Where Things Stand Currently

[StarkVegasSteve]

Things are not exactly peachy at the Bryan Building right now. I am not saying that we are firing Lebby or that those types conversations have even been broached, but there are some VERY uncomfortable conversations happening in the Bryan Building tonight and into the weekend.

Again, I am in no way saying that those types of conversations have even been broached. But if you told me we fired Jeff Lebby this weekend, it would not catch me completely off guard.

There are already going to be major staff changes made, that I can confirm. David Turner is retiring. I have that one confirmed by 5 or 6 people who would know. Corey Bell is not being retained. Same 5 or 6 people confirmed that one. I cannot get an absolute confirmation on Hutzler being let go, but signs were pointing the way as of early this weekend. On the offensive side, there is a lot of smoke in Ft Worth that Sonny Dykes will either be let go or step down after their game tomorrow. I have that on pretty good authority with some people in the DFW area. If/When that happens, I expect we will offer Kendall Briles the OC/QB coach with complete play calling autonomy. I also fully expect Cliff Odom is let go in the coming days and that one has been in the works since the end of October.

Like I stated earlier, I am not saying that Lebby is being let go. But I sure as hell would not want to be in his chair in the coming days.

[cheewgumm]

Just get Mullen and let him train KaMario for 3 years.

We?ve seen that movie and it was great.

[Activated Alpha]

As he should. If we are going to have to hire 1st time HC with 0 experience let alone an SEC HC job, then he needs assistance on his job. And I?m not talking about just money. Lebby needs to act like a HC and start making some decisions that propels State football forward

[Activated Alpha]

Just get Mullen and let him train KaMario for 3 years.

We?ve seen that movie and it was great.

I do not doubt he could coach the hell out of KT, but all I can see is him smiling on the sideline chuckling while another QB of ours has an open ankle fracture

[Quaoarsking]

Bro don't tease me like this

[HoopsDawg]

Lebby is not going anywhere. This is a fact.

Changes will be made. This is obvious.

[EdwardDrayton]

The steam will bleed off. Lebby will stay. We will have an OC. We need a fresh DL pull in the portal and that will help the secondary. If this plays out, it's all good.

[Coursesuper]

Things are not exactly peachy at the Bryan Building right now. I am not saying that we are firing Lebby or that those types conversations have even been broached, but there are some VERY uncomfortable conversations happening in the Bryan Building tonight and into the weekend.

Again, I am in no way saying that those types of conversations have even been broached. But if you told me we fired Jeff Lebby this weekend, it would not catch me completely off guard.

There are already going to be major staff changes made, that I can confirm. David Turner is retiring. I have that one confirmed by 5 or 6 people who would know. Corey Bell is not being retained. Same 5 or 6 people confirmed that one. I cannot get an absolute confirmation on Hutzler being let go, but signs were pointing the way as of early this weekend. On the offensive side, there is a lot of smoke in Ft Worth that Sonny Dykes will either be let go or step down after their game tomorrow. I have that on pretty good authority with some people in the DFW area. If/When that happens, I expect we will offer Kendall Briles the OC/QB coach with complete play calling autonomy. I also fully expect Cliff Odom is let go in the coming days and that one has been in the works since the end of October.

Like I stated earlier, I am not saying that Lebby is being let go. But I sure as hell would not want to be in his chair in the coming days.

If we are going down this road we better already have our 17ing ducks in a row and have already been in constant contact with our main targets agents, have total funding in place for every aspect of the program from primary staff, support staff, nil and every other aspect of the program down to dish washers. This better have already been the most successful and effective super secret search ever conducted.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Bro don't tease me like this

Like I said, I do not think it gets to the firing point, because I do not believe those conversations have even occurred. But today was not good, and we have some big money boosters who would rather go 1-11 and beat OM than 11-1 with a loss to them.

[msstate7]

I wish we'd invest in scouting. We need guys that can find the undervalued guys. We need to spend on LOS and KT. Lebby has a real eye for wr talent.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I wish we'd invest in scouting. We need guys that can find the undervalued guys. We need to spend on LOS and KT. Lebby has a real eye for wr talent.

There has been a 3 million dollar investment into that moving forward. Thank Bo McKinnis and Co.

[BankerDog]

I wish we'd invest in scouting. We need guys that can find the undervalued guys. We need to spend on LOS and KT. Lebby has a real eye for wr talent.

This^

Where is Pat Austin now? He had Mullen rolling

[Coursesuper]

There has been a 3 million dollar investment into that moving forward. Thank Bo McKinnis and Co.

If he weren’t such a successful agent he would have been one hell of an AD. We are fortunate to have him involved now.

[DawgFromOxford]

Do or die next season for Lebby. He better get these hires and portal Evals right

[Todd4State]

Just get Mullen and let him train KaMario for 3 years.

We?ve seen that movie and it was great.

Yeah. Those Egg Bowl losses in 2014-2015 were great.**

[cheewgumm]

Are you saying Lebby is better?

[Todd4State]

Like I said, I do not think it gets to the firing point, because I do not believe those conversations have even occurred. But today was not good, and we have some big money boosters who would rather go 1-11 and beat OM than 11-1 with a loss to them.

Why would we be bringing in Kendall Briles if we're going to fire Lebby?

The only way I would fire Lebby would be if someone like Saban was begging for our job. I highly doubt that's the case.

[Todd4State]

Are you saying Lebby is better?

Overall as a coach? No. But if your point is being better you might as well hire someone better than Dan Mullen.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Why would we be bringing in Kendall Briles if we're going to fire Lebby?

The only way I would fire Lebby would be if someone like Saban was begging for our job. I highly doubt that's the case.

I literally said I do not know that those conversations are even being broached. I know there are some uncomfortable conversations going on and if Lebby was fired I would not be floored. But I do not believe he will. I KNOW that when/if Dykes is let go at TCU, Briles will be on the way to Starkville. And if that does not happen, Lebby is going to have to find an OC. Plain and Simple.

[cheewgumm]

Maybe we can get Saban

[Coursesuper]

I literally said I do not know that those conversations are even being broached. I know there are some uncomfortable conversations going on and if Lebby was fired I would not be floored. But I do not believe he will. I KNOW that when/if Dykes is let go at TCU, Briles will be on the way to Starkville. And if that does not happen, Lebby is going to have to find an OC. Plain and Simple.

Who gets moved off the staff, we are maxed out staff wise. Need to get rid of 1 to hire an OC?

[gtowndawg]

Keenum and Selmon ain't going to do anything expect talk "tuf" knowing good and well another year of bad football is headed our way. They're both clueless and Lebby....is just Lebby.

But we will win some baseball games dad gum it!

[Todd4State]

Who gets moved off the staff, we are maxed out staff wise. Need to get rid of 1 to hire an OC?

I'm guessing we could move our QB coach to an off the field spot or hire a special teams coach that can also coach another position?

It's going to take some figuring out to do.

[Homedawg]

Things are not exactly peachy at the Bryan Building right now. I am not saying that we are firing Lebby or that those types conversations have even been broached, but there are some VERY uncomfortable conversations happening in the Bryan Building tonight and into the weekend.

Again, I am in no way saying that those types of conversations have even been broached. But if you told me we fired Jeff Lebby this weekend, it would not catch me completely off guard.

There are already going to be major staff changes made, that I can confirm. David Turner is retiring. I have that one confirmed by 5 or 6 people who would know. Corey Bell is not being retained. Same 5 or 6 people confirmed that one. I cannot get an absolute confirmation on Hutzler being let go, but signs were pointing the way as of early this weekend. On the offensive side, there is a lot of smoke in Ft Worth that Sonny Dykes will either be let go or step down after their game tomorrow. I have that on pretty good authority with some people in the DFW area. If/When that happens, I expect we will offer Kendall Briles the OC/QB coach with complete play calling autonomy. I also fully expect Cliff Odom is let go in the coming days and that one has been in the works since the end of October.

Like I stated earlier, I am not saying that Lebby is being let go. But I sure as hell would not want to be in his chair in the coming days.

Dude we aren't firing Lebby. Good grief. It's not remotely gonna happen. Stop.

[Todd4State]

Keenum and Selmon ain't going to do anything expect talk "tuf" knowing good and well another year of bad football is headed our way. They're both clueless and Lebby....is just Lebby.

But we will win some baseball games dad gum it!

I'll be honest- if Lebby comes back with a new DC that is legit and a new ST coach I can get on board with that. He'll still need to win more games to satisfy me and he'll still be on the hot seat but those changes would make me feel better.

[HoopsDawg]

Dude we aren't firing Lebby. Good grief. It's not remotely gonna happen. Stop.

Twilight Zone

[StarkVegasSteve]

Who gets moved off the staff, we are maxed out staff wise. Need to get rid of 1 to hire an OC?

Holocek.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Dude we aren't firing Lebby. Good grief. It's not remotely gonna happen. Stop.

Second sentence bud, “I am not saying we are firing Lebby or that those conversations are even being broached”

[ZedFedder]

Something to think on

Clark Lea was struggling early on at Vandy. Then he hired Jerry Kill and Diego Pavia tagged along. Now look. Coaching changes can make big impacts.

[BigDawg81]

I don’t see Lebby giving away play calling duties

[EdwardDrayton]

I'm guessing we could move our QB coach to an off the field spot or hire a special teams coach that can also coach another position?

It's going to take some figuring out to do.

Selmon needs to help 'manage' these moves.

[EdwardDrayton]

I don’t see Lebby giving away play calling duties

That's why Selmon NEEDS to be in the mix.

[EdwardDrayton]

Something to think on

Clark Lea was struggling early on at Vandy. Then he hired Jerry Kill and Diego Pavia tagged along. Now look. Coaching changes can make big impacts.

