is Brandon Sneh from UAB the next best option that is currently available? Looking at the 247 portal page, it looks like him and a guy from Toledo are the only others with starting LT experience.

[TrapGame]

On3 has predicted Seaton to LSU today

Shea Dixon said he never left LSU for any other visits. He?s been at LSU for two days and doesn?t look like he?s leaving.

[msstate7]

Silly to think we ever were an option

[TrapGame]

Silly to think we ever were an option

You wanna be a belle at the ball? Go to the ball.

[msstate7]

You wanna be a belle at the ball? Go to the ball.

Sure, as long as we didn't put all our eggs in that basket. If we did, we dumb as hell

[StarkVegasSteve]

Sure, as long as we didn't put all our eggs in that basket. If we did, we dumb as hell

Agreed. If the staff's grand plan was put all our eggs in the Jordan Seaton basket then we are INCREDIBLY STUPID.

[Tater]

Agreed. If the staff's grand plan was put all our eggs in the Jordan Seaton basket then we are INCREDIBLY STUPID.

Well...

[BigDawg81]

Seems like we have pivoted to Sneh

[BlackSailsDawg]

Well...

Well, we didn't put them all in 1 basket.

[Chuck3124]

6?2 LT lord be with Kamario Taylor throughout the 2026 season Amen

[HoopsDawg]

Seems like we have pivoted to Sneh

Should have kept James.

Year 3 under Lebby and we still don?t have our shit together

[BlackSailsDawg]

Should have kept James.

Year 3 under Lebby and we still don?t have our shit together

James is not better than Sneh.

[HancockCountyDog]

James is not better than Sneh.

I guess we will find out. Hard to know for sure.

[TrapGame]

Sure, as long as we didn't put all our eggs in that basket. If we did, we dumb as hell

Yeah, that would be really stupid.

The belle of the ball doesn?t dance with just one guy. She dances with them all.

[msstate7]

6?2 LT lord be with Kamario Taylor throughout the 2026 season Amen

Not ideal, but I think you can get by in college without great measurables. Haven't watched this guy at all, so not saying he will... just saying it's possible in college

[BlackSailsDawg]

I guess we will find out. Hard to know for sure.

Well, for one, Sneh is an older guy. He started out in D2 in 2022. Moved to FCS in 2024, played every game and did not allow a sack. I can not find where he allowed one at UAB. Maybe somebody else can find that. So he is a seasoned player who grades out nicely.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Apparently, Seaton has left LSU. Kiffin is in Moss Bluff visiting a 2027 IOL Albert Simien

[StarkVegasSteve]

Seems like we have pivoted to Sneh

We have and we should get him. He really wanted to come here. We are going to have to overpay a tad but such is things at this point.

[HoopsDawg]

We have and we should get him. He really wanted to come here. We are going to have to overpay a tad but such is things at this point.

So we have to overpay for an undersized tackle from UAB who we initially passed on. Depressing.

[BigDawg81]

We have and we should get him. He really wanted to come here. We are going to have to overpay a tad but such is things at this point. Listening to T&L, unless I’m mistaken, Robbie brought up a tackle from Louisville. I don’t know who that is.

[KOdawg1]

Yeah, LT, TE, and Edge have been failures by this coaching staff.

[Pinto]

Do any of you guys ever get laid. Geez. Y?all are some miserable clucks.

[DownwardDawg]

Do any of you guys ever get laid. Geez. Y?all are some miserable clucks.

Hahahaha!!!!!!

[BlackSailsDawg]

Yeah, LT, TE, and Edge have been failures by this coaching staff.

LOL! What? Ok...

[KOdawg1]

LOL! What? Ok...

Prove me wrong. And I don't mean respond with a snarky response or something vague. Specifically point out how we've improved the LT, TE, and Edge positions from last year. Go ahead.

[HancockCountyDog]

Prove me wrong. And I don't mean respond with a snarky response or something vague. Specifically point out how we've improved the LT, TE, and Edge positions from last year. Go ahead.

He certainly can't prove you wrong. All he can really do is say "look at all these stars when these kids were in HS".

Lets hope he is right. All of our DL portal signees throughout their careers don't have as many tackles or sacks as Whitson did in 2023 alone.

The positive spin is that we are going after kids who have high upside. The negative spin, we are signing kids who haven't done shit so far on the P4 level.

Lets hope for all of our viewing enjoyment that he is right, and we are wrong. I do not agree with this approach, but the portal is closed and it appears this is the roster we are going to war with next year.

[MetEdDawg]

I find it very interesting that a significant number of folks said our OL couldn't get any worse two weeks ago, then when the starting LT for that group leaves in the portal, who got abused on countless occasions, we all of a sudden suck at OL now.

