The Governor's Cup

[EdwardDrayton]

Weather delay. Anyone have an estimate on how long?

[CaptainObvious]

Weather delay. Anyone have an estimate on how long?

The apathy is so thick I don't think anyone here cares.

[R2Dawg]

1-0 Dawgs I say call the game now.

[EdwardDrayton]

The apathy is so thick I don't think anyone here cares.

I think all of us are tempted by a Netflix series or a Prime movie instead of. But we repel the Jezebels and maintain our fidelity. *****

[EdwardDrayton]

Why is ESPN always the last to know the game has started?!!!!??!! $&@!?#%+>

[mparkerfd20]

Ump is all over the place with balls and strikes. Think the f'r is blind in one eye and can't see out of the other.

[Saltydog]

Get Sullivan outta there.......They'll kill his ass a second time thru the lineup.......

[Leroy Jenkins]

I feel like the announcers just learned a new phrase. ?Pitchers best friend?

[Activated Alpha]

Things like that will sink us. We can't make those type of mistakes and get to the post season

[BuckyIsAB****]

Pathetic

[Thick]

Bad decisions on the base paths. It?s the same mistakes every week, every season with Lemonis coached teams. 17ing sick of watching this shit! It?s like we go out of our way to give games away.

[Coach34]

Stop with the walks. Damn

[Coach34]

Bad decisions on the base paths. It?s the same mistakes every week, every season with Lemonis coached teams. 17ing sick of watching this shit! It?s like we go out of our way to give games away.

Highfill is a moron

[BuckyIsAB****]

How many more innings are we gonna waste with this staff

[Saltydog]

Pruitt is another portal miss. He's been trash all year and I'm sure we're paying him well.

[Thick]

There you have it! By the way, is Pruitt supposed to be an SEC pitcher? I?m not seeing it!

[HoopsDawg]

There you have it! By the way, is Pruitt supposed to be an SEC pitcher? I?m not seeing it!

Does the coaching staff not realize this is a must win game?

[Coach34]

We have a team of 1st basemen playing the field. **** Reese

[BuckyIsAB****]

What happens when you lose must win
Games for 4 years

[Cooterpoot]

Running mistake, half-assed defense, terrible pitching, little scoring- our whole season in one game

[Thick]

Let?s bring in a pitcher that has given up 11 hits, 11 runs, and has an era above 10 vs an SEC team in a must win situation. I?ve tried to be positive and patient, but not anymore, 17 Lemonis and our AD if we retain that dumbass any longer!! Even if we win this game, 17 him, bc we will see this bullshit for the rest of the season!

[EdwardDrayton]

Best announcer comment ever: "Ace Reese: 'I got the shift right here'." LOL!!!!

[Coach34]

Cmon Hunter- get out of this slump

[Coach34]

How bout no.

[Thick]

Hines was so much better when he was fat!

[Coach34]

Attaboy Trout!!!!

[EdwardDrayton]

Bryce Chance doin' work. 17 yeah.

[Coach34]

attaboy Highfill.....7-5 State

[EdwardDrayton]

LET'S GO DAWGS!!!! 7-5!!!!!!!

[HoopsDawg]

Great job Chance

[EdwardDrayton]

Dirty unis tonight fellas!! Let's 17ING GO!!!

[EdwardDrayton]

Li'l Mike to the mound!!!

[Cooterpoot]

Lookie Lookie they stopped playing like nookie

[Coach34]

agree 100 bringing on McPh here

[Activated Alpha]

agree 100 bringing on McPh here

Just don't need him to implode like our bullpen on the weekend

[EdwardDrayton]

Damn. I want my coach doing combat crawls to home plate and tossing grenades right there. Go to war for your kids.

[EdwardDrayton]

McPherson draggin' a pair of big huevos.

[Thick]

Again, this stadium has poor camera angles, and Lemonis should know this by now. Struck Furniss out anyway, but now no more challenges for the last 3 innings.

[EdwardDrayton]

Damn ump. You $uck.

[Coach34]

Close this out with Simmons and Williams. They are our dudes. Win or lose

[EdwardDrayton]

Chance making a strong case for the player of the game.

[Thick]

Vandy loses to ORU, LSU down 6-2 vs Northwestern St through 3, AR run rules Little Rock, Missouri St run rules Missouri, AU beats GT 1-0.

[Coach34]

We trying to put them away here in the 8th.

[EdwardDrayton]

Bryce with a BB. Li'l Mike to the mound again.

[Coach34]

lol- NW State up 7-2 on LSU. NW St is Delta St

[EdwardDrayton]

17 me. I 17ing hate analytics over intuition.

[HoopsDawg]

17 me. I 17ing hate analytics over intuition.

What do you mean? We tried to bunt. That's anti-analytics.

[EdwardDrayton]

I want to win this game in the worst way. But I want Lemonis 17ing gone. Why is he still here?!!?!!!

[Thick]

2 men on base, no outs, and we can?t even advance the runners?.it?s that kind of shit that drives me crazy, bc that can get you beat in this league. Just like 2-10 with the bases loaded this past weekend.

[EdwardDrayton]

What do you mean? We tried to bunt. That's anti-analytics.

Two run lead two on no outs? The 'smart' play is to bunt them over. I didn't like it.

[Coach34]

Extending McPh. hmmmmmm

[EdwardDrayton]

Extending McPh. hmmmmmm

It's definitely a gamble.

[EdwardDrayton]

Whew. Bryce is the man tonight.

[Thick]

If McPherson can develop a change up in the off season, he will be hell to deal with next year.

[EdwardDrayton]

McPherson mans up!! LFG!!!

[HoopsDawg]

McPherson probably burned until Sunday but I agree with the decision.

[HoopsDawg]

Whew. Bryce is the man tonight.

That was O'Brien.

[EdwardDrayton]

McPherson probably burned until Sunday but I agree with the decision.

It was a gamble but it paid off. Whatever it takes. I hate these mfkers and want to win. Lord, I apologize for that right there.

[EdwardDrayton]

That was O'Brien.

Thanks Hoops. My miss.

[Coach34]

We're a Top 25 baseball team. We just simply arent clutch at all

[CaptainObvious]

Reeves at bat there is what irks me more than anything. Hanging curve that floats across the plate- strike 1, fast ball down the middle-strike 2, swing at a change up at your ankles-swinging strike 3. Next man up, Reese is battling from the first pitch to the hard grounder off the 1st baseman in pitch 7. We absolutely refuse the swing at a breaking ball in the inside part of the plate from the RH pitcher to a RH hitter. And before anyone says those are swing and miss pitches, Florida pounded our pitchers breakers all over the yard!

[Coach34]

Who closes to get 3 outs?

[EdwardDrayton]

Who closes to get 3 outs?

The million $ ?

[HoopsDawg]

Who closes to get 3 outs?

Wow

[BeardoMSU]

Yay...

[Coach34]

I hate this coaching staff

[EdwardDrayton]

17 me

[EdwardDrayton]

I hate this coaching staff

Word

[Coach34]

stupid decision after stupid decision

[CaptainObvious]

Classic Lemonis waiting two batters too late. You cannot make this crap up!

[State82]

Maybe. Just maybe the misery ends tonight.

[DawgFromOxford]

Well look at that another game we don?t have the ability to step on their throat and instead we choke it away.

[CaptainObvious]

Now we start burning pitchers on a damn Tuesday game with an important SEC series coming up!

[EdwardDrayton]

Maybe. Just maybe the misery ends tonight.

Not a chance. Our leadership is clueless.

[HoopsDawg]

stupid decision after stupid decision

So many things have happened in this game that explain our season's record.

[HoopsDawg]

Now we start burning pitchers on a damn Tuesday game with an important SEC series coming up!

This game is just as important.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Same crap,different day. This is why he will be fired. He is just a bad coach. The players that he inherited made him seem ok and even then it was not hard to see his mismanagement. I go back to the CWS in 19 when he pulls JT too early to go to Cole Gordon. Cole had not been extended the whole year.

[EdwardDrayton]

So many things have happened in this game that explain our season's record.

Isn't that the truth.

[StarkVegasSteve]

This game is just as important.

It really is not. It is a midweek game. We need to stop treating it like anything else. They treat it like a midweek game and we should too.

[Cooterpoot]

It really is not. It is a midweek game. We need to stop treating it like anything else. They treat it like a midweek game and we should too.

Our RPI needs it. We need wins over ranked teams in a bad way.

[EdwardDrayton]

It really is not. It is a midweek game. We need to stop treating it like anything else. They treat it like a midweek game and we should too.

Sorry SVS. It's the WEBELS. It just means more. Midweek or otherwise.

[Thick]

It really is not. It is a midweek game. We need to stop treating it like anything else. They treat it like a midweek game and we should too.

