Toledo Game Thread

[SPMT]

Has way more to do with NIL and the portal. We could've survived a couple bad coaching hires. But we can't survive college football becoming semipro football.

Getting smoked by Toledo has nothing to do with NIL. Give me a break.

They aren?t tossing dollars around.

[BulldogBear]

Two infuriating things on that drive:

I can't stand the lack of discipline when players are unable to suspend the instinct to burn clock trying to fight for an extra yard when what they need to do is get the 17 out of bounds.

Apparently there is ONE universe in the multiverse where you don't take the points with one tick remaining from the TWELVE yard line. We're in it. You can't take very very significant risk of going into the half still down four scores. Lebby is now on probation in my mind. Hasn't lost me yet, but we can't have that BS.

[StarkVegasSteve]

The demise of Juco has really hurt our program as well.

4 coaches in 5 years, bad recruiting on defense, and being 2 years late to embracing NIL is what killed our program.

[RezDog7]

It would take 2 or 3 million dollars for us to buy a real d-line now. Another million or so to keep the guys we can't afford to lose.

I wouldn't keep any of these bums.

[msstate7]

Right or wrong you are no different than KB. You would rather be right and State suck than be wrong and we be good.

Wrong. Nothing made me happier than Jans making me look stupid, and I want nothing more than Lebby having yall bumping me wanting Lebby fired for years to come.

[HoopsDawg]

4 coaches in 5 years, bad recruiting on defense, and being 2 years late to embracing NIL is what killed our program.

It's a lot of things for sure. But no program benefited more from Juco recruiting than us.

[War Machine Dawg]

The demise of Juco has really hurt our program as well.

Yep. But even that wasn't fatal. We were doing a good job of developing HS talent under Mullen. But the NCAA murdered the ability to be a development program with NIL and the portal. Now you not only have to recruit new kids, you have to re-recruit your existing players who are being tapped up by bigger, richer programs. Then there's the impatient group of kids who leave because they aren't playing enough. And they don't even have to notify the school or staff, they can just go. It's ridiculous. Hope everyone who wanted this is happy with it.

[Coursesuper]

4 coaches in 5 years, bad recruiting on defense, and being 2 years late to embracing NIL is what killed our program.

Bingo, nailed it. If a really bad decision can be made if feel confident that we will hit that mark every time.

[Bdawg]

Can we get someone else to call the defense?

Yeah. Where is the co-dc??

[HoopsDawg]

Wrong. Nothing made me happier than Jans making me look stupid, and I want nothing more than Lebby having yall bumping me wanting Lebby fired for years to come.

You wanted Lebby fired in the 1st quarter of his 2nd game. Sorry man but that's incredibly stupid.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Wrong. Nothing made me happier than Jans making me look stupid, and I want nothing more than Lebby having yall bumping me wanting Lebby fired for years to come.

That is the thing. It was the same thing with KB too, 99% of us do not give one iota of a rats shit of you being right or wrong. We just want State to succeed. We all understand it is bad, hell you can be 3/4 blind and see that. Most do not appreciate you tooting your own horn trying to take a victory lap just to prove you were right.

[BulldogBear]

Deficiencies themselves aren't what is so infuriating. It's the total suckdom. We suck on the field, in the locker room, on the sidelines, and in the football offices. It's a total cluster 17. There is nothing positive about what we are seeing.

Example, well coached but simply out talented is something one cam wrap their mind around and look for solutions.

But there is nothing to build on. Nothing.

[msstate7]

You wanted Lebby fired in the 1st quarter of his 2nd game. Sorry man but that's incredibly stupid.
Is it ok now?

[MoreCowbell]

That is the thing. It was the same thing with KB too, 99% of us do not give one iota of a rats shit of you being right or wrong. We just want State to succeed. We all understand it is bad, hell you can be 3/4 blind and see that. Most do not appreciate you tooting your own horn trying to take a victory lap just to prove you were right.

For clarity, who is KB?

[msstate7]

That is the thing. It was the same thing with KB too, 99% of us do not give one iota of a rats shit of you being right or wrong. We just want State to succeed. We all understand it is bad, hell you can be 3/4 blind and see that. Most do not appreciate you tooting your own horn trying to take a victory lap just to prove you were right.

Well Steve, there isn't much more to take satisfaction in right now

[msstate7]

For clarity, who is KB?

Kb21

[MoreCowbell]

Deficiencies themselves aren't what is so infuriating. It's the total suckdom. We suck on the field, in the locker room, on the sidelines, and in the football offices. It's a total cluster 17. There is nothing positive about what we are seeing.

Example, well coached but simply out talented is something one cam wrap their mind around and look for solutions.

