Does anyone really think Lebby will still be our coach in 2027?

[Quaoarsking]

I wish I could say he won't be here in 2026, but all signs say he will.

But even half of the self-identified "Lebby supporters" have admitted here that they expect him to be fired after next season, when the schedule gets harder, the NIL support and talent get worse, and the stadium is emptier.

[Charlie_Sheen420]

I wish I could say he won't be here in 2026, but all signs say he will.

But even half of the self-identified "Lebby supporters" have admitted here that they expect him to be fired after next season, when the schedule gets harder, the NIL support and talent get worse, and the stadium is emptier.
We are losing at Minnesota next year book it because they actually have a coach that knows ball

[Todd4State]

I think 2026 will tell the tale about which way MSU goes. It's another opportunity to get players and improve. We'll see how much progress KT makes and I do think he will improve a lot.

Our schedule will be easier next season. Several teams will have new coaches.

He's either Jedd Fisch or he's just Felker/Croom as in the guy that brought some stability and handed the program off to Jackie/Dan or whoever.

[Coursesuper]

No idea, but this program is nuclear toxic. As is this alumni and fan base. No coach worth a 17 will touch it. We are a dead end, a place where coaches go to have their careers die. And if this trajectory continues MSU will get shuffled out during the next realignment. There will be no SEC or Big 10, it will be one big conference and our poor ass wont have a seat at the table.

[Quaoarsking]

No idea, but this program is nuclear toxic. As is this alumni and fan base. No coach worth a 17 will touch it. We are a dead end, a place where coaches go to have their careers die. And if this trajectory continues MSU will get shuffled out during the next realignment. There will be no SEC or Big 10, it will be one big conference and our poor ass wont have a seat at the table.

We can lean in to that. Jimbo Fisher would take our job tonight. I don't know if he's my #1 choice, but he would be a lot better than 5-6 with this current team.

[EdwardDrayton]

No idea, but this program is nuclear toxic. As is this alumni and fan base. No coach worth a 17 will touch it. We are a dead end, a place where coaches go to have their careers die. And if this trajectory continues MSU will get shuffled out during the next realignment. There will be no SEC or Big 10, it will be one big conference and our poor ass wont have a seat at the table.

Thank the Lord you're not leading this program with your toxic a$$. We will arise from the ashes and find a way to resurrect again.

[Quaoarsking]

Thank the Lord you're not leading this program with your toxic a$$. We will arise from the ashes and find a way to resurrect again.

One day we will. But it won't be next year because Lebby will still be underachieving for us.

[Charlie_Sheen420]

We can lean in to that. Jimbo Fisher would take our job tonight. I don't know if he's my #1 choice, but he would be a lot better than 5-6 with this current team.
Jimbo has 70 million reasons plus not to give a **** about State and if he was here he would be mailing it in like Belechik

[Maverick91]

No idea, but this program is nuclear toxic. As is this alumni and fan base. No coach worth a 17 will touch it. We are a dead end, a place where coaches go to have their careers die. And if this trajectory continues MSU will get shuffled out during the next realignment. There will be no SEC or Big 10, it will be one big conference and our poor ass wont have a seat at the table.

I disagree. Lebby has self inflicted wounded himself. No coach would look at what this year had and then what we ended up being and get mad at us for moving on. We snatched defeat from the soil of victory three times. And the. Stupid plays that has ZERO business being called.

[Todd4State]

No idea, but this program is nuclear toxic. As is this alumni and fan base. No coach worth a 17 will touch it. We are a dead end, a place where coaches go to have their careers die. And if this trajectory continues MSU will get shuffled out during the next realignment. There will be no SEC or Big 10, it will be one big conference and our poor ass wont have a seat at the table.

Going to take boosters that have skin in the game taking over the program to fix it like we did with baseball. I'm not talking about MSU boosters living in Reunion or Annandale.

I'm talking about Dak, Chris Jones, Fletcher Cox, etc.

[Quaoarsking]

Every time we think about firing a coach, our fans melt down and say that no coach would ever take our job.

Croom, Moorhead, Arnett, Lemonis. We made a big improvement on 3 of those 4, despite all the doomers. There are several million reasons why we can do it again.

[Quaoarsking]

Going to take boosters that have skin in the game taking over the program to fix it like we did with baseball. I'm not talking about MSU boosters living in Reunion or Annandale.

I'm talking about Dak, Chris Jones, Fletcher Cox, etc.

Hey I wonder if there's a coach out there that all 3 of them know and respect!

[Coursesuper]

We can lean in to that. Jimbo Fisher would take our job tonight. I don't know if he's my #1 choice, but he would be a lot better than 5-6 with this current team.

Just what we need a washed up charlatan. He literally ran away from a train wreck of his own making at FSU. He could not win with top level talent and all the resources in the world at A$M. WTF makes you think he can win here with less than a quarter of those here? Do you really believe that the current administration just mailed it in to hire the current staff? Do you really believe that we were not turned down by many? Do you know how and why Leach even ended up in Starkville? Sometimes I wonder about how yall operate in the world. Then I look up at this cluster17 and just shake my head.

[Quaoarsking]

Just what we need a washed up charlatan. He literally ran away from a train wreck of his own making at FSU. He could not win with top level talent and all the resources in the world at A$M. WTF makes you think he can win here with less than a quarter of those here? Do you really believe that the current administration just mailed it in to hire the current staff? Do you really believe that we were not turned down by many? Do you know how and why Leach even ended up in Starkville? Sometimes I wonder about how yall operate in the world. Then I look up at this cluster17 and just shake my head.

Fisher was 83-23 (48-16) at Florida State with 4 top 10 finishes and a national title. Despite his mental health breakdown at A&M, he still finished 45-25 (27-21). Whatever school hires him, he'll have to convince the AD that he's moved on from whatever was going on his last 2 years there.

He's not my #1 choice or even in my top 15 list, but he would have been better than 2-10 last year and better than 5-6 right now.

[Rejlector84sports]

I graduated in 1984 when Bellard was HC. In those 40 years (with one exception) the only success State has had is because of head coaches with experience at other schools (Bellard, Sherrill, and Leach [with the one exception being Mullen]). MSU has to quit thinking that just because you are a cooridator on some other team makes you qualified to run an SEC team. In today's environment a "head coach" is more of an adminstrator than a hands-on coach. And no longer is on-the-job training possible in the SEC. For State to compete you have to have someone who runs a whole ptogram. Because of financial constraints getting one of the "big guys" is not possible. You have to go with a head coach who has run a smaller program successful and let him build the same success he had at the lower level.

[Todd4State]

Fisher was 83-23 (48-16) at Florida State with 4 top 10 finishes and a national title. Despite his mental health breakdown at A&M, he still finished 45-25 (27-21). Whatever school hires him, he'll have to convince the AD that he's moved on from whatever was going on his last 2 years there.

He's not my #1 choice or even in my top 15 list, but he would have been better than 2-10 last year and better than 5-6 right now.

His "breakdown" was not having Jamies Winston at QB anymore.

[Coursesuper]

Going to take boosters that have skin in the game taking over the program to fix it like we did with baseball. I'm not talking about MSU boosters living in Reunion or Annandale.

I'm talking about Dak, Chris Jones, Fletcher Cox, etc.

Not even those guys all together have the kind of $$$ it takes for us to actually compete. We are talking north of 40 mil.

[Quaoarsking]

His "breakdown" was not having Jamies Winston at QB anymore.

He had 4 solid years in A&M, including 3 ranked finishes and once when they got screwed out of a playoff bid, before things went South for him there. And even when things went South, he was still 11-11 (6-9) in his last 2 years -- a lot better than Lebby would have been.

[Todd4State]

I graduated in 1984 when Bellard was HC. In those 40 years (with one exception) the only success State has had is because of head coaches with experience at other schools (Bellard, Sherrill, and Leach [with the one exception being Mullen]). MSU has to quit thinking that just because you are a cooridator on some other team makes you qualified to run an SEC team. In today's environment a "head coach" is more of an adminstrator than a hands-on coach. And no longer is on-the-job training possible in the SEC. For State to compete you have to have someone who runs a whole ptogram. Because of financial constraints getting one of the "big guys" is not possible. You have to go with a head coach who has run a smaller program successful and let him build the same success he had at the lower level.