It?s an rpi game for us.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Our RPI needs it. We need wins over ranked teams in a bad way.

Then win a weekend. It is sad we have to count on a freaking midweek game to save our RPI. That is how in the can this program is.

[HoopsDawg]

It really is not. It is a midweek game. We need to stop treating it like anything else. They treat it like a midweek game and we should too.

Steve, you are simply wrong. Even Kendall Rogers said the committee views this game as a conference game. Also see Cooters post.

[mparkerfd20]

Our coaching staff are donkey dicks. Just plain stupid.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Steve, you are simply wrong. Even Kendall Rogers said the committee views this game as a conference game. Also see Cooters post.

Again see my latest post. The fact that we have to count on a damn midweek game to save our RPI tells you how in the can this program is. Treat it like a midweek and then win the weekend series against them. But hey, lets give Keenum another stupid ass trophy he can put on his mantle and act like our baseball program is not a joke.

[CaptainObvious]

So their reliever had thrown 34 pitches and struck out 6 of the batters he had faced prior to Chances fly out!

[StarkVegasSteve]

We are not going to no matter what happens but it really would give the program a little juice to go ahead and get rid of him tonight, win or lose. We are just delaying the inevitable at this point. Another classic late game Lemonis masterclass in decision making.

[HoopsDawg]

That pitch wasn't close to a strike on Sanders.

[RezDog7]

You all know how this ends

[EdwardDrayton]

That pitch wasn't close to a strike on Sanders.

Not ...... even ....... close. Sheesh.

[Cowbell]

That pitch wasn't close to a strike on Sanders.

Nearly hit him

[Cowbell]

You all know how this ends

It's like we have all been here together before. So many times

[EdwardDrayton]

We are not going to no matter what happens but it really would give the program a little juice to go ahead and get rid of him tonight, win or lose. We are just delaying the inevitable at this point. Another classic late game Lemonis masterclass in decision making.

I so want him gone. End the misery. Please.

[DawgFromOxford]

That pitch wasn't close to a strike on Sanders.

Between the check swing strikes and ringing sanders up on a ball in at his elbows the umps did us no favors that inning. They?re clearly ready to go home too

[StarkVegasSteve]

You all know how this ends

The same way every close game the last 3 and a half years has ended. We will either

A) Lose it right here.

B) Get out of this inning, and lose it in the 11th after getting a couple on with no outs.

C) Get out of this inning, take a lead, and still lose

D) Get out of this inning, score like 4 the next inning, give up 3, load the bases, and get out of it to get the W.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I so want him gone. End the misery. Please.

This is becoming the Arnept situation quicker than I could have imagined. Maybe Selmon will sack up like he did in that situation this time as well. Waiting does nothing but further piss off and already pissed off fan base.

[HoopsDawg]

Are you kidding me? Dotson gets squeezed.

[BeardoMSU]

That was strike 3, lol.

[Skydawg1]

Ballgame

[HoopsDawg]

Are you kidding me? Dotson gets squeezed.

Wow. Should have been strike 3.

That should do it for the 2025 season and for Lemonis.

[Cooterpoot]

What a dumbass decision to pitch to Furness

[Thick]

FIRE HIS FAT ASS TONIGHT!

[ZedFedder]

It was close on that call, but alas, we lose. Just get me to the end when Lemonis is gone.

[DawgFromOxford]

Welp that?s the nail in the coffin for Lemonis. It?s one thing for him to lose, it?s another thing for him to lose to OM

[HoopsDawg]

That was strike 3, lol.

Can't believe the strike call on Sanders in T10 and ball on Furniss in B10. I think umps were sick of Lemonis riding them.

[parabrave]

Well that should settle it. Was talking to a former player tonite about Lemon and he said the problem with the team program wide.

[Cooterpoot]

Welp that?s the nail in the coffin for Lemonis. It?s one thing for him to lose, it?s another thing for him to lose to OM

Keenum won't be happy

[StarkVegasSteve]

I personally cannot wait to see how Rosebowl spins this one.

April 22nd: I am always behind the Mississippi State HC and I truly believe Chris Lemonis can turn it around.

The minute we fire him: I always knew he was below average and it would come out when the Cohen/Cannizarro talent ran out.

[BeardoMSU]

Keenum won't be happy

It's all he cares about. And that's one of many reasons he's shitty at his job.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Welp that?s the nail in the coffin for Lemonis. It?s one thing for him to lose, it?s another thing for him to lose to OM

So what if he sweeps them in Starkville? Why do we put such a high value on beating OM? Half of y’all said LSU was our real rival in baseball 3 years ago.

[Brobi-wan]

Bye Lemonis. Thanks for 2021

[EdwardDrayton]

I am beyond angry. More than I have ever been as a lifelong fan of Mississippi State. This is on Selmon and Keenum for shirking their leadership role and allowing this $hitshow to continue. We the fans must exert our collective influence to change the direction of our program. This cannot continue.

[StarkVegasSteve]

It's all he cares about. And that's one of many reasons he's shitty at his job.

No he is shitty at his job because we focus all our student recruiting efforts on the Delta and a bunch of students who fail out after the first semester.

[DawgFromOxford]

Yall remember in the 8th inning when we had 2 guys on with no outs and Lemonis asked a guy who can?t bunt to bunt and we go on to score 0 runs in the inning? Good times

[KOdawg1]

I personally cannot wait to see how Rosebowl spins this one.

April 22nd: I am also behind the Mississippi State HC and I truly believe Chris Lemonis can turn it around. .
Did he really say this? Wow what a moron. I don't know how anyone takes that dude seriously. Letting my GP subscription expire was the easiest decision I've ever made.

[BeardoMSU]

I am beyond angry. More than I have ever been as a lifelong fan of Mississippi State. This is on Selmon and Keenum for shirking their leadership role and allowing this $hitshow to continue. We the fans must exert our collective influence to change the direction of our program. This cannot continue.

This?? THIS game has you the most angry you've ever been, lol? Wtf?

[DawgPounder]

I don’t think we’re counting Lemonis out just yet. Governor’s Cup is just a participation trophy at this point. We can still sweep those sorry suckers at the Dude in a couple weeks.

[Skydawg1]

Well that should settle it. Was talking to a former player tonite about Lemon and he said the problem with the team program wide.Can you clean this post up a bit? Was Lemon the problem "team wide"?

[BeardoMSU]

No he is shitty at his job because we focus all our student recruiting efforts on the Delta and a bunch of students who fail out after the first semester.

Can you read? I said ONE OF MANY REASONS he's shitty at his job!

[Brobi-wan]

No he is shitty at his job because we focus all our student recruiting efforts on the Delta and a bunch of students who fail out after the first semester.

But..but we are the most diverse campus in the SEC

[StarkVegasSteve]

Did he really say this? Wow what a moron. I don't know how anyone takes that dude seriously. Letting my GP subscription expire was the easiest decision I've ever made.

I am just guessing that will be the spin. He is an asshat who needs to shave, shower, and cut his hair.

As for the other fanboys, one of them needs Ozempic and the other needs to stick to whatever crappy cover songs he attempts to play on guitar and high school sports.

[HoopsDawg]

Yall remember in the 8th inning when we had 2 guys on with no outs and Lemonis asked a guy who can?t bunt to bunt and we go on to score 0 runs in the inning? Good times

Brutal decision by Lemo. Should have either let him swing away or pinch hit with someone who can bunt.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Can you read? I said ONE OF MANY REASONS he's shitty at his job!

I was just adding to it. I thought you were too nice in your reasoning.

[EdwardDrayton]

This?? THIS game has you the most angry you've ever been, lol? Wtf?

I simply have more patience than your over the shoulder drink tossing self. :)

[KOdawg1]

I am just guessing that will be the spin. He is an asshat who needs to shave, shower, and cut his hair.

As for the other fanboys, one of them needs Ozempic and the other needs to stick to whatever crappy cover songs he attempts to play on guitar and high school sports.
I prefer the other 2 over Steve. But you do you lmao.

[Brobi-wan]

The dude has let Cheese follow him around for 14 years. If he cared about results, he would never hade made it to MSU with him.

[DawgFromOxford]

So what if he sweeps them in Starkville? Why do we put such a high value on beating OM? Half of y’all said LSU was our real rival in baseball 3 years ago.
Not sure who the half was but it wasn?t me. We could play OM in mini golf and I?d want to crush them. I hope they lose every game of every sport they play. I?m not in the camp that we should hire/fire a coach based on his W/L record against them but there?s no denying games against them carry a little more weight

[EdwardDrayton]

Yall remember in the 8th inning when we had 2 guys on with no outs and Lemonis asked a guy who can?t bunt to bunt and we go on to score 0 runs in the inning? Good times

Didn't like it. At all.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I prefer the other 2 over Steve. But you do you lmao.