But there is nothing to build on. Nothing.

Bingo. Literally every facet of the program is moving backwards

[Bothrops]

Complete honesty here….who exactly would you classify as cannot afford to lose?

I Smith, Coleman, Kelley Jones, Mosley, Van Buren, and maybe McClendon - who's a good looking tr freshman.

[StarkVegasSteve]

For clarity, who is KB?

KB came to the board the day we hired Leach and every day after told us how great the AR Raid was and any time we lost it was never the fault of Mike Leach. When Leach died and we hired Arnett he accused everyone of crapping on the grave of Mike Leach saying we were disparaging his name. He then continued to tell everyone all last year how right he was and that we should have hired an AR coach.

[Matt3467]

KB came to the board the day we hired Leach and every day after told us how great the AR Raid was and any time we lost it was never the fault of Mike Leach. When Leach died and we hired Arnett he accused everyone of crapping on the grave of Mike Leach saying we were disparaging his name. He then continued to tell everyone all last year how right he was and that we should have hired an AR coach.

Does he still post? I haven't noticed anything from him.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Well maybe they will just screw up a bunch like that and we can get 3 and outs and TOs.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Does he still post? I haven't noticed anything from him.

He does not. May have been banned or just solely posts on GP

[Bothrops]

4 coaches in 5 years, bad recruiting on defense, and being 2 years late to embracing NIL is what killed our program.

This is a true statement. It's almost like the network execs didn't intend for us to hang around.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Lebby is just playing NCAA25 at this point.

[EdwardDrayton]

Now I'm just pissed off.

[DawgFromOxford]

Our RBs are so weak. Can't break a tackle if their life depended on it

[MoreCowbell]

Man it really cannot get worse

[Matt3467]

Our running backs are so bad. I'd rather have Holloway starting.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Our running backs are so bad. I'd rather have Holloway starting.

I would rather just ran 5 wide. They might actually play Whittemore for more than 10 snaps.

[Maverick91]

It doesn't matter that we have had 5 coaches in as many years, new coach, new dc, new players. Non of that matters. The facts that we can't tackle, we aren't in the right place, effort isn't there, players are confused, players are slow. All that screams we aren't doing the right thing in practice. Which is very scary.

[MoreCowbell]

Goodnight. Cannot watch anymore.

[Maverick91]

Why in the world are we working to run the ball so much?

[Matt3467]

Anyone have a ballpark idea how much we're paying Booth? I literally haven't seen a worse backfield combo of Lee and Booth in my life.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Heads need to roll for this. I do not know whos but there need to be moving boxes in the football offices before the clock hits zero.

[DawgFromOxford]

In 3 games its clear our DC needs to go. The defense literally doesnt do a single thing right.

[civildawg]

It doesn't matter that we have had 5 coaches in as many years, new coach, new dc, new players. Non of that matters. The facts that we can't tackle, we aren't in the right place, effort isn't there, players are confused, players are slow. All that screams we aren't doing the right thing in practice. Which is very scary.

Ding ding ding. How is it possible everyone on this team is this bad? Lebby has no idea what he's doing apparently. He hired a bunch of his friends so they could all hang out together I guess

[Apoplectic]

mercenaries will roll over at the first sign of adversity. this season may be one for the record books.

[Mjoelner34]

We should just have Shapen take a knee if we're going to run the ball. Similar outcome with less chance of a fumble.

[StarkVegasSteve]

mercenaries will roll over at the first sign of adversity. this season may be one for the record books.

Then we need to get better mercenaries.

[Bdawg]

This is f-ing unbelievable! NIL era = a bunch of mercenaries and quitters!! They are not that more talented than us. They do have tons more continuity in the team. We are getting totally embarrassed.

[msstate7]

Heads need to roll for this. I do not know whos but there need to be moving boxes in the football offices before the clock hits zero.

It's Lebby, dude. We can't fire him yet, but we will.

[StarkVegasSteve]

In 3 games its clear our DC needs to go. The defense literally doesnt do a single thing right.

In their defense, the offense does not really help them out by going 3 and out

[BulldogBear]

We don't have backs that run hard and/or fast.

We.have 4 rushing yards in the 3rd quarter against a MAC school in DWS.

[civildawg]

I don't know who our big boosters are but if I were one, I would demand selmon's firing in the morning

[Bothrops]

Is it ok now?

Who we gonna hire man?

[StarkVegasSteve]

It's Lebby, dude. We can't fire him yet, but we will.

Not there yet. Mostly because we cannot afford to. I knew we had problems going into the year, just did not know they were this bad.

[civildawg]

Who we gonna hire man?