Bingo! And I guarantee you that if Lebby doesn't work out that's what we're going to be getting/looking for.

To be honest, we've never really hired someone from a G5 school before with a profile like Sumrall, Golesh, Silverfield, etc. Leach is the closest coming from Wazzu and that worked out. Bellard was fired by A&M and Jackie left because he got them on probation.

[Cowbeller]

Have we considered the possibility that this roster is bad? I dont think Saban wins more than 7 this year, time will tell bc Lebby aint being fired

[Rejlector84sports]

Jimbo has 70 million reasons plus not to give a **** about State and if he was here he would be mailing it in like Belechik

He was a finalist when Croom was hired. Sure, the situations have changed, but did we ever expect Leach to come? Maybe Jimbo wants to prove he can win in the SEC without all the pressure A&M put on him.

[DownwardDawg]

Every time we think about firing a coach, our fans melt down and say that no coach would ever take our job.

Croom, Moorhead, Arnett, Lemonis. We made a big improvement on 3 of those 4, despite all the doomers. There are several million reasons why we can do it again.

Image Kamario playing for Gus Malzahn.

[Todd4State]

He had 4 solid years in A&M, including 3 ranked finishes and once when they got screwed out of a playoff bid, before things went South for him there. And even when things went South, he was still 11-11 (6-9) in his last 2 years -- a lot better than Lebby would have been.

You can't compare A&M resources and their situation with ours.

[Bothrops]

We aren't winning in football again unless there are radical unforeseen changes in the future that cater to the little pairs like us, Wazoo, Oregon State, etc. That could mean a step down in competition. If we stay here, like it is, we might make a bowl every 7-8 seasons. We can't be a Mizzou anymore. We don't have that kind of support.

[msstate7]

He was a finalist when Croom was hired. Sure, the situations have changed, but did we ever expect Leach to come? Maybe Jimbo wants to prove he can win in the SEC without all the pressure A&M put on him.

Jimbo ain't coming. A sunbelt coach probably would though, and I bet we could find one that can get 2 sec wins in 2 years, so it would be an improvement

[Todd4State]

Have we considered the possibility that this roster is bad? I dont think Saban wins more than 7 this year, time will tell bc Lebby aint being fired

Nope! It's always the coach.

[Quaoarsking]

I graduated in 1984 when Bellard was HC. In those 40 years (with one exception) the only success State has had is because of head coaches with experience at other schools (Bellard, Sherrill, and Leach [with the one exception being Mullen]). MSU has to quit thinking that just because you are a cooridator on some other team makes you qualified to run an SEC team. In today's environment a "head coach" is more of an adminstrator than a hands-on coach. And no longer is on-the-job training possible in the SEC. For State to compete you have to have someone who runs a whole ptogram. Because of financial constraints getting one of the "big guys" is not possible. You have to go with a head coach who has run a smaller program successful and let him build the same success he had at the lower level.

Lots of people like this we could conceivably hire. Some of them may take other P4 jobs before we get the chance:
Bob Chesney
Jason Candle
Matt Entz
Jon Sumrall
Brent Vigen
Brian Newberry
Troy Calhoun
Alex Golesh
KC Keeler
Charles Huff
Jimmy Rogers (maybe)
Tim Polasek
Tyson Helton
Ryan Silverfield

We could absolutely find someone on this list to take the job. Or maybe a retread like Gundy or Jimbo if they can convince us why things suddenly went South after years of success and why things would be different here.

[Quaoarsking]

Have we considered the possibility that this roster is bad? I dont think Saban wins more than 7 this year, time will tell bc Lebby aint being fired

That's ridiculous. A good coach would have beaten Tenenssee, Texas, and Florida, and that's 8.

[Cowbeller]

We aren't winning in football again unless there are radical unforeseen changes in the future that cater to the little pairs like us, Wazoo, Oregon State, etc. That could mean a step down in competition. If we stay here, like it is, we might make a bowl every 7-8 seasons. We can't be a Mizzou anymore. We don't have that kind of support.

We just need to make a push to shift our fanbase into opening their wallet. TSUN made a push and it’s apart of that fanbases culture and look where they are. It’s not impossible to compete here but we are so boo hoo about everything. State fans are States worst enemy.

[Quaoarsking]

You can't compare A&M resources and their situation with ours.

I know. I was just correcting your inaccurate assertion that Jimbo was always bad at A&M because he didn't have Jameis, when actually he was only bad (though still way better than Lebby) for his last 2 years there.

[Quaoarsking]

Nope! It's always the coach.

The head coach is ultimately responsible for everything. Even if Lebby were hypothetically a "good coach" in certain situations, if he can't win here, we need to move on. We are what we are, and we need a coach who can be successful with our particular situation.

[DawgFromOxford]

I wish I could say he won't be here in 2026, but all signs say he will.

But even half of the self-identified "Lebby supporters" have admitted here that they expect him to be fired after next season, when the schedule gets harder, the NIL support and talent get worse, and the stadium is emptier.

Who cares. Apathy has set in. Lebby has had chances to inspire the fan base and turn people into believers. This may be the first egg bowl in who knows how long I won?t bother to watch.

[Rejlector84sports]

Jimbo ain't coming.

Both Bellard and Sherrill came to State after being HC at A&M... who says lightning can't strike thrice?

[Quaoarsking]

Who cares. Apathy has set in. Lebby has had chances to inspire the fan base and turn people into believers. This may be the first egg bowl in who knows how long I won?t bother to watch.

Exactly. Lebby has lost the fanbase. Our Athletic Department has to notice the dropoff in fan interest. It's going to be even worse next year.

[Cowbeller]

That's ridiculous. A good coach would have beaten Tenenssee, Texas, and Florida, and that's 8.

I know we love talking about how we are 3 plays away from 3 wins but in reality Tenn beat us, a player not executing lost Florida, and Texas we ran out of gas. Yea Lebby made mistakes but he had bright spots too. That’s football and we just arent that good at it right now. To be close with this o line is honestly impressive.

[DawgFromOxford]

We just need to make a push to shift our fanbase into opening their wallet. TSUN made a push and it’s apart of that fanbases culture and look where they are. It’s not impossible to compete here but we are so boo hoo about everything. State fans are States worst enemy.

TSUN made a push when it was evident they had a winner. It?s tough to get people to write million dollar checks when you don?t believe in the guy leading the team

[Cowbeller]

Exactly. Lebby has lost the fanbase. Our Athletic Department has to notice the dropoff in fan interest. It's going to be even worse next year.

If you arent going to watch the Egg Bowl you are at best a fair weather fan and I dont see why Lebby needs to cater to that demo

[Coursesuper]

Fisher was 83-23 (48-16) at Florida State with 4 top 10 finishes and a national title. Despite his mental health breakdown at A&M, he still finished 45-25 (27-21). Whatever school hires him, he'll have to convince the AD that he's moved on from whatever was going on his last 2 years there.

He's not my #1 choice or even in my top 15 list, but he would have been better than 2-10 last year and better than 5-6 right now.

Everyone here, look at this, this is why we suck all the way around. From $$$ to tickets to asses in seats, entitled people like this who actually think that their opinion matter are killing us. People live in a fantasy bubble and are separated from reality only thinking about what they perceive as how it is. We are divided and entirely too ignorant to ever get it together and actually do something in this current iteration of college football. No one, not on person that matters cares what your top 15 list is.

[Quaoarsking]

I know we love talking about how we are 3 plays away from 3 wins but in reality Tenn beat us, a player not executing lost Florida, and Texas we ran out of gas. Yea Lebby made mistakes but he had bright spots too. That’s football and we just arent that good at it right now. To be close with this o line is honestly impressive.

Lebby literally has 1 bright spot in his entire 23-game career, and as awesome as it was in the moment, he got pretty luck that Arizona State blew the coverage.

[msstate7]

TSUN made a push when it was evident they had a winner. It?s tough to get people to write million dollar checks when you don?t believe in the guy leading the team

^^^ this!!!! How the hell you gonna get people to sacrifice for the program when you have a loser HC?

[Quaoarsking]

Everyone here, look at this, this is why we suck all the way around. From $$$ to tickets to asses in seats, entitled people like this who actually think that their opinion matter are killing us. People live in a fantasy bubble and are separated from reality only thinking about what they perceive as how it is. We are divided and entirely too ignorant to ever get it together and actually do something in this current iteration of college football. No one, not on person that matters cares what your top 15 list is.