I hate that we have given a voice to any of them. It is a sad state of affairs that our prominent media members are a guy who looks homeless and two middle aged men who geek out over professional wrestling. That is 17 sad.

[KOdawg1]

I hate all of them. It is a sad state of affairs that our prominent media members are a guy who looks homeless and two middle aged men who geek out over professional wrestling. That is 17 sad.
Cool.

[parabrave]

Can you clean this post up a bit? Was Lemon the problem "team wide"?

Sky it started with lemon and I'm not going to repeat the word he said about the players, This guy was a real player, but no heart on the team was the gist of it. And it was the entire roster. And just to add Hines we gave you all the accolades the past few weeks cause we thought you turned the corner and was heading to be the alpha male on the team. But you have turned to jello since the last series and to go hitless on a night like tonight should get you another ride on splinters to get you right,.

[BeardoMSU]

I was just adding to it. I thought you were too nice in your reasoning.

Ah. Sorry, then.

[EdwardDrayton]

I am just guessing that will be the spin. He is an asshat who needs to shave, shower, and cut his hair.

As for the other fanboys, one of them needs Ozempic and the other needs to stick to whatever crappy cover songs he attempts to play on guitar and high school sports.

LOL!!!

[ZedFedder]

You can see that our team is always waiting to lose rather than attacking to win. That is on Lemonis, 10000000 percent. It is TIME.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Ah. Sorry, then.

We are all just pissed off, miserable, and ready for this to end. No need for apologies. I think we are all in the same boat.

[BeardoMSU]

We are all just pissed off, miserable, and ready for this to end. No need for apologies. I think we are all in the same boat.

Word.

[EdwardDrayton]

Not sure who the half was but it wasn?t me. We could play OM in mini golf and I?d want to crush them. I hope they lose every game of every sport they play. I?m not in the camp that we should hire/fire a coach based on his W/L record against them but there?s no denying games against them carry a little more weight

Without ...... a ......... doubt.

[EdwardDrayton]

We are all just pissed off, miserable, and ready for this to end. No need for apologies. I think we are all in the same boat.

Gospel truth.

[DawgPounder]

Fine, I?ll be the one to say it. We?re a better program than those suckers even if they won this singular game tonight. I?m a lot more worried about beating more well renowned teams than OM.

[Todd4State]

Well that should settle it. Was talking to a former player tonite about Lemon and he said the problem with the team program wide.

The game management was gross. That's 110% on Lemonis. We should have won tonight like 10-2 with decent game manager.

I'm watching our pitchers throw their third inning with loss of command and getting rockets hit off of them and they do nothing.

On defense and base running- it just looks like we don't practice it enough. I'm lumping catcher into defense.

From talking to Lemonis I think he focuses too much on pressure instead of getting the players to relax and it carries over to the rest of the team. The game is tough enough without pointing out the 15k fans there and the pressure of winning.

[Todd4State]

I am just guessing that will be the spin. He is an asshat who needs to shave, shower, and cut his hair.

As for the other fanboys, one of them needs Ozempic and the other needs to stick to whatever crappy cover songs he attempts to play on guitar and high school sports.

I love it when you bash the media.

Whatever the hell we do it needs to be the exact opposite of whatever Faulk wants to do. That's for damn sure.

[Skydawg1]

Hot take: I think Lem has thrown in the towel. Hard to defend the moves he makes or doesn't make when things get tight. I think he also relies on Jeff "Dick" Head to make some hard decisions for him.

[Skydawg1]

Agree on all points my man.

[StarkVegasSteve]

That Breaking: Mississippi State is making a change at head baseball coach tweet is going to hit like Novocain.

[BeardoMSU]

I simply have more patience than your over the shoulder drink tossing self. :)

Don't be so sure...**


https://youtu.be/SUZyNLZZjMs?si=bsWLmkSqG1RVR82d

[EdwardDrayton]

Don't be so sure...**


https://youtu.be/SUZyNLZZjMs?si=bsWLmkSqG1RVR82d

LOL!! It's been awhile since I've watched that. Gotta' put it on the weekend viewing list!!

[CaptainObvious]

So Hines goes 0-5 with 4 K's in front of his friend and a family member, and damn Ross-Highfill made a couple of screw ups but played his damn ass off and came off looking like Pigpen from Peanuts with his shirt halfway out and dirt from head to toe. He busts his ass but he just isn't a good enough catcher or a smart enough base runner! When he ran all the way to 3rd and stood there and the guy didn't tag him and he tries to run all the way back to second, it reminded me of that meme with the little kid running almost within 2 feet of third and then running back to second safely. If only Highfill would have been safe back at second, he could have replace that little league meme with the college player version. It is so comical, I can't help but laugh instead of cry!

[Todd4State]

I am just guessing that will be the spin. He is an asshat who needs to shave, shower, and cut his hair.

As for the other fanboys, one of them needs Ozempic and the other needs to stick to whatever crappy cover songs he attempts to play on guitar and high school sports.

He's not saying anything right now. That's a very bad sign if you are Lemonis.

And you have people starting threads over there about Lemonis being replaced. If there is nothing to it he always interjects and asks people for sources. But this past week he isn't interjecting or saying anything.

There is a lot of smoke right now as you know.

[DownwardDawg]

He's not saying anything right now. That's a very bad sign if you are Lemonis.

And you have people starting threads over there about Lemonis being replaced. If there is nothing to it he always interjects and asks people for sources. But this past week he isn't interjecting or saying anything.

There is a lot of smoke right now as you know.

I'm ready for a raging California wildfire. 17 smoke.
Lol

[TALL DAWG]

Hunter has k’ed 9-10 times (including 4 last night) with 1 hit and 1 walk in last 4 games.
He’s frustrated with his lack of hitting from the emotion he showed in dugout last night.
I like Hines and I’m not hating on him but he needs to be in 8 or 9 hole for time being.
He had been doing a whole lot better over past 3 weeks (including going to opposite field occasionally) until last weekend. We need him to get right again.

[StarkVegasSteve]

He's not saying anything right now. That's a very bad sign if you are Lemonis.

And you have people starting threads over there about Lemonis being replaced. If there is nothing to it he always interjects and asks people for sources. But this past week he isn't interjecting or saying anything.

There is a lot of smoke right now as you know.

I do know. There has been smoke for about 3 weeks. That is why he has slowly started pulling back on his support of Lemonis. That is also why I know it is over and have changed my tune to go ahead and pull the plug. We have had the money for close to a month. It is not about raising money any longer.

[StateDawg44]

We have had the money for close to a month. It is not about raising money any longer.

Unfortunately, that is 2 (really 3) years too late.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Unfortunately, that is 2 (really 3) years too late.

Hey!!!! Someone who agrees with me that we should've fired him after 22!!

[tcdog70]

I personally cannot wait to see how Rosebowl spins this one.

April 22nd: I am always behind the Mississippi State HC and I truly believe Chris Lemonis can turn it around.

The minute we fire him: I always knew he was below average and it would come out when the Cohen/Cannizarro talent ran out.

dude--we have talent--but Shitty Coaches.

[StarkVegasSteve]

dude--we have talent--but Shitty Coaches.

Yep. We have top end talent but Rose Bowl will never admit that Cohen made a bad hire.

Moorhead- “He was a good hire, but he just lost control and so Cohen had to fire him.”

Cannizarro: “He was a great hire but Cohen had no choice but to fire him.”

McCray: “She was a great hire, but lost control and had health issues.”

Probably Lemonis: “He was a great hire, but the talent John recruited left and we were never able to replace that talent.”


It can never just be Cohen made a shitty hire. It always has to be it was a great hire but the wheels came off.

[BuckyIsAB****]

We have more talent in this lineup than the team that won it. I would argue this is the most talented team offensively we have had since 2019. But we do absolutely nothing else well, most other things we are laughably bad and it?s all things that could be fixed with coaching. Lemonis should have been fired after the 2nd car wreck season in 2023. He is a world class underachiever right now

[EdwardDrayton]

I'm ready for a raging California wildfire. 17 smoke.
Lol

And right 17ing NOW.

[Coach34]

Our pitching in SEC games only has an ERA of 6.06

[Santiago]

Some aggravated comments from me :
1. two years ago we had people on this board and other boards proclaiming "CEO coach", and how he just needs to fix the assistants . It was as if Lemonis had no responsibility. At least now the consensus is he is to be fired. I wanted him out 2 years ago and on the boards was called "the fire lemonis crowd". Jokes about how quickly we wanted him fired after the NC, etc.
2. Selmon - probably a great guy, and talented person. Glad he is with us and cleaning house. But this is more toward Keenum, on hiring as an SEC AD, a person with no AD experience. His other candidates , especially Benko, was running another program.
But here we are, and without a strong AD for a major sport to sort of block out all the influences.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Some aggravated comments from me :
1. two years ago we had people on this board and other boards proclaiming "CEO coach", and how he just needs to fix the assistants . It was as if Lemonis had no responsibility. At least now the consensus is he is to be fired. I wanted him out 2 years ago and on the boards was called "the fire lemonis crowd". Jokes about how quickly we wanted him fired after the NC, etc.
2. Selmon - probably a great guy, and talented person. Glad he is with us and cleaning house. But this is more toward Keenum, on hiring as an SEC AD, a person with no AD experience. His other candidates , especially Benko, was running another program.
But here we are, and without a strong AD for a major sport to sort of block out all the influences.

