R64 Game Thread-Let's Get One Edition

[maroonmania]

Biggest issue of that was we let the clock run way down too far before fouling when we were behind. Didn't leave us much time to get a shot set up on offense. Being a State fan has just continued to suck lately.

[R2Dawg]

so tired of the bs of our basketball team not living up to their potential. Been a decade of it not going back to Howland

And Stans says miss me yet?

[StarkVegasSteve]

And Rick Stansbury is STILL the best State Coach since Babe McCarthy! Is he available to return. Because he can out-recruit Jans by a mile and knew he needed a great bench X's and O's coach!

Rick was only good because we paid BIG. When everyone started paying big then he became average. Now everyone can LEGALLY pay. There's a reason he's now out of the game.

[StarkVegasSteve]

And Stans says miss me yet?

We don't. And never will. I will never forgive him for screwing up the 2011-2012 season. He lost that team more than Jans could ever dream of losing a team.

[Goldendawg]

By no means the Rick Ray years, but same ole same. 20+ wins, but can't beat teams better or similar to us. 8-10 in the SEC and gone in the first round for the third year in the row. I don't think in today's game, you can win with a volume shooter that is a big liability on defense. Very few other good players want to play in an one man offense. We must find some way to have a balanced offense instead of playing 3 on 5 as we did most of this year.

[DawgFromOxford]

And Stans says miss me yet?

Stans had his wins but I don't miss him. It's very evident the game has passed him by at this point

[Saltydog]

I'm not sure I see a lot of development from the guys we are getting........Outside of Murphy, I didn't see anyone I thought had improved a whole heck'uva lot..........

[HoopsDawg]

And Hubbard finishes with 2 fouls.

[maroonmania]

Thank God this season is over

Well, it was just the point of being able to say we finally won an NCAA tourney game. We weren't going any further.

[Turfdawg67]

I'm guessing 7 had a stroke or will..........I've said it time and again, NEVER get emotionally invested in MSU basketball.........

Or any MSU sport...

[StarkVegasSteve]

Biggest issue of that was we let the clock run way down too far before fouling when we were behind. Didn't leave us much time to get a shot set up on offense. Being a State fan has just continued to suck lately.

Can someone tell me what they called when we had the guy trapped at midcourt with like 19 seconds left? It looked like the ref said 5 seconds and then they were throwing the ball in.

[maroonmania]

Biggest story of this game, besides crapping the bed in the last minute, was just getting killed on the glass. Amazing we had a shot at the end.

[HoopsDawg]

Biggest issue of that was we let the clock run way down too far before fouling when we were behind. Didn't leave us much time to get a shot set up on offense. Being a State fan has just continued to suck lately.

So dumb.

[maroonmania]

Can someone tell me what they called when we had the guy trapped at midcourt with like 19 seconds left? It looked like the ref said 5 seconds and then they were throwing the ball in.

Well, they CALLED a jump ball when it should have been a 5 sec call. Huge call for sure. They had the possession arrow.

[msstate7]

And Hubbard finishes with 2 fouls.

This is what I'm most critical of Jans for. Sitting cam and Josh to close half was so dumb.

[HoopsDawg]

Can someone tell me what they called when we had the guy trapped at midcourt with like 19 seconds left? It looked like the ref said 5 seconds and then they were throwing the ball in.

They called a jump ball. Honestly Harris shouldn't have reached in.

[msstate7]

Can someone tell me what they called when we had the guy trapped at midcourt with like 19 seconds left? It looked like the ref said 5 seconds and then they were throwing the ball in.

Tie ball

[StarkVegasSteve]

This is what I'm most critical of Jans for. Sitting Josh to close half was so dumb.

FIFY

[CaptainObvious]

It's funny you think anybody recruits now. You only bid on guys.
Stansbury like most coaches except Coach K(😂) bought players. With NIL Stans could put together the best team he has ever bought!!

[BankerDog]

Until we get serious about winning and finding players who have the ?it? trait it?ll be the same song and dance as it has been the last 30 years outside of a few years at our university. This is a athletic department wide issue

[HoopsDawg]

This is what I'm most critical of Jans for. Sitting cam and Josh to close half was so dumb.

I'm ok sitting Cam. Hubbard isn't going to foul out.

[StarkVegasSteve]

They called a jump ball. Honestly Harris shouldn't have reached in.

Nope. We had the kid dead to rights. He dribbled it EXACTLY where we wanted him to dribble it.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Stansbury like most coaches except Coach K(��) bought players. With NIL Stans could put together the best team he has ever bought!!

And then he'd crap the bed like he did in every close game from 2005-2012.