This post really reads like ChatGPT gobbledygook. Do better.

[Cowbeller]

Lebby literally has 1 bright spot in his entire 23-game career, and as awesome as it was in the moment, he got pretty luck that Arizona State blew the coverage.

Im sure you were telling everyone around you how bad of a play caller he is when we were leading either UT games

[Quaoarsking]

Im sure you were telling everyone around you how bad of a play caller he is when we were leading either UT games

I mean, yeah, he seemed like he was proving me wrong for a little while in both games, and then choked them both away. I really wish he had gotten it done.

[msstate7]

Im sure you were telling everyone around you how bad of a play caller he is when we were leading either UT games

You know he lost both, right?

[Cowbeller]

^^^ this!!!! How the hell you gonna get people to sacrifice for the program when you have a loser HC?

Thats my point. Hes working with nothing and we expect the wins to come before the talent. Makes no sense

We’ll do it with the next coach too. He wont get a budget, lose and we’ll argue on this board again. Rinse repeat

[Coursesuper]

TSUN made a push when it was evident they had a winner. It?s tough to get people to write million dollar checks when you don?t believe in the guy leading the team

We have to many that are waiting to believe. Thing is, believing is easy knowing is hard. That?s the issue. They have people who bought in because they know it is the best thing to do for the university. We never have understood that fact. We wait to believe as they know what to do.

[Coursesuper]

This post really reads like ChatGPT gobbledygook. Do better.

Truth sux doesn?t it.

[Todd4State]

We have to many that are waiting to believe. Thing is, believing is easy knowing is hard. That?s the issue. They have people who bought in because they know it is the best thing to do for the university. We never have understood that fact. We wait to believe as they know what to do.

Exactly.

[DawgFromOxford]

If you arent going to watch the Egg Bowl you are at best a fair weather fan and I dont see why Lebby needs to cater to that demo

3 years of demoralizing results with no sign of things getting better. Why waste 4 hours of my day off to watch us get embarrassed by our rivals?

I appreciate your optimism but Lebby has brought this on himself.

[StarkVegasSteve]

We have to many that are waiting to believe. Thing is, believing is easy knowing is hard. That?s the issue. They have people who bought in because they know it is the best thing to do for the university. We never have understood that fact. We wait to believe as they know what to do.

We are reactive and they are proactive. Everything from the AD down to the $5 fan. They are also in lockstep with messaging. We are not. We have too many of the $5 fans that think their opinion matters. They understand that you have to pay to play.

[Coursesuper]

We are reactive and they are proactive. Everything from the AD down to the $5 fan. They are also in lockstep with messaging. We are not. We have too many of the $5 fans that think their opinion matters. They understand that you have to pay to play.

Amen to that. Is and always has been the biggest difference between us.

[Cowbeller]

We are reactive and they are proactive. Everything from the AD down to the $5 fan. They are also in lockstep with messaging. We are not. We have too many of the $5 fans that think their opinion matters. They understand that you have to pay to play.

Elitedawgs should start charging a monthly straight into our NIL so we can confirm the arm chair cowboys are at least putting money where their mouth is

[StarkVegasSteve]

Elitedawgs should start charging a monthly straight into our NIL so we can confirm the arm chair cowboys are at least putting money where their mouth is

Scooba floated that idea……it did not go over well to say the least. I for one love the idea though.

[DawgFromOxford]

We have to many that are waiting to believe. Thing is, believing is easy knowing is hard. That?s the issue. They have people who bought in because they know it is the best thing to do for the university. We never have understood that fact. We wait to believe as they know what to do.

Buying in doesn?t equal success. It makes it easier but there?s plenty of schools spending big money that are trash. A&M pre elko, LSU, Auburn to name a few. You still have to have the right guy to maximize those dollars.

Kiffin proved he could be successful and the money started rolling in. He?s in year 6 and the checkbooks really opened up in year 4. Had Lebby beat UT, UF, and UT he?d have checks coming in too

[Cowbeller]

Buying in doesn?t equal success. It makes it easier but there?s plenty of schools spending big money that are trash. A&M pre elko, LSU, Auburn to name a few. You still have to have the right guy to maximize those dollars.

Kiffin proved he could be successful and the money started rolling in. He?s in year 6 and the checkbooks really opened up in year 4. Had Lebby beat UT, UF, and UT he?d have checks coming in too

Fair point but we dont know how it works here until we do it. And being out on Lebby before we try is asking for a rerun with a different name next go around

[StarkVegasSteve]

Buying in doesn?t equal success. It makes it easier but there?s plenty of schools spending big money that are trash. A&M pre elko, LSU, Auburn to name a few. You still have to have the right guy to maximize those dollars.

Kiffin proved he could be successful and the money started rolling in. He?s in year 6 and the checkbooks really opened up in year 4. Had Lebby beat UT, UF, and UT he?d have checks coming in too

The money started rolling in for Lane July 1,2021. That was the first day NIL became a thing. They had been preparing for months. Our AD was busy plotting how the baseball team could make money off signed baseballs. Again, reactive and not proactive.

We have never gone all in on football. If we ever did, we would be surprised with the results. We could throw 18-22 million together each year for a roster if we would go all in. Unfortunately we will never do it.

[Quaoarsking]

Fair point but we dont know how it works here until we do it. And being out on Lebby before we try is asking for a rerun with a different name next go around

We've now had 2 seasons where Lebby has won fewer games than an "average coach" would have.

This year, the boosters gave him a roster that could easily have 7 or 8 wins right now, maybe 9 with a good coach, and Lebby gave them 5-6. Who's going to give him even more money next year?

I mean, if we knew that the talent was going to improve next year, even I would be willing to give him 1 more chance just to make sure, but all signs point to him having less talent, less fan support, less attendance, less enthusiasm, and ultimately less success and less employment at MSU.

[msstate7]

We've now had 2 seasons where Lebby has won fewer games than an "average coach" would have.

This year, the boosters gave him a roster that could easily have 7 or 8 wins right now, maybe 9 with a good coach, and Lebby gave them 5-6. Who's going to give him even more money next year?

I mean, if we knew that the talent was going to improve next year, even I would be willing to give him 1 more chance just to make sure, but all signs point to him having less talent, less fan support, less attendance, less enthusiasm, and ultimately less success and less employment at MSU.

It's over for Lebby. We won't fire him until after the '26 egg bowl, but he's done

[Coursesuper]

Buying in doesn?t equal success. It makes it easier but there?s plenty of schools spending big money that are trash. A&M pre elko, LSU, Auburn to name a few. You still have to have the right guy to maximize those dollars.

Kiffin proved he could be successful and the money started rolling in. He?s in year 6 and the checkbooks really opened up in year 4. Had Lebby beat UT, UF, and UT he?d have checks coming in too

$$$ make the right guy a much easier target. $$$ make talent acquisition much easier. You are right it takes the right guy. But our situation is not theirs. Neither is the confederates. But they were proactive when they hired Kiffin and have not hesitated to give him and the program everything needed for success. We on the other hand are reactionary. We could have the perfect guy and our lack of support puts them in a lose, lose situation. Until we figure this out our football situation will continue to be as is.

[msstate7]

No wonder Lenny takes no blame in his pressers... why should he? We don't hold him responsible for anything... it's all out fault

[Quaoarsking]

$$$ make the right guy a much easier target. $$$ make talent acquisition much easier. You are right it takes the right guy. But our situation is not theirs. Neither is the confederates. But they were proactive when they hired Kiffin and have not hesitated to give him and the program everything needed for success. We on the other hand are reactionary. We could have the perfect guy and our lack of support puts them in a lose, lose situation. Until we figure this out our football situation will continue to be as is.

Our NIL funders gave Lebby a roster than could have 7, 8, or maybe even 9 wins right now, and he only won 5 thanks to his questionable in-game coaching decisions. They supported him just fine.

[DawgFromOxford]

$$$ make the right guy a much easier target. $$$ make talent acquisition much easier. You are right it takes the right guy. But our situation is not theirs. Neither is the confederates. But they were proactive when they hired Kiffin and have not hesitated to give him and the program everything needed for success. We on the other hand are reactionary. We could have the perfect guy and our lack of support puts them in a lose, lose situation. Until we figure this out our football situation will continue to be as is.