Do you know where Jared Benko is now? Auburn. You know why? Because he sucked as an AD. Selmon is miles better than the other candidates trying to get the job at the time. You are right about one thing though, it is on Keenum. He needs to stop meddling in athletics because he sucks at it. At least Boyce knows what he is doing at OM. He inputs where needed but lets Keith run the show.

Another thing, what has Selmon done to make some of you think he is not a strong AD? You wanted the script State? He gave it to you. You wanted LED lights? He gave it to you? You wanted him to pull the plug on Arnett? He gave it to you. The only thing he did not do was fire Lemonis in 23 after he had been on the job for less than 4 months. He was not going to make his first act as AD to be fire the only coach to ever win a national championship.

[Brobi-wan]

Do you know where Jared Benko is now? Auburn. You know why? Because he sucked as an AD. Selmon is miles better than the other candidates trying to get the job at the time. You are right about one thing though, it is on Keenum. He needs to stop meddling in athletics because he sucks at it. At least Boyce knows what he is doing at OM. He inputs where needed but lets Keith run the show.

Another thing, what has Selmon done to make some of you think he is not a strong AD? You wanted the script State? He gave it to you. You wanted LED lights? He gave it to you? You wanted him to pull the plug on Arnett? He gave it to you. The only thing he did not do was fire Lemonis in 23 after he had been on the job for less than 4 months. He was not going to make his first act as AD to be fire the only coach to ever win a national championship.

Selmon gets caught in the crossfire a lot for being the guy trying to put the fire out. I think we can all agree that Selmon didn’t start the fire. Some of the board isn’t confident he can put it out though. I actually like him. He’s younger, seems highly intelligent, and has a great personality for the media. What more could you ask?

State will improve when Keenum is gone. His youngest kids are sophomores I believe.

[bulldogcountry1]

Some aggravated comments from me :
1. two years ago we had people on this board and other boards proclaiming "CEO coach", and how he just needs to fix the assistants . It was as if Lemonis had no responsibility. At least now the consensus is he is to be fired. I wanted him out 2 years ago and on the boards was called "the fire lemonis crowd". Jokes about how quickly we wanted him fired after the NC, etc.


I think a lot of folks just wanted to avoid another HC change and hoped some new assistant would breathe some life back into the program. It's clear to see that Lemonis is just blah, and that blahness permeates into everything within the program, given enough time.

[Cooterpoot]

Yall can get off this "we've got talent" shit because we don't. Have you seen our pitching? We've got a couple guys and that's it. We don't have a catcher at all, got a Couple G level guys starting in that lineup too. We don't develop talent under this staff and haven't signed much. Portal guys are always better than what we've got in our lineup. This staff sucks! They'll fight you for a seat at Rick's but they don't do much else.

[Coach34]

There is nothing wrong with our AD. Doing a solid job.

Now it looks like he has to hire a new baseball coach. So we shall see how he does there this summer

[Coach34]

Some aggravated comments from me :
1. two years ago we had people on this board and other boards proclaiming "CEO coach", and how he just needs to fix the assistants . It was as if Lemonis had no responsibility. At least now the consensus is he is to be fired. I wanted him out 2 years ago and on the boards was called "the fire lemonis crowd". Jokes about how quickly we wanted him fired after the NC, etc..

My contention has always been whether he deserved the job or not. He deserved last season because he won our only Natty in school history and he responded. He has not responded this season. He's not getting the job done. Now it's time for him to go barring some crazy streak that is very unlikely to happen

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yall can get off this "we've got talent" shit because we don't. Have you seen our pitching? We've got a couple guys and that's it. We don't have a catcher at all, got a Couple G level guys starting in that lineup too. We don't develop talent under this staff and haven't signed much. Portal guys are always better than what we've got in our lineup. This staff sucks!

22: The problem was injuries

23: Our hitting was great but the problem was Foxhall

24: Our pitching was great but the problem was our hitters are not clutch

25: Our hitting is good but the problem is our pitchers suck.


There is one common denominator in all of those years. Chris Lemonis. We can go around and around about our talent, assistants, portal misses, etc. All that falls at the feet of Chris Lemonis and it is why he will be fired.

[bulldogcountry1]

22: The problem was injuries

23: Our hitting was great but the problem was Foxhall

24: Our pitching was great but the problem was our hitters are not clutch

25: Our hitting is good but the problem is our pitchers suck.


There is one common denominator in all of those years. Chris Lemonis. We can go around and around about our talent, assistants, portal misses, etc. All that falls at the feet of Chris Lemonis and it is why he will be fired.


Lemonis tries too hard to appease fans. Whatever we complain about the most, he focuses all his effort on that one thing in the offseason. Everything else is essentially ignored. That's why it's a different thing (or multiple different things) every year.

[Coach34]

22: The problem was injuries

23: Our hitting was great but the problem was Foxhall

24: Our pitching was great but the problem was our hitters are not clutch

25: Our hitting is good but the problem is our pitchers suck.


There is one common denominator in all of those years. Chris Lemonis. We can go around and around about our talent, assistants, portal misses, etc. All that falls at the feet of Chris Lemonis and it is why he will be fired.

This. I can forgive the injuries a year. but now we are looking at another sub par season barring a big run at the end. That would be 3 in 4 years. Gots to go

[sandjunky]

Yall can get off this "we've got talent" shit because we don't. Have you seen our pitching? We've got a couple guys and that's it. We don't have a catcher at all, got a Couple G level guys starting in that lineup too. We don't develop talent under this staff and haven't signed much. Portal guys are always better than what we've got in our lineup. This staff sucks! They'll fight you for a seat at Rick's but they don't do much else.

I must?ve missed it but what?s the story on fighting and Rick?s

[Santiago]

Do you know where Jared Benko is now? Auburn. You know why? Because he sucked as an AD. Selmon is miles better than the other candidates trying to get the job at the time. You are right about one thing though, it is on Keenum. He needs to stop meddling in athletics because he sucks at it. At least Boyce knows what he is doing at OM. He inputs where needed but lets Keith run the show.

Another thing, what has Selmon done to make some of you think he is not a strong AD? You wanted the script State? He gave it to you. You wanted LED lights? He gave it to you? You wanted him to pull the plug on Arnett? He gave it to you. The only thing he did not do was fire Lemonis in 23 after he had been on the job for less than 4 months. He was not going to make his first act as AD to be fire the only coach to ever win a national championship.

You may know more on that than me, but I follow Ga Southern due to friends there and as a second school to watch. The alumni I know there were thrilled with him and really liked him.
Benko was going to Auburn to add something under his belt and secure with a larger school, from what I heard.

My points were very clear. That nothing against Selmon, but as an SEC school, why did we hire someone with zero AD experience. I get we hired a guy with lots of upside, and high ceiling. But my comment was just about as an SEC school , questioning Keenum's decision making, plain and simple.

Edit: I agree , or we agree, that Keenum needs to stop meddling. He really should focus on the academics of MSU. I agree with another comment you made, that he is driving up the entries of students who will not make it after the first year. From what I have read, an ACT score below 24 is the indicator.

[CaptainObvious]

When y'all say the 2025 hitting is good, do you mean batting average wise overall? Does your stat line include situational hitting? Over 60 HRs and over half of them are solo. Is that "clutch" hitting? Struck out 15 times last night against midweek pitching

[parabrave]

Yall can get off this "we've got talent" shit because we don't. Have you seen our pitching? We've got a couple guys and that's it. We don't have a catcher at all, got a Couple G level guys starting in that lineup too. We don't develop talent under this staff and haven't signed much. Portal guys are always better than what we've got in our lineup. This staff sucks! They'll fight you for a seat at Rick's but they don't do much else.

This.

[99jc]

22: The problem was injuries

23: Our hitting was great but the problem was Foxhall

24: Our pitching was great but the problem was our hitters are not clutch

25: Our hitting is good but the problem is our pitchers suck.


There is one common denominator in all of those years. Chris Lemonis. We can go around and around about our talent, assistants, portal misses, etc. All that falls at the feet of Chris Lemonis and it is why he will be fired.

AND IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE LAST YEAR!

[Todd4State]

22: The problem was injuries

23: Our hitting was great but the problem was Foxhall

24: Our pitching was great but the problem was our hitters are not clutch

25: Our hitting is good but the problem is our pitchers suck.