He just got a new six year deal. So, yes.

[Activated Alpha]

Dude we aren't firing Lebby. Good grief. It's not remotely gonna happen. Stop.

I?m not saying it is going to happen, but OM went all in firing Houston Nutt in 11 after Mullen won 3 in a row. And Nutt was a much more accomplished coach than Lebby. Will it happen? No, but Lebby better damn feel the fire rising up around his feet

[Todd4State]

Something to think on

Clark Lea was struggling early on at Vandy. Then he hired Jerry Kill and Diego Pavia tagged along. Now look. Coaching changes can make big impacts.

Yeah. I don't think Clark Lea is exactly Andy Reid either.

[DEDawg]

Like I said, I do not think it gets to the firing point, because I do not believe those conversations have even occurred. But today was not good, and we have some big money boosters who would rather go 1-11 and beat OM than 11-1 with a loss to them.
If they hate losing to Ole Miss so much then put front the same amount they do for a roster

[Todd4State]

Anyone hearing anything about Will Muschamp as the DC?

And no, Bo Bounds isn't my source.

[EdwardDrayton]

Yeah. I don't think Clark Lea is exactly Andy Reid either.

Yeah well Jeff Lebby ain't exactly Clark Lea or Andy Reid either. Yet anyway.

[War Machine Dawg]

If we're making these staff changes, count me enthusiastically in for one more year for Lebby. Need to make sure the DC, DL, and OL coach hires are all top notch. Where's Hev nowadays? Throw an OL Brinks truck at him to get him back. I don't care if he doesn't want to recruit, the sumbitch can flat coach an OL.

[TrapGame]

Anyone hearing anything about Will Muschamp as the DC?

And no, Bo Bounds isn't my source.

I thought Will had taken a step back and really liked being at Georgia as an analyst.

Does he have the coaching bug again?

That would be huge.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Anyone hearing anything about Will Muschamp as the DC?

And no, Bo Bounds isn't my source.

Will is done coaching and calling plays. He also would not come and replace a guy who was his STC at USCe

[shoeless joe]

Everything OP listed was obvious after game 6 of the season.

Lebbys offense can work. He needs an OC. We need help in the trenches. We need to upgrade some coordinator/position coaches. I’d be all aboard once that happens. But results are needed next season. Results in conference.

[Homedawg]

Anyone hearing anything about Will Muschamp as the DC?

And no, Bo Bounds isn't my source.

Shit I hope not. I haven't heard any names yet. But don't like that one.

[CaptainObvious]

Like I said, I do not think it gets to the firing point, because I do not believe those conversations have even occurred. But today was not good, and we have some big money boosters who would rather go 1-11 and beat OM than 11-1 with a loss to them.

Not only 3 straight losses but 4 of the last 5 and 3 straight losses in OUR Home Field! The first 3 game streak by the Rebs since 2002-2004. Just unacceptable no matter what your beginning of the season goals are!

[CaptainObvious]

Keenum and Selmon ain't going to do anything expect talk "tuf" knowing good and well another year of bad football is headed our way. They're both clueless and Lebby....is just Lebby.

But we will win some baseball games dad gum it!

Thank goodness for baseball!

[Todd4State]

Will is done coaching and calling plays. He also would not come and replace a guy who was his STC at USCe

Those are some good points. I think we're in the wish list phase of changes.

We'll probably end up with Joe Jon Finley, Golding or some other DC like the guy at Wazzu, and an up and coming Sun Belt STC.

[Bdawg]

Like I said, I do not think it gets to the firing point, because I do not believe those conversations have even occurred. But today was not good, and we have some big money boosters who would rather go 1-11 and beat OM than 11-1 with a loss to them.

I?ll take anything to piss the money guys off and make them give.

[Coursesuper]

I?ll take anything to piss the money guys off and make them give.

They are, that’s who was meeting with the AD. I can confirm what SVS is saying now.

[Brobi-wan]

Hell yeah! I’m all here for getting out of complacency

[Bdawg]

Delete

[Quaoarsking]

Is there a sitting P4 head coach we could plausibly poach? Dickert? Maybe Fritz?

Any chance Sitake would leave his alma mater for an SEC job?

[Bdawg]

They are, that’s who was meeting with the AD. I can confirm what SVS is saying now.

Shame we are reactive and not proactive

[Coursesuper]

Is there a sitting P4 head coach we could plausibly poach? Dickert? Maybe Fritz?

Any chance Sitake would leave his alma mater for an SEC job?

HC is not part of the equation, likely completely changing defensive side of the ball.

[Bdawg]

HC is not part of the equation, likely completely changing defensive side of the ball.

It just needs to happen. Not sure it’s all Huztler fault but some of our position coaches need to go. Hutz didn’t need to be learning on the job along with a new head coach. We needed some experience to go with Lebby

[Quaoarsking]

HC is not part of the equation, likely completely changing defensive side of the ball.

That's silly. If you trust a guy to be the head coach, don't micromanage him. Let him make the personnel decisions and live with the consequences.

[Todd4State]

It just needs to happen. Not sure it’s all Huztler fault but some of our position coaches need to go. Hutz didn’t need to be learning on the job along with a new head coach. We needed some experience to go with Lebby

My biggest issue with the defense this year was we got worse as the year went along.

That and I have no idea why in the hell they let Turner come back.

[Coursesuper]

That's silly. If you trust a guy to be the head coach, don't micromanage him. Let him make the personnel decisions and live with the consequences.

Well they are paying for it and are trying to be just a hair proactive.

[Todd4State]

That's silly. If you trust a guy to be the head coach, don't micromanage him. Let him make the personnel decisions and live with the consequences.

Things are much more organizational now. Gone are the days of Bear Bryant running the entire show.

[Todd4State]

Well they are paying for it and are trying to be just a hair proactive.

Thank God

[Quaoarsking]

Well they are paying for it and are trying to be just a hair proactive.

If Lebby wants to change DCs and is asking them to pay for the guy he wants, then fine. But if Lebby wants to keep Hutzler, then he should be able to do that. It's just that Lebby and Hutz will both suffer the consequences if he can't cut it next year.

I don't like the idea of boosters forcing a coach to do it their way. Pick the coach and let him do it how he wants to.

[Coursesuper]

If Lebby wants to change DCs and is asking them to pay for the guy he wants, then fine. But if Lebby wants to keep Hutzler, then he should be able to do that. It's just that Lebby and Hutz will both suffer the consequences if he can't cut it next year.

I don't like the idea of boosters forcing a coach to do it their way. Pick the coach and let him do it how he wants to.

There is a real world that you are missing out on.

[Quaoarsking]

There is a real world that you are missing out on.

If Lebby has to be told to change DCs, then how can anyone funding the program have any faith in him?

[CaptainObvious]

If Lebby has to be told to change DCs, then how can anyone funding the program have any faith in him?

It if the financiers tell the AD to tell Lebby to fire the defensive staff or they withhold funding the department, and then the AD tells them to stick it where the sun don?t shine, we will be looking for an AD and a new Coaching Staff!

[Coursesuper]

If Lebby has to be told to change DCs, then how can anyone funding the program have any faith in him?

Dude the black and white world you are searching for doesn’t exist. It’s all shades of gray and that’s the way it is. You have a hard on for the guy and that is entirely your purgative.

[CaptainObvious]

It if the financiers tell the AD to tell Lebby to fire the defensive staff or they withhold funding the department, and then the AD tells them to stick it where the sun don?t shine, we will be looking for an AD and a new Coaching Staff!

As it should be.

[Bothrops]

Why would we be bringing in Kendall Briles if we're going to fire Lebby?

The only way I would fire Lebby would be if someone like Saban was begging for our job. I highly doubt that's the case.

We have always been the apple of Saban's eye!

[BeardoMSU]

Like I said, I do not think it gets to the firing point, because I do not believe those conversations have even occurred. But today was not good, and we have some big money boosters who would rather go 1-11 and beat OM than 11-1 with a loss to them.

Well, that's ****ing stupid. 11-1 we'd be in the GD playoffs...like OM.

[Brobi-wan]

If Lebby has to be told to change DCs, then how can anyone funding the program have any faith in him?

Keith Carter gave KIFFIN a time frame and said “by this date.” You think we aren’t telling Lebby who to hire?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Well, that's ****ing stupid. 11-1 we'd be in the GD playoffs...like OM.

I mean it starts at the top with a president who would MUCH RATHER beat OM than have a good season.And I mean fair or not, we have a lot of boosters that grew up where beating OM was the season. We were both usually around the same record so that is how a successful season was judged.

[Todd4State]

I mean it starts at the top with a president who would MUCH RATHER beat OM than have a good season.And I mean fair or not, we have a lot of boosters that grew up where beating OM was the season. We were both usually around the same record so that is how a successful season was judged.

Devil's advocate here. How much better would 2014 and 2015 for that matter have been with an Egg Bowl victory?

[PGHBulldogBG]

I will fully admit I might not fully get the Ole Miss hate because I don?t live in the area, but I would rather win 9 or 10 games like we did in 2024,2015,2017 and 2022 than beat ole Miss and be terrible

[Todd4State]

I will fully admit I might not fully get the Ole Miss hate because I don?t live in the area, but I would rather win 9 or 10 games like we did in 2024,2015,2017 and 2022 than beat ole Miss and be terrible

My preference is to have an 9-10 win season and win the Egg Bowl. It has happened before. 1980, 1999, 2010, 2022

[HoopsDawg]

Its simple but not easy. Get a better staff and better players and we will win. Lebby isnt perfect but he is good enough to win with equal or close to equal talent.