If our season hung on Jayvin James returning or not returning, there was no hope to begin with people. He wasn't a good piece on a bad OL.

[Todd4State]

I find it very interesting that a significant number of folks said our OL couldn't get any worse two weeks ago, then when the starting LT for that group leaves in the portal, who got abused on countless occasions, we all of a sudden suck at OL now.

If our season hung on Jayvin James returning or not returning, there was no hope to begin with people. He wasn't a good piece on a bad OL.

I imagine if we really wanted Jayvin James to stay we would do what we needed to do to keep him. We didn't do that so that tells me the staff thinks he is pretty expendable.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Prove me wrong. And I don't mean respond with a snarky response or something vague. Specifically point out how we've improved the LT, TE, and Edge positions from last year. Go ahead.

Where do you want to start? OT? McVay is a seasoned starter. Sneh... has played LT since his college career began in 2022. He is an older seasoned guy has not allowed a sack in 2 years as a starter.

James alone allowed 4 sacks and more hurries. He was responsible for 7 flags.

Thats improvement.

[BuckyIsAB****]

He certainly can't prove you wrong. All he can really do is say "look at all these stars when these kids were in HS".

Lets hope he is right. All of our DL portal signees throughout their careers don't have as many tackles or sacks as Whitson did in 2023 alone.

The positive spin is that we are going after kids who have high upside. The negative spin, we are signing kids who haven't done shit so far on the P4 level.

Let?s hope for all of our viewing enjoyment that he is right, and we are wrong. I do not agree with this approach, but the portal is closed and it appears this is the roster we are going to war with next year.

It?s because they are the only ones that will come play for this staff. Same reason we have hired a DC that lied to our team 2 years ago back in the program. It?s why we could only get the assistants we got. All Lebby has done since day 1 is swing and miss. If money is no longer an issue, then what is?

[KOdawg1]

Where do you want to start? OT? McVay is a seasoned starter. Sneh... has played LT since his college career began in 2022. He is an older seasoned guy has not allowed a sack in 2 years as a starter.

James alone allowed 4 sacks and more hurries. He was responsible for 7 flags.

Thats improvement.

McVay isn't a LT. We haven't landed Sneh yet. Until we do, that isn't an improvement.

Okay, now do TE and Edge. You left that out. How have we improved there?

[BigDawg81]

Hearing that we would have to pay right at 6 mil to get Seaton and we are backing off.

[Coach34]

Hearing that we would have to pay right at 6 mil to get Seaton and we are backing off.

Seaton isnt coming here if we paid that. He's going to Miami, LSU, or Oregon.

[BuckyIsAB****]

McVay isn't a LT. We haven't landed Sneh yet. Until we do, that isn't an improvement.

Okay, now do TE and Edge. You left that out. How have we improved there?

We haven?t. And ain?t going to. If you are a HS or portal kid, unless you just love State, why would you come here? What has Lebby done? It?s not like he is super likable or endearing to anyone. He hasn?t done one memorable thing for me personally except lose. He doesn?t work the referees or the sideline, it?s just kinda boring

[BuckyIsAB****]

The money is there. The playing field is supposedly more even. I don?t think so but whatever. What excuse is there? We are staring a football black hole in the face until we get new admins and coaches that kids can get behind and excited about. Or at least provide something. Cignetti is about as personable and relatable as a rock, but at least he is intense. He has something to hang his hat on. What is Lebbros? His swag? Rope hat?

[DEDawg]

We have and we should get him. He really wanted to come here. We are going to have to overpay a tad but such is things at this point.

I gotta imagine we are saving $2M by doing this even overpaying Sneh. Do we use that extra on an edge or were the people ponying up only willing to do it for Seaton? Is there no chance with Bell anymore or is he NFL bound?

[Cowbeller]

The money is there. The playing field is supposedly more even. I don?t think so but whatever. What excuse is there? We are staring a football black hole in the face until we get new admins and coaches that kids can get behind and excited about. Or at least provide something. Cignetti is about as personable and relatable as a rock, but at least he is intense. He has something to hang his hat on. What is Lebbros? His swag? Rope hat?

We have yet to play a down of football with our first expensive, hell not even expensive just more on par, roster and youre already counting losses. Give it a rest dude, we will be fine and if we arent back to square 0 next December with what would be my guess a Lebby downgrade

[Coach34]

We have upgraded the roster some from a talent standpoint. Guys aren’t coming to State no matter who the coach is if they can play at LSU or Miami

[Cowbeller]

We have upgraded the roster some from a talent standpoint. Guys aren’t coming to State no matter who the coach is if they can play at LSU or Miami

This isnt true like it used to be. Id conservatively say 75% of college dudes go to the highest bidder now

[BeardoMSU]

We have upgraded the roster some from a talent standpoint. Guys aren’t coming to State no matter who the coach is if they can play at LSU or Miami

INDIANA.