There is one common denominator in all of those years. Chris Lemonis. We can go around and around about our talent, assistants, portal misses, etc. All that falls at the feet of Chris Lemonis and it is why he will be fired.

22- We aren't firing a coach one year removed from a NC. You know that. Especially after Cohen got to come back after 2015. I thought we should've fired Foxhall then but he was the National Assistant of the year the year before. So not surprised we didn't fire him then.

23- firing him this year would have looked almost as bad as 2022 through the lens of a baseball coach. If we had fired him at this time we're probably talking about how we should have given Chris more time and how could we hire a risk like Will Coggin? If you are a head coaching candidate and you saw our team ERA that year you would wonder why they didn't just replace the pitching coach.

24- looked to be turning it around even if we underachieved. No reason to fire anyone.

25- you can't miss the postseason 3 out of 4 years at MSU and head coaching candidates understand that too. Now we're in a position to hire the best candidate possible and didn't get to watch baseball's version of Rick Ray happen.

[Todd4State]

Lemonis tries too hard to appease fans. Whatever we complain about the most, he focuses all his effort on that one thing in the offseason. Everything else is essentially ignored. That's why it's a different thing (or multiple different things) every year.

You nailed it. The problem is he over corrects what the issue the year before was but then neglects what wasn't a problem and you can't do that. So then new problems that were old problems come back.

[StarkVegasSteve]

22- We aren't firing a coach one year removed from a NC. You know that. Especially after Cohen got to come back after 2015. I thought we should've fired Foxhall then but he was the National Assistant of the year the year before. So not surprised we didn't fire him then.

23- firing him this year would have looked almost as bad as 2022 through the lens of a baseball coach. If we had fired him at this time we're probably talking about how we should have given Chris more time and how could we hire a risk like Will Coggin? If you are a head coaching candidate and you saw our team ERA that year you would wonder why they didn't just replace the pitching coach.

24- looked to be turning it around even if we underachieved. No reason to fire anyone.

25- you can't miss the postseason 3 out of 4 years at MSU and head coaching candidates understand that too. Now we're in a position to hire the best candidate possible and didn't get to watch baseball's version of Rick Ray happen.

Todd you're probably talking to the wrong person. I was one of the few who wanted him fired after 22 because you could see this coming down the tracks. Heck you could see it in 21, but it was swept under the rug. This is why I'd be a terrible AD because everyone would be on one year contracts.

[Todd4State]

Some aggravated comments from me :
1. two years ago we had people on this board and other boards proclaiming "CEO coach", and how he just needs to fix the assistants . It was as if Lemonis had no responsibility. At least now the consensus is he is to be fired. I wanted him out 2 years ago and on the boards was called "the fire lemonis crowd". Jokes about how quickly we wanted him fired after the NC, etc.
2. Selmon - probably a great guy, and talented person. Glad he is with us and cleaning house. But this is more toward Keenum, on hiring as an SEC AD, a person with no AD experience. His other candidates , especially Benko, was running another program.
But here we are, and without a strong AD for a major sport to sort of block out all the influences.

Being a CEO coach isn't absolving responsibility from Lemonis at all. In fact it puts more on him because as CEO he is responsible for bringing in elite assistants. He sinks or swims based on their performance.

[Todd4State]

Todd you're probably talking to the wrong person. I was one of the few who wanted him fired after 22 because you could see this coming down the tracks. Heck you could see it in 21, but it was swept under the rug. This is why I'd be a terrible AD because everyone would be on one year contracts.

I see things through the lens of a baseball person who grew up around that industry. Baseball coaches are different. They just are. We wouldn't play Delta State for years because Paul Gregory and Boo Ferris were friends and they didn't want to have to beat each other. You have guys like Dan Heefner who is an elite coach but has strict religious standards that he doesn't bend for. You have guys that stay for years at places they have no chance to win a title at because they're happy there.

If we had handled Lemonis the wrong way we could easily set ourselves back 5-10 years. And we don't have a coaching candidate like a Cohen out there like we did in 2009 where we could tell Polk 17 no we don't want Raffo to bail us out.

The way we handled it gives us the best chance to get back to what we expect to be.

[Pancho]

nothing i see from selmon or especially keenum screams we will hire an aggressive personality as a baseball HC. am I wrong?

[Coach34]

If you look at this year's team:

The LF'er is a 3rd baseman
The CF'er throws like a girl and struggles vs SEC pitching
Both RF'ers are 1st Basemen recruited because we thought our 1st baseman was going to be gone
Our 3rd baseman played LF last year
Our SS couldnt play 2nd base. Our now back-up SS was supposed to be the SS who was really good defensively.
Our 2nd baseman was signed to be a back-up for depth
Our 1st baseman had a terrible Jr year and is pissed he had to return for his Sr year.
Our veteran catcher is just happy to be out there. Our other catcher is an idiot who really shouldnt be playing catcher.

Our Friday guy is really a Saturday guy but is overachieving
Our Saturday guy has been nothing but long relief his career
Our Sunday guy has the best stuff on the staff and will be damn good 3 years from now

Our top 2 RP's havent pitched in college since 2022 until this season.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I see things through the lens of a baseball person who grew up around that industry. Baseball coaches are different. They just are. We wouldn't play Delta State for years because Paul Gregory and Boo Ferris were friends and they didn't want to have to beat each other. You have guys like Dan Heefner who is an elite coach but has strict religious standards that he doesn't bend for. You have guys that stay for years at places they have no chance to win a title at because they're happy there.

If we had handled Lemonis the wrong way we could easily set ourselves back 5-10 years. And we don't have a coaching candidate like a Cohen out there like we did in 2009 where we could tell Polk 17 no we don't want Raffo to bail us out.

The way we handled it gives us the best chance to get back to what we expect to be.

Thank you for apparently being the only person that understands why Dan Heefner is not leaving DBU and why we could never hire him nor does any elite school that wants him ever hire him.

[Todd4State]

nothing i see from selmon or especially keenum screams we will hire an aggressive personality as a baseball HC. am I wrong?

I don't think they're going to be doing the hiring other than taking credit for it.

[Coach34]

I don't think they're going to be doing the hiring other than taking credit for it.

Correct. Just like Loafers never hired Howland nor Mullen at Fla. He did what he was told to do

[HoopsDawg]

If you look at this year's team:

The LF'er is a 3rd baseman
The CF'er throws like a girl and struggles vs SEC pitching
Both RF'ers are 1st Basemen recruited because we thought our 1st baseman was going to be gone
Our 3rd baseman played LF last year
Our SS couldnt play 2nd base. Our now back-up SS was supposed to be the SS who was really good defensively.
Our 2nd baseman was signed to be a back-up for depth
Our 1st baseman had a terrible Jr year and is pissed he had to return for his Sr year.
Our veteran catcher is just happy to be out there. Our other catcher is an idiot who really shouldnt be playing catcher.

Our Friday guy is really a Saturday guy but is overachieving
Our Saturday guy has been nothing but long relief his career
Our Sunday guy has the best stuff on the staff and will be damn good 3 years from now

Our top 2 RP's havent pitched in college since 2022 until this season.

Boy, you've done quite the 180

[maroonmania]

You can see that our team is always waiting to lose rather than attacking to win. That is on Lemonis, 10000000 percent. It is TIME.

Exactly, going to the bottom of the 9th last night with the 2 run lead having wasted so many opportunities to expand the lead, did anyone have any real confidence we would hold on? I sure didnt.

[Coach34]

Boy, you've done quite the 180

I really havent. I've never thought he was a good coach. But he has a title and that's hard to do. I'm 0-6 as a player/coach in state championship games. My stance has always been does he "deserve" the job? And I believed yes and still believe he deserved this season. But this season has turned into a turd and barring a major turnaround in this last month- I dont believe he deserves to keep this job anymore. 3 bad seasons in the last 4 and it's time for a change. This team should not be 6-12 in the SEC even with its flaws. This staff has underachieved to this point

[Tbonewannabe]

Other than Polk burning the program down because we didn't hire Raffo and it took Cohen two years to right the ship, we have never been consistently bad in my lifetime except under Lemonis.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Other than Polk burning the program down because we didn't hire Raffo and it took Cohen two years to right the ship, we have never been consistently bad in my lifetime except under Lemonis.

More programs care about baseball now as well. Only like 7 programs in the SEC cared consistently until about 2019.

[Todd4State]

More programs care about baseball now as well. Only like 7 programs in the SEC cared consistently until about 2019.

We still care more. I would say MSU and Arkansas care the most. LSU is like the minor league team in Baton Rouge.

I've seen all of the teams in the league go through peaks and valleys.