[Turfdawg67]

Dude we aren't firing Lebby. Good grief. It's not remotely gonna happen. Stop.

He literally said... "I am not saying that we are firing Lebby or that those types conversations have even been broached" WTF??

[StarkVegasSteve]

Devil's advocate here. How much better would 2014 and 2015 for that matter have been with an Egg Bowl victory?

In 14 you finish 11-1 and are either the first team out of the playoffs or the last team in

In 15 you finish 9-3 and go to the Sugar Bowl.

Those types years are kind of what I was talking about with the years OM and us were the same, that is how we judged a successful season.

[Turfdawg67]

My preference is to have an 9-10 win season and win the Egg Bowl. It has happened before. 1980, 1999, 2010, 2022

Look how spread out those years are, 42 between number 1 and 4... sad and pathetic. OM just did that in 2023, 2024 and 2025.

[Lance Harbor]

If we're making these staff changes, count me enthusiastically in for one more year for Lebby. Need to make sure the DC, DL, and OL coach hires are all top notch. Where's Hev nowadays? Throw an OL Brinks truck at him to get him back. I don't care if he doesn't want to recruit, the sumbitch can flat coach an OL.

This is peak insanity

[StarkVegasSteve]

This is peak insanity

Man, Hev had some damn good lines. He was an asshole to players and fans alike but he could field an OL and we never had bad OLs with him. His players also would run through a brick wall for him. Hell he took a line of an MAIS walk on, 2 MAIS 3 stars, a 3 star from Louisiana, and a 3 star from Mobile and they were one of the best lines in the country.

[War Machine Dawg]

Man, Hev had some damn good lines. He was an asshole to players and fans alike but he could field an OL and we never had bad OLs with him. His players also would run through a brick wall for him. Hell he took a line of an MAIS walk on, 2 MAIS 3 stars, a 3 star from Louisiana, and a 3 star from Mobile and they were one of the best lines in the country.

Exactly. He made walk-on Ben Beckwith an All-SEC caliber player. Games are won and lost in the trenches. An OL coach the quality of Hev is worth 1-2 wins. I don't care how many people he pisses off. That's pretty much every good offensive line coach ever. They're a different breed.

[Maverick91]

According to SECrant as of last year. There is a photo of Heb in a Lowe's uniform working. If that is true kinda crazy.

[Cowbell]

Keith Carter gave KIFFIN a time frame and said “by this date.” You think we aren’t telling Lebby who to hire?

Keith Carter did no such thing.

[DownwardDawg]

According to SECrant as of last year. There is a photo of Heb in a Lowe's uniform working. If that is true kinda crazy.

Oh yeah. That's been known a while. He's a happy Lowe's employee and that's awesome for him. I bet Mullen could get him back!!! Haha

[confucius say]

Anyone hearing anything about Will Muschamp as the DC?

And no, Bo Bounds isn't my source.

I'd rather hire Ron Roberts

[confucius say]

I would be surprised if we announced any changes before signing day December 3

[1eyedog]

Yeah. Those Egg Bowl losses in 2014-2015 were great.**

especially 14....geeeeze

[Brobi-wan]

I would be surprised if we announced any changes before signing day December 3

Yeah, we really want to keep this 45th ranked class together***

[Todd4State]

I'd rather hire Ron Roberts

I think Roberts would be very good for us honestly. He has head coaching experience too at Delta State and SELU. And honestly, if things go a certain way at Ole Miss I'd try for Pete Golding.

[Bothrops]

Yeah, we really want to keep this 45th ranked class together***

Haha

[maroonmania]

If Lebby wants to change DCs and is asking them to pay for the guy he wants, then fine. But if Lebby wants to keep Hutzler, then he should be able to do that. It's just that Lebby and Hutz will both suffer the consequences if he can't cut it next year.

I don't like the idea of boosters forcing a coach to do it their way. Pick the coach and let him do it how he wants to.

If Hutzler is back Lebby is going to lose a lot of financial support including mine. A totally green DC should have never been hired to begin with to go along with a totally green HC. Would have been MUCH better off hiring a successful G5 DC from somewhere. He is probably getting better and was provided significant help this year with analysts but he should have never gotten the job to begin with. And beyond his coaching the biggest issue is that he is unable to attract any real difference makers out of the portal or get any big time defensive recruits out of HS. Lockhart from Tupelo is the only good defensive recruit I can think of we've gotten while he has been here but one isn't going to cut it. Our staff in general just isn't on par with even the mid-level SEC teams. We had good enough players to have won at least 7 games this season.

[Really Clark?]

If Hutzler is back Lebby is going to lose a lot of financial support including mine. A totally green DC should have never been hired to begin with to go along with a totally green HC. Would have been MUCH better off hiring a successful G5 DC from somewhere. He is probably getting better and was provided significant help this year with analysts but he should have never gotten the job to begin with. And beyond his coaching the biggest issue is that he is unable to attract any real difference makers out of the portal or get any big time defensive recruits out of HS. Lockhart from Tupelo is the only good defensive recruit I can think of we've gotten while he has been here but one isn't going to cut it. Our staff in general just isn't on par with even the mid-level SEC teams. We had good enough players to have won at least 7 games this season.

I kinda disagree, he did get a difference maker from the portal. He just happen to be lost for the year in Game 2. We needed depth and difference makers. We got some depth and 1 real difference maker. Who would have made the entire line more explosive. Did we need more? Absolutely but most of that was a function of our NIL budget.

[maroonmania]

I kinda disagree, he did get a difference maker from the portal. He just happen to be lost for the year in Game 2. We needed depth and difference makers. We got some depth and 1 real difference maker. Who would have made the entire line more explosive. Did we need more? Absolutely but most of that was a function of our NIL budget.

Whitson was hurt most of the year before at Coastal. Good player but came to us with an injury history. Problem is with Hutzler, we have to pay above market value because he has no track record. I mean I guess we can just continually blame all our woes on the NIL budget and not hold coaches accountable and be the loveable losers of the SEC. I mean our NIL budget was significantly increased last year. Seriously, make excuses all you want for Hutzler but he couldn't have gotten a DC job anywhere else in the SEC and that's just a fact. I was shocked and disappointed when Lebby hired him. Coaching at Alabama where players flow in by the truckload is not the same as coaching at State and is really not the same as coaching at most places.

[CaptainObvious]

Soooooo??where do things stand currently?

[Really Clark?]

Whitson was hurt most of the year before at Coastal. Good player but came to us with an injury history. Problem is with Hutzler, we have to pay above market value because he has no track record. I mean I guess we can just continually blame all our woes on the NIL budget and not hold coaches accountable and be the loveable losers of the SEC. I mean our NIL budget was significantly increased last year. Seriously, make excuses all you want for Hutzler but he couldn't have gotten a DC job anywhere else in the SEC and that's just a fact. I was shocked and disappointed when Lebby hired him. Coaching at Alabama where players flow in by the truckload is not the same as coaching at State and is really not the same as coaching at most places.

Our budget was increased, still was the bottom third of the league and it showed as the season went on. Lack of SEC depth showed its self. A couple of injuries significantly impacted the team. Look I'm more than fine bringing in another DC. Heck I questioned pairing a rookie HC with a rookie DC when we hired him. Just I'm not going to say he didn't bring in some players and I'm not going to be naive and say another DC would have done much more with our budget. Especially on the DL where we had the biggest issue.

[KB21]

If Jeff wants to give up play calling and bring in Briles, then OK. However, there is no reason to force Jeff to give up play calling. His play calling isn?t even remotely an issue.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Soooooo??where do things stand currently?

Nothing has really changed in the last 14 hours. I was told last night that Selmon and Lebby met for a couple of hours after the game to go over things and will meet again either today or tomorrow to further discuss the plan moving forward.

There is a group of boosters that believe they can get Mullen. I do not believe that to be true based on someone talked to last night in regards to Dan. But that is where I was getting my comment about, “I would not be floored if we moved off Lebby.” Because if we do it, then we have an agreement with Dan.

Now do I think that will happen, no. I have pretty good sourcing when it comes to Dan and I do not see him moving until Cannon graduates. There may be a world where he could play at a prep school for a year or two, I know this was discussed when he was at Lake Oconee. I know a lot of people have pointed to the money thing at UNLV, but if they truly were in a bind they could get him paid. They would probably have to call Lorenzo or Frank Fertitta but that would get it done in about 10 seconds.

[StarkVegasSteve]

If Jeff wants to give up play calling and bring in Briles, then OK. However, there is no reason to force Jeff to give up play calling. His play calling isn?t even remotely an issue.

His play calling is not the issue. You are correct. The problem is, and it has even become evident to him, is that he still is operating like an OC. He is missing stuff in prep and in game that is costing us games.

[Maverick91]

Oh yeah. That's been known a while. He's a happy Lowe's employee and that's awesome for him. I bet Mullen could get him back!!! Haha

Honestly happy for him. He had good money for awhile and now just gets to clock in. The dream

[TrapGame]

His play calling is not the issue. You are correct. The problem is, and it has even become evident to him, is that he still is operating like an OC. He is missing stuff in prep and in game that is costing us games.

If Lebby has realized it then that's a good thing. He certainly isn't as hardheaded as some are making him out to be.

[KB21]

His play calling is not the issue. You are correct. The problem is, and it has even become evident to him, is that he still is operating like an OC. He is missing stuff in prep and in game that is costing us games.

I was told last night that we have a big offer on the table for an established defensive coordinator. I?m still in I will see it to believe it stage in this, but this was told to me by the same guy that told me BOC was getting the baseball job well before it ever happened.