[Tater]

What is a downgrade on Lebby? Sylvester Croom got Fletcher Cox to play at State

[KOdawg1]

We have upgraded the roster some from a talent standpoint.

Overall? Yes.

At key positions that we knew we needed to upgrade going in? Not necessarily.

[Quaoarsking]

We have yet to play a down of football with our first expensive, hell not even expensive just more on par, roster and youre already counting losses. Give it a rest dude, we will be fine and if we arent back to square 0 next December with what would be my guess a Lebby downgrade

If Lebby is fired in 2026, it means he probably has the 2nd worst tenure of any 21st century SEC head coach, only better than Chad Morris. Maybe Coach O at Ole Miss too, though getting to that point could save his job.

I hope that doesn't happen, but if it does, it would be really hard to downgrade.

[Coach34]

INDIANA.

Indiana doesn’t have a lot of highly rated players either except at QB. They didn’t outbid/grab guys away from Ohio St or Penn St

[BeardoMSU]

Indiana doesn’t have a lot of highly rated players either except at QB. They didn’t outbid/grab guys away from Ohio St or Penn St

They just completed an undefeated season capped with a NC. Matching (or doubling) their all-time # of post season wins in the process.

INDIANA!!!

So....are you saying, its the money, stars, or coaching?

[Cowbell]

What is a downgrade on Lebby? Sylvester Croom got Fletcher Cox to play at State

He also got Michael Henig to play QB

[Pancho]

folks on the plantation say that markel bell has eligibility remaining

[Cowbeller]

If Lebby is fired in 2026, it means he probably has the 2nd worst tenure of any 21st century SEC head coach, only better than Chad Morris. Maybe Coach O at Ole Miss too, though getting to that point could save his job.

I hope that doesn't happen, but if it does, it would be really hard to downgrade.

You think we suck at recruiting players? Wait until next years coaching cycle comes if we hit the market. Mullen 2.0 ceiling unless we get a lot more serious

[BlackSailsDawg]

They just completed an undefeated season capped with a NC. Matching (or doubling) their all-time # of post season wins in the process.

INDIANA!!!

So....are you saying, its the money, stars, or coaching?

Its the age and experience with good coaching.

He would not have dont that with a younger roster.

[BeardoMSU]

Its the age and experience with good coaching.

He would not have dont that with a younger roster.

So....coaching and evaluation?

[Coach34]

They just completed an undefeated season capped with a NC. Matching (or doubling) their all-time # of post season wins in the process.

INDIANA!!!

So....are you saying, its the money, stars, or coaching?

I'm saying they did not outrecruit Ohio St, Michigan, Penn St, etc over the same players. Those guys didnt choose Indy over Ohio State. They signed a bunch of grown ass men and developed players extremely well. Remember guys posting in here they were 72nd in talent level according to 247???? Ohio St and Indiana havent been recruiting the same players

[BuckyIsAB****]

We have yet to play a down of football with our first expensive, hell not even expensive just more on par, roster and youre already counting losses. Give it a rest dude, we will be fine and if we arent back to square 0 next December with what would be my guess a Lebby downgrade

Be back with Arnett at HC by November

[BuckyIsAB****]

You think we suck at recruiting players? Wait until next years coaching cycle comes if we hit the market. Mullen 2.0 ceiling unless we get a lot more serious

Mullen 2.0 is a pipe dream here. I would forgive every sin and every game he half assed if he came back

[99jc]

We have upgraded the roster some from a talent standpoint. Guys aren?t coming to State no matter who the coach is if they can play at LSU or Miami

Dak says stfu 34

[CaptainObvious]

If Lebby can?t make it past October 2026, it will show he should have been fired after the mayonnaise bowl. State is going to have to pay a sitting HC $9 mil to come here. No more cheap hiring coordinators for $4 mil. That strategy will no longer work for a bottom feeder program. Cignetti made $9 mil this year, only his second at a P4 program. Is State a P4 program? Let?s see it!

[Quaoarsking]

You think we suck at recruiting players? Wait until next years coaching cycle comes if we hit the market. Mullen 2.0 ceiling unless we get a lot more serious

Mullen 2.0 would be a pretty big upgrade. Does anyone seriously think Mullen would be 2-17 against the P4 if we'd hired him instead of Lebby?

[Quaoarsking]

I'm saying they did not outrecruit Ohio St, Michigan, Penn St, etc over the same players. Those guys didnt choose Indy over Ohio State. They signed a bunch of grown ass men and developed players extremely well. Remember guys posting in here they were 72nd in talent level according to 247???? Ohio St and Indiana havent been recruiting the same players

If that's all true, then there is hope for all of the "have nots" in the SEC and Big 10.