[Coach34]

More programs care about baseball now as well. Only like 7 programs in the SEC cared consistently until about 2019.

at Polk's end:

Corbin was just getting going good at Candy
Sully had just arrived at Fla- they havent missed a Regional since he got there
Cohen/Henderson/Clown has made Kentucky a solid program
Bianco had made Mississippi a good program
SC was about to go on a tremendous run
VH had just started elevating UPig

Now Tenn is a power program
Georgia has always had the potential to be a top program but remains inconsistent
Auburn is now solid

Different SEC now- then add in NIL and portal

[HoopsDawg]

I really havent. I've never thought he was a good coach. But he has a title and that's hard to do. I'm 0-6 as a player/coach in state championship games. My stance has always been does he "deserve" the job? And I believed yes and still believe he deserved this season. But this season has turned into a turd and barring a major turnaround in this last month- I dont believe he deserves to keep this job anymore. 3 bad seasons in the last 4 and it's time for a change. This team should not be 6-12 in the SEC even with its flaws. This staff has underachieved to this point

I was speaking more to the talent you said we had preseason

[Coach34]

I was speaking more to the talent you said we had preseason

Gotcha. I still think we are talented enough to be 9-9 right now in the SEC and if we were- we'd be in such a better place right now heading down the stretch.

A) We took too long settling on a consistent line-up. I still cant understand why Stevens doesnt hit most days yet we play Trout every damn day. We had the Fall to work alot of this shit out- yet its been like we just got these guys together Feb 1st and had to figure it out.

B) Indiana St has been a letdown. Loftin cant get well. Black has been hurt or whatever and thrown 1 damn inning for us. Foster has been hurting. Grant got himself tossed off the team. The pitching staff hasnt come together the way we had hoped and that 6.06 SEC ERA is glaring

[sandjunky]

Thank you for apparently being the only person that understands why Dan Heefner is not leaving DBU and why we could never hire him nor does any elite school that wants him ever hire him.

That and he still has Zach (?25) and Titus (?27)that will play for him
He already has David and Luke playing for him

[Turfdawg67]

I love it when you bash the media.

Lol, you and the "media". You've beat that poor dead horse to death.

[Todd4State]

Lol, you and the "media". You've beat that poor dead horse to death.

I don't take kindly to people that hurt Mississippi State and then make jokes about it when their ideas don't work out.

[KOdawg1]

Good grief, here we go again.

[Brobi-wan]

Lmao

[StarkVegasSteve]

Lol, you and the "media". You've beat that poor dead horse to death.

I mean do any other SEC schools have media members that represent them as poorly as we do? Every school has their Robertson that is just a straight homer. However, other school’s version of that showers regularly and does not strive to be the lead guitarist of Korn. Then there is pizza boy and the high school sports reporter who thinks he is holier than thou because his dad is a preacher. I mean listen to that podcast and then listen to ANY OTHER SEC podcast that is geared towards a fan base. Whether that be MPW with McCready, TexAgs with Liucci, Bengal Tiger with Shea Dixon, Ikard with OU, etc. They talk somewhat positively, but are realistic. Faulk bashes anyone and everyone because he was a loser in HS and now has a niche podcast that gets him noticed at Two Brothers. He also takes everything personally. He did not like Leach because his press conferences were not on time. He does not like Lemonis because he was mean to him. He takes everything personally instead of acting like a damn journalist. Then again, he is not one so why would he act like one.

Would any of those other fan podcasts be openly admitting to watching Wrestlemania instead of watching the game they were attending for free, of which they also get fed? It is just utterly ridiculous. I actually like Brian a little bit because he realizes he is lucky to have the job he has and he tries to be diplomatic about things. I guess I just wish we had serious media members, but maybe that is asking too much.

[bulldogcountry1]

Would any of those other fan podcasts be openly admitting to watching Wrestlemania instead of watching the game they were attending for free, of which they also get fed? It is just utterly ridiculous. I actually like Brian a little bit because he realizes he is lucky to have the job he has and he tries to be diplomatic about things. I guess I just wish we had serious media members, but maybe that is asking too much.

I will say that I don't envy anyone who has had to routinely talk or write about MSU athletics in the last 3 years on a professional level.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I will say that I don't envy anyone who has had to routinely talk or write about MSU athletics in the last 3 years on a professional level.

I do not either. It is not easy, not that it was a walk in the park at any other time. But it is the fact that for the longest time we blasted OM for having the most biased fan boy media when it fact it is us. And hell, at least their fan boy media was positive. I think ours actively roots against Mississippi State so they can go watch WWE or go float.

[KOdawg1]

Y'all sound like damn teenage girls. Goodness

[StarkVegasSteve]

Y'all sound like damn teenage girls. Goodness

Ok Robbie settle down. It is a message board. We are giving our opinion. Lord knows you do it enough.

[KOdawg1]

Ok Robbie settle down. It is a message board. We are giving our opinion. Lord knows you do it enough.

Lol I'm sorry these men have hurt you this much.

Not Robbie btw but I'm sure you'll provide a 5 paragraph essay as to why you think I am.

[Pancho]

The guys referenced don't provide much in the way of front page or breaking information and I'm not sure some of us don't get certain information before they do. I do think they are a silly lot for the most part. Maybe the baseball money guys and Selmon find us a real baseball HC soon and all this stress you feel will decrease.

[Todd4State]

Lol I'm sorry these men have hurt you this much.

Not Robbie btw but I'm sure you'll provide a 5 paragraph essay as to why you think I am.

So tell me what he has done that is positive other than harass the groundskeeper into getting the end zones painted and promoting a Hardy concert?

He hasn't hurt me. He has hurt MSU.

[Todd4State]

The guys referenced don't provide much in the way of front page or breaking information and I'm not sure some of us don't get certain information before they do. I do think they are a silly lot for the most part. Maybe the baseball money guys and Selmon find us a real baseball HC soon and all this stress you feel will decrease.

If it is the guys looking for a baseball coach that were rumored on here- I am very optimistic.

[KOdawg1]

So tell me what he has done that is positive other than harass the groundskeeper into getting the end zones painted and promoting a Hardy concert?

He hasn't hurt me. He has hurt MSU.
He hasn't hurt MSU at all. He's pissed some people at MSU off. I'll admit that. But y'all vastly overestimate the power these writers and podcasters have.

You can probably find something positive he's done. For someone yall hate so much, you sure do seem to know a lot of what he has to say.

[Coursesuper]

I do not either. It is not easy, not that it was a walk in the park at any other time. But it is the fact that for the longest time we blasted OM for having the most biased fan boy media when it fact it is us. And hell, at least their fan boy media was positive. I think ours actively roots against Mississippi State so they can go watch WWE or go float.

Bad news and outrage is the business model, it gets clicks which sells adds.

[Pancho]

I am with you on that Todd, 100%. Several names have been mentioned and each will be an upgrade over Lemons

[StarkVegasSteve]

He hasn't hurt MSU at all. He's pissed some people at MSU off. I'll admit that. But y'all vastly overestimate the power these writers and podcasters have.

You can probably find something positive he's done. For someone yall hate so much, you sure do seem to know a lot of what he has to say.

How can you not? He posts it on every message board he is on and tweets about it incessantly. You do not have to listen to their podcast to know exactly what they talk about. I do enjoy turning on their podcast when we win to listen to the mental gymnastics they do to still say they were right and be negative.

And like you said, he has pissed some people, it is actually a lot of people, off at MSU. Hell 2 of the 3 big 3 coaches hate him and think he is a pompous untalented prick. Source on that one is Christopher Paul Jans. Lemonis called him a 17 idiot. Source on that is Kyle Cheeseborough and Jake Gautreau.

He probably is a nice guy and seems like a family man. I probably would not hate Robbie Faulk the person. I do think Robbie Faulk the character he tries to play is a tired lame ass shtick.

[KOdawg1]

How can you not? He posts it on every message board he is on and tweets about it incessantly. You do not have to listen to their podcast to know exactly what they talk about. I do enjoy turning on their podcast when we win to listen to the mental gymnastics they do to still say they were right and be negative.

And like you said, he has pissed some people, it is actually a lot of people, off at MSU. Hell 2 of the 3 big 3 coaches hate him and think he is a pompous untalented prick. Source on that one is Christopher Paul Jans. Lemonis called him a 17 idiot. Source on that is Kyle Cheeseborough and Jake Gautreau.

He probably is a nice guy and seems like a family man. I probably would not hate Robbie Faulk the person. I do think Robbie Faulk the character he tries to play is a tired lame ass shtick.

Idk if you've been paying attention, but not a lot positive has happened for Mississippi State Athletics for the last 4 years or so. Of course there's negativity. We absolutely suck in 2 of the big 3 sports.

Lemonis hating him actually makes me like him more. I want the opposite of whatever Lemonis thinks. He hates him because unlike Steve who is too busy trying to be Lemon's bff, Faulk and Hadad actually say what's happening is unacceptable.