[StarkVegasSteve]

If Lebby has realized it then that's a good thing. He certainly isn't as hardheaded as some are making him out to be.

I will hold my judgement in that regard to see what he does in regards to staff changes.

[Dawgology]

Just get Mullen and let him train KaMario for 3 years.

We?ve seen that movie and it was great.

This. Get him a good NIL money rolling in and let him get us back to bowl games. Just place in his contract a non-compete clause . If he or his agent start shopping him out before the end of the season it reduces his contract salary.

[TrapGame]

I will hold my judgement in that regard to see what he does in regards to staff changes.

Well, if he defends Hutz to the bitter end then I take it all back.

That's my cut off. I am still on the Lebby train but if he makes a stink about keeping Hutz, I'm out. He needs to go at that point.

Put some boosters and Selmon on a jet to Vegas to see what it would take to get Mullen to come back and clean this mess up.

If Dan agrees to come back then he gets Dak to call Kamario and a few of our top offensive guys to get them to stay.

[maroonmania]

I was told last night that we have a big offer on the table for an established defensive coordinator. I?m still in I will see it to believe it stage in this, but this was told to me by the same guy that told me BOC was getting the baseball job well before it ever happened.

Well, good to hear we are trying to get someone with a solid history. There is no reason to replace Hutzler with another Hutzler type hire. In that case we would be better off staying pat given Hutzler does at least have 2 years on the job now.

[KB21]

The pining for Dan Mullen is nauseating. I don?t want to slight him because he?s a good coach, but he?s not aggressive enough to win big in the NIL era. He?s too conservative with his approach and play calling.

[BankerDog]

Well, if he defends Hutz to the bitter end then I take it all back.

That's my cut off. I am still on the Lebby train but if he makes a stink about keeping Hutz, I'm out. He needs to go at that point.

Put some boosters and Selmon on a jet to Vegas to see what it would take to get Mullen to come back and clean this mess up.

If Dan agrees to come back then he gets Dak to call Kamario and a few of our top offensive guys to get them to stay.

What if I told you Dak was the one fronting Shapen?s NIL deal..

[msstate7]

The pining for Dan Mullen is nauseating. I don?t want to slight him because he?s a good coach, but he?s not aggressive enough to win big in the NIL era. He?s too conservative with his approach and play calling.

You know the discussion is here is mullen vs Lebby, which is no comparison. Mullen isn't coming back, but he would no doubt be a huge upgrade. Next year when we inevitably fire Lebby, it won't be Mullen though to replace him.

[BankerDog]

I was told last night that we have a big offer on the table for an established defensive coordinator. I?m still in I will see it to believe it stage in this, but this was told to me by the same guy that told me BOC was getting the baseball job well before it ever happened.

Try to pair him with Baker, Wes Goodwin, Ron English, Brent Pry, etc.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I was told last night that we have a big offer on the table for an established defensive coordinator. I?m still in I will see it to believe it stage in this, but this was told to me by the same guy that told me BOC was getting the baseball job well before it ever happened.

There is a deal on the table. I also know we are slow playing things a tad to see what happens at Auburn and LSU.

[msstate7]

There is a deal on the table. I also know we are slow playing things a tad to see what happens at Auburn and LSU.

We shouldn't slow play anything. All other jobs will be more attractive for a good DC once the slots are filled bc Lebby has the least job security entering next season. We need to lock a guy up ASAP

[StarkVegasSteve]

Try to pair him with Baker, Wes Goodwin, Ron English, Brent Pry, etc.

Or….and hear me out….Dave Arranda.

[DEDawg]

Whitson was hurt most of the year before at Coastal. Good player but came to us with an injury history. Problem is with Hutzler, we have to pay above market value because he has no track record. I mean I guess we can just continually blame all our woes on the NIL budget and not hold coaches accountable and be the loveable losers of the SEC. I mean our NIL budget was significantly increased last year. Seriously, make excuses all you want for Hutzler but he couldn't have gotten a DC job anywhere else in the SEC and that's just a fact. I was shocked and disappointed when Lebby hired him. Coaching at Alabama where players flow in by the truckload is not the same as coaching at State and is really not the same as coaching at most places.

You honestly think players take pay cuts to go play for certain coaches? No.

[StarkVegasSteve]

We shouldn't slow play anything. All other jobs will be more attractive for a good DC once the slots are filled bc Lebby has the least job security entering next season. We need to lock a guy up ASAP

So you would rather have Justin Wilcox than wait two days and get Blake Baker?

[Coursesuper]

Or….and hear me out….Dave Arranda.

That would be a very good move if that were to happen. Not only had talent but his defenses were always so sound fundamentally.

[KB21]

You know the discussion is here is mullen vs Lebby, which is no comparison. Mullen isn't coming back, but he would no doubt be a huge upgrade. Next year when we inevitably fire Lebby, it won't be Mullen though to replace him.

I?m still going to take Lebby?s upside and his aggressive mindset. I don?t want a coach who is going to try and sit on a 3 point lead with 10 minutes left in the game. I don?t want a coach who isn?t willing to go for it on 4th down.

[StarkVegasSteve]

That would be a very good move if that were to happen. Not only had talent but his defenses were always so sound fundamentally.

That is not who the offer is on the table for btw but I know his representation has been sending feelers out were it to happen

[DEDawg]

Is Arranda an actual possibility?

[Brobi-wan]

So you would rather have Justin Wilcox than wait two days and get Blake Baker?

Not at all. I was under the impression Baker was being retained though. Aranda would be a great hire and great PR for us. I will say, while OM is in turmoil, we do not need to throw ourselves into turmoil.

[Coursesuper]

Is Arranda an actual possibility?

His seat is very warm at Baylor.

[Coursesuper]

That is not who the offer is on the table for btw but I know his representation has been sending feelers out were it to happen

Yeah I heard about our offer, but if Aranda is a possibility we can wait a day or two.

[StarkVegasSteve]

His seat is very warm at Baylor.

Warm would be a massive understatement. They wanted him gone last year but he got hot and 5 out of his last 6.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Not at all. I was under the impression Baker was being retained though. Aranda would be a great hire and great PR for us. I will say, while OM is in turmoil, we do not need to throw ourselves into turmoil.

I’ve heard a lot of different things out of Baton Rouge. The last thing I heard last night was that Lane wanted to a clean slate. I know he is going to try to bring Pete with him, but I do not even see that being a possibility.

[Pancho]

Pete ain't leaving unless the family info we have is totally false.

[Coursesuper]

What if I told you Dak was the one fronting Shapen?s NIL deal..

Clean out your DM?s bro.

[TrapGame]

What if I told you Dak was the one fronting Shapen?s NIL deal..

So, Dak could write a check to keep our offensive starters?

[Pancho]

maybe dak can write a check for an entire OL and DL

[confucius say]

Baker would have way better options than us. Pipe dream. Don't pass on somebody good waiting on Baker.
Same for aranda.

[TrapGame]

If Clemson beats South Carolina then I expect Beamer to be fired.

I'd take South Carolina's DC. Hell, see if Beamer wants to run special teams and be asst. head coach.

[Todd4State]

Nothing has really changed in the last 14 hours. I was told last night that Selmon and Lebby met for a couple of hours after the game to go over things and will meet again either today or tomorrow to further discuss the plan moving forward.

There is a group of boosters that believe they can get Mullen. I do not believe that to be true based on someone talked to last night in regards to Dan. But that is where I was getting my comment about, ?I would not be floored if we moved off Lebby.? Because if we do it, then we have an agreement with Dan.

Now do I think that will happen, no. I have pretty good sourcing when it comes to Dan and I do not see him moving until Cannon graduates. There may be a world where he could play at a prep school for a year or two, I know this was discussed when he was at Lake Oconee. I know a lot of people have pointed to the money thing at UNLV, but if they truly were in a bind they could get him paid. They would probably have to call Lorenzo or Frank Fertitta but that would get it done in about 10 seconds.

Is this the Madison boosters?

Bringing Dan back would be a terrible move.

[Todd4State]

If Clemson beats South Carolina then I expect Beamer to be fired.

I'd take South Carolina's DC. Hell, see if Beamer wants to run special teams and be asst. head coach.

I'd take Beamer as ST coach. He has ties to MSU and Oklahoma so may have ties with Selmon.

[BankerDog]

Is this the Madison boosters?

Bringing Dan back would be a terrible move.

The Madison boys time is over. There are some new money guys that have sold some business over the last 18 months or so that have made some serious coin. One is a former player. It?s not Campbell at Tech money, but a nice chunk.

I?ll say this; our big money guys like Lenny the guy and think he is a heckuva offensive coach. Now it?s pairing him with a real deal DC and talent evaluator. Up to Lebby if he wants to take the offer and try to prove he has what it takes as a HC. Which I believe he does.

[TrapGame]

I'd take Beamer as ST coach. He has ties to MSU and Oklahoma so may have ties with Selmon.

He's Selmon's best friend. They go way back.

[BankerDog]

I'd take Beamer as ST coach. He has ties to MSU and Oklahoma so may have ties with Selmon.

Beamer is actually Selmon?s best friend; not Lebby as some love to say

[BankerDog]

Clean out your DM?s bro.

Done

[BankerDog]

maybe dak can write a check for an entire OL and DL

Fletcher is gonna be the one taking care of DL.

[BuckyIsAB****]

He has been told there has to be changes. He dont want to change them. We will see

[bulldawg28]

If Auburn doesn't hire DJ Durkin hire him as DC and if Lebby struggles next year promote him to be our HC.

[Brobi-wan]

If Auburn doesn't hire DJ Durkin hire him as DC and if Lebby struggles next year promote him to be our HC.

I have seen this episode before. I don’t want a remake.