EDIT: I was wrong. He didn't crap the bed in every game. He was 15-28 in those games for a win percentage of .348. Jans in his 3 seasons is 9-12 in one possession games for a win percentage of .429

[Tater]

Disappointing season. I'm
gonna go crash out. Already double digit beers in today.

Shawn Jones refusing to foul for 10 seconds was retarded. Josh Hubbard had the prettiest 3 with 2 minutes to go. Idc - he needed 10 more shots at the end. Claudell Harris was selfish in taking that shot. Call a ****ing TO if you got nothing. Bad mentals. Falls on Jans.

First year was great. Second year was good. Third year was a disappointment. Jans is showing a ceiling here. Is it his ceiling or is it our ceiling? Idk but I'm gonna go drink to find out

[msstate7]

I'm ok sitting Cam. Hubbard isn't going to foul out.

It's the combo that got us. 1 or the other, but not both .

[Tater]

Or any MSU sport...

Some times u just wanna feel something.

[Goldendawg]

And Hubbard finishes with 2 fouls.

Hard to foul your guy who is constantly taller than you (that part can't be helped) when he is constantly blowing by you and scoring.

[HoopsDawg]

Hard to foul your guy who is constantly taller than you (that part can't be helped) when he is constantly blowing by you and scoring.

He was really bad on defense

[Turfdawg67]

Some times u just wanna feel something.

I wish. MSU sports has made me pretty much dead inside. :-(

[R2Dawg]

Stans had his wins but I don't miss him. It's very evident the game has passed him by at this point

Post had nothing to do with Stans producing today. No past coach can coach in this era or now coach in past eras to compare. Just noting how people forget how good we were back then and the fanbase had some pride. Just empathy and apathy now.

[Tater]

I wish. MSU sports has made me pretty much dead inside. :-(

that's what the beer is for

[ScoobaDawg]

that's what the beer is for

No thanks... it's bourbon time...

[maroonmania]

They called a jump ball. Honestly Harris shouldn't have reached in.

Yea, and the refs must have just been looking for a way to bail Baylor out because I don't think Harris ever actually got hold of the ball. Huge call though because a 5 sec count would have given us the ball.

[StarkVegasSteve]

No thanks... it's bourbon time...

Tequila. Straight. Well Tequila too. We don't deserve good tequila

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yea, and the refs must have just been looking for a way to bail Baylor out because I don't think Harris ever actually got hold of the ball. Huge call though because a 5 sec count would have given us the ball.

It wasn't a jump ball. You either call the foul there or 5 seconds. Harris never had any sort of possession of the ball. They also bailed them out on the previous possession because Jones didn't foul Edgecombe. Matthews just stole the ball.

[Saltydog]

No doubt he's a defensive liability and always will be........He might improve some defensively but I don't see him getting any better offensively.........He's the same player now he was last year and will be the same player next year he is this year......Yeah, I'd like to know the number of points he gave up tonight but it's probably less than he scored........

[HoopsDawg]

Yea, and the refs must have just been looking for a way to bail Baylor out because I don't think Harris ever actually got hold of the ball. Huge call though because a 5 sec count would have given us the ball.

Agree. That wasn't a jump ball

[NCMSTFAN]

It's beyond ridiculous that we haven't gotten past the 1st round of the tournament since Stansbury. I'm frustrated as hell but proud the guys fought back the way they did. It's gonna be a long off season

[msstate7]

We got a gift on the Harris 3 foul though

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'll give us this, we could've rolled over when it got to 10 but we fought. I just look back at those two 3s missed by Kugel and Hubbard when we were down 5 with the ball. If either of those fall I think we win, because they immediately went down and got buckets both times.

[StarkVegasSteve]

We got a gift on the Harris 3 foul though

I was just about to say Harris cost us late, but his 3 FTs were a big reason we had a chance at the end. Still absolutely hate him taking that shot. I really think he panicked and thought there was less time than there was. We had Kugel cutting to the corner and was going to be open. He was 3-3 on the corner 3 today.

[msstate7]

The fact we are absolutely horrid on defense makes me kinda pissed we didn't use clary. Any dip from our terrible defense woulda been offset by having an actual ball handler that can score.

ETa... season, not just today

[HoopsDawg]

I'll give us this, we could've rolled over when it got to 10 but we fought. I just look back at those two 3s missed by Kugel and Hubbard when we were down 5 with the ball. If either of those fall I think we win, because they immediately went down and got buckets both times.

Once Jans played the right 5 guys, we were better than Baylor. Couldn't get out of the hole we dug ourselves at the end of the first half.

Too many turnovers and too many offensive rebounds.