Blame our admin then for not casting a winning vision and successful path forward. If fans are withholding checks then it?s because the value of what they?re giving money to isn?t worth it

[msstate7]

Blame our admin then for not casting a winning vision and successful path forward. If fans are withholding checks then it?s because the value of what they?re giving money to isn?t worth it

It's our fault, not Lebby's. Lebby certainly won't take any blame, and guys like course blame everyone but him too

[Quaoarsking]

Blame our admin then for not casting a winning vision and successful path forward. If fans are withholding checks then it?s because the value of what they?re giving money to isn?t worth it

I wouldn't blame a fan if they withhold a check from Lebby in 2026, since he wasted and squandered the money our big boosters gave him in 2025.

Selfishly, I want them to keep giving money anyway for my own delusional dreams of personal entertainment on Fall Saturdays, but objectively I can understand why they wouldn't.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I wouldn't blame a fan if they withhold a check from Lebby in 2026, since he wasted and squandered the money our big boosters gave him in 2025.

Selfishly, I want them to keep giving money anyway for my own delusional dreams of personal entertainment on Fall Saturdays, but objectively I can understand why they wouldn't.

And the cycle will continue. They will not give money for 2026, give money for 2027, stop because the coach did not do exactly what they want, not give in 2028, give again in 29, and on and on it goes.

At a certain point our fans have to decide that they are all in and are going to continue to give. You have to trust the AD to make the tough decisions when those times come. Because if we continue to give, and it does not work out, then that is something they can sell to a potential coaching candidate. No coach is going to come here when the pitch is, “Well they will support you as long as you do exactly what they tell you and even then they will not support you if it does not go the way they want it to go”

[Coursesuper]

Our NIL funders gave Lebby a roster than could have 7, 8, or maybe even 9 wins right now, and he only won 5 thanks to his questionable in-game coaching decisions. They supported him just fine.

You are so convinced that you have it pegged. Have you been to a game this year? If you did, did you happen to notice the complete line changes and front 7 changes being made by UT, TX and UGA? When someone went down there was no drop off in performance elsewhere. Do you know what that is? Its depth, we dont have it, so spare me the we have all the players we need to win 8 or 9 in the SEC. We could be more competitive in the big 12, but not in the SEC. Why we?re at it other than QB tell me one position on the field where we were better than Miz?

[Quaoarsking]

You are so convinced that you have it pegged. Have you been to a game this year? If you did, did you happen to notice the complete line changes and front 7 changes being made by UT, TX and UGA? When someone went down there was no drop off in performance elsewhere. Do you know what that is? Its depth, we dont have it, so spare me the we have all the players we need to win 8 or 9 in the SEC. We could be more competitive in the big 12, but not in the SEC. Why we?re at it other than QB tell me one position on the field where we were better than Miz?

1. I haven't missed a home game (other than 2020) in over 20 years. (Also, I think it would be easier to notice those things you mentioned while watching on TV anyway, so what a weird fail of a flex...)

2. Regardless of our lack of depth, we can directly point to bad decisions by Lebby that cost us the Florida and Texas games, so that's how you get to 7.

[Coursesuper]

Blame our admin then for not casting a winning vision and successful path forward. If fans are withholding checks then it?s because the value of what they?re giving money to isn?t worth it

One of these days you guys are gonna have to figure out that we, us, are MSU. Not the admin, not anyone else just us. It?s up to us the alumni to make it happen. Take the initiative to just do it, or just keep on waiting and watching for what you want to see and someone to lead you, this seems to be the Missippy Tate way and it has worked out so well for us so far.

[Quaoarsking]

One of these days you guys are gonna have to figure out that we, us, are MSU. Not the admin, not anyone else just us. It?s up to us the alumni to make it happen. Take the initiative to just do it, or just keep on waiting and watching for what you want to see and someone to lead you, this seems to be the Missippy Tate way and it has worked out so well for us so far.

The "Missippy Tate way" is to say that 5-7 is OK because we're just to poor to expect any better than that.

[SPMT]

No idea, but this program is nuclear toxic. As is this alumni and fan base. No coach worth a 17 will touch it. We are a dead end, a place where coaches go to have their careers die. And if this trajectory continues MSU will get shuffled out during the next realignment. There will be no SEC or Big 10, it will be one big conference and our poor ass wont have a seat at the table.

Nonsense. Jackie retired from here, Mullen got a better job because he was here, Leach would?ve retired from here.

Lebby isn?t capable of calling plays and being the head coach. He won?t make it after next year unless he significantly improves his in game head coaching.

He appears to be caught off guard and making off the cuff/spur of the moment decisions during the game. It happens every game.

I would hope he would have noted key routine decisions where he?s already made the decision pregame while not being under duress. Hopefully he has that on his Waffle House menu and maybe he?s just not using it.

[Coursesuper]

1. I haven't missed a home game (other than 2020) in over 20 years. (Also, I think it would be easier to notice those things you mentioned while watching on TV anyway, so what a weird fail of a flex...)

2. Regardless of our lack of depth, we can directly point to bad decisions by Lebby that cost us the Florida and Texas games, so that's how you get to 7.

You want this staff fired, fine pony and pay for it. Nothing between you and them but a phone call and you fronting all the cash for this staff and the next as well as the millions spent to narrow down and acquire said staff. Go for it big guy.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Nonsense. Jackie retired from here, Mullen got a better job because he was here, Leach would?ve retired from here.

Lebby isn?t capable of calling plays and being the head coach. He won?t make it after next year unless he significantly improves his in game head coaching.

He appears to be caught off guard and making off the cuff/spur of the moment decisions during the game. It happens every game.

I would hope he would have noted key routine decisions where he?s already made the decision pregame while not being under duress. Hopefully he has that on his Waffle House menu and maybe he?s just not using it.

I think his point was that right now this job is toxic. And he is right about that. It is. Has been since 2020.

You are right about one thing though, he needs to give up play calling duties. He can have a heavy hand in game planning and obviously can overrule but he needs someone in the booth calling the game.

[Quaoarsking]

You want this staff fired, fine pony and pay for it. Nothing between you and them but a phone call and you fronting all the cash for this staff and the next as well as the millions spent to narrow down and acquire said staff. Go for it big guy.

I literally just posted: "You can't have an opinion unless you are rich enough to personally afford to change things yourself" is a bullѕhit and un-American attitude.

However, if there is an official "Fire Lebby" fund out there, I would gladly donate to it.

[msstate7]

You want this staff fired, fine pony and pay for it. Nothing between you and them but a phone call and you fronting all the cash for this staff and the next as well as the millions spent to narrow down and acquire said staff. Go for it big guy.

This is all you, C34, and SVS have as a defense of keeping Lebby now. Not he's good or worth keeping... just write a big check. Sad

[StarkVegasSteve]

This is all you, C34, and SVS have as a defense of keeping Lebby now. Not he's good or worth keeping... just write a big check. Sad

I think he is worth keeping. I have actually said that on multiple occasions. We sucked tonight, no way around it, but I can see the improvement from last year and I believe next year will be even more improvement. 2027 needs to be the breakthrough year. It will not be if we fire Lebby next year. We need him to work. Plain and Simple.

I also think he needs to go out and spend 1.5-2 million and hire an elite OC and cede play calling duties.

[Bothrops]

We just need to make a push to shift our fanbase into opening their wallet. TSUN made a push and it?s apart of that fanbases culture and look where they are. It?s not impossible to compete here but we are so boo hoo about everything. State fans are States worst enemy.

Ole Miss has way more support than we do for football. We aren't in the same league anymore in that regard. They've moved on by us since Leach died. We're still trying to swallow the idea that you have to pay millions to load your roster every year, and it increases by season. I dont have an answer to this problem. I dont see us spending Ole Miss or Mizzou money on a roster, regardless of coach.

[Quaoarsking]

Ole Miss has way more support than we do for football. We aren't in the same league anymore in that regard. They've moved on by us since our Leach died. We're still trying to swallow the idea that you have to pay millions to load your roster every year, and it increases by season. I dont have an answer to this problem. I dont see us spending Ole Miss or Mizzou money on a roster, regardless of coach.