[Cowbell]

He has been told there has to be changes. He dont want to change them. We will see

If he truly doesn't want to change things, I think you have to let him go

[bulldawg28]

I have seen this episode before. I don’t want a remake.

No, you haven't seen this at State. DJ Durkin is a legitimate coach.

[Quaoarsking]

No, you haven't seen this at State. DJ Durkin is a legitimate coach.

He went 10-15 (5-13) at Maryland and literally killed one of his players...

[Brobi-wan]

If he truly doesn't want to change things, I think you have to let him go

Now this I agree with.

[Saltydog]

Bringing Dan back would IMMEDIATELY fire up an uninspired fan base as it stands now. Plus, all his former NFL players would be stoked as well and probably get more involved. Cox, Sweat, Prescott, Simmons, Jones are all big money boys that would love to see Dan back.

[Quaoarsking]

Bringing Dan back would IMMEDIATELY fire up an uninspired fan base as it stands now. Plus, all his former NFL players would be stoked as well and probably get more involved. Cox, Sweat, Prescott, Simmons, Jones are all big money boys that would love to see Dan back.

No question about this. There is a wave of extreme pessimism, and even worse - apathy - reverberating through our fanbase right now. It's as bad as it's ever been, and a Dan Mullen return would be a huge shot in the arm. We desperately need it.

Even the fans who don't remember him as fondly as most of us will probably be able to convince themselves that Dan + Taylor = some fun few years ahead of us.

[Quaoarsking]

What was Dan's greatest weakness when he was here? Recruiting. I wouldn't call it "laziness" but he just wasn't going to kiss ass, even if it cost us a future NFL star who lived in Starkville.

That weakness is now neutralized. If NIL existed back then, every recruiting battle would have just come down to whatever NIL we offered. Mullen would have still been good at finding undervalued players.

[Todd4State]

Bringing Dan back would IMMEDIATELY fire up an uninspired fan base as it stands now. Plus, all his former NFL players would be stoked as well and probably get more involved. Cox, Sweat, Prescott, Simmons, Jones are all big money boys that would love to see Dan back.

Or it would completely split the fan base. Bringing back coaches for a round two historically hasn't worked as well as the first round.

[Thick]

What was Dan's greatest weakness when he was here? Recruiting. I wouldn't call it "laziness" but he just wasn't going to kiss ass, even if it cost us a future NFL star who lived in Starkville.

That weakness is now neutralized. If NIL existed back then, every recruiting battle would have just come down to whatever NIL we offered. Mullen would have still been good at finding undervalued players.

Didn?t AJ?s dad tell Dan that $250k would put AJ in maroon & white? Dan chuckled and said ?that?s LT money.?

[Todd4State]

What was Dan's greatest weakness when he was here? Recruiting. I wouldn't call it "laziness" but he just wasn't going to kiss ass, even if it cost us a future NFL star who lived in Starkville.

That weakness is now neutralized. If NIL existed back then, every recruiting battle would have just come down to whatever NIL we offered. Mullen would have still been good at finding undervalued players.

I think he could make it worse actually. He doesn't like to kiss anyone's ass which is why he was a bad recruiter. And you have to kiss more ass than ever before. You can't tell recruits 17 you if they don't commit right away. And money is the reason we didn't even pursue AJ Brown like we should have.

Also, he was horrible against top 25 teams at MSU. Our schedule is much more difficult now with 9 SEC games and a mandatory P5 game. When Dan was at his peak MSU was able to build in 4 wins. And as far as winning Egg Bowls- Dan only beat an Ole Miss team with a winning record twice in his career at MSU.

[Quaoarsking]

Or it would completely split the fan base. Bringing back coaches for a round two historically hasn't worked as well as the first round.

The fanbase is already "completely split," or really something even worse - mostly against the current regime and growing apathetic.

At a minimum, the percentage of our fans who enthusiastically support the head coach would shoot way up.

[Quaoarsking]

Every single criticism you can come up with about Mullen is something that Lebby is even worse at.

[DEDawg]

Every single criticism you can come up with about Mullen is something that Lebby is even worse at.

I don't think Lebby is shopping himself every November before the egg bowl

[Todd4State]

The fanbase is already "completely split," or really something even worse - mostly against the current regime and growing apathetic.

At a minimum, the percentage of our fans who enthusiastically support the head coach would shoot way up.

That's even more reason to NOT hire another coach that would split the fan base even further.

[Todd4State]

Every single criticism you can come up with about Mullen is something that Lebby is even worse at.

Ok so again even more reason to hire someone better than both of them.

You're basically saying that we should hire a turd that is shiny because it's shiny. But the truth is it's a turd. And then what does MSU do when Dan leaves? We have to hire someone. We can't just keep betting him to come back until he dies.

[Dawgface]

I don't think Lebby is shopping himself every November before the egg bowl

That’s because he doesn’t have a resume anyone would be interested in.

[Tater]

I don't think Lebby is shopping himself every November before the egg bowl

There was Okie Lite HC smoke earlier this year. He just cratered going 1-7 down the stretch with 4 non-competitive games

[Todd4State]

Mark Stoops getting boat raced. If he wants a DC job here I think he would be perfect.

[KB21]

I don't think Lebby is shopping himself every November before the egg bowl

Lebby isn?t going to go into a shell and get ultra conservative with a 3 point lead with 10 minutes to go like Dan has done consistently.

[Quaoarsking]

That's even more reason to NOT hire another coach that would split the fan base even further.

It wouldn't split the fanbase even further. Moving from a coach with low (but not 0%) approval to one who would have high (but not 100%) approval is repairing the split, not taking it further.


Ok so again even more reason to hire someone better than both of them.

You're basically saying that we should hire a turd that is shiny because it's shiny. But the truth is it's a turd. And then what does MSU do when Dan leaves? We have to hire someone. We can't just keep betting him to come back until he dies.

I just don't think Dan is a "turd" at all, nor that the vast majority of our fans think he is.


I don't think Lebby is shopping himself every November before the egg bowl
That's because nobody wants him. If Lebby had been a good in-game coach and we were 8-4 right now, of course he'd be talking to other schools. And I wouldn't be offended by it if it he did.

[Todd4State]

That’s because he doesn’t have a resume anyone would be interested in.

Lebby has as many top 25 wins as Dan did at the same points in their career.

[Quaoarsking]

Lebby isn?t going to go into a shell and get ultra conservative with a 3 point lead with 10 minutes to go like Dan has done consistently.

And that's why we're not bowling, because Lebby wouldn't do that against Texas.

Another great pro-Mullen, anti-Lebby argument that you're making.

[Quaoarsking]

Lebby has as many top 25 wins as Dan did at the same points in their career.

And 1 more blowout by MAC team, and 1 more loss to a 3-9 team. And 2 more last place FPI finishes in the SEC.

[basedog]

I don't believe for a second Lebby said he isnt making changes. I suppose one of you guys snuck inside Byan Building and heard the conversation**

[Pancho]

durp

[Dawgs87]

Lebby has as many top 25 wins as Dan did at the same points in their career.

Do you think Merlin would've won the Florida game this year?

[Saltydog]

IF you're against him there's no changing your mind but did you ever consider that Dan may have just learned his lesson?

[Todd4State]

It wouldn't split the fanbase even further. Moving from a coach with low (but not 0%) approval to one who would have high (but not 100%) approval is repairing the split, not taking it further.



I just don't think Dan is a "turd" at all, nor that the vast majority of our fans think he is.


That's because nobody wants him. If Lebby had been a good in-game coach and we were 8-4 right now, of course he'd be talking to other schools. And I wouldn't be offended by it if it he did.

The goal isn't to put a band aid on things. The goal is to get the best coach for Mississippi State. That's not Dan Mullen. Back in 2010 he was the best we could do. But it's 2025 now. Player acquisition is the most important thing right now. That was the thing that Dan was the worst about.

Bringing Dan Mullen back would be the most poor ol State move we could ever do. And hell- he started this shit back in 2015 if we're being honest and actually know what goes on.

It won't work. But hey- maybe he can win enough so he can get the career record for wins that he doesn't care about.

[Todd4State]

Do you think Merlin would've won the Florida game this year?

I don't know. I remember him losing to Kentucky in similar fashion in 2016 with Peter Sirmon as his DC. He lost to New Mexico this year.

[Quaoarsking]

Do you think Merlin would've won the Florida game this year?

Yes, Mullen had a couple of losses to teams that finished 3-5 in the SEC (but usually beat them) and never had a loss to a team who finished 2-6. He just wasn't that kind of coach.

[KB21]

And that's why we're not bowling, because Lebby wouldn't do that against Texas.

Another great pro-Mullen, anti-Lebby argument that you're making.

We lost a lot of games under Dan because of that ultra conservative approach. You aren?t going to win big when your entire coaching mindset is to not do anything that might lose the game.

This fanbase has got to get on board with modern football and game theory.

[Quaoarsking]

I don't know. I remember him losing to Kentucky in similar fashion in 2016 with Peter Sirmon as his DC. He lost to New Mexico this year.

That 2016 Kentucky team went 4-4 in the SEC and played in a bowl. Just not comparable.

[Quaoarsking]

We lost a lot of games under Dan because of that ultra conservative approach.

List them all?

[Todd4State]

IF you're against him there's no changing your mind but did you ever consider that Dan may have just learned his lesson?

What lesson? His ass got blown out by Boise State the only team they played with a pulse and he's on his second DC. He took over a 10 win team and they haven't gotten worse but haven't gotten better either.

Has it occurred to you that maybe he's the same guy? He was already trying to get in on Arkansas this year around midseason.