[msstate7]

I have a feeling we going straight 2023/2024 state/2025 aTm next season. All D and hope we can score enough to win.

[Tater]

No thanks... it's bourbon time...

i'm on a diet and i need volume of drinks

[maroonmania]

I have a feeling we going straight 2023/2024 state/2025 aTm next season. All D and hope we can score enough to win.

Might as well because apparently the Jans D doesn't work without some REALLY good defenders. This double teaming and leaving people wide ass open is for the birds. And then today nobody could rebound so Baylor just got shot after shot on their end.

[maroonmania]

Seriously, will we ever have anything to really feel good about with a male MSU sport ever again? In this current environment I'm really beginning to wonder.

[msstate7]

Seriously, will we ever have anything to really feel good about with a male MSU sport ever again? In this current environment I'm really beginning to wonder.
Steps to big success here...

1. Pick baseball or MBK.
2. Pour 75% of our NIL funds, along with get the fanbase bought in this and up their giving for a season.
3. Hope it works bc it's our only prayer

[StarkVegasSteve]

Don't go look at the stats. It'll piss you off all over again.

Baylor: 43.5% from the field
State: 50.00% from the field

Baylor: 6/25 from 3
State: 10/29 from 3

Baylor: 9 TOs
State: 14 TOs

Baylor: 15 OFFENSIVE REBOUNDS
State: 7 Offensive Rebounds

[StarkVegasSteve]

Steps to big success here...

1. Pick baseball or MBK.
2. Pour 75% of our NIL funds, along with get the fanbase bought in this and up their giving for a season.
3. Hope it works bc it's our only prayer

Then pick basketball. Don't pick a non revenue sport.

[msstate7]

Then pick basketball. Don't pick a non revenue sport.

It would be my choice

[Coach34]

Hubbard scored but got abused on D
Played soft for almost the entire game
Should have played more zone- they killed us driving to the basket
Murphy getting the 2 fouls early really hurt
Missed too many open shots
I would have called a TO to set up something for Hubbard or a 2nd option in an attempt to get a better look at the end

[LC Dawg]

Then pick basketball. Don't pick a non revenue sport.

Yep.

[basedog]

I’m not gonna dog Hubbard, what really hurt today was we couldn’t get help defending the driving inside, got killed on Baylor getting offensive rebounds and the biggie was costly turnovers.

Without Hubbard we get by double digits, his defense didn’t cost us the game. Hope we don’t lose him next year.

[cheewgumm]

In the 2nd half Hubbard stopped shooting for about. Why?

Hubbard not shooting the last shot is coaching malpractice .

[cheewgumm]

People dogging Hubbard is typical of State fans.

Crazy, yes.

But typical.

[msstate7]

Since Hubbard will be back next season, maybe it's time to really learn to play zone

[StarkVegasSteve]

Listened to some of Jans press conference and honestly kind of rubbed me the wrong way. Said making the tournament was a big deal and then basically stated reasons why we should've gone further when trying to say why it was their goal to make it. I mean yea you made it and it's a lot better than the end of Stans, Ray, or Howland eras but you were in a conference that put 14 of the 16 teams in the tournament and a couple got in just because they were in the conference. Your goal should've been to win a game in the tourney and then let the chips fall where they may. We fell short of that goal. To take the next step, you're goal has to be to win in the tournament. I think Jans is still thinking like a mid major coach.

[cheewgumm]

Is Hubbard defense really being blamed for this loss?

Really?

Really?

Insanity

[StarkVegasSteve]

In the 2nd half Hubbard stopped shooting for about. Why?

Hubbard not shooting the last shot is coaching malpractice .

Jans said in the postgame that the play is supposed to be designed for Hubbard to hand it off and then get a dribble handoff screen from Harris. Harris panicked and shot it.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Is Hubbard defense really being blamed for this loss?

Really?

Really?

Insanity

Where are you seeing it? I haven't seen anyone blaming him. Heck, he was the only reason we were able to hang around long enough to have a chance at the end. He had half our points until like the 10 minute mark of the second half.

[cheewgumm]

Sorry I was seeing in the ?Hubbard got abused on D?

And

?We should consider paying zone if we keep Hubbard?

Thoughts

[StarkVegasSteve]

Sorry I was seeing in the ?Hubbard got abused on D?

And

?We should consider paying zone if we keep Hubbard?

Thoughts

I mean we do have to consider some of that because Hubbard did get hunted today. He's a defensive liability. But his offense is so good that you live with.

[basedog]

Basket is more of a team sport, chemistry is so important, I think with NIL and portal it’s very hard unless you can sign 2 or3 good freshmen. It’s much easier with elite blue bloods.
In saying this our team chemistry sucked.