The frustrating thing is that at least for 2025, we didn't need to. We had a roster than should have beaten Florida and Texas, and potentially Tennessee or Missouri, and Lebby pissed it all away. At least he got Arkansas by 3 though.

Our #1 priority in selecting a coach needs to be in-game coaching. We need a guy who can seize the win when we have a chance.

[Coursesuper]

I literally just posted: "You can't have an opinion unless you are rich enough to personally afford to change things yourself" is a bullѕhit and un-American attitude.

However, if there is an official "Fire Lebby" fund out there, I would gladly donate to it.

Un-American. Well now, that one fits your little world perfectly doesn?t it. Welcome to the real world, it ain?t nice. And without knowing my story or some others here, where we have been and what we have done for America, that inadvertently means you, you might want to be more selective with that un American bullshat.

[Todd4State]

No wonder Lenny takes no blame in his pressers... why should he? We don't hold him responsible for anything... it's all out fault

Boosters and alumni have more power and more say in football programs than ever before in college football. Support matters a lot.

If Lebby is as bad as you think he is and we give him the money and support that he needs to succeed he is going to fail anyway. But at least we will be in position to hire someone good that would improve the program. And if we give Lebby support and he proves you wrong then MSU still wins.

[Coursesuper]

Boosters and alumni have more power and more say in football programs than ever before in college football. Support matters a lot.

If Lebby is as bad as you think he is and we give him the money and support that he needs to succeed he is going to fail anyway. But at least we will be in position to hire someone good that would improve the program. And if we give Lebby support and he proves you wrong then MSU still wins.

Exactly

[StarkVegasSteve]

Ole Miss has way more support than we do for football. We aren't in the same league anymore in that regard. They've moved on by us since Leach died. We're still trying to swallow the idea that you have to pay millions to load your roster every year, and it increases by season. I dont have an answer to this problem. I dont see us spending Ole Miss or Mizzou money on a roster, regardless of coach.

100%. They have been bought in with Lane since day 1. NIL also does not bother them because they were open about paying players for all those decades. We had people who tried to act like we were better than that, even though we were doing the same damn thing. Especially during Jackie and Mullen. Unfortunately I do not know a way to change it other than Selmon just straight up diverting the baseball only money to where it needs to be going, football.

[Todd4State]

The frustrating thing is that at least for 2025, we didn't need to. We had a roster than should have beaten Florida and Texas, and potentially Tennessee or Missouri, and Lebby pissed it all away. At least he got Arkansas by 3 though.

Our #1 priority in selecting a coach needs to be in-game coaching. We need a guy who can seize the win when we have a chance.

The other way you could look at it is we are outmanned and went toe to toe with those teams and had a good chance to win. Which means we're doing something right. We weren't in very many games last year at all.

It also means that if we continue to add depth we will beat them.

This is a classic post where we have fans that overvalue coaching and don't value player talent enough. The problem is always the coach. Never the players. The truth is when you fire the coach it makes it harder to add talent because in this era you're not only firing a coach- you're pretty much pulling the trigger on a complete roster reset.

[Todd4State]

100%. They have been bought in with Lane since day 1. NIL also does not bother them because they were open about paying players for all those decades. We had people who tried to act like we were better than that, even though we were doing the same damn thing. Especially during Jackie and Mullen. Unfortunately I do not know a way to change it other than Selmon just straight up diverting the baseball only money to where it needs to be going, football.

Like I said earlier in this thread or at least today- we need to do what baseball did. Get former MSU football players more involved in the program and pair them with people like Adkerson and etc. and get with Selmon. Lay out a vision for football and then do whatever it takes to make it happen. I'm 100% sure we have more former football players than baseball players.

[Quaoarsking]

Un-American. Well now, that one fits your little world perfectly doesn?t it. Welcome to the real world, it ain?t nice. And without knowing my story or some others here, where we have been and what we have done for America, that inadvertently means you, you might want to be more selective with that un American bullshat.

Cry me a river.

[Coursesuper]

Like I said earlier in this thread or at least today- we need to do what baseball did. Get former MSU football players more involved in the program and pair them with people like Adkerson and etc. and get with Selmon. Lay out a vision for football and then do whatever it takes to make it happen. I'm 100% sure we have more former football players than baseball players.

I like the line of thinking, that said, we have many players and others that were part of the program have been very successful outside of baseball. These guys are the backbone of the group funding the program. One of them pretty much bought out the old staff. Also the sheer amount of money required for football really calls for an all hands on deck approach for us. Don?t you think?

[CaptainObvious]

Ole Miss buying in and giving full support to Lane Kiffin, the current most sought after head football coach in college, and State buying in a giving full support to Jeff Lebby, in his second year as a head football coach, currently with a record of 7-16(1-15 SEC) are not remotely close to the same thing! Maybe if State had hired Drinkwitz or Sarkisian or Jon Sumrall or a number of other guys with similar credentials, thst would be a fair comparison. Lebby was a slightly better hire than Arnett and he sometimes proves with questionable decision making thst he may in fact NOT be a better hire than Arnett. He certainly isn't a better hire for State than Moorhead or Leach were!

[Bothrops]

It's over for Lebby. We won't fire him until after the '26 egg bowl, but he's done

He may be fired before that if he's losing to first year coaches.

[Todd4State]

I like the line of thinking, that said, we have many players and others that were part of the program have been very successful outside of baseball. These guys are the backbone of the group funding the program. One of them pretty much bought out the old staff. Also the sheer amount of money required for football really calls for an all hands on deck approach for us. Don?t you think?

I agree 100%. And football is a lot more daunting than baseball in terms of funds needed. And we don't have as many Bo McKinnis types from our football alumni group but there are some like Dr. Sills.

[Todd4State]

Ole Miss buying in and giving full support to Lane Kiffin, the current most sought after head football coach in college, and State buying in a giving full support to Jeff Lebby, in his second year as a head football coach, currently with a record of 7-16(1-15 SEC) are not remotely close to the same thing! Maybe if State had hired Drinkwitz or Sarkisian or Jon Sumrall or a number of other guys with similar credentials, thst would be a fair comparison. Lebby was a slightly better hire than Arnett and he sometimes proves with questionable decision making thst he may in fact NOT be a better hire than Arnett. He certainly isn't a better hire for State than Moorhead or Leach were!

Drinkwitz was 5-5, 6-7, and 6-7 his first three seasons at Mizzou. And that was after he took over for Barry Odom who was 6-6 before Drinkwitz took over. The way our fans are acting they would have wanted him fired.

[Coursesuper]

Cry me a river.

That one statement tells me all I will ever need to know about you. Total class.

[Coursesuper]

I agree 100%. And football is a lot more daunting than baseball in terms of funds needed. And we don't have as many Bo McKinnis types from our football alumni group but there are some like Dr. Sills.

Bo is great and has done very well but there are more. I don?t know about how involved Al is.

[Quaoarsking]

Drinkwitz was 5-5, 6-7, and 6-7 his first three seasons at Mizzou. And that was after he took over for Barry Odom who was 6-6 before Drinkwitz took over. The way our fans are acting they would have wanted him fired.

No, if Lebby was going .500, his seat wouldn't be warm at all.

[Quaoarsking]

That one statement tells me all I will ever need to know about you. Total class.

At least I can both dish it out and take it in stride when it comes back to me. ‾\_(ツ)_/‾

[Coursesuper]

At least I can both dish it out and take it in stride when it comes back to me. ?\_(ツ)_/?

You are the living embodiment of American exceptionalism aren?t you. You have no idea what you said do you? Or how offensive that is. Way past message board BS. But, just seeing how you think it?s easy to know how your opinions are formed. You aren?t worthy to tread the same ground the many of my brothers did.
From here out don?t enter act with me and I?ll act like you don?t exist, because that is how I see you.

[Bothrops]

I wish I could say he won't be here in 2026, but all signs say he will.

But even half of the self-identified "Lebby supporters" have admitted here that they expect him to be fired after next season, when the schedule gets harder, the NIL support and talent get worse, and the stadium is emptier.

The schedule next season is a huge problem for us.

[Dawgology]

Ole Miss has way more support than we do for football. We aren't in the same league anymore in that regard. They've moved on by us since Leach died. We're still trying to swallow the idea that you have to pay millions to load your roster every year, and it increases by season. I dont have an answer to this problem. I dont see us spending Ole Miss or Mizzou money on a roster, regardless of coach.

