Where Things Stand Currently

[BlackSailsDawg]

Why would we be bringing in Kendall Briles if we're going to fire Lebby?

The only way I would fire Lebby would be if someone like Saban was begging for our job. I highly doubt that's the case.


Lebby and Briles are brother in laws

[SPMT]

Exactly. He made walk-on Ben Beckwith an All-SEC caliber player. Games are won and lost in the trenches. An OL coach the quality of Hev is worth 1-2 wins. I don't care how many people he pisses off. That's pretty much every good offensive line coach ever. They're a different breed.


Yeah, I don?t understand how fans get so wound up about an assistant being an asshole to fans. Why do people even want to be friends with them unless it is very genuine/they just hit it off.

They should all be polite, especially the head coach but if an Oline or Dline isn?t the most personable human??I mean, what do you expect.

[Todd4State]

Yeah, I don?t understand how fans get so wound up about an assistant being an asshole to fans. Why do people even want to be friends with them unless it is very genuine/they just hit it off.

They should all be polite, especially the head coach but if an Oline or Dline isn?t the most personable human??I mean, what do you expect.

To me, he was an asshole to recruits and that is the issue. Because here's the thing. Yeah he did great with some walk-ons sometimes. His coaching ability is greatly exaggerated by some MSU fans. See 2015 as exhibit A and it took him 3/4 of a season to finally get the o-line combination right in 2016. But for arguments sake let's say he is a great offensive line coach. Ok so if he did great with walk-ons what would he do with guys that are 4-5 star type talents? But the thing is he never could get them. So the ceiling becomes limited no matter how good he is. That's why no one else besides a few MSU fans want him as their o-line coach and why he is at Lowe's right now.

So, it's not about how he treats fans. It's about what was best for the football team and the truth is his recruiting hurt us a lot.

[SPMT]

To me, he was an asshole to recruits and that is the issue. Because here's the thing. Yeah he did great with some walk-ons sometimes. His coaching ability is greatly exaggerated by some MSU fans. See 2015 as exhibit A and it took him 3/4 of a season to finally get the o-line combination right in 2016. But for arguments sake let's say he is a great offensive line coach. Ok so if he did great with walk-ons what would he do with guys that are 4-5 star type talents? But the thing is he never could get them. So the ceiling becomes limited no matter how good he is. That's why no one else besides a few MSU fans want him as their o-line coach and why he is at Lowe's right now.

So, it's not about how he treats fans. It's about what was best for the football team and the truth is his recruiting hurt us a lot.

Yeah, if you?re an asshole to recruits, you are an idiot. I also never thought he was anything more than a serviceable coach.

[BigDawg81]

Mark Stoops might be available for the DC position

[Coach34]

Mark Stoops might be available for the DC position

I don’t see any way Kentucky pays a stupid amount of money for him not to come to work. He likely gets one more to save them 8-9MM

[MagicDawg]

https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/kentucky-football-fires-mark-stoops-coaching-search-sec-football/

Reporting that Stoops is out at UK.

[msstate7]

I don’t see any way Kentucky pays a stupid amount of money for him not to come to work. He likely gets one more to save them 8-9MM

You're on a heater

[Todd4State]

I don’t see any way Kentucky pays a stupid amount of money for him not to come to work. He likely gets one more to save them 8-9MM

Comes down to how much they lose by keeping him.

Bad contract for a guy that no one ever really wanted as their head coach.

[sandjunky]

Further proof that MSU is not serious about football
Even the OG MSU got rid of their 9-15 coach after 2 seasons

[CaptainObvious]

You're on a heater
I am laughing so hard at this snot bubbles are coming out my nose!!!

[DownwardDawg]

I am laughing so hard at this snot bubbles are coming out my nose!!!

Hahaha!!!
Been a tough run for Coach.

[Cowbell]

You're on a heater

Legit Question. Who has more bad takes...C34 or Bert Stare?

[EdwardDrayton]

You're on a heater

Hoooooeeeee! That's just plain funny!!! LOL!!

[Quaoarsking]

Legit Question. Who has more bad takes...C34 or Bert Stare?

"Mirando got fired because of a girl, not recruiting violations." (Note that this perception being out there would be much more damaging to his career and personal life...)
"Dan Mullen is leaving." (2014)
"Dan Mullen is leaving." (2015)
"Howland is a pipe dream"
"We're not hiring the fuсking Pirate!"
"We probably won't fire Arnett, but if we do, it will be after the season is over."
"We probably won't fire Lemonis, but if we do, it will be after the season is over."
"We will hire a mid-major head coach, definitely not Brian O'Connor."

[Coach34]

"Mirando got fired because of a girl, not recruiting violations." (Note that this perception being out there would be much more damaging to his career and personal life...)
"Dan Mullen is leaving." (2014)
"Dan Mullen is leaving." (2015)
"Howland is a pipe dream"
"We're not hiring the fuсking Pirate!"
"We probably won't fire Arnett, but if we do, it will be after the season is over."
"We probably won't fire Lemonis, but if we do, it will be after the season is over."
"We will hire a mid-major head coach, definitely not Brian O'Connor."

man dont make me post the 107 times I nailed shit

Pete Thamel reports Kentucky owes Stoops $37MM within 60 days. Good for Stoops.