[basedog]

I mean we do have to consider some of that because Hubbard did get hunted today. He's a defensive liability. But his offense is so good that you live with.

I saw several getting “hunted today”. Baylor driving time after time and offensive rebounding was a major flaw today.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I saw several getting “hunted today”. Baylor driving time after time and offensive rebounding was a major flaw today.

Oh it wasn't just Hubbard today. They hunted Harris multiple possessions as well. They hunted Melendez a bit too.

[MoreCowbell]

I'm not going that far. Jans certainly has some warts, but he's pretty damn good. Just really hope the rumors of us spending big this offseason are true. We've gotten to 3 straight tournies with pretty flawed teams. I'd love to see Jans get a complete team

I think Jans had the right idea in what type of roster he was trying to build I just think Kugel being an absolute headcase and Melendez regression over course of season was biggest reasons for the downfalls.

Harris was a good get and so was Nwoko. On paper and when he is on Kigel was a fantastic get and Melendez was a dawg at start of year. I mean it is up to him to get their potential out of them but he had the right vision. In NIL era it is looking like the character of player is just as or more important than their talent and physical tools.

[MrCoachKlein]

That Cam foul at the 1 min mark really messed us up. I thought it was a clean steal. Hubbard taking the inbound with only ~12 seconds seemed odd to me. Why not set him up for the shot off a pass? He is a great catch and shoot guy.

Not even really depressed on this one. We were an inconsistent team with no identity all year long. I really think they underachieved. We had 3 good big guys, 2 guards who can 'shoot' and a 3 who can drive and play D.

ETA: We really needed a true PG this year.

[maroonmania]

We were really awful to end the year and Jans needs to own it rather than just trying to make us feel good we got in. Didn't win anything after the A&M game other than beating an LSU team twice that had essentially quit. One of the most disappointing ends to a season I can remember.

[MrCoachKlein]

I think Jans had the right idea in what type of roster he was trying to build I just think Kugel being an absolute headcase and Melendez regression over course of season was biggest reasons for the downfalls.

Harris was a good get and so was Nwoko. On paper and when he is on Kigel was a fantastic get and Melendez was a dawg at start of year. I mean it is up to him to get their potential out of them but he had the right vision. In NIL era it is looking like the character of player is just as or more important than their talent and physical tools.

Seems like Melendez lost it after the ankle sprain (FL game?).

[DawgFromOxford]

I’m not gonna dog Hubbard, what really hurt today was we couldn’t get help defending the driving inside, got killed on Baylor getting offensive rebounds and the biggie was costly turnovers.

Without Hubbard we get by double digits, his defense didn’t cost us the game. Hope we don’t lose him next year.

This more than anything. The 2nd chance points and scoring opportunities we gave away by turnovers is what did us in.

[MrCoachKlein]

Hence the need for a true point. Hub is a 2. Cam can play 1 to throw teams out of order for a few min. We needed a real 1.

[maroonmania]

This more than anything. The 2nd chance points and scoring opportunities we gave away by turnovers is what did us in.

Yea, it's always something. Most of the year it's been the 3 pointers given up so today we let the boat leak somewhere else. Just aren't a very good team right now. Hard to find any aspect of the game on either end of the floor that we are especially good.at.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Hence the need for a true point. Hub is a 2. Cam can play 1 to throw teams out of order for a few min. We needed a real 1.

Well and we had one in Clary and then lost him. We have to stop bringing in risky guys. I know that's how Jans made his name with a guy like Teddy Allen but Clary is the 3rd player in two years that has quit on the team before SEC play began. Like we need to start knowing what we are getting. We knew what we were getting out of Harris, Melendez, and Kugel and they performed exactly the way that we thought they would. Not getting anything out of Clary was the killer. It cost us 2-3 games and that was the difference in being an 8 seed and a 6 seed.

[MrCoachKlein]

To lighten things up a bit, my die hard MEM buddy was talking so much s*** after us losing then turned around and lost to CO ST. I think he's still mad about betting a car payment to me on the MSU/MEM game.

[StarkVegasSteve]

To lighten things up a bit, my die hard MEM buddy was talking so much s*** after us losing then turned around and lost to CO ST. I think he's still mad about betting a car payment to me on the MSU/MEM game.

Memphis talk radio is going to be fun for the next couple of weeks

[MrCoachKlein]

Well and we had one in Clary and then lost him. We have to stop bringing in risky guys. I know that's how Jans made his name with a guy like Teddy Allen but Clary is the 3rd player in two years that has quit on the team before SEC play began. Like we need to start knowing what we are getting. We knew what we were getting out of Harris, Melendez, and Kugel and they performed exactly the way that we thought they would. Not getting anything out of Clary was the killer. It cost us 2-3 games and that was the difference in being an 8 seed and a 6 seed.