I mean literally anyone would be better. Go hire Madison centrals coach or something

[Bothrops]

Lebby is like - I liked my house when it was in Norman

[msstate7]

Who we gonna hire man?

Who knows? As bad as he is, we can't fire him till after next season.

[Extendedcab]

Why in the hell does an offensive genius run between the tackles? Unbelievable!

[Bothrops]

I mean literally anyone would be better. Go hire Madison centrals coach or something

So someone like Arnett?

[Bdawg]

I’m watching receivers jog in routes now

[R2Dawg]

Heads need to roll for this. I do not know whos but there need to be moving boxes in the football offices before the clock hits zero.

Yep, worst I think I've seen in my 50 years of watching MSU football. Someone should be fired.

D don't even know where to line up and what they are running.

[WSOPdawg]

11 yards rushing in Q3... just wow

[Maverick91]

Ding ding ding. How is it possible everyone on this team is this bad? Lebby has no idea what he's doing apparently. He hired a bunch of his friends so they could all hang out together I guess

It's pathetic that's what it seems. This post should never be said about a coaching staff where millions of dollars are involved. Truly heads need to roll, obviously the defense hasn't practiced once so getting rid of the dc shouldn't be an issue. They could pay me 100k and I could do better.

[civildawg]

Sure he wouldn't have got blown out at home by Toledo

[StarkVegasSteve]

So for next year we need:

QB
RB
2-3 WR
4-5 OL
3 DL
2 LB
3 CB
S
DC

Did I miss anything?

[msstate7]

Why in the hell does an offensive genius run between the tackles? Unbelievable!

Offensive genius under lane and then with an immense talent advantage at Oklahoma.

I know Mullen worked out, but we need to find guys that do more with less, not guys that do it with the best talent

[EdwardDrayton]

Time to give Parson some reps.

[msstate7]

So for next year we need:

QB
RB
2-3 WR
4-5 OL
3 DL
2 LB
3 CB
S
DC

Did I miss anything?

HC
OC
DC

[Saltydog]

This is the worst MSU team I've seen in years. We just don't have SEC players and honestly, that's not going to change anytime soon in this day and age of NIL. We competed when we could develop players. No such thing anymore.

[HoopsDawg]

So for next year we need:

QB
RB
2-3 WR
4-5 OL
3 DL
2 LB
3 CB
S
DC

Did I miss anything?

A new OL coach.

[Bothrops]

So for next year we need:

QB
RB
2-3 WR
4-5 OL
3 DL
2 LB
3 CB
S
DC

Did I miss anything?

Your talking several million dollars for proven guys. We aren't about to do that.

[Matt3467]

I think Shapen is actually decent...

[Bothrops]

This is the worst team I've seen in years. We just don't have SEC players and honestly, that's not going to change anytime soon in this day and age of NIL. We competed when we could develop players. No such thing anymore.

I agree

[R2Dawg]

Our program has went thru the slow dismantling process. Mullen left, Moorhead killed the culture, Leach killed the D and made us soft, Arnett cost us another year; finally transfer and NIL finished us off in this HC debacle series. Lebby a first time HC is just lost and has no coaching help. Almost feel sorry for him.

[Mjoelner34]

I think Shapen is actually decent...

Shapen, WR's and punter. After that, it looks like a 2A high school team.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I think Shapen is actually decent...

He is. The problem is he has .4 seconds to throw even when they are bringing 4

[Maverick91]

We need coaches, not schemers. I have no access to the program so I cannot say first hand but watching this team screams they aren't being coached well, we might have great schemes but the coaching of them is extremely lacking.

[Matt3467]

Our program has went thru the slow dismantling process. Mullen left, Moorhead killed the culture, Leach killed the D and made us soft, Arnett cost us another year; finally transfer and NIL finished us off in this HC debacle series. Lebby a first time HC is just lost and has no coaching help. Almost feel sorry for him.

We had a decent D under Leach.

[R2Dawg]

A new OL coach.

Hah, yeah. Is Heavesy working?

[EdwardDrayton]

I think Shapen is actually decent...

He has some athletic ability but is slow to process. And we've scored three points against ....... Toledo. At home.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Start Daniels from here out. He actually has acceleration, does not run into the back of his blockers, and knows how to make a cut.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Really going to suck to lose Craver to [insert program]

[Bdawg]

Your talking several million dollars for proven guys. We aren't about to do that.

Hence why NIL has ruined us and this sport

[R2Dawg]

We had a decent D under Leach.

It was better than now but way off where we had been for a long time. Leach wouldn't recruit for D and wanted 25 WR on roster. This process has took years or erosion to get this bad. It didn't happen over night. Mullen looks like a recruiting genius right now doing what he did.