[Quaoarsking]

man dont make me post the 107 times I nailed shit

Post all 107 of them. It'll be fun!

But before you do, check out this Tweet:

https://twitter.com/clowfb/status/1995331563454652545

[MagicDawg]

I'm reading that Stoops is agreeing to let them spread the payment out over a longer period of months/years. Interesting.

[EdwardDrayton]

man dont make me post the 107 times I nailed shit

Pete Thamel reports Kentucky owes Stoops $37MM within 60 days. Good for Stoops.

I have to admit it was hard to imagine KY coming up with that dough.

[EdwardDrayton]

Post all 107 of them. It'll be fun!

But before you do, check out this Tweet:

https://twitter.com/clowfb/status/1995331563454652545

There it is!! They got an installment plan!!!!

[TrapGame]

Anymore leaks on possible assistant coaches?

[EdwardDrayton]

"Mirando got fired because of a girl, not recruiting violations." (Note that this perception being out there would be much more damaging to his career and personal life...)
"Dan Mullen is leaving." (2014)
"Dan Mullen is leaving." (2015)
"Howland is a pipe dream"
"We're not hiring the fuсking Pirate!"
"We probably won't fire Arnett, but if we do, it will be after the season is over."
"We probably won't fire Lemonis, but if we do, it will be after the season is over."
"We will hire a mid-major head coach, definitely not Brian O'Connor."

There's some real gems in this list. He gets a lot correct but even his misses are pure entertainment. LOL!!!

[Todd4State]

I'm reading that Stoops is agreeing to let them spread the payment out over a longer period of months/years. Interesting.

Heck yeah. As long as he gets his money.

He's the Bobby Bonilla of college football. Good for him.

[Todd4State]

Anymore leaks on possible assistant coaches?

I don't know anything but it seems like Ron Roberts name comes up a lot.

[Pancho]

He is rumored to possibly be moving to oxfart to help his boy Golding. wait and see

[Chuck3124]

He is rumored to possibly be moving to oxfart to help his boy Golding. wait and see

I assume this is Durkin?

[Cowbell]

"Mirando got fired because of a girl, not recruiting violations." (Note that this perception being out there would be much more damaging to his career and personal life...)
"Dan Mullen is leaving." (2014)
"Dan Mullen is leaving." (2015)
"Howland is a pipe dream"
"We're not hiring the fuсking Pirate!"
"We probably won't fire Arnett, but if we do, it will be after the season is over."
"We probably won't fire Lemonis, but if we do, it will be after the season is over."
"We will hire a mid-major head coach, definitely not Brian O'Connor."

You can add a quote about Kiffin to Florida, Not Firing Stoops, and Not Starting KT that are all from the past two weeks

[Coursesuper]

I assume this is Durkin?

I believe he is referring to Roberts.

[Chuck3124]

I believe he is referring to Roberts.

Ahhh gotcha. If we?ve got $2-2.5 to spend on a DC we should be able to get a big time hire imo

[SPMT]

"Mirando got fired because of a girl, not recruiting violations." (Note that this perception being out there would be much more damaging to his career and personal life...)
"Dan Mullen is leaving." (2014)
"Dan Mullen is leaving." (2015)
"Howland is a pipe dream"
"We're not hiring the fuсking Pirate!"
"We probably won't fire Arnett, but if we do, it will be after the season is over."
"We probably won't fire Lemonis, but if we do, it will be after the season is over."
"We will hire a mid-major head coach, definitely not Brian O'Connor."

Coach34 is the Alex Jones of Mississippi State.

Say enough shit and eventually you?ll get a few right.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Just a few of the possible DC names I have heard. And by the way, I don't know the validity to any of them or if we've had contact with any of their representation, outside of a couple of them.

Brent Pry-I know we've put out some feelers with him. I think this would be an incredible hire.

Justin Wilcox-No clue on the validity of that one. I just know his reps have reached out to a lot of P4 programs and said he'd be interested in being a DC.

Ron Roberts-You can kind of connect the dots on that one. I do think there's a chance he heads to OM with Pete though.

Austin Armstrong-Currently at Houston and was at Florida with Billy before that. He also worked at USM with Jay Hopson. I think we could get him if we made a push.

Danny Gonzalez-Currently at AZ. He's from the Rocky Long coaching tree.


Also, the rumor is again out there that we may move Coleman to STC. I don't put a whole lot of stock in it tbh because we heard that last year.

[Coursesuper]

Just a few of the possible DC names I have heard. And by the way, I don't know the validity to any of them or if we've had contact with any of their representation, outside of a couple of them.

Brent Pry-I know we've put out some feelers with him. I think this would be an incredible hire.

Justin Wilcox-No clue on the validity of that one. I just know his reps have reached out to a lot of P4 programs and said he'd be interested in being a DC.

Ron Roberts-You can kind of connect the dots on that one. I do think there's a chance he heads to OM with Pete though.

Austin Armstrong-Currently at Houston and was at Florida with Billy before that. He also worked at USM with Jay Hopson. I think we could get him if we made a push.

Danny Gonzalez-Currently at AZ. He's from the Rocky Long coaching tree.


Also, the rumor is again out there that we may move Coleman to STC. I don't put a whole lot of stock in it tbh because we heard that last year.