This. Exactly. It?s over. They have completely surpassed us in football and it will not be close again for years (maybe decades). Our fans can try to hang their hats on the MSU baseball program but they are in for a rude awakening. As the gap widens between the football programs you will see more funds, interest, and marketing move to Ole Miss?s other sports and it won?t be long until they are outspending us in those as well. Football feeds all and it creates so much value in an athletic program that to not make it the priority is supremely dumb.

[SPMT]

This. Exactly. It?s over. They have completely surpassed us in football and it will not be close again for years (maybe decades). Our fans can try to hang their hats on the MSU baseball program but they are in for a rude awakening. As the gap widens between the football programs you will see more funds, interest, and marketing move to Ole Miss?s other sports and it won?t be long until they are outspending us in those as well. Football feeds all and it creates so much value in an athletic program that to not make it the priority is supremely dumb.

I don?t think it is an either or. I don?t think anyone thinks we should support baseball and not football. We would be fools not to capitalize on baseball, I mean we do have pedigree there. That doesn?t mean we won?t support football as well.

If I?m sitting here as a primary booster for football, I need to hear something from Lebby. I need to hear it from Lebby?s mouth, in person, not through an intermediary. And I know we don?t like booster meddling but that is a naive thought for MSU. He hasn?t earned the ability to tell boosters to stay out of it, like a Saban, Meyer or even Kiffin.

He's a terrible in game coach and that needs to be addressed immediately. If I?m one at that booster level I want to hear it, and know what he plans to do about it before I commit substantial funds.

[BlackSailsDawg]

I wish I could say he won't be here in 2026, but all signs say he will.

But even half of the self-identified "Lebby supporters" have admitted here that they expect him to be fired after next season, when the schedule gets harder, the NIL support and talent get worse, and the stadium is emptier.

He will be. If not, it's all on our money issues.

We want to be that team without paying for that team.

[Quaoarsking]

He will be. If not, it's all on our money issues.

We want to be that team without paying for that team.

We paid for a team that was good enough to have 7 or 8 wins, but Lebby gave us 5.

[Cowbeller]

We paid for a team that was good enough to have 7 or 8 wins, but Lebby gave us 5.

Okay at least youre self admitting to not knowing ball and just arguing to argue. We did not pay enough for 8 wins and we had a chance to. I get the high expectations and I am with you there but to actually achieve them takes planning and reality which you lack.

Everyone pony up what you can for next year and then the firing conversation has merit but we need $2.5M more to improve the line and retain our skill positions and pray the NCAA grants a 5th year for BT0

[StarkVegasSteve]

We paid for a team that was good enough to have 7 or 8 wins, but Lebby gave us 5.

We paid for a team good enough to win MAYBE 6. The playcalling and buy in the staff has gotten from everyone has put us in position to win 7-8. That is not to say Lebby is absolved of fault because you have to close in those games. But we still are not funded at the level needed to be a 7-8 win team. We needed AT MINIMUM 2-4 mil more to get to that point last offseason.

[Quaoarsking]

Okay at least youre self admitting to not knowing ball and just arguing to argue. We did not pay enough for 8 wins and we had a chance to. I get the high expectations and I am with you there but to actually achieve them takes planning and reality which you lack.

Everyone pony up what you can for next year and then the firing conversation has merit but we need $2.5M more to improve the line and retain our skill positions and pray the NCAA grants a 5th year for BT0

Even Lebby's fanboys admit that we should have beaten Texas and Florida but his questionable coaching cost us the games. Too bad we didn't hire someone better or we could be looking at finishing ranked.

It would be one thing if I thought Lebby had learned his lesson and coaching wouldn't be a problem anymore, but I see no evidence of that.

[Quaoarsking]

We paid for a team good enough to win MAYBE 6. The playcalling and buy in the staff has gotten from everyone has put us in position to win 7-8. That is not to say Lebby is absolved of fault because you have to close in those games. But we still are not funded at the level needed to be a 7-8 win team. We needed AT MINIMUM 2-4 mil more to get to that point last offseason.

That's "poor ol Mississippi State" thinking. We were absolutely good enough to beat 3-9 Florida with any reasonably competent coach and instead Lebbyed it up.

Texas and Arch have been overrated all year and were ripe for the taking, and again Lebby alone turned a win into a loss.

No, we didn't spend more NIL money than either, but our roster was good enough to get those wins anyway, thanks largely to problems at those other schools, and our substandard coach took that away from us.

[R2Dawg]

No idea, but this program is nuclear toxic. As is this alumni and fan base. No coach worth a 17 will touch it. We are a dead end, a place where coaches go to have their careers die. And if this trajectory continues MSU will get shuffled out during the next realignment. There will be no SEC or Big 10, it will be one big conference and our poor ass wont have a seat at the table.

The SEC don't want us to go anywhere. Every week someone has to lose; they like it being us.

[R2Dawg]

That's "poor ol Mississippi State" thinking. We were absolutely good enough to beat 3-9 Florida with any reasonably competent coach and instead Lebbyed it up.

Texas and Arch have been overrated all year and were ripe for the taking, and again Lebby alone turned a win into a loss.

No, we didn't spend more NIL money than either, but our roster was good enough to get those wins anyway, thanks largely to problems at those other, and our substandard coach took that away from us.

Dead on. We should be 8-3 right now at worst.

[R2Dawg]

We paid for a team good enough to win MAYBE 6. The playcalling and buy in the staff has gotten from everyone has put us in position to win 7-8. That is not to say Lebby is absolved of fault because you have to close in those games. But we still are not funded at the level needed to be a 7-8 win team. We needed AT MINIMUM 2-4 mil more to get to that point last offseason.

No one knows what a win cost but what we spent is irrelevant. We had enough talent to win 8 this year as the season has proved. Don't lose the team and we probably win 1-2 more but that is lost now.

[R2Dawg]

And the cycle will continue. They will not give money for 2026, give money for 2027, stop because the coach did not do exactly what they want, not give in 2028, give again in 29, and on and on it goes.

At a certain point our fans have to decide that they are all in and are going to continue to give. You have to trust the AD to make the tough decisions when those times come. Because if we continue to give, and it does not work out, then that is something they can sell to a potential coaching candidate. No coach is going to come here when the pitch is, ?Well they will support you as long as you do exactly what they tell you and even then they will not support you if it does not go the way they want it to go?

Not really. People with the money make the decisions. At end of the day, they want to spend money to win. No bank invest money in anything that loses. You just don't keep giving to throw money away you know isn't going to provide a return.

[Activated Alpha]

I guaran-****ing-tee that, if Lebby was 8-3 right now and we had a shot of shutting up Kiffin and the asshats up north, the money would flow

[DownwardDawg]

He will not be our coach in 2027. Selmon leaves for Oklahoma after the holidays. The new AD will have to look at Lebby's performance and say WTF?? After a 4 or 5 win season next year he will be fired. Hopefully everyone in the country won't be looking for a new coach like this season. We are just screwed right now.

[Todd4State]

That's "poor ol Mississippi State" thinking. We were absolutely good enough to beat 3-9 Florida with any reasonably competent coach and instead Lebbyed it up.

Texas and Arch have been overrated all year and were ripe for the taking, and again Lebby alone turned a win into a loss.

No, we didn't spend more NIL money than either, but our roster was good enough to get those wins anyway, thanks largely to problems at those other schools, and our substandard coach took that away from us.

Poor ol' Mississippi State is being mad that you paid enough for 6 wins and didn't get 8 wins "because you had a chance." Most logical people would just pay the other 2-4 million to get the better players. Better players lead to better coaching decisions. Because when you have 4th and 3 and you go for it behind a competent offensive line that isn't garbage you are much more likely to get it and then all of a sudden the coach looks a lot smarter. Also, your QB's don't get sacked 40 times with better players and all of a sudden plays work better when your QB isn't getting hit every play. That goes for Shapen and KT by the way.

You can't be mad when the program is set up for failure and then the program fails.