[Activated Alpha]

I got a lot of flak last year or the year before that when we had that big check guy write $500 million only for academics and I called it stupid not to at least allocate some of that to NIL. Imagine what we could have done with part of that in our NIL fund. Seems like even our biggest boosters doesn't give a rats ass towards football

[Bothrops]

Craver is another guy we can't lose, but will.

[BulldogBear]

Go for two there. Still four scores down. Idiots.

Also, not kicking the FG at the half is looking really stupid right now.

[R2Dawg]

Really going to suck to lose Craver to [insert program]

Yep none of this young talent will stay. We have some weapons at WR. OL is way worse than advertised.

[Bdawg]

Start Daniels from here out. He actually has acceleration, does not run into the back of his blockers, and knows how to make a cut.

Yeah that was pathetic earlier on the screen pass where Booth just outran his OL and didn’t set up his block. Could have been a nice play there

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yep none of this young talent will stay. We have some weapons at WR. OL is way worse than advertised.

OL is shit and the OL recruiting was shit. You CAN blame Leach for that. His OL recruiting was shit. We have ONE, yes ONE, player that Leach recruited on the OL that plays for us. And if these are the guys starting, imagine how shitty the backups are.

[msstate7]

35-3 = 32 = 4 td and 2 pt conversions.

Thanks for quitting, Lebby

[Turfdawg67]

Burn it to the ground. I'm just glad the new semi-pro football league has made indifferent. In years past I would not be a pleasant person to be around tonight.

[Bdawg]

I got a lot of flak last year or the year before that when we had that big check guy write $500 million only for academics and I called it stupid not to at least allocate some of that to NIL. Imagine what we could have done with part of that in our NIL fund. Seems like even our biggest boosters doesn't give a rats ass towards football

It takes big people like that to make a difference. A good sports program elevates the university. Wasn’t it 100 mil though?

[chef dixon]

35-3 = 32 = 4 td and 2 pt conversions.

Thanks for quitting, Lebby

The time management before the half was bad as well

[Bothrops]

Hence why NIL has ruined us and this sport

That's what I've been arguing since we failed to get important players on defense. Ypu know what you need, but you can't get it.

[Dawgology]

Burn it to the ground. I'm just glad the new semi-pro football league has made indifferent. In years past I would not be a pleasant person to be around tonight.

Same. Turned on Order of the Phoenix after States 2nd failed drive in Q1. If I watch hired athletes I?ll watch the NFL (which I watch more of now). Better talent and better product.

[BulldogBear]

35-3 = 32 = 4 td and 2 pt conversions.

Thanks for quitting, Lebby

Yep. Whether you kick it or miss a 2pt conversion you're still down 4 scores. You absolutely go for 2 there trailing like this in the 3rd quarter.

Maths is hard.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yep. Whether you kick it or miss a 2pt conversion you're still down 4 scores. You absolutely go for 2 there trailing like this in the 3rd quarter.

Maths is hard.

It really does not matter, we cannot stop them for it to matter.

[SPMT]

That's what I've been arguing since we failed to get important players on defense. Ypu know what you need, but you can't get it.

So, Toledo has a big NIL cupboard? They have much better players than we do.

I doubt their NIL is higher

[Maverick91]

It was better than now but way off where we had been for a long time. Leach wouldn't recruit for D and wanted 25 WR on roster. This process has took years or erosion to get this bad. It didn't happen over night. Mullen looks like a recruiting genius right now doing what he did.

I do wonder from a roster standpoint how bad we actually are. I watched an interview with Sark where he was talking about going to Texas and from a roster standpoint they were just depleted

[memsu06]

I'm gonna go fishing more this fall I think. In SEC play we're going to get murdered.

[StarkVegasSteve]

A G5 team just pushed the pile on us…..an SEC team. Let that sink in.

[Saltydog]

If the scheme on defense is to let them run past you and then jump on their back then we're executing it well.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I do wonder from a roster standpoint how bad we actually are. I watched an interview with Sark where he was talking about going to Texas and from a roster standpoint they were just depleted

We are a mid level G5 team on defense and a low level P4 on offense.

[Activated Alpha]

We are a mid level G5 team on defense and a low level P4 on offense.

Dude, I've seen better defense at Millsaps

[Bothrops]

So, Toledo has a big NIL cupboard? They have much better players than we do.

I doubt their NIL is higher

They have better coaching.

[Turfdawg67]

I'm gonna go fishing more this fall I think. In SEC play we're going to get murdered.

I see a 62-0 in our imminent future.