If we could pull Armstrong away from Houston that would be a fantastic addition, I love to watch his defenses work. Does as much or more with the back end of the defense play to play as anyone in the country.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I will also try to see what I can found out about Brad White today and the weird Muschamp rumor, which is not KB just spitting BS. There's some legs to it. There's a couple of boosters who are like defiantly confident we'll announce Will before the end of the week.

[Coach34]

Biggest thing we need is to find a guy that networks and can find us some cheap animals on D that can spot start or provide quality depth on D. There's 150 guys we could hire that know the X's and O's part of it.

[msstate7]

Biggest thing we need is to find a guy that networks and can find us some cheap animals on D that can spot start or provide quality depth on D. There's 150 guys we could hire that know the X's and O's part of it.

Yep. Even if it isn't the actual DC... we have to scout better than our richer neighbors

[confucius say]

If we could pull Armstrong away from Houston that would be a fantastic addition, I love to watch his defenses work. Does as much or more with the back end of the defense play to play as anyone in the country.

Armstrong has family in the central MS area.

[KB21]

I will also try to see what I can found out about Brad White today and the weird Muschamp rumor, which is not KB just spitting BS. There's some legs to it. There's a couple of boosters who are like defiantly confident we'll announce Will before the end of the week.

It fits with the idea that Hutzler could be reassigned to coach special teams. The opportunity to get most of Muschamp's defensive staff from his days at South Carolina is there, as Travaris Robinson could be a candidate to replace the safeties coach.

[BigDawg81]

I guess my question is How much as we will willing to go on a DC? Are we willing to spend 1.5 to 2.5 mil on a DC or cheap again?

[Coach34]

Hutzler wasnt hired to save money

[KB21]

I hope we stay away from the Rocky Long tree. Coaches in that tree are too reliant on blitzing.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I guess my question is How much as we will willing to go on a DC? Are we willing to spend 1.5 to 2.5 mil on a DC or cheap again?

I have heard we have between 2-2.5 to hire a DC.

[Coursesuper]

I guess my question is How much as we will willing to go on a DC? Are we willing to spend 1.5 to 2.5 mil on a DC or cheap again?

I do know we have a commitment on funding staff, if moves are made.

[KB21]

Just throwing another name out there. No rumor, but the Tennessee Titans will likely have an entire new coaching staff after the season. Tracy Rocker is their current DL coach, and he was Will Muschamp's DL coach at South Carolina. He's got a long history in SEC football. If you can get Muschamp, it might be possible to get Rocker to coach the DL. I'm sure Jeff Simmons would be talking up Mississippi State to Rocker.

[Matt3467]

I hope we stay away from the Rocky Long tree. Coaches in that tree are too reliant on blitzing.

I just don't want to see another 3 man front.

[KB21]

I just don't want to see another 3 man front.

Well, you are probably out of luck, because almost every DC in both NFL and college bases out of an odd front with 5 DBs. Particularly in college, you don't see teams run a true 4 man front any longer because it's too hard to defend spread teams with a 4 man front. You see some teams use a 2 man front with two stand up ends or some hybrid front where you have three down with one stand up edge that can play both on the ball and off the ball. You rarely see anyone who puts four down across the front any longer. It's the modern approach to defense.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Just throwing another name out there. No rumor, but the Tennessee Titans will likely have an entire new coaching staff after the season. Tracy Rocker is their current DL coach, and he was Will Muschamp's DL coach at South Carolina. He's got a long history in SEC football. If you can get Muschamp, it might be possible to get Rocker to coach the DL. I'm sure Jeff Simmons would be talking up Mississippi State to Rocker.

The DL role is already rumored to be filled. The consistent rumor I have heard, for the last two months, is that Pernell McPhee was going to be the new DL coach. He's not your typical "oh he's a former player so we're hiring him" hire. He's been with Wink Martindale at Michigan(who was his DC in Baltimore) the last 3 years, two being in a coaching type role. He's with the OLBs this year but was with the DL last year. He has a lot of support from Fletcher Cox and some former players to get the job. Rumored that Fletcher would kick in some serious change to revamp the DL if Pernell was to be the hire. Not saying he won't do that anyways, which I believe he is going to, but he'd be all the more motivated to kick in even more if Pernell was heading that unit.

[KB21]

The DL role is already rumored to be filled. The consistent rumor I have heard, for the last two months, is that Pernell McPhee was going to be the new DL coach. He's not your typical "oh he's a former player so we're hiring him" hire. He's been with Wink Martindale at Michigan(who was his DC in Baltimore) the last 3 years, two being in a coaching type role. He's with the OLBs this year but was with the DL last year. He has a lot of support from Fletcher Cox and some former players to get the job. Rumored that Fletcher would kick in some serious change to revamp the DL if Pernell was to be the hire. Not saying he won't do that anyways, which I believe he is going to, but he'd be all the more motivated to kick in even more if Pernell was heading that unit.

Nice!

[gtowndawg]

The DL role is already rumored to be filled. The consistent rumor I have heard, for the last two months, is that Pernell McPhee was going to be the new DL coach. He's not your typical "oh he's a former player so we're hiring him" hire. He's been with Wink Martindale at Michigan(who was his DC in Baltimore) the last 3 years, two being in a coaching type role. He's with the OLBs this year but was with the DL last year. He has a lot of support from Fletcher Cox and some former players to get the job. Rumored that Fletcher would kick in some serious change to revamp the DL if Pernell was to be the hire. Not saying he won't do that anyways, which I believe he is going to, but he'd be all the more motivated to kick in even more if Pernell was heading that unit.