[Todd4State]

That 2016 Kentucky team went 4-4 in the SEC and played in a bowl. Just not comparable.

Why? He went 5-7 during the regular season that year also. That sounds familiar to me. That Florida team also beat Texas at home this year.

[Todd4State]

List them all?

Alabama every time we had a prayer.

But you know what? You're right. His conservative play calling usually led to a blowout before the fourth quarter even started so we just looked like bitches.

He almost lost LSU in 2014 because of his idiotic substitutions and conservative play calling.

[Quaoarsking]

Why? He went 5-7 during the regular season that year also. That sounds familiar to me. That Florida team also beat Texas at home this year.

Because 2-6 is worse than 4-4?

Dan Mullen's floor is 5-7. Jeff Lebby's ceiling is 5-7. I'm not saying that Mullen is the absolute best coach we could possibly hire, but there's no way to objectively look at both resumes and not conclude that Mullen is a huge improvement, and most of our fans (this thread excepted) would be really happy to have him back. If there actually is a realistic chance of making that swap in the next few days, we should 100% do it.

[CaptainObvious]

Or it would completely split the fan base. Bringing back coaches for a round two historically hasn't worked as well as the first round.

We are split badly now. We are NOT coming together under Lebby. Who do you suggest that could unite the fanbase? It ain?t Lebby! Give us other choices!

[Quaoarsking]

We are split badly now. We are NOT coming together under Lebby. Who do you suggest that could unite the fanbase? It ain?t Lebby! Give us other choices!

Brent Vigen didn't end up taking the Oregon State job. Let's go get him.

[Coursesuper]

Because 2-6 is worse than 4-4?

Dan Mullen's floor is 5-7. Jeff Lebby's ceiling is 5-7. I'm not saying that Mullen is the absolute best coach we could possibly hire, but there's no way to objectively look at both resumes and not conclude that Mullen is a huge improvement, and most of our fans (this thread excepted) would be really happy to have him back. If there actually is a realistic chance of making that swap in the next few days, we should 100% do it.

Comparing apples and watermelons again. Everything that happened per nil is a different game. Anyway, he is not coming back here.

[KB21]

Lebby?s ceiling is not 5-7. That?s ridiculous. There is absolutely nothing wrong with his process. He is analytically sound in his decision making. He?s aggressive. He has a great offensive scheme.

[Todd4State]

Because 2-6 is worse than 4-4?

Dan Mullen's floor is 5-7. Jeff Lebby's ceiling is 5-7. I'm not saying that Mullen is the absolute best coach we could possibly hire, but there's no way to objectively look at both resumes and not conclude that Mullen is a huge improvement, and most of our fans (this thread excepted) would be really happy to have him back. If there actually is a realistic chance of making that swap in the next few days, we should 100% do it.

Lebby's ceiling is higher than 5-7. He went 5-7 with no offensive line and no defense and he doubled our win total. Stop clutching pearls over some bullshit that happened at Baylor that didn't even involve you.

We should always do what is best for Mississippi State and if you think that bringing Dan back is what is best then you are a dumbass and an example of why we don't win. And the booster that want to do it are dumbasses as well. Boosters got us into this mess so why the **** not? They'll never learn.

[Brobi-wan]

That 2016 Kentucky team went 4-4 in the SEC and played in a bowl. Just not comparable.

I don’t fault you for wanting to fire Lebby, but stumping for Dan is weird. A lot of people wanted him gone by the time he left. His constant shopping soured a lot of fans.

[Quaoarsking]

Lebby?s ceiling is not 5-7. That?s ridiculous. There is absolutely nothing wrong with his process. He is analytically sound in his decision making. He?s aggressive. He has a great offensive scheme.

There was "absolutely nothing wrong" with his approach to the 4th quarters of the Florida and Texas games? OK buddy.

[Biguglyjoe]

There was "absolutely nothing wrong" with his approach to the 4th quarters of the Florida and Texas games? OK buddy.
Don?t take the bait man.

[Todd4State]

We are split badly now. We are NOT coming together under Lebby. Who do you suggest that could unite the fanbase? It ain?t Lebby! Give us other choices!

I've already said to hire someone other than Dan who we know won't fix that either.
You tell me what your choice is?

But hell if you told me that we hired Sumrall I'd be fine with that and I'm not that wild about him. I'd give Joe Judge a chance but I want to see him as a head coach somewhere like Tulane before I buy in. Eric Morris would be my first choice.

[Quaoarsking]

I don?t fault you for wanting to fire Lebby, but stumping for Dan is weird. A lot of people wanted him gone by the time he left. His constant shopping soured a lot of fans.

If the OP had posted that boosters were trying to fire Lebby in favor of Brent Vigen or Brian Newberry or Jon Sumrall, I'd be posting about them instead.

[Quaoarsking]

Eric Morris would be my first choice.

He's already been announced as Oklahoma State's next coach. Otherwise, sure, I'd be fine with him.

[KB21]

There was "absolutely nothing wrong" with his approach to the 4th quarters of the Florida and Texas games? OK buddy.

There wasn?t, and the analytics back that up.

[cheewgumm]

The goal isn't to put a band aid on things. The goal is to get the best coach for Mississippi State. That's not Dan Mullen. Back in 2010 he was the best we could do. But it's 2025 now. Player acquisition is the most important thing right now. That was the thing that Dan was the worst about.

Bringing Dan Mullen back would be the most poor ol State move we could ever do. And hell- he started this shit back in 2015 if we're being honest and actually know what goes on.

It won't work. But hey- maybe he can win enough so he can get the career record for wins that he doesn't care about.

We are not getting Mullen back so you don?t have to worry.

But how do you say he was bad at player acquisition?

Our fans think this . Why?

Do we need to compare the player Dan had vs now?

[BankerDog]

Bringing Dan back would IMMEDIATELY fire up an uninspired fan base as it stands now. Plus, all his former NFL players would be stoked as well and probably get more involved. Cox, Sweat, Prescott, Simmons, Jones are all big money boys that would love to see Dan back.

Dak and Simmons are already donating a lot for NIL?

[Coursesuper]

Dak and Simmons are already donating a lot for NIL?

Ignorance is bliss.

[Activated Alpha]

I don?t fault you for wanting to fire Lebby, but stumping for Dan is weird. A lot of people wanted him gone by the time he left. His constant shopping soured a lot of fans.

Pretty certain that when Kiffin leaves and if OM goes through the same cycle of depressive seasons as State, you don?t think their fan base would want him back? People who want him back are thinking he would have State back to a respectable level (given his experience it isn?t too far stretched). Those who are adamantly against the thought of a Mullen 2.0 (no he won?t come back anyways) just have an agenda just like their agenda of glossing over how poorly of a HC Lebby has been

[KB21]

If Lebby is so poor as a head coach, then show me what has gotten worse under his coaching and show me the numbers that support that.

[CaptainObvious]

I've already said to hire someone other than Dan who we know won't fix that either.
You tell me what your choice is?

But hell if you told me that we hired Sumrall I'd be fine with that and I'm not that wild about him. I'd give Joe Judge a chance but I want to see him as a head coach somewhere like Tulane before I buy in. Eric Morris would be my first choice.

I?m not for bringing in Dan either. But something has to give. The fan base IS SPLIT and it has to be reunited! The hire of O?Connor appears to have united the State Baseball fans, except for the little league failures who hate baseball.

There has to be significant changes and it has to happen this year, not halfway through the 2026 season. I just don?t think Lebby can unite the fans because he wasn?t a likeable hire to begin with. This thing will explode if he is retained and goes 1-8 or even 2-7 SEC next year. It will certainly take more than firing Hutzler and Loadholt!

[Coursesuper]

Damn, a thread that was giving good info gone to shit over stupidity that’s just not going to happen.

[PGHBulldogBG]

It?s funny people talking about almost losses under Mullen. I would love to go back to winning and almost losing. Instead we just lose under Lebby

[Todd4State]

We are not getting Mullen back so you don?t have to worry.

But how do you say he was bad at player acquisition?

Our fans think this . Why?

Do we need to compare the player Dan had vs now?

Because there were multiple instances like AJ Brown during his tenure. His whole thing was what? Finding diamonds in the rough and developing them. Ok. So that era is over. Would he have been able to keep those diamonds after he developed them? And you can't just have those guys on the roster hanging out anymore.

You can compare players but it's apples and oranges because the era is completely different. This era is more like the AJ Brown situation than it is the Benardrick McKinney situation.

[DownwardDawg]

Damn, a thread that was giving good info gone to shit over stupidity that’s just not going to happen.

Always

[Coursesuper]

Always

I swear, sometimes I’m sure we could 17 up a football bat.

[Todd4State]

I?m not for bringing in Dan either. But something has to give. The fan base IS SPLIT and it has to be reunited! The hire of O?Connor appears to have united the State Baseball fans, except for the little league failures who hate baseball.

There has to be significant changes and it has to happen this year, not halfway through the 2026 season. I just don?t think Lebby can unite the fans because he wasn?t a likeable hire to begin with. This thing will explode if he is retained and goes 1-8 or even 2-7 SEC next year. It will certainly take more than firing Hutzler and Loadholt!

I haven't said anything about keeping Lebby over Dan. I'm just saying we shouldn't hire Dan back period. It isn't Dan or Lebby for me.

I'm fine with Lebby making changes and see what happens. I've also said that 2026 he has to get it done or be gone.

I believe is being fair to coaches and we were very fair to Lemonis. That helped us get O'Connor. Being fair to Lebby and it appears as if MSU is being fair to him will hopefully yield a better head coach if we have to go that route. We'll see. I don't want to try to make a head coaching hire this cycle. Too many blueblood jobs opening up. We need to make adjustments but I'm not ready to blow it all up yet.