[Bothrops]

We are a mid level G5 team on defense and a low level P4 on offense.

We are worse than that on defense. A lot worse actually. Maybe Northwestern St or something

[StarkVegasSteve]

I am going to be just completely honest….I cannot even fully blame Hutzler. Like he is going to be fall guy on this. But he has NO TALENT AT ALL. LIKE NONE.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Again, pile pushed by a G5 team

[chef dixon]

I am going to be just completely honest….I cannot even fully blame Hutzler. Like he is going to be fall guy on this. But he has NO TALENT AT ALL. LIKE NONE.

Well maybe his dumbass should have been recruiting in January instead of trying to get a ring as dipshit coordinator at Bama

[BulldogBear]

It really does not matter, we cannot stop them for it to matter.

Well...yeah, there's that.

[Bothrops]

Georgia 3 Kentucky 9

3rd qtr

[StarkVegasSteve]

Well maybe his dumbass should have been recruiting in January instead of trying to get a ring as dipshit coordinator at Bama

He was here every recruiting weekend. Literally saw him at every basketball game.

[NCDawg]

I am going to be just completely honest….I cannot even fully blame Hutzler. Like he is going to be fall guy on this. But he has NO TALENT AT ALL. LIKE NONE.

I agree and the offense line is very poor also. No push, can't block.

[BulldogBear]

I see a 62-0 in our imminent future.

Only one?

[DawgFromOxford]

I am going to be just completely honest….I cannot even fully blame Hutzler. Like he is going to be fall guy on this. But he has NO TALENT AT ALL. LIKE NONE.

Lack of talent doesn't excuse poor tackling, bad angles, not knowing who to cover

[Turfdawg67]

Georgia 3 Kentucky 9

3rd qtr

Georgia will find a way to win. Great teams do

[Turfdawg67]

Only one?

Probably many...

[Mjoelner34]

Uh oh! That's there ass now!!!!******

[Bothrops]

Georgia will find a way to win. Great teams do

Carson is 10 of 18 for 97 yards. Almost 4th qtr

[Apoplectic]

where can we get some of these bad azz white dudes? we?ve been whipped by them for 2 straight weeks

[StarkVegasSteve]

I have never cut off a game early. The Shapen fumble did it for me.

[Brobi-wan]

I?m still here at the game?.somehow

[Statecoachingblows**]

I?m still here at the game?.somehow

At least you'll be on the road in no time once you leave.

[Apoplectic]

wow sharpen arm is shit

[StarkVegasSteve]

wow sharpen arm is shit

Hell he has .4 seconds to throw every time. He is probably seeing ghosts back there at this point.

[Coursesuper]

I?m still here at the game?.somehow

That anyone is there is beyond me.

[Statecoachingblows**]

This guy looks like he won a raffle to get to be the referee tonight

[DEDawg]

Well we found our RB at least

[Maverick91]

Why are we running when we need to score now or stop the clock

[Brobi-wan]

That anyone is there is beyond me.

Ya know, that’s a fair point. I can’t even tell you why I am.

[Bothrops]

Well we found our RB at least

Yep #20. And he'll look good with South Alabama jersey on next year.

[HaggardDawg]

Our DL just look fat.

[Bothrops]

Bad players make good players look bad

[LC Dawg]

Someone may score 100 on us.

[Mjoelner34]

Someone may score 100 on us.

Right now its looking like it might be Tennessee. They're up 71-0 with over 13 minutes left in the 4th.

[Bothrops]

Someone may score 100 on us.

Ole miss could but won't. Tennessee could and probably will. Texas won't show up to play us and score 48. Same for Georgia

[LC Dawg]

That anyone is there is beyond me.

I'm still here just to punish myself for being a Mississippi State fan.

[Apoplectic]

someone on toledo should beat 12 ass for that cheap shot

[War Machine Dawg]

Ole miss could but won't. Tennessee could and probably will. Texas won't show up to play us and score 48. Same for Georgia

😂 Lane might put up 120. He'll beat us as bad as he possibly can. He's probably got a Woody thinking about the day after Thanksgiving.

[War Machine Dawg]

Same. Turned on Order of the Phoenix after States 2nd failed drive in Q1. If I watch hired athletes I?ll watch the NFL (which I watch more of now). Better talent and better product.

I've been playing FIFA since halftime.

[mparkerfd20]

I've made the executive decision to not be Mississippi State football fans in our house this season.

[Brobi-wan]

I never thought I would be at a worse game than the south Alabama loss. I was wrong.

[TheLostDawg]

Who are the guys on D we can't afford to lose? I can't say there's one guy on D we can afford to keep.

Smith