Does he have flaws? Sure. He's got a short temper and can't take criticism. But give me him over the sunshine cult every day of the week. I just think it's weird to obsessively hate the guy like an ex gf but yall do yall

[StarkVegasSteve]

Idk if you've been paying attention, but not a lot positive has happened for Mississippi State Athletics for the last 4 years or so. Of course there's negativity. We absolutely suck in 2 of the big 3 sports.

Lemonis hating him actually makes me like him more. I want the opposite of whatever Lemonis thinks. He hates him because unlike Steve who is too busy trying to be Lemon's bff, Faulk and Hadad actually say what's happening is unacceptable.

Does he have flaws? Sure. He's got a short temper and can't take criticism. But give me him over the sunshine cult every day of the week. I just think it's weird to obsessively hate the guy like an ex gf but yall do yall

Short temper and cannot take criticism is not good qualities to have in journalism. The reason I do not like him is that he thinks he speaks for the fanbase. But if you attack him then he is just a poor preachers kid and a high school sports reporter trying to provide for his family. He wants to be a journalist but does not want to be treated like one. That is my issue. That is why I am on the coaches side on that issue. He criticizes them so they have the right to tell him he is a 17 idiot. But he is a preachers kid so he cannot be attacked. He has made me like Brian more though because Brian understands he is not a journalist and does not remotely try to be. He is just thankful he is not slinging pizzas at Papa John’s anymore.

[KOdawg1]

Short temper and cannot take criticism is not good qualities to have in journalism. The reason I do not like him is that he thinks he speaks for the fanbase. But if you attack him then he is just a poor preachers kid and a high school sports reporter trying to provide for his family. He wants to be a journalist but does not want to be treated like one. That is my issue. That is why I am on the coaches side on that issue. He criticizes them so they have the right to tell him he is a 17 idiot. But he is a preachers kid so he cannot be attacked. He has made me like Brian more though because Brian understands he is not a journalist and does not remotely try to be. He is just thankful he is not slinging pizzas at Papa John’s anymore.
I don't think he thinks he speaks for the fanbase. The whole "preachers kid" argument you're making is weird. I've never seen him say "I'm just a preachers kid" when he's arguing with someone.

Like I said, he's got flaws. But he's not the anti-Christ lmao

[StarkVegasSteve]

I don't think he thinks he speaks for the fanbase. The whole "preachers kid" argument you're making is weird. I've never seen him say "I'm just a preachers kid" when he's arguing with someone.

Like I said, he's got flaws. But he's not the anti-Christ lmao

I have watched him make that argument when he was attacked. If he would just come out and say that he is just a fan and is pretending to be a journalist I would not care. He wants to be a journalist when he is saying all this stuff thinking he is speaking for the fanbase, which he does think btw I have it on good authority, but when he is attacked or someone criticizes him he wants to be just a regular average Joe fan. I will say that he has made me like Brian a lot more. Brian understands he is not a journalist and does not try to be one. He is just thankful that he is not slinging pizzas at Papa John’s.

Again, I think Robbie Faulk the person is probably a good dude. It is Robbie Faulk the character that I have issues with.

[KOdawg1]

I have watched him make that argument when he was attacked. If he would just come out and say that he is just a fan and is pretending to be a journalist I would not care. He wants to be a journalist when he is saying all this stuff thinking he is speaking for the fanbase, which he does think btw I have it on good authority, but when he is attacked or someone criticizes him he wants to be just a regular average Joe fan. I will say that he has made me like Brian a lot more. Brian understands he is not a journalist and does not try to be one. He is just thankful that he is not slinging pizzas at Papa John’s.

Again, I think Robbie Faulk the person is probably a good dude. It is Robbie Faulk the character that I have issues with.

I don't see him pretending not to be a fan and trying to be an unbiased journalist at all. He grew up here and went to school here. Of course he's going to be a fan.

These are silly things to have issues with but you do you man.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I don't see him pretending not to be a fan and trying to be an unbiased journalist at all. He grew up here and went to school here. Of course he's going to be a fan.

These are silly things to have issues with but you do you man.

I just have an issue with fan boys pretending to be media. And marketing themselves as media.

[Pancho]

I spoke to all of these guys a few weeks ago and nothing about them and nothing about them screams journalist.

[KOdawg1]

I just have an issue with fan boys pretending to be media. And marketing themselves as media.
Like I said, you do you.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I spoke to all of these guys a few weeks ago and nothing about them and nothing about them screams journalist.

That is because they are not. But only one of them admits it. That is why I think David Johnson and Yancy Porter are massive losers too. They are not journalists. They are fanboys, but try to act like journalists.

[Pancho]

word

[Activated Alpha]

I have talked to a much trusted source and on good authority, (my bucket in the garage), that State will sweep Auburn, UK, OM, and Mizzou to secure a last minute host spot. Lemonis will save his job and the dugout bucket for another season.

[Todd4State]

Idk if you've been paying attention, but not a lot positive has happened for Mississippi State Athletics for the last 4 years or so. Of course there's negativity. We absolutely suck in 2 of the big 3 sports.

Lemonis hating him actually makes me like him more. I want the opposite of whatever Lemonis thinks. He hates him because unlike Steve who is too busy trying to be Lemon's bff, Faulk and Hadad actually say what's happening is unacceptable.

Does he have flaws? Sure. He's got a short temper and can't take criticism. But give me him over the sunshine cult every day of the week. I just think it's weird to obsessively hate the guy like an ex gf but yall do yall

You can't go on a podcast and tell people two years a year ago that a guy is going to be fired and then when it doesn't happen expect to be taken seriously.

And if you do put that out there- you better be right when you put it out.

What happens if Lebby decides that Bumphis sucks as a WR coach and fires or demoted him? Then all of a sudden Robbie will turn on Lebby and how is that good for MSU in any way shape or form?

[KOdawg1]

What happens if Lebby decides that Bumphis sucks as a WR coach and fires or demoted him? Then all of a sudden Robbie will turn on Lebby and how is that good for MSU in any way shape or form?
Another weak argument with hypotheticals that's based on zero proof or indication that'll happen.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Another weak argument with hypotheticals that's based on zero proof or indication that'll happen.

I mean they did turn on Leach when Leach "wouldn't hire" Bumphis. Which turned out to be false because it came out that Leach offered him RB coach but he turned it down. However, Brian has softened his stance on that in the last year. He even was critical of Bumphis in the first portal window. Again, realizes he's very fortunate to have the gig he now has and has stopped being so divisive.

[maroonmania]

You can't go on a podcast and tell people two years a year ago that a guy is going to be fired and then when it doesn't happen expect to be taken seriously.

And if you do put that out there- you better be right when you put it out.

What happens if Lebby decides that Bumphis sucks as a WR coach and fires or demoted him? Then all of a sudden Robbie will turn on Lebby and how is that good for MSU in any way shape or form?

Well, truth be told, he probably should have been fired 2 years ago after missing the SEC tourney two years in a row but I understand why he wasn't. If you are going to do a sports podcast though you are going to have to give opinions whether they are agreed with or not. I'm just glad we have some MSU podcasts available because I would rather hear discussion about what's going on with State athletics than.99% of everything else going on in the sports world. If we don't start improving in some of our sports though the apathy may get to the point where nobody is interested in hearing about MSU sports anymore. Then nobody will have to worry about anything our media guys say.

[KOdawg1]

I mean they did turn on Leach when Leach "wouldn't hire" Bumphis. Which turned out to be false because it came out that Leach offered him RB coach but he turned it down. However, Brian has softened his stance on that in the last year. He even was critical of Bumphis in the first portal window. Again, realizes he's very fortunate to have the gig he now has and has stopped being so divisive.
Offering a WR coach with zero experience coaching RBs to be your RB coach was dumb.

They give their opinions and sometimes they're opinions people don't like. Give me that over not giving opinions at all.

[Todd4State]

Another weak argument with hypotheticals that's based on zero proof or indication that'll happen.

That's what happened with Leach when he offered Bumphis the running back job that Chad turned down.

So yeah- I'd say I have proof that there is a good chance that would happen if Lebby fired Bumphis.

[KOdawg1]

Well, truth be told, he probably should have been fired 2 years ago after missing the SEC tourney two years in a row but I understand why he wasn't. If you are going to do a sports podcast though you are going to have to give opinions whether they are agreed with or not. I'm just glad we have some MSU podcasts available because I would rather hear discussion about what's going on with State athletics than.99% of everything else going on in the sports world. If we don't start improving in some of our sports though the apathy may get to the point where nobody is interested in hearing about MSU sports anymore. Then nobody will have to worry about anything our media guys say.
Correct on all counts

[KOdawg1]

That's what happened with Leach when he offered Bumphis the running back job that Chad turned down.