Good info, not sure if it will come true but it's something to chew on at least.

[StarkVegasSteve]

There seems to be some consensus that we're going to make more staff moves than originally thought. The original thought had been that we'd make 4: Turner, Bell, Hutzler, and Odom. I also think there's a high possibility that Holocek is kind of in the wrong place at the wrong time and may get fired as well to make room for an OC/QB coach. I think Tucker is safe and I feel like Bumphis is safe. I don't think you fire Loadholt after less than a year on the job so that just leaves Jon Cooper.

I also know we are completely revamping the scouting and off field depts so that could be more of what is meant than on field staffers.

[Coach34]

I just don't want to see another 3 man front.

best front to use vs Spread teams but you must have a legit Nose to be good at it

[Cowbell]

The DL role is already rumored to be filled. The consistent rumor I have heard, for the last two months, is that Pernell McPhee was going to be the new DL coach. He's not your typical "oh he's a former player so we're hiring him" hire. He's been with Wink Martindale at Michigan(who was his DC in Baltimore) the last 3 years, two being in a coaching type role. He's with the OLBs this year but was with the DL last year. He has a lot of support from Fletcher Cox and some former players to get the job. Rumored that Fletcher would kick in some serious change to revamp the DL if Pernell was to be the hire. Not saying he won't do that anyways, which I believe he is going to, but he'd be all the more motivated to kick in even more if Pernell was heading that unit.

Thanks for this info. Man!

[Maverick91]

The DL role is already rumored to be filled. The consistent rumor I have heard, for the last two months, is that Pernell McPhee was going to be the new DL coach. He's not your typical "oh he's a former player so we're hiring him" hire. He's been with Wink Martindale at Michigan(who was his DC in Baltimore) the last 3 years, two being in a coaching type role. He's with the OLBs this year but was with the DL last year. He has a lot of support from Fletcher Cox and some former players to get the job. Rumored that Fletcher would kick in some serious change to revamp the DL if Pernell was to be the hire. Not saying he won't do that anyways, which I believe he is going to, but he'd be all the more motivated to kick in even more if Pernell was heading that unit.

I would the mess out of this. Watching Pernell was so much fun I loved his violence and attack of the ball. Would be great to get that back to our dline.

[Thick]

Willie Blades

[Todd4State]

There seems to be some consensus that we're going to make more staff moves than originally thought. The original thought had been that we'd make 4: Turner, Bell, Hutzler, and Odom. I also think there's a high possibility that Holocek is kind of in the wrong place at the wrong time and may get fired as well to make room for an OC/QB coach. I think Tucker is safe and I feel like Bumphis is safe. I don't think you fire Loadholt after less than a year on the job so that just leaves Jon Cooper.

I also know we are completely revamping the scouting and off field depts so that could be more of what is meant than on field staffers.

I would like to keep Holocek if possible. He did a good job with KT.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I would like to keep Holocek if possible. He did a good job with KT.

I don't hate Matt. I actually think he does a good job with the few responsibilities he's given, but Lebby handles the QBs. Which is yet another reason he needs an OC. He can still be like Lane and work closely with the QBs and OCs on a gameplan but he can't be Leach. He needs to delegate and start focusing on bigger pictures HC things.

Unless Holocek wants to take demotion, he's unfortunately probably going to be in the line of fire for that to happen.

[Chuck3124]

SVS how soon do you think we start to see movement with signing day approaching? How confident are you in the Muschamp rumor? I?d be super pumped about that move

[Coach34]

SVS how soon do you think we start to see movement with signing day approaching? How confident are you in the Muschamp rumor? I?d be super pumped about that move

May I ask why? Kirby hired him and then slowly phased him out. Muschamp literally posted on X about how happy he was not be working this last year and it was great to be home with his family for the 1st time on Thanksgiving

[KB21]

May I ask why? Kirby hired him and then slowly phased him out. Muschamp literally posted on X about how happy he was not be working this last year and it was great to be home with his family for the 1st time on Thanksgiving

It all depends on how much he wants to do it. It's why I'm not convinced it will happen. However, if it were to happen, he's one of the best defensive minds in college football. He was able to transition from a traditional 2 gap 3-4 scheme he was a part of to becoming a more modern one gap, multiple front scheme that ran multiple coverages on the back end, playing with more 5+ DB sub packages.

[StarkVegasSteve]

SVS how soon do you think we start to see movement with signing day approaching? How confident are you in the Muschamp rumor? I?d be super pumped about that move

I think movement happens this week and am pretty confident about that. I do not know whether it will be before or after Wednesday though.

On the Muschamp stuff, I do not think it is very plausible. Will is really happy in Athens and Kirby is paying him 6 figures to basically show up whenever the hell he wants to and he does not have to coach on gameday.

[Coursesuper]

It all depends on how much he wants to do it. It's why I'm not convinced it will happen. However, if it were to happen, he's one of the best defensive minds in college football. He was able to transition from a traditional 2 gap 3-4 scheme he was a part of to becoming a more modern one gap, multiple front scheme that ran multiple coverages on the back end, playing with more 5+ DB sub packages.