I don't think it hurts to bring those guys in as long as you don't count on them. Maybe they should be signed after nothing is left? IDK.

Melendez looked like Shane Battier before the ankle. He was more than we thought then came back to earth. Kugel needs a sports psychologist or preacher or exorcist or something. He's too athletic to not produce.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I don't think it hurts to bring those guys in as long as you don't count on them. Maybe they should be signed after nothing is left? IDK.

Melendez looked like Shane Battier before the ankle. He was more than we thought then came back to earth. Kugel needs a sports psychologist or preacher or exorcist or something. He's too athletic to not produce.

The thing with Kugel is that you could tell me he scored 18 with 4 threes and 2 steals and I wouldn't be shocked and you could tell me he scored 2 while going 0/7 from 3 and had 5 TOs and I wouldn't be shocked. He's like Paul George. Tell me he scores 30 and it wouldn't shock me and tell me he scores 13 and it wouldn't shock me.

[Coach34]

I’m not gonna dog Hubbard, what really hurt today was we couldn’t get help defending the driving inside, got killed on Baylor getting offensive rebounds and the biggie was costly turnovers.

Without Hubbard we get by double digits, his defense didn’t cost us the game. Hope we don’t lose him next year.

But you did see them score about 20 points directly on Hubbard tho right? He is our best offensive threat but he is not very good defensively due to size. He doesn’t lack effort. He plays hard just short

[basedog]

But you did see them score about 20 points directly on Hubbard tho right? He is our best offensive threat but he is not very good defensively due to size. He doesn’t lack effort. He plays hard just short

Lot of his problem on defense he gets beat off the dribble. Also we don’t do a good job of getting help on the inside stopping penetration. Also Hubbard makes up with scoring to even him giving up points. We need a inside guy who can defend and rebound
I loved we didn’t quit and played hard. Now losing is no fun.

[HoopsDawg]

We were really awful to end the year and Jans needs to own it rather than just trying to make us feel good we got in. Didn't win anything after the A&M game other than beating an LSU team twice that had essentially quit. One of the most disappointing ends to a season I can remember.

Spot on

[HoopsDawg]

But you did see them score about 20 points directly on Hubbard tho right? He is our best offensive threat but he is not very good defensively due to size. He doesn’t lack effort. He plays hard just short

Sometimes he doesn't close out well too.

We don't necessarily need a PG but we have to get a combo guard that can really defend. A Timmy Bowers type would be perfect but they don't grow on trees. Need a long 4 that can help Murphy protect the basket.

[Tater]

But you did see them score about 20 points directly on Hubbard tho right? He is our best offensive threat but he is not very good defensively due to size. He doesn’t lack effort. He plays hard just short

wright and love had beautiful kisses off the glass. if beards wife kissed him like that then he wouldn't have beaten her

[CarolinaDawgs]

Im getting tired of this statement im about to make, but thanks Cam for being a great bulldog.

I say Im tired of it because itd be nice to start thanking guys for being ****ing good and not just showing up for a long time.

Nothing against Cam love ya guy but getting to play cause youre familiar isn?t a recipe for success

[msstate7]

Im getting tired of this statement im about to make, but thanks Cam for being a great bulldog.

I say Im tired of it because itd be nice to start thanking guys for being ****ing good and not just showing up for a long time.

Nothing against Cam love ya guy but getting to play cause youre familiar isn?t a recipe for success

Cam was a really good player for us, but he fell off hard this season in sec play. No idea what happened... probably an injury we don't know about. He's one of my favorites, but I'm not sad his time here has ended. I think we can upgrade him.

[maroonmania]

Cam was a really good player for us, but he fell off hard this season in sec play. No idea what happened... probably an injury we don't know about. He's one of my favorites, but I'm not sad his time here has ended. I think we can upgrade him.

Cam really only works though on a team with several other really good offensive options because he is so limited on that end of the floor and we didn't have that. AGAIN, way too much was put on Hubbard's shoulders to provide us with offense and defenses were able to focus on him. Murphy was really the only other consistent offensive factor we had and he didn't even start. Seemed like we had more options pre-SEC but they all regressed significantly through the SEC schedule.

[EdwardDrayton]

Cam Matthews will always be one of my favorite Dawgs. He was loyal to the Maroon and White, gave everything he had, did it the right way and did it with a bright smile. Thank you Cam! Forever a Dawg!!!!