So yeah- I'd say I have proof that there is a good chance that would happen if Lebby fired Bumphis.
Nah you're operating in a world of "maybe's" and "possibilities" because you just don't like them from their time at Gene's Page. It's okay, you don't have to like them. Feel free to keep throwing shots every chance you get. I just think it's silly.

[Todd4State]

Well, truth be told, he probably should have been fired 2 years ago after missing the SEC tourney two years in a row but I understand why he wasn't. If you are going to do a sports podcast though you are going to have to give opinions whether they are agreed with or not. I'm just glad we have some MSU podcasts available because I would rather hear discussion about what's going on with State athletics than.99% of everything else going on in the sports world. If we don't start improving in some of our sports though the apathy may get to the point where nobody is interested in hearing about MSU sports anymore. Then nobody will have to worry about anything our media guys say.

But if you are media you can just throw out there that someone is going to be fired without damn good sources and if you do throw it out there you better be right.

In the meantime Rosebowl was saying that Lemonis wasn't going to be fired. And you had people here saying that Lemonis wasn't going to be fired. So who had better sources?

He wasn't offering opinion. He was stating it as fact. And was wrong.

[Pancho]

he has egg on the face due to being wrong

[Todd4State]

Nah you're operating in a world of "maybe's" and "possibilities" because you just don't like them from their time at Gene's Page. It's okay, you don't have to like them. Feel free to keep throwing shots every chance you get. I just think it's silly.

So you think StarkVegasSteve and me are both making up the same story?

The only "maybe" here is that Robbie learns a lesson. But that's a much bigger "maybe" than the "maybe" you just accused me of.

You are free to like Robbie. I mean people like wresting and it's fake BS too. At least most of the people that like wrestling realize it's fake though. You should apply the same when listening to Robbie.

[Pancho]

good point

[StarkVegasSteve]

But if you are media you can just throw out there that someone is going to be fired without damn good sources and if you do throw it out there you better be right.

In the meantime Rosebowl was saying that Lemonis wasn't going to be fired. And you had people here saying that Lemonis wasn't going to be fired. So who had better sources?

He wasn't offering opinion. He was stating it as fact. And was wrong.

He was offering his opinion as fact. Inexperienced journalists do this. And when you're a journalist who has a podcast people are going to take your word as fact. Because they believe you are well sourced on it. Faulk is just not well sourced, which goes back to his strained relationship with the athletic dept. Lemonis hates him. Jans doesn't like him. Lebby doesn't think very highly of him and Selmon doesn't think very highly of him. And it goes back to the fan part of things. He's a fan before a journalist. And this is something that Hadad and Robertson have, to their credit, figured out. You either have to be like Robertson and sunshine pump and toe the company line or you have to be like Hadad and present the opposite point of view enough to seem unbiased. That is how you stay in the good graces of the university. This is why they don't let fans in press conferences because fans are emotionally invested in the outcomes.

[KOdawg1]

So you think StarkVegasSteve and me are both making up the same story?

The only "maybe" here is that Robbie learns a lesson. But that's a much bigger "maybe" than the "maybe" you just accused me of.

You are free to like Robbie. I mean people like wresting and it's fake BS too. At least most of the people that like wrestling realize it's fake though. You should apply the same when listening to Robbie.

I don't think the story is BS.

I think you definitively saying they would turn on Lebby for firing Bump is BS. Because it is. You don't know that.

Thanks for your permission. It means a lot to me.

[Pancho]

I don't think the story is BS.

I think you definitively saying they would turn on Lebby for firing Bump is BS. Because it is. You don't know that.

Thanks for your permission. It means a lot to me.

dam, talk about panties in a wad. you aite?

[Todd4State]

I don't think the story is BS.

I think you definitively saying they would turn on Lebby for firing Bump is BS. Because it is. You don't know that.

Thanks for your permission. It means a lot to me.

History is a pretty good indicator most of the time.

[Todd4State]

He was offering his opinion as fact. Inexperienced journalists do this. And when you're a journalist who has a podcast people are going to take your word as fact. Because they believe you are well sourced on it. Faulk is just not well sourced, which goes back to his strained relationship with the athletic dept. Lemonis hates him. Jans doesn't like him. Lebby doesn't think very highly of him and Selmon doesn't think very highly of him. And it goes back to the fan part of things. He's a fan before a journalist. And this is something that Hadad and Robertson have, to their credit, figured out. You either have to be like Robertson and sunshine pump and toe the company line or you have to be like Hadad and present the opposite point of view enough to seem unbiased. That is how you stay in the good graces of the university. This is why they don't let fans in press conferences because fans are emotionally invested in the outcomes.

Rosebowl at least goes to practices and games moreso than Robbie too. Like him or not Rosebowl works harder than Robbie.

You are spot on about everything.

[KOdawg1]

History is a pretty good indicator most of the time.
Lebby has fired Bump before? Damn I must've missed that.

[Todd4State]

Lebby has fired Bump before? Damn I must've missed that.

You know what I'm talking about.

[KOdawg1]

dam, talk about panties in a wad. you aite?
I'm pretty good. Just debunking BS and stupidity one post at a time.

[KOdawg1]

You know what I'm talking about.
I know what you're trying to imply, but that doesn't make it any more true or accurate.

[Pancho]

dayum

[Todd4State]

I know what you're trying to imply, but that doesn't make it any more true or accurate.

Ok. So maybe Robbie will change how he does things. Based on what I've seen it doesn't look that way. So yeah- I think I can safely assume that he would try to tear Lebby down if he fired Bumphis. That would be true if Lebby had any more of his contacts on the staff but as far as I know Bumphis is the only one left really and even then that has faded a lot.

[KOdawg1]

Ok. So maybe Robbie will change how he does things. Based on what I've seen it doesn't look that way. So yeah- I think I can safely assume that he would try to tear Lebby down if he fired Bumphis. That would be true if Lebby had any more of his contacts on the staff but as far as I know Bumphis is the only one left really and even then that has faded a lot.
Neh.

[maroonmania]

But if you are media you can just throw out there that someone is going to be fired without damn good sources and if you do throw it out there you better be right.

In the meantime Rosebowl was saying that Lemonis wasn't going to be fired. And you had people here saying that Lemonis wasn't going to be fired. So who had better sources?

He wasn't offering opinion. He was stating it as fact. And was wrong.

Well if he said Lemonis would definitely be fired then he should be called out. I listen to Hadad and Faulk regularly and I don't remember him saying that exactly but if he did that was stupid. Did he say it there are on his website? I would expect a podcast guy to say someone deserves to be fired when they do but saying they KNOW someone will be fired is uncalled.for and really dumb when it doesn't even come to pass.

[Todd4State]

Well if he said Lemonis would definitely be fired then he should be called out. I listen to Hadad and Faulk regularly and I don't remember him saying that exactly but if he did that was stupid. Did he say it there are on his website? I would expect a podcast guy to say someone deserves to be fired when they do but saying they KNOW someone will be fired is uncalled.for and really dumb when it doesn't even come to pass.

If I remember correctly it was after we lost to Austin Peay last year. It was basically like "we all know what is going to happen"- which pretty much insinuated that Lemonis was going to be fired.

Unless he was referring to 18 SEC wins but I kind of doubt it.

[StarkVegasSteve]

If I remember correctly it was after we lost to Austin Peay last year. It was basically like "we all know what is going to happen"- which pretty much insinuated that Lemonis was going to be fired.

Unless he was referring to 18 SEC wins but I kind of doubt it.

Again, we were all thinking that last year after Austin Peay, we FANS were thinking that. Hell I think I started up a hot board the next day. But that's the difference. Either you're a fan or you're a journalist. FANS should not be allowed at press conferences, press row, given credentials, etc. Journalists should be afforded all those things. He's not a journalist. He's a FAN. And that's ok. But just admit that you are a fan over a journalist. Admit that there is no possible way for you to be unbiased. His takes are no different than any of us. Some might be extremely popular and a consensus line of thinking. And some, people are going to look at you like, "Why the 17 are you drinking tequila at 2 PM on a Wednesday?".

[Bdawg]

Again, we were all thinking that last year after Austin Peay, we FANS were thinking that. Hell I think I started up a hot board the next day. But that's the difference. Either you're a fan or you're a journalist. FANS should not be allowed at press conferences, press row, given credentials, etc. Journalists should be afforded all those things. He's not a journalist. He's a FAN. And that's ok. But just admit that you are a fan over a journalist. Admit that there is no possible way for you to be unbiased. His takes are no different than any of us. Some might be extremely popular and a consensus line of thinking. And some, people are going to look at you like, "Why the 17 are you drinking tequila at 2 PM on a Wednesday?".

Are Yancy and Johnson journalists or fans? Are they biased? Are they credentialed?