[Quaoarsking]

Poor ol' Mississippi State is being mad that you paid enough for 6 wins and didn't get 8 wins "because you had a chance." Most logical people would just pay the other 2-4 million to get the better players. Better players lead to better coaching decisions. Because when you have 4th and 3 and you go for it behind a competent offensive line that isn't garbage you are much more likely to get it and then all of a sudden the coach looks a lot smarter. Also, your QB's don't get sacked 40 times with better players and all of a sudden plays work better when your QB isn't getting hit every play. That goes for Shapen and KT by the way.

You can't be mad when the program is set up for failure and then the program fails.

"Poor ol' Mississippi State" is being OK with only getting 5 wins (come on, we aren't getting 6) when you were good enough to get 8 and the coach is the only reach why you failed to do so.

[Todd4State]

"Poor ol' Mississippi State" is being OK with only getting 5 wins (come on, we aren't getting 6) when you were good enough to get 8 and the coach is the only reach why you failed to do so.

The difference is we have the TALENT to win 5. This isn't like Moorhead where we had the talent to win 10+ in 2018. Lebby isn't the only reason why we have lost games. We literally can not sustain any injuries and have zero margin for error right now. That's due to our personnel. We can not block. The fact that we have averaged 30+ PPG is actually pretty remarkable behind that line.


Also, if I was "OK" with it I wouldn't be telling you how to fix it and how to improve. But instead of listening to me and others you just want to fire everyone like it's 2016 again.

[TrapGame]

If Lebby gets trucked in the EB by a lot he may not be coaching here next year. There are rumblings. Now if Lebby coaches a good game, keeps it close or miraculously wins then he will be back. But if this is a 2008 Egg Bowl situation then his chances of being here next year are slim.

And if Lane leaves after we let Lebby go, keep an eye on Joe Judge. He is not the same Joe we almost hired five years ago. He is a major cog in running that program. He and his wife want to stay in SEC country, preferably in Mississippi.

[Coursesuper]

If Lebby gets trucked in the EB by a lot he may not be coaching here next year. There are rumblings. Now if Lebby coaches a good game, keeps it close or miraculously wins then he will be back. But if this is a 2008 Egg Bowl situation then his chances of being here next year are slim.

And if Lane leaves after we let Lebby go, keep an eye on Joe Judge. He is not the same Joe we almost hired five years ago. He is a major cog in running that program. He and his wife want to stay in SEC country, preferably in Mississippi.

Who that matters is rumbling? I haven't heard a peep.

[TrapGame]

Who that matters is rumbling? I haven't heard a peep.

How many of your guys are 100% still on Lebby.

I have heard that the regression over the last few games is concerning. It has raised some eyebrows. How Lebby handles the EB is going to tell a lot of people if he really should get year three.

Of course my guy probably doesn?t know shit except for a few people just running off at the mouth after a bad loss. But I?d be remiss if I didn?t bring it up for the board.

[StarkVegasSteve]

If Lebby gets trucked in the EB by a lot he may not be coaching here next year. There are rumblings. Now if Lebby coaches a good game, keeps it close or miraculously wins then he will be back. But if this is a 2008 Egg Bowl situation then his chances of being here next year are slim.

And if Lane leaves after we let Lebby go, keep an eye on Joe Judge. He is not the same Joe we almost hired five years ago. He is a major cog in running that program. He and his wife want to stay in SEC country, preferably in Mississippi.

There are no rumblings. NONE. There's Bo Bounds trying to stir controversy to drive listeners to his dying on the vine shitty radio program. He's still pissed Selmon told him to kick rocks and cut his access.

[TrapGame]

There are no rumblings. NONE. There's Bo Bounds trying to stir controversy to drive listeners to his dying on the vine shitty radio program. He's still pissed Selmon told him to kick rocks and cut his access.

Bo Bounds aside, if Lane beats Lebby like a rented mule in two weeks things could go sideways quick. That?s just who we are.

My personal opinion is Lebby comes back no matter what the outcome but I believe he will be pretty much forced to get rid of some coaches. DC and ST are the big ones to upgrade.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Bo Bounds aside, if Lane beats Lebby like a rented mule in two weeks things could go sideways quick. That?s just who we are.

My personal opinion is Lebby comes back no matter what the outcome but I believe he will be pretty much forced to get rid of some coaches. DC and ST are the big ones to upgrade.

Lebby will be back for 2026 unless he chooses to leave. That is a take it to the bank guarantee. The big money people see the progress. They know changes need to happen, but they know those changes aren't in the top job.

You're not wrong on your second part though. He's been told we need to look to upgrade at DC and STC. And I have it on pretty good authority that the self scout from him was not great yesterday. He more and more sees that he can't do everything and he is going to have to step back from playcalling for now. I would not be surprised if Matt, Benton, and Tanner handled a lot of playcalling for the Egg Bowl.

[Activated Alpha]

Lebby will be back for 2026 unless he chooses to leave. That is a take it to the bank guarantee. The big money people see the progress. They know changes need to happen, but they know those changes aren't in the top job.

You're not wrong on your second part though. He's been told we need to look to upgrade at DC and STC. And I have it on pretty good authority that the self scout from him was not great yesterday. He more and more sees that he can't do everything and he is going to have to step back from playcalling for now. I would not be surprised if Matt, Benton, and Tanner handled a lot of playcalling for the Egg Bowl.

**** I was hoping you would say Art would be handling the playcall

[StarkVegasSteve]

**** I was hoping you would say Art would be handling the playcall

Well Art isn't on staff in an official capacity and doesn't live in Starkville full time. So it would be kind of difficult to say the least. But make no mistake, I believe he'll be at practice for the next two weeks.

[Coursesuper]

He will not be our coach in 2027. Selmon leaves for Oklahoma after the holidays. The new AD will have to look at Lebby's performance and say WTF?? After a 4 or 5 win season next year he will be fired. Hopefully everyone in the country won't be looking for a new coach like this season. We are just screwed right now.

You really need to understand how the situation actually works. No AD on his own can hire or fire a big three or WBB coach without the blessings of the boosters funding the thing now. There is just too much money involved in the firing, procurement and hiring of a new staff not to mention the impact of NIL on these situations.

[Quaoarsking]

You really need to understand how the situation actually works. No AD on his own can hire or fire a big three or WBB coach without the blessings of the boosters funding the thing now. There is just too much money involved in the firing, procurement and hiring of a new staff not to mention the impact of NIL on these situations.

And that's bad news for Lebby, since the AD is his personal friend from their old job and would be more inclined to keep him longer than the boosters who are wasting their money on Lebby's teams.

[Goldendawg]

How many of your guys are 100% still on Lebby.

I have heard that the regression over the last few games is concerning. It has raised some eyebrows. How Lebby handles the EB is going to tell a lot of people if he really should get year three.

Of course my guy probably doesn?t know shit except for a few people just running off at the mouth after a bad loss. But I?d be remiss if I didn?t bring it up for the board.

I don't expect another miracle win, even like AZ State or even the worst team in the SEC, Arkansas. 45-0, Croom, "I didn't see that one coming" could easily be the result as we didn't show up the last two games. Our "improved" defense is also back at the bottom of the SEC facing another team with a very good RB.

[Goldendawg]

Bo Bounds aside, if Lane beats Lebby like a rented mule in two weeks things could go sideways quick. That?s just who we are.

My personal opinion is Lebby comes back no matter what the outcome but I believe he will be pretty much forced to get rid of some coaches. DC and ST are the big ones to upgrade.

Next year, in the portal, development , and on the field results will also show quickly if our OL coach can get the job done. His line at Colorado last year was terrible and they were sack city, yet we hire him.

[TrapGame]

Next year, in the portal, development , and on the field results will also show quickly if our OL coach can get the job done. His line at Colorado last year was terrible and they were sack city, yet we hire him.

And what is just weird is this line will let a rusher through untouched one play and the next play they give Shapen four and half seconds to throw the ball.

[Goldendawg]

And what is just weird is this line will let a rusher through untouched one play and the next play they give Shapen four and half seconds to throw the ball.

Is said we spent quite a bit of money on the portal OL for this year. questionable quality and quantity, (bad evaluations or our favorite excuse the best we could get?). A couple of them don't even dress out for games and several couldn't beat out RS Fr Lewis or true Soph Work who have been forced to play too early and even out of position. JMO.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Is said we spent quite a bit of money on the portal OL for this year. questionable quality and quantity. A couple of them don't even dress out for games and several couldn't beat out RS Fr Lewis or true Soph Work who have been forced to play too early and even out of position. JMO.