Yes, brilliant defensive mind, but I would love for us to have a young guy with a ton of energy and player connections out the wazzu.

[Coach34]

Yeah- I'm not questioning his defensive knowledge. He is top notch. Just not what I would be looking for in a DC unless he could bring a bigtime staff to handle all the position coaching. I'm not sure he has the fire he once had to bring it day after day. He's been an "analyst" for 2 years now and seems to really like that

[KB21]

Yeah- I'm not questioning his defensive knowledge. He is top notch. Just not what I would be looking for in a DC unless he could bring a bigtime staff to handle all the position coaching. I'm not sure he has the fire he once had to bring it day after day. He's been an "analyst" for 2 years now and seems to really like that

I agree with this, but there are some folks who truly believe this is going to happen.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Is Hutzler being moved inside the program?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Is Hutzler being moved inside the program?

There is chatter, as there was last year, that we would move Coleman to STC and bring in a DC since we also need a STC. I heard the same thing last year and it was sourced better than this year.

[Maverick91]

There is chatter, as there was last year, that we would move Coleman to STC and bring in a DC since we also need a STC. I heard the same thing last year and it was sourced better than this year.

Does that ever really workout? These guys don't get to there where they are by being okay with a demotion.

[War Machine Dawg]

Just a few of the possible DC names I have heard. And by the way, I don't know the validity to any of them or if we've had contact with any of their representation, outside of a couple of them.

Brent Pry-I know we've put out some feelers with him. I think this would be an incredible hire.

Justin Wilcox-No clue on the validity of that one. I just know his reps have reached out to a lot of P4 programs and said he'd be interested in being a DC.

Ron Roberts-You can kind of connect the dots on that one. I do think there's a chance he heads to OM with Pete though.

Austin Armstrong-Currently at Houston and was at Florida with Billy before that. He also worked at USM with Jay Hopson. I think we could get him if we made a push.

Danny Gonzalez-Currently at AZ. He's from the Rocky Long coaching tree.


Also, the rumor is again out there that we may move Coleman to STC. I don't put a whole lot of stock in it tbh because we heard that last year.

Hard pass. I've had enough of these 3-3-5 guys. We can't get the NT and OLB/DE hybrids you need to make that system work. We need to be playing traditional 4-3 or 4-2-5.

[KB21]

Hard pass. I've had enough of these 3-3-5 guys. We canner get the NT and OLB/DE hybrids you need to make that system work. We need to be playing traditional 4-3 or 4-2-5.

No one runs either, unless you are considering what is actually a 2-4 to be a 4-2. The 4-3 front is outdated and almost completely phased out outside of some situations. Most defenses are 3-4 based with some 4-3 principles.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Yes, brilliant defensive mind, but I would love for us to have a young guy with a ton of energy and player connections out the wazzu.

Speaking of Wazzu, I wouldn't mind us hiring Jessie Bobbit as DC. He had some good defenses at South Dakota State when they were winning titles and did more with less at wazzu defensively this year. Wazzu's big problem this year was that their offense was putrid.

[Chuck3124]

Sounds like there?s a lot of steam starting to pick up with Durkin being the next DC or is this just smoke screen for someone else to be hired?

[KB21]

Just so it?s out there, Durkin runs a hybrid scheme and uses 3-3-5, 2-4-5, and 3-2-6 formations.

So, if you don?t like 3 man fronts and 2 man fronts, then you aren?t going to like Durkin.

[DownwardDawg]

Just so it?s out there, Durkin runs a hybrid scheme and uses 3-3-5, 2-4-5, and 3-2-6 formations.

So, if you don?t like 3 man fronts and 2 man fronts, then you aren?t going to like Durkin.

Durkin would be outstanding.

[BlackSailsDawg]

There are plenty of great DCs out there.

- Brad White - (Kentucky)

- Phil Parker - (Iowa)

- Bryant Haines - (Indiana)

- Vince Kehres- Toledo

- Colin Hitschler- JMU

- Nick Benedetto- Fresno St.... BTW... coached in the south at Samford.,. Coached players that went pro. Young guy.

[msstate7]

There are plenty of great DCs out there.

- Brad White - (Kentucky)

- Phil Parker - (Iowa)

- Bryant Haines - (Indiana)

- Vince Kehres- Toledo

- Colin Hitschler- JMU

- Nick Benedetto- Fresno St.... BTW... coached in the south at Samford.,. Coached players that went pro. Young guy.

Why would a DC from Indiana or Iowa come here? Both are much better programs

[sandjunky]

Why would a DC from Indiana or Iowa come here? Both are much better programs

Because who wouldn?t want to trade the stability of a good program for the instability of another - I mean you get the chance to coach a guaranteed 1st rounder in the new commit

[Coach34]

No one runs either, unless you are considering what is actually a 2-4 to be a 4-2. The 4-3 front is outdated and almost completely phased out outside of some situations. Most defenses are 3-4 based with some 4-3 principles.

Yeah- just about every team runs multiple fronts now by sliding their DL. But DC's will have their preference of being more 3 down or 4 down. Saban/Kirby are 3 down guys but spread teams forced them to walk down a LB'er and play more 4 man fronts. The DL will still line up like a 3 man with the hybrid guy walked down to the strength call.