[DEDawg]

Damn, a thread that was giving good info gone to shit over stupidity that’s just not going to happen.
Yep. The usual suspects already have their repetitive dedicated thread to scream about Dan but somehow it got brought over into this one

[CaptainObvious]

I haven't said anything about keeping Lebby over Dan. I'm just saying we shouldn't hire Dan back period. It isn't Dan or Lebby for me.

I'm fine with Lebby making changes and see what happens. I've also said that 2026 he has to get it done or be gone.

I believe is being fair to coaches and we were very fair to Lemonis. That helped us get O'Connor. Being fair to Lebby and it appears as if MSU is being fair to him will hopefully yield a better head coach if we have to go that route. We'll see. I don't want to try to make a head coaching hire this cycle. Too many blueblood jobs opening up. We need to make adjustments but I'm not ready to blow it all up yet.

Do you agree that he HAS to make significant staff changes or hit the road?

[Tater]

I swear, sometimes I’m sure we could 17 up a football bat.

Getting us back on topic.

Sounds like the demands were making of Lebby:
- Get an OC / split his duties up better
- Fire entire defensive staff
- Fire ST Coordinator
- One position coach position completely gone for OC.

Wish-casting:
Dykes out at TCU; we hire Kendall Briles to be OC
Aranda out at Baylor; get him as DC
Potentially Wilcox or Baker as DC are options

Only one person so far has said Lebby pushed back. Need double confirmation - everything else I've also heard as 'hopes' outside of this board - so that's double confirmation for me personally. Any other news to sum up?

[cheewgumm]

Because there were multiple instances like AJ Brown during his tenure. His whole thing was what? Finding diamonds in the rough and developing them. Ok. So that era is over. Would he have been able to keep those diamonds after he developed them? And you can't just have those guys on the roster hanging out anymore.

You can compare players but it's apples and oranges because the era is completely different. This era is more like the AJ Brown situation than it is the Benardrick McKinney situation.

His talents of talent evaluation would fit perfectly in the NIL era.

You have to be able to identity transfer players who are not great but could be. That is his strength.

[DownwardDawg]

I swear, sometimes I’m sure we could 17 up a football bat.

Haha!! No doubt!

[Todd4State]

Do you agree that he HAS to make significant staff changes or hit the road?

Oh absolutely. I agree with pretty much every change that has been rumored. Especially on defense and special teams. I have said as much multiple times.

And I think he will make those changes. I don't think he's a complete dumbass.

Honestly, I think by keeping Hutzler and allowing us to build and improve we're in a better position to hire a better DC than last year.

Plus Lebby did make some changes last year. We brought in Rhodes and McIntyre and Loadholt. No reason why he wouldn't make changes now.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Getting us back on topic.

Sounds like the demands were making of Lebby:
- Get an OC / split his duties up better
- Fire entire defensive staff
- Fire ST Coordinator
- One position coach position completely gone for OC.

Wish-casting:
Dykes out at TCU; we hire Kendall Briles to be OC
Aranda out at Baylor; get him as DC
Potentially Wilcox or Baker as DC are options

Only one person so far has said Lebby pushed back. Need double confirmation - everything else I've also heard as 'hopes' outside of this board - so that's double confirmation for me personally. Any other news to sum up?

Why would Dykes be fired at TCU? He had them in the NC game a couple years ago and I believe won 8 games this year after a down year last year. That doesn?t make any sense unless he is over NIL and retiring?

[HoopsDawg]

Getting us back on topic.

Sounds like the demands were making of Lebby:
- Get an OC / split his duties up better
- Fire entire defensive staff
- Fire ST Coordinator
- One position coach position completely gone for OC.

Wish-casting:
Dykes out at TCU; we hire Kendall Briles to be OC
Aranda out at Baylor; get him as DC
Potentially Wilcox or Baker as DC are options

Only one person so far has said Lebby pushed back. Need double confirmation - everything else I've also heard as 'hopes' outside of this board - so that's double confirmation for me personally. Any other news to sum up?

Lebby is an excellent play caller. If you go and hire an OC, that is less money for a DC and the rest of the staff. He does need to improve aspects of game management. A 15 year old who plays Madden could help him with that.

1. Find an experienced DC with a proven track record. Pay him a lot of money and give him autonomy to pick his staff.

2. Offer Hutzler the opportunity to be the special teams coach or quit.

3. Go find players. Fortunately, we have a QB to build around

[Tater]

Why would Dykes be fired at TCU? He had them in the NC game a couple years ago and I believe won 8 games this year after a down year last year. That doesn?t make any sense unless he is over NIL and retiring?

Texsa people are crazy. SMU making back to back playoffs and three straight "mediocre" seasons for TCU. Ego's are big and Dykes definitely is annoyed by it. My guy was louder before the Houston win and said it was 80% he was gone. Puts it at 50/50 which I'm assuming SVS is hearing similar since he's usually getting similar info out of Texsa connects as me.

[KB21]

Lebby is an excellent play caller. If you go and hire an OC, that is less money for a DC and the rest of the staff. He does need to improve aspects of game management. A 15 year old who plays Madden could help him with that.

1. Find an experienced DC with a proven track record. Pay him a lot of money and give him autonomy to pick his staff.

2. Offer Hutzler the opportunity to be the special teams coach or quit.

3. Go find players. Fortunately, we have a QB to build around

This.

[Tater]

Lebby is an excellent play caller. If you go and hire an OC, that is less money for a DC and the rest of the staff. He does need to improve aspects of game management. A 15 year old who plays Madden could help him with that.

1. Find an experienced DC with a proven track record. Pay him a lot of money and give him autonomy to pick his staff.

2. Offer Hutzler the opportunity to be the special teams coach or quit.

3. Go find players. Fortunately, we have a QB to build around

I'm not debating what we should do - I'm trying to put the pieces together of what we're doing. I think to course's point, there's a million threads on what we should do.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Why would Dykes be fired at TCU? He had them in the NC game a couple years ago and I believe won 8 games this year after a down year last year. That doesn?t make any sense unless he is over NIL and retiring?

He has not been able to maintain the momentum and recapture the magic of that first year. He was 6-1 in one score games his first year. He is 7-8 since. They also are seeing what SMU is doing and do not want to fall further behind.

[HoopsDawg]

I'm not debating what we should do - I'm trying to put the pieces together of what we're doing. I think to course's point, there's a million threads on what we should do.

I don?t think we are looking for an OC. I think that?s just a narrative that some people are pushing. We need 20 things more than an OC.

The first move Lebby needs to make is hiring a DC and upgrading the staff. Then all of the focus needs to be evaluating and recruiting the portal.

A lot of energy is wasted on this board by a small number of posters discussing Mullen, firing Lebby or hiring an OC. Discuss away, but these are non-issues.

[Coursesuper]

Getting us back on topic.

Sounds like the demands were making of Lebby:
- Get an OC / split his duties up better
- Fire entire defensive staff
- Fire ST Coordinator
- One position coach position completely gone for OC.

Wish-casting:
Dykes out at TCU; we hire Kendall Briles to be OC
Aranda out at Baylor; get him as DC
Potentially Wilcox or Baker as DC are options

Only one person so far has said Lebby pushed back. Need double confirmation - everything else I've also heard as 'hopes' outside of this board - so that's double confirmation for me personally. Any other news to sum up?

I’ve heard a little but nothing about OC, nothing about Lebby leaving, I’ve heard things about defensive staff and STC position. Also a good bit about NIL commitments. Nothing I’d hang my hat on yet.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Texsa people are crazy. SMU making back to back playoffs and three straight "mediocre" seasons for TCU. Ego's are big and Dykes definitely is annoyed by it. My guy was louder before the Houston win and said it was 80% he was gone. Puts it at 50/50 which I'm assuming SVS is hearing similar since he's usually getting similar info out of Texsa connects as me.

Yea wow I don?t doubt there are talks if people are saying so, I just think that?s really wild. Aranda I get that one he has like if stalled out at Baylor for more years but I guess TCU does have money so they think they can attract some big name, this just does not seem like the year to do it

[PGHBulldogBG]

I don?t think we are looking for an OC. I think that?s just a narrative that some people are pushing. We need 20 things more than an OC.

The first move Lebby needs to make is hiring a DC and upgrading the staff. Then all of the focus needs to be evaluating and recruiting the portal.

A lot of energy is wasted on this board by a small number of posters discussing Mullen, firing Lebby or hiring an OC. Discuss away, but these are non-issues.

Yes I agree with this. I actually think our special teams are just as big of a problem as our defense. Hutz is a liability though and we need to find a good DC

[Tater]

Yea wow I don?t doubt there are talks if people are saying so, I just think that?s really wild. Aranda I get that one he has like if stalled out at Baylor for more years but I guess TCU does have money so they think they can attract some big name, this just does not seem like the year to do it

Texsa schools will spend their way to the top any means necessary. 3 of the in-state schools have made this and last year's playoffs. Their direct rival might make two straight. (TCU-SMU is more of a rivalry than TCU-Baylor) It's just the nature of the beast.

[Tater]

I don?t think we are looking for an OC. I think that?s just a narrative that some people are pushing. We need 20 things more than an OC.

The first move Lebby needs to make is hiring a DC and upgrading the staff. Then all of the focus needs to be evaluating and recruiting the portal.

A lot of energy is wasted on this board by a small number of posters discussing Mullen, firing Lebby or hiring an OC. Discuss away, but these are non-issues.

Lebby's offense is some decision making and a full year of KT experience away from being amazing. I should preface that I've heard these as "hopes" not confirmed "demands" - nothing confirmed to officially have been done as of yet.