The issue was that some of that money was spent on players before Loadholt got here. When he got here he saw that 2 of the guys we had signed couldn't play and couldn't beat out anyone we currently had. That's why we had to scramble in the spring portal to get Steen and Owens.

It's no excuse because ultimately that does fall on Lebby but it was a thing where we couldn't get Loadholt until after Colorado was done and we couldn't just sit on our hands in terms of lineman either. We also missed on a few guys. I know two of our biggest misses both ended up at OM, Kutas and Townsend.

[Goldendawg]

The issue was that some of that money was spent on players before Loadholt got here. When he got here he saw that 2 of the guys we had signed couldn't play and couldn't beat out anyone we currently had. That's why we had to scramble in the spring portal to get Steen and Owens.

It's no excuse because ultimately that does fall on Lebby but it was a thing where we couldn't get Loadholt until after Colorado was done and we couldn't just sit on our hands in terms of lineman either. We also missed on a few guys. I know two of our biggest misses both ended up at OM, Kutas and Townsend.

How does that equate to the performance of the OL at Colorado last year? Even though they have overated Prime as HC, is their quality of OL players even worse than us and we of course are in the brutal SEC?

Also, I just counted and we have 14 WR's on our roster (did not count TE's in this total) and only 2 have really stepped forward this year. Mosley has disappeared and OM transfer has not really stepped up. Again, bad evaluations, or development in this group? Some of the names from the portal don't even have a catch. Is there only so many targets to go around and not enough time from the OL to get more passes off or a combination of all these factors? This was supposedly one of our strongest rooms and only 2 can be depended on. What is your take?

[DownwardDawg]

You really need to understand how the situation actually works. No AD on his own can hire or fire a big three or WBB coach without the blessings of the boosters funding the thing now. There is just too much money involved in the firing, procurement and hiring of a new staff not to mention the impact of NIL on these situations.

I understand. That's why I know Selmon pretty much had nothing to do with the baseball hire. But he had everything to do with the Lebby hire. I'm sure he pushed and sold the idea of Lebby to the folks that make the decision.

I'm just saying if you hired me this spring to be AD at State, I would be meeting with all the money folks and telling them we need a new HC in football if there's not a big change.

[Maroon Glasses]

How does that equate to the performance of the OL at Colorado last year? Even though they have overated Prime as HC, is their quality of OL players even worse than us and we of course are in the brutal SEC?

Also, I just counted and we have 14 WR's on our roster (did not count TE's in this total) and only 2 have really stepped forward this year. Mosley has disappeared and OM transfer has not really stepped up. Again, bad evaluations, or development in this group? Some of the names from the portal don't even have a catch. Is there only so many targets to go around and not enough time from the OL to get more passes off or a combination of all these factors? This was supposedly one of our strongest rooms and only 2 can be depended on. What is your take?

Ouch. 14? I haven't really sit down and looked at the full roster. You're right.. we basically have 2 WR. Williams is pretty much non existent. Mosley disappeared. We recruited Stonka as a wr so basically thats another miss even tho he is on defense now. He was highly rated tho so I shouldn't call it a miss. I wonder how many of those 14 are getting paid?

To your question I think it's a combination of both but more of how bad our O Line is. It's historically bad. Even if Shapen has time, it still has to be in the back of his head that he is about to get hit again. So even when there isn't pressure.. there is still pressure due to being hit so much imo.

[Coursesuper]

Ouch. 14? I haven't really sit down and looked at the full roster. You're right.. we basically have 2 WR. Williams is pretty much non existent. Mosley disappeared. We recruited Stonka as a wr so basically thats another miss even tho he is on defense now. He was highly rated tho so I shouldn't call it a miss. I wonder how many of those 14 are getting paid?

To your question I think it's a combination of both but more of how bad our O Line is. It's historically bad. Even if Shapen has time, it still has to be in the back of his head that he is about to get hit again. So even when there isn't pressure.. there is still pressure due to being hit so much imo.

Burnside was an easy talent to spot and if you saw him play in high school it was no brainer to see he was a safety. Kid is from Starkville and everyone was in his ear he was the next AJ Brown so sign him prove to him he cant cut it a WR then put him where you should. He has all the ability to play Safety on the next level now its up to him to get there.

[Todd4State]

The issue was that some of that money was spent on players before Loadholt got here. When he got here he saw that 2 of the guys we had signed couldn't play and couldn't beat out anyone we currently had. That's why we had to scramble in the spring portal to get Steen and Owens.

It's no excuse because ultimately that does fall on Lebby but it was a thing where we couldn't get Loadholt until after Colorado was done and we couldn't just sit on our hands in terms of lineman either. We also missed on a few guys. I know two of our biggest misses both ended up at OM, Kutas and Townsend.

That's why I'm not too down on Loadholt right now.

[Todd4State]

How does that equate to the performance of the OL at Colorado last year? Even though they have overated Prime as HC, is their quality of OL players even worse than us and we of course are in the brutal SEC?

Also, I just counted and we have 14 WR's on our roster (did not count TE's in this total) and only 2 have really stepped forward this year. Mosley has disappeared and OM transfer has not really stepped up. Again, bad evaluations, or development in this group? Some of the names from the portal don't even have a catch. Is there only so many targets to go around and not enough time from the OL to get more passes off or a combination of all these factors? This was supposedly one of our strongest rooms and only 2 can be depended on. What is your take?

I think you are looking at things in a vacuum somewhat. Sanders held onto the ball way too long too often at Colorado. Most Colorado fans wanted to keep Loadholt and think he improved their line. Because of the timing of the hire of Loadholt that StarkvilleSteve was talking about I'm giving Loadholt mostly a pass this year but I think we'll see what he can do with a full offseason. Plus he is a lot more familiar with Lebby's offense than Kennedy was so I think there is a good chance he works out. But right now it looks pretty awful. We've also lost our tackles to injuries this year and that's obviously an issue.

As far as the WR's I think we just tried to get as many guys as we could and hoped that some would emerge. And that has happened with Thompson and Evans. I think Ayden Williams has improved and it was good to see SanFrisco step up against Mizzou. He is young. It would be nice to rotate six guys through at WR but WR is not even close to our biggest issue right now. I saw a graphic a couple of weeks ago about the top 10 WR's in the SEC and four of them either currently played for MSU or played for MSU last year so I think we're doing OK at WR. And of course, a better offensive line helps the WR's out as well as you know too.

[Todd4State]

I understand. That's why I know Selmon pretty much had nothing to do with the baseball hire. But he had everything to do with the Lebby hire. I'm sure he pushed and sold the idea of Lebby to the folks that make the decision.

I'm just saying if you hired me this spring to be AD at State, I would be meeting with all the money folks and telling them we need a new HC in football if there's not a big change.

To me, if Selmon leaves that pretty much makes Lebby coming back an even bigger slam dunk for 2026 than it is now. No AD is just going to immediately fire the football coach. Selmon didn't even do that with Arnett. Byrne didn't even do that with Croom and he had been working at MSU before he was even named AD. Now, a new AD might fire Lebby after 2026 if it's warranted.

[Goldendawg]

Burnside was an easy talent to spot and if you saw him play in high school it was no brainer to see he was a safety. Kid is from Starkville and everyone was in his ear he was the next AJ Brown so sign him prove to him he cant cut it a WR then put him where you should. He has all the ability to play Safety on the next level now its up to him to get there.

Stonka is a safety now and listed as so. I'm talking about 14 WR's on this year's roster who are all Lebby's and Bumpus's guys and only two have been successful this year. Some of the portal guys don't even have a catch or see the field except on ST. A FR with one or two catches at the time, was running (told incorrectly) that highly debated play call against FL when our 6th year QB stated that he didn't see a 6'5' 320 nose tackle drop into coverage.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Lebby being here in 2027 will be determined by the 2026 season. He did enough this year by beating ASU and Arky to give him another year.

[Dawgface]

We are losing at Minnesota next year book it because they actually have a coach that knows ball

Yep. 3-9 is our ceiling next year. Lots to look forward to.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Yes, I believe he is. If it were me, I would spend 5 million dollars this offseason for the best OL and DL we can get. Then let Kamario do what he is capable of doing.