[Coursesuper]

Yeah- just about every team runs multiple fronts now by sliding their DL. But DC's will have their preference of being more 3 down or 4 down. Saban/Kirby are 3 down guys but spread teams forced them to walk down a LB'er and play more 4 man fronts. The DL will still line up like a 3 man with the hybrid guy walked down to the strength call.

Yep, and that gives them the flexibility to still have a base 7 in pass coverage dependent on the formation. Saban set the mold for that with the MEG and MOD stuff freeing up pass rush coupled with the call.

[tcdog70]

So to get this back to the original 17 topic,

1. DC changes have been impressed upon Lebby and he is receptive to that. I do not have a name that I could share because it is nothing more than people guessing.

2. We are revamping the scouting dept. Bo McKinnis and Co. gave Selmon a check for that yesterday and hires are already being made on that front.

3. TCU winning today, and how they won, could save Sonny(although I doubt it). Even with him staying, Art is putting some pressure on Kendall to get back into the SEC. He was a hell of a lot closer to a HC job when he was at Arkansas than he is now. He is also VERY INTERESTED in working with Kamario. Art has called KJ Jefferson a poor man?s Kamario.

have you changed your mind on KT. all I heard from you during the season is how KT wasn't ready and Shapen was the Man.

[Chuck3124]

Any word on Durkin being named DC?

[StarkVegasSteve]

have you changed your mind on KT. all I heard from you during the season is how KT wasn't ready and Shapen was the Man.

Yes it was in another thread. But thank you again for trying to hijack another thread.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Any word on Durkin being named DC?

Right now it is nothing more than smoke. I think we are going to get through signing day and then figure out the optics of the change.

[tcdog70]

Yes it was in another thread. But thank you again for trying to hijack another thread.

dude , I haven't hijacked any thread. I just wondered-- you being all knowing-if you had changed your mind on KT. you don't have to get all huffy.

[StarkVegasSteve]

dude , I haven't hijacked any thread. I just wondered-- you being all knowing-if you had changed your mind on KT. you don't have to get all huffy.

You actually did. This thread is for coaching changes and where things stand in that regard. If you would like to discuss Kamario there is a thread about people changing their opinions on things.

[Tater]

dude , I haven't hijacked any thread. I just wondered-- you being all knowing-if you had changed your mind on KT. you don't have to get all huffy.

You did just try to hijack the thread. Several others keep doing it - you're not alone. But a lot of us are ****ing annoyed at it.

I'm over the KT vs. Shapen debate. I'm over the Leach vs. Mullen vs. Lebby debate. Let's focus on who we have, who we're getting rid of, and who we're getting. And let's focus on State sources.

[Coursesuper]

Our DC hire is going to be critical for the success of the program, this has to work hand in hand with the portal acquisitions we can pull in, we wont become a top 5 defense overnight but we can hopefully become more flexible in our approach. We are bound to a scheme by lack of personnel right now and that has to change. personnel dictate what a team can run it would be nice to be more multiple with success.

[Chuck3124]

Right now it is nothing more than smoke. I think we are going to get through signing day and then figure out the optics of the change.

Mannnn this makes me really feel like we don?t make a move at DC. Really hope I?m wrong there

[StarkVegasSteve]

Mannnn this makes me really feel like we don?t make a move at DC. Really hope I?m wrong there

We're making one. I just don't know the exact timing.

[Brobi-wan]

Mannnn this makes me really feel like we don?t make a move at DC. Really hope I?m wrong there

My gut feeling says you’re wrong. Let’s hope that’s not just indigestion.

[Coach34]

Our DC hire is going to be critical for the success of the program, this has to work hand in hand with the portal acquisitions we can pull in, we wont become a top 5 defense overnight but we can hopefully become more flexible in our approach. We are bound to a scheme by lack of personnel right now and that has to change. personnel dictate what a team can run it would be nice to be more multiple with success.

To me- what is the most critical- is the defensive staff/analysts being able to spot talent that is not on everybody's radar- like Kiffin did with the D-II QB. We need to find some guys that can come in and play/provide quality depth that dont cost us alot. Moneyball if you will. That's going to be the key to building our rosters moving forward

[Tater]

To me- what is the most critical- is the defensive staff/analysts being able to spot talent that is not on everybody's radar- like Kiffin did with the D-II QB. We need to find some guys that can come in and play/provide quality depth that dont cost us alot. Moneyball if you will. That's going to be the key to building our rosters moving forward

It's crazy that the bare minimum in getting ahead here is just watching FCS and D2 playoffs. Which a scouting department should mandatorily watch and review film of. Then just tamper, there are no rules.

[Coursesuper]

It's crazy that the bare minimum in getting ahead here is just watching FCS and D2 playoffs. Which a scouting department should mandatorily watch and review film of. Then just tamper, there are no rules.

I'm glad that we have put more funding toward that part of the staff. It's frustrating that we haven't been fully funding every aspect since day one with this staff. I know we are building back and gaining new parts from a total meltdown, it's just tiresome seeing us still having to be reactive while we are desperately working to become proactive.

[SPMT]

We seem to be focusing on DC but if Lebby doesn?t also hire an OC of some sort, I feel the impulsive in game decisions will continue. He operates in many many games like I did in college playing NCAA football video games. Impulsive and with no calm logical thought. He needs to write situational calls and decisions on that Waffle House menu and follow it in game.