[Coach34]

Dak says stfu 34

Dak was a 3 star LSU Miles told he would likely play TE for them. Eat my ass dummy

[Coach34]

If Lebby can?t make it past October 2026, it will show he should have been fired after the mayonnaise bowl. State is going to have to pay a sitting HC $9 mil to come here. No more cheap hiring coordinators for $4 mil. That strategy will no longer work for a bottom feeder program. Cignetti made $9 mil this year, only his second at a P4 program. Is State a P4 program? Let?s see it!

Cignetti actually made about $11MM total plus the bonuses are going to get him to 14MM this year

You also have to add in people that will actually take our job. Willie Fritz turned us down to go to Houston. Too many of our fans think people drool for our job. I can assure you they do not- that is why we hire coordinators so often.

[parabrave]

Dak says stfu 34

Dak wanted to play QB not sit the bench as a backup TE where Miles had him/

[CaptainObvious]

Cignetti actually made about $11MM total plus the bonuses are going to get him to 14MM this year

You also have to add in people that will actually take our job. Willie Fritz turned us down to go to Houston. Too many of our fans think people drool for our job. I can assure you they do not- that is why we hire coordinators so often.

If State couldn?t hire a G6 sitting head coach or an FCS successful head coach for $8-$9 mil, then the program needs shuttering, the stadium bulldozed and turned into a 6 level parking garage! Good grief! Indiana was the losingest program in college football history and are now NC. State?s program, though not great over the entire history, is no where close to that bad! Shut it down if you truly believe what you just typed! No need in wasting any more money on football if Felker, Croom, Morehead and Lebby are the best State can do!

[DownwardDawg]

Be back with Arnett at HC by November

I mean....it's extremely possible.

[Really Clark?]

If Lebby can?t make it past October 2026, it will show he should have been fired after the mayonnaise bowl. State is going to have to pay a sitting HC $9 mil to come here. No more cheap hiring coordinators for $4 mil. That strategy will no longer work for a bottom feeder program. Cignetti made $9 mil this year, only his second at a P4 program. Is State a P4 program? Let?s see it!

Cignetti made $4 MIL his first year at Indiana.

[Goldendawg]

Cignetti made $4 MIL his first year at Indiana.

Was he available at any time we had an opening, or was he ineligible, as we only hire assistants with no HC experience?***

[StarkVegasSteve]

Was he available at any time we had an opening, or was he ineligible, as we only hire assistants with no HC experience?***

We had early discussions with his reps but it never progressed past that. We never spoke to him directly. I mean he was at JMU. If anyone tells you they saw this coming, they are lying. If he was this no doubt cannot miss guy then Bama would have hired him. I doubt anyone would have batted an eye if he would have left Indiana for Bama after 3 weeks.

[Todd4State]

I'm pretty sure if we had a poll in 2023 between Lebby and Cignetti MSU fans at the time would have chosen Lebby.

[Todd4State]

Hell, we had fans that wanted Jamey Chadwell.

[EdwardDrayton]

Well apparently Indiana saw it coming. *****

[StarkVegasSteve]

Hell, we had fans that wanted Jamey Chadwell.

We also had people who thought Bob Stoops was a serious candidate.

[Santiago]

I'm pretty sure if we had a poll in 2023 between Lebby and Cignetti MSU fans at the time would have chosen Lebby.

Not me. I was all for Cignetti. Hire a proven winner over an unproven coordinator. Have another coach learning from him for promotion.

Those that wanted Lebby over Cignetti don't use Google***

[msstate7]

Not me. I was all for Cignetti. Hire a proven winner over an unproven coordinator. Have another coach learning from him for promotion.

Those that wanted Lebby over Cignetti don't use Google***
Exactly.

[Quaoarsking]

I'm pretty sure if we had a poll in 2023 between Lebby and Cignetti MSU fans at the time would have chosen Lebby.

... what??

Nobody in our fanbase liked Lebby at all in 2023. Go check threads from when Kiffin hired him, or the Egg Bowls when Lebby was there. Or just the 2023 threads from when Lebby was a rumored candidate and a lot of people had lukewarm reaction.

[Really Clark?]

Not me. I was all for Cignetti. Hire a proven winner over an unproven coordinator. Have another coach learning from him for promotion.

Those that wanted Lebby over Cignetti don't use Google***

You might have been but the sitting HC that a majority wanted was Chadwell. Kinne was a hot name too especially among the air raid fans. And my lord the Tom Herman threads and debates.

I remember Cig mentioned but he was way way way down the list of the fans on the message boards. There were no long back and forth as debating Cig. At all.