Defense overhaul is definitely more important than offensive tweaking.

[BigDawg81]

Apparently, a lot of NIL money is going to both lines of scrimmages. Offensive Line and Defensive Line

[msstate7]

Apparently, a lot of NIL money is going to both lines of scrimmages. Offensive Line and Defensive Line

And lock up KT. Fill in the rest with the best you can

[Todd4State]

I don?t think we are looking for an OC. I think that?s just a narrative that some people are pushing. We need 20 things more than an OC.

The first move Lebby needs to make is hiring a DC and upgrading the staff. Then all of the focus needs to be evaluating and recruiting the portal.

A lot of energy is wasted on this board by a small number of posters discussing Mullen, firing Lebby or hiring an OC. Discuss away, but these are non-issues.

Agree 100% even if I am guilty.

[CaptainObvious]

Apparently, a lot of NIL money is going to both lines of scrimmages. Offensive Line and Defensive Line

Which ones? DII OR NAIA?

[BankerDog]

Getting us back on topic.

Sounds like the demands were making of Lebby:
- Get an OC / split his duties up better
- Fire entire defensive staff
- Fire ST Coordinator
- One position coach position completely gone for OC.

Wish-casting:
Dykes out at TCU; we hire Kendall Briles to be OC
Aranda out at Baylor; get him as DC
Potentially Wilcox or Baker as DC are options

Only one person so far has said Lebby pushed back. Need double confirmation - everything else I've also heard as 'hopes' outside of this board - so that's double confirmation for me personally. Any other news to sum up?

Lebby hasn?t pushed back. Demands weren?t made on OC either. He knows Dykes may leave and it?s a chance to upgrade his staff. The suggestions were on the defensive side of the ball.

[Tater]

Lebby hasn?t pushed back. Demands weren?t made on OC either. He knows Dykes may leave and it?s a chance to upgrade his staff. The suggestions were on the defensive side of the ball.

Demands is harsh word. I'll say strong suggestions on Defense / soft suggestion if the right fit happens on offense.

I do think there's only a few people who should be his OC and hiring an OC just to hire an OC is the wrong path imo.

[KB21]

For the most part, you guys are far more level headed than what I see at other places.

[DEDawg]

Which ones? DII OR NAIA?

We are looking hard at a few guys from Pillow and Starkville Academy

[Tater]

For the most part, you guys are far more level headed than what I see at other places.

Well yea - I'm sober today and travelling back home rather than on here drunk posting and getting in a fight and myself banned like I would have yesterday.

[BuckyIsAB****]

He definitely has pushed back and there has been some egg shell walking going on in that building since about the first of November. Dont let anyone lie to yall.

[BuckyIsAB****]

There wasn?t, and the analytics back that up.

The analytics are wrong then

[Tater]

He definitely has pushed back and there has been some egg shell walking going on in that building since about the first of November. Dont let anyone lie to yall.

I'm talking about strictly what I've been told has happened in the last 26 hours. Yea there was pushback before 41, 35, 49, 38 to close the season on defense.

[KB21]

The analytics are wrong then

No. Conventional theory is wrong there, just like analytics has proven so may conventional wisdom theories wrong.

[Dawgology]

Lebby is an excellent play caller. If you go and hire an OC, that is less money for a DC and the rest of the staff. He does need to improve aspects of game management. A 15 year old who plays Madden could help him with that.

1. Find an experienced DC with a proven track record. Pay him a lot of money and give him autonomy to pick his staff.

2. Offer Hutzler the opportunity to be the special teams coach or quit.

3. Go find players. Fortunately, we have a QB to build around

4. Learn to call a run and field goal kick to win a game. (We would be bowling again this year but are not due to one of the most asinine coaching calls I?ve ever witnessed at any level of football)

[DownwardDawg]

Well yea - I'm sober today and travelling back home rather than on here drunk posting and getting in a fight and myself banned like I would have yesterday.

And others banned with you.......

I've learned to ignore the drunk posting Tater.

[BankerDog]

He definitely has pushed back and there has been some egg shell walking going on in that building since about the first of November. Dont let anyone lie to yall.

I?ll take my sources over yours. Remember you were the one hyping up Arnett as ?one of us?

[Cowbell]

I?ll take my sources over yours. Remember you were the one hyping up Arnett as ?one of us?

Oh this outta be good.....

[BuckyIsAB****]

If you can get Dan Mullen and you choose to keep Jeff Lebby I really may throw my state stuff away

[BuckyIsAB****]

I don't think Lebby is shopping himself every November before the egg bowl

Shopping himself where??? Starkville Parks and Rec league??

[StarkVegasSteve]

So to get this back to the original 17 topic,

1. DC changes have been impressed upon Lebby and he is receptive to that. I do not have a name that I could share because it is nothing more than people guessing.

2. We are revamping the scouting dept. Bo McKinnis and Co. gave Selmon a check for that yesterday and hires are already being made on that front.

3. TCU winning today, and how they won, could save Sonny(although I doubt it). Even with him staying, Art is putting some pressure on Kendall to get back into the SEC. He was a hell of a lot closer to a HC job when he was at Arkansas than he is now. He is also VERY INTERESTED in working with Kamario. Art has called KJ Jefferson a poor man’s Kamario.

[BuckyIsAB****]

I?ll take my sources over yours. Remember you were the one hyping up Arnett as ?one of us?

I guess so. It?s my fault he lied? Im not gonna measure my message board dick with you man

[maroonmania]

If he truly doesn't want to change things, I think you have to let him go

Yep, if thats true then its a bad sign for him being in the Big chair. You have to make hard decisions to be a successful.HC in the SEC. If you are just going to remain loyal to your coaches with personal connections no matter the results then you are not HC material in this business which is very much results based. I dont get the Lebby love affair with Hutzler other than I guess they were really good friends before Lebby got our HC gig.

[Coursesuper]

So to get this back to the original 17 topic,

1. DC changes have been impressed upon Lebby and he is receptive to that. I do not have a name that I could share because it is nothing more than people guessing.

2. We are revamping the scouting dept. Bo McKinnis and Co. gave Selmon a check for that yesterday and hires are already being made on that front.

3. TCU winning today, and how they won, could save Sonny(although I doubt it). Even with him staying, Art is putting some pressure on Kendall to get back into the SEC. He was a hell of a lot closer to a HC job when he was at Arkansas than he is now. He is also VERY INTERESTED in working with Kamario. Art has called KJ Jefferson a poor man’s Kamario.

Is Bo handling things like he did for the baseball situation as far as being the portal for $$$ to flow from others thru him to the Program?

[EdwardDrayton]

Yep, if thats true then its a bad sign for him being in the Big chair. You have to make hard decisions to be a successful.HC in the SEC. If you are just going to remain loyal to your coaches with personal connections no matter the results then you are not HC material in this business which is very much results based. I dont get the Lebby love affair with Hutzler other than I guess they were really good friends before Lebby got our HC gig.

Leaders have to make hard decisions on the road to success. The good ones understand that and execute them.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Is Bo handling things like he did for the baseball situation as far as being the portal for $$$ to flow from others thru him to the Program?

No not really. He gave Selmon that check for a revamped scouting dept and we have already made one hire on that front.

[Coursesuper]

No not really. He gave Selmon that check for a revamped scouting dept and we have already made one hire on that front.

10-4

[Todd4State]

No not really. He gave Selmon that check for a revamped scouting dept and we have already made one hire on that front.

That's awesome to hear because as I have said multiple times it's mostly about player acquisition now.

[Tater]

And others banned with you.......

I've learned to ignore the drunk posting Tater.

I've got two personalities and they're pretty obvious which one is which... I think.

[Coursesuper]

Word on any coaching changes should begin to leak out today. I am encouraged by some of the names I’ve heard of for the DC position, I hope we move forward with this quickly.

[Todd4State]

Word on any coaching changes should begin to leak out today. I am encouraged by some of the names I’ve heard of for the DC position, I hope we move forward with this quickly.

Any names you feel comfortable sharing.

[BigDawg81]

I believe if Hutzler gets canned and hire a known DC that has had success, the fanbase will comeback around. If Hutzler stays, it going to be tough for ticket sales.

[Coursesuper]

Any names you feel comfortable sharing.

Nothing solid enough yet, lots just a lot of speculation floating around now.

[Todd4State]

Nothing solid enough yet, lots just a lot of speculation floating around now.

10-4

[SPMT]

Things are not exactly peachy at the Bryan Building right now. I am not saying that we are firing Lebby or that those types conversations have even been broached, but there are some VERY uncomfortable conversations happening in the Bryan Building tonight and into the weekend.

Again, I am in no way saying that those types of conversations have even been broached. But if you told me we fired Jeff Lebby this weekend, it would not catch me completely off guard.

There are already going to be major staff changes made, that I can confirm. David Turner is retiring. I have that one confirmed by 5 or 6 people who would know. Corey Bell is not being retained. Same 5 or 6 people confirmed that one. I cannot get an absolute confirmation on Hutzler being let go, but signs were pointing the way as of early this weekend. On the offensive side, there is a lot of smoke in Ft Worth that Sonny Dykes will either be let go or step down after their game tomorrow. I have that on pretty good authority with some people in the DFW area. If/When that happens, I expect we will offer Kendall Briles the OC/QB coach with complete play calling autonomy. I also fully expect Cliff Odom is let go in the coming days and that one has been in the works since the end of October.

Like I stated earlier, I am not saying that Lebby is being let go. But I sure as hell would not want to be in his chair in the coming days.

This is all good and what should happen. It was uncomfortable to watch this season and the staff should partake in that.