[basedog]

I don't have a problem with Lebby calling plays, it's who he is, but I would like to see a hire for assistant HC helping with decision makings mostly during games.

[TrapGame]

We seem to be focusing on DC but if Lebby doesn?t also hire an OC of some sort, I feel the impulsive in game decisions will continue. He operates in many many games like I did in college playing NCAA football video games. Impulsive and with no calm logical thought. He needs to write situational calls and decisions on that Waffle House menu and follow it in game.

If the Kendall Briles situation comes to fruition it will help Lebby a lot.

[BlackSailsDawg]

We seem to be focusing on DC but if Lebby doesn?t also hire an OC of some sort, I feel the impulsive in game decisions will continue. He operates in many many games like I did in college playing NCAA football video games. Impulsive and with no calm logical thought. He needs to write situational calls and decisions on that Waffle House menu and follow it in game.


I believe that's the difference in modern football and JWS days. Lebby is by far not the only coach to do these things. It's all based on analytics. If it point to going for it on 4th down, then they are going for it playing the odds. Deboer did it vs Auburn. Inside Auburn's 10. tied 20 to 20 with less than 3 minutes left. His options were chip shot inside the 10 or go for it. He went and they scored. Lane did it on the road alot. One game was vs OU. On his on 25. He did not make it.

Think about it like this. If you are averaging 6 yards per carry in game, and it's 4th and 3... Punt or go for it are the option. Everything points towards going for it.

[KB21]

I believe that's the difference in modern football and JWS days. Lebby is by far not the only coach to do these things. It's all based on analytics. If it point to going for it on 4th down, then they are going for it playing the odds. Deboer did it vs Auburn. Inside Auburn's 10. tied 20 to 20 with less than 3 minutes left. His options were chip shot inside the 10 or go for it. He went and they scored. Lane did it on the road alot. One game was vs OU. On his on 25. He did not make it.

Think about it like this. If you are averaging 6 yards per carry in game, and it's 4th and 3... Punt or go for it are the option. Everything points towards going for it.

This, and I hope Jeff Lebby never gets rid of this mindset. Analytics helps you make decisions that can win you the game. Conventional wisdom helps you make decisions that won't lose you the game.

[PGHBulldogBG]

I believe that's the difference in modern football and JWS days. Lebby is by far not the only coach to do these things. It's all based on analytics. If it point to going for it on 4th down, then they are going for it playing the odds. Deboer did it vs Auburn. Inside Auburn's 10. tied 20 to 20 with less than 3 minutes left. His options were chip shot inside the 10 or go for it. He went and they scored. Lane did it on the road alot. One game was vs OU. On his on 25. He did not make it.

Think about it like this. If you are averaging 6 yards per carry in game, and it's 4th and 3... Punt or go for it are the option. Everything points towards going for it.

I would potentially be more willing to agree with this if we had the same talent level as upper tier SEC teams. Unfortunately, we do not fit into that category. If we make mistakes such as missing 4th downs and turnovers, we are not winning games with our talent deficiency.

[Tater]

Analytics wins out over the long-haul. Gut feel / momentum / game flow dictate who wins individual games.

That's why Analytics helped teams have great regular seasons in MLB. (See the Sabremetrics making the As good enough to make the postseason) But the analytics and winning over time get beaten up by "Small Sample Size".

To bring it back on topic - that's why I'm glad to hear that OC change may be coming. Would be stunned at anything before this class wraps up being announced (So Friday likely starts a lot of official shuffling on the coordinator front and Sunday/Monday will be very busy - weird how this is like the NFL draft firing GMs right after the draft because that's the smartest time in the cycle.

[shoeless joe]

This, and I hope Jeff Lebby never gets rid of this mindset. Analytics helps you make decisions that can win you the game. Conventional wisdom helps you make decisions that won't lose you the game.

not to totally derail...but the problem with analytics is that it doesn't account for the human element and all the variables, just like in baseball.

examples from egg bowl right off the top of my head: KT runs for his life on his second TD. he's obviously gassed and is huffing and puffing looking to the sideline for the two point call. so we run a roll out run/pass option.
very similar to when fluff busts a long run up our sideline going toward north endzone...i forget the quarter but it was when we were still in the game. then we hand it to him on the very next play and he has nothing to give.
these are dumb situational calls.

from the arkansas game: KT just scored on 2/3 possesions and had a nice drive on the one he didn't score on. the ability to use the QB as a runner opened up the run game AND the pass game. so we bring shapen in and he immediately turns it over (i know it wasn't his fault as it was a tipped ball the technically should have been caught).

point is these are just 3 decisions that at the time they were happening were no brainer poor in game decisions and i'm not even talking about 4th downs.

again, sorry to derail but your constantly acting like none of Lebby's decisions should be questioned and that is a maroon blind way of looking at it. i'm pro Lebby, as of now, and 100% think he should be back next year and i enjoy the potential his offense brings. but damn he definitely should be questioned about multiple mind numbing in game situational decisions.

[BlackSailsDawg]

On Durkin. Something will be decided today on the part of Auburn. Golesh set a 24 hour time frame for Durkin per 247 Auburn. IT's close to that time frame. Even if we are not in contact, we need to get a DC before they are pretty much taken. White is already off the board.

[CaptainObvious]

On Durkin. Something will be decided today on the part of Auburn. Golesh set a 24 hour time frame for Durkin per 247 Auburn. IT's close to that time frame. Even if we are not in contact, we need to get a DC before they are pretty much taken. White is already off the board.

That is my concern. All the good ones taken by the new head coaches. Then we get down to a limited pool that may not be any better than Hutzler, and??.

[BlackSailsDawg]

That is my concern. All the good ones taken by the new head coaches. Then we get down to a limited pool that may not be any better than Hutzler, and??.


Always a concern

[Hot Rock]

all I have to say to the limited pool topic is $$$$ talks and BS walks.

[Coach34]

On Durkin. Something will be decided today on the part of Auburn. Golesh set a 24 hour time frame for Durkin per 247 Auburn. IT's close to that time frame. Even if we are not in contact, we need to get a DC before they are pretty much taken. White is already off the board.

Auburn supposedly has offered him $3MM to stay

[Hot Rock]

Auburn supposedly has offered him $3MM to stay

I guess we will find out how serious State is about getting him. There will have to be a bunch of NIL as well.

[Tater]

I guess we will find out how serious State is about getting him. There will have to be a bunch of NIL as well.

State hasn't made a serious run at him. So when you inevitably end up disappointed remember that the rumor about us going after him came from OM 247. Somehow we trust them on our searches when you can't even trust them on their own searches. Insanity.

[StarkVegasSteve]

State hasn't made a serious run at him. So when you inevitably end up disappointed remember that the rumor about us going after him came from OM 247. Somehow we trust them on our searches when you can't even trust them on their own searches. Insanity.

Yep. They tried to first spin the narrative that Womack was overrated and then when that was disproven they changed the narrative to the only reason we got him was because Durkin was coming to be the DC.

DJ may very well end up being the DC, but Bralan flipping to us has nothing to do with that. We never gave up in his recruitment and when Freeze was fired Lebby, Barnes, and our boosters turned up the heat on him.

[DEDawg]

So where are we on Briles?

[StarkVegasSteve]

So where are we on Briles?

I would not expect anything on that until after NSD and it could be after their bowl game. I really don't know the timing for that deal.

[BlackSailsDawg]

So where are we on Briles?

TCU will get a bowl game. Looks like no later than Jan 2nd. I am not sure how that plays out for him or us.

[StarkVegasSteve]

TCU will get a bowl game. Looks like no later than Jan 2nd. I am not sure how that plays out for him or us.

The good news is that you're not really firing an OC because Lebby calls the plays. You can bring Kendall in whenever you want and not really miss a beat.

[Chuck3124]

So with Durkin staying at Auburn now where do we pivot to now?

[Hot Rock]

State hasn't made a serious run at him. So when you inevitably end up disappointed remember that the rumor about us going after him came from OM 247. Somehow we trust them on our searches when you can't even trust them on their own searches. Insanity.

Sounds right.

[Really Clark?]

So with Durkin staying at Auburn now where do we pivot to now?

There is no pivot. That imply's we were in negotiations and now have to go back to the drawing board. Durkin was nothing more that message board fodder and he has been negotiating with Auburn.

[Goldendawg]

That is my concern. All the good ones taken by the new head coaches. Then we get down to a limited pool that may not be any better than Hutzler, and??.

Would be difficult to hire a less qualified DC candidate than Hutzler, a former ST/LB coach from bama. Would be like hiring a former career RB coach(College and NFL), from bama to be our HC! Wait, never mind!****

[Tater]

There is no pivot. That imply's we were in negotiations and now have to go back to the drawing board. Durkin was nothing more that message board fodder and he has been negotiating with Auburn.

Exactly. Saying pivot means you bought the lie @ Chuck, are you dumb? If not, then why did you buy the most obvious PR spin attempt by OM hook line and sinker.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Exactly. Saying pivot means you bought the lie @ Chuck, are you dumb? If not, then why did you buy the most obvious PR spin attempt by OM hook line and sinker.

Glad we were hearing the same thing. I was really confused last night where everyone was getting that it was a done deal. Had 3-4 texts saying we were pretty far down the road and the only thing I ever heard was that Chase Parham and Chuck Rounsaville were saying that the Womack commitment meant Durkin was coming, which like I said, it never did.

[Tater]

Glad we were hearing the same thing. I was really confused last night where everyone was getting that it was a done deal. Had 3-4 texts saying we were pretty far down the road and the only thing I ever heard was that Chase Parham and Chuck Rounsaville were saying that the Womack commitment meant Durkin was coming, which like I said, it never did.

All I ever heard. Well I also heard without hearing cause usually once it's leaked elsewhere people feel a little more comfortable. Folks being pretty adamant we hadn't had communication with him made me believe they knew it was bullshit and they know another name is in target; however, the all clear hasn't been given to share it yet. Tight lipped ship.

[StarkVegasSteve]

All I ever heard. Well I also heard without hearing cause usually once it's leaked elsewhere people feel a little more comfortable. Folks being pretty adamant we hadn't had communication with him made me believe they knew it was bullshit and they know another name is in target; however, the all clear hasn't been given to share it yet. Tight lipped ship.

Same. I think we've got 1-2 main targets. I've been told 5-6 names but none with any level of confidence that it's close to getting done.