View Full Version : So About Today's Scrimmage
confucius say
08-17-2024, 12:20 PM
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starkvegasdawg
08-17-2024, 12:34 PM
Most informative post I've ever read.
DownwardDawg
08-17-2024, 01:05 PM
Based on what I've seen so far, we are going to be soooo much better than last season!!!!!!
BeardoMSU
08-17-2024, 01:25 PM
Most informative post I've ever read.
Compelling and rich***
Pancho
08-17-2024, 01:48 PM
OL appears competent. several receivers and a TE look better than average. Booth and Lee are satisfactory at RB, Shapen will be okay if given time(doesn't appear to be holding onto the ball much over 2 seconds on any play). I think the LB's will be better than average, the secondary has a few guys who seem to have good potential and the DL is the most lackluster position group on the whole team and I'm not sure there is much depth on the DL either. gonna be exciting to see
CaptainObvious
08-17-2024, 01:54 PM
All the reports I've seen suggest everyone is undervaluing this team. Looks closer to a 9-3 team with an outside shot at 10-2. If all of our new players had signed with Alabama or Georgia they would have been rated 4 & 5 stars instead of 3 stars and "unrated"!
basedog
08-17-2024, 02:02 PM
“We talking bout practice man”*********
Saltydog
08-17-2024, 02:12 PM
OL appears competent. several receivers and a TE look better than average. Booth and Lee are satisfactory at RB, Shapen will be okay if given time(doesn't appear to be holding onto the ball much over 2 seconds on any play). I think the LB's will be better than average, the secondary has a few guys who seem to have good potential and the DL is the most lackluster position group on the whole team and I'm not sure there is much depth on the DL either. gonna be exciting to see
Yep, the DL is gonna get abused in league play. It's gonna be a huge problem.
Ranchdawg
08-17-2024, 02:15 PM
I hope y’all are correct. I really do! My take away from spring game, I know it was spring game and that was a long time ago. Things have changed since then. But this is the only thing I’ve actually seen as far as live ball and practice.
1. QB looked serviceable able to drop some dimes down field which was refreshing to see. C+
2. Running backs looked above average. B
3. O line looked ok. C
4. Receivers looked fast enough to have break away speed. B-
5. D line looked somewhat less than I’m used to. C-
6. Linebackers were in my opinion the bright spot on defense. B
7. D ends were slow and that has to be fixed. D
8. Secondary was ok but need more practice. C-
Cooterpoot
08-17-2024, 02:20 PM
OL appears competent. several receivers and a TE look better than average. Booth and Lee are satisfactory at RB, Shapen will be okay if given time(doesn't appear to be holding onto the ball much over 2 seconds on any play). I think the LB's will be better than average, the secondary has a few guys who seem to have good potential and the DL is the most lackluster position group on the whole team and I'm not sure there is much depth on the DL either. gonna be exciting to see
LOL
Coach34
08-17-2024, 02:23 PM
Text I got- "offense will be decent. Defense will not."
Pancho
08-17-2024, 02:28 PM
I was trying to drop it a bit easier than that.........
CaptainObvious
08-17-2024, 02:29 PM
Maybe our B+ Offense is making our C Defense look bad and the D will actually be serviceable enough to keep us in some SEC games.
I'm planning on traveling to a Bowl Game with the Dogs this Christmas even it it is because their APR gets them in at 5-7. I enjoy Bowl trips no matter where to. Tampa was fun. Nashville is always fun. Heck, even Fort Worth was fun. Memphis... you get what you make of it as long as you travel in packs!
Birmingham has lots of fun places to go, just so spread out and in pockets. I never made it to Charlotte but heard lots to do there even though the game was a blowout for a Dogs win. St. Pete was nice. Jacksonville.... not enough to do downtown unless the Alumni hosts a big event. Houston is huge with pockets of entertainment. Cotton Bowl was almost as cold as Liberty Bowl against Air Force which was the coldest I have ever been in the same stadium that a September game was the hottest I had ever been!
Offshore Dawg
08-17-2024, 02:32 PM
All the reports I've seen suggest everyone is undervaluing this team. Looks closer to a 9-3 team with an outside shot at 10-2. If all of our new players had signed with Alabama or Georgia they would have been rated 4 & 5 stars instead of 3 stars and "unrated"!
I will have what captain is having. So, what is your drug of choice at the moment.
CaptainObvious
08-17-2024, 02:41 PM
I will have what captain is having. So, what is your drug of choice at the moment.
Hallucinatory stuff! The drug that Dreams are made of. Same stuff I've used for basketball since Rick Ray was hired to replace our winningest coach!😂😂
somebodyshotmypaw
08-17-2024, 03:02 PM
Text I got- "offense will be decent. Defense will not."
This is correct. Defense will not be good. Hopefully they will be opportunistic and create some turnovers. But I am afraid the lack of talent and depth on the defensive line and in the secondary, along with the fast pace by our offense, will result in our defense giving up a ton of points. Brace yourselves because it will not be pretty.
Text I got- "offense will be decent. Defense will not."
I am hearing the defense is going to be good...not great, good!
Dawgology
08-17-2024, 03:58 PM
I think we will be close to our typical team. We could finish anywhere from 5-7 to 8-4. Likely landing around 6-6/7-5…which would be great for this team and coach. It would bode very well for the future of State while Lebby is here.
viverlibre
08-17-2024, 04:14 PM
I think we will be close to our typical team. We could finish anywhere from 5-7 to 8-4. Likely landing around 6-6/7-5?which would be great for this team and coach. It would bode very well for the future of State while Lebby is here.
If we go 6-6 levee should be Corch of the Year. 3 wins is the floor, 4 wins likely, 5 and 6 wins (Ark and UF) would mean we had a great year (from expectations). Sportsbooks have us at 4-4.5 wins.
MoreCowbell
08-17-2024, 05:06 PM
Having a terrible DL can affect everything. If the other team can just wear you down all game and keep your offense off the field you really do not have a chance.
MoreCowbell
08-17-2024, 05:07 PM
All the reports I've seen suggest everyone is undervaluing this team. Looks closer to a 9-3 team with an outside shot at 10-2. If all of our new players had signed with Alabama or Georgia they would have been rated 4 & 5 stars instead of 3 stars and "unrated"!
Is this /s?
Coach34
08-17-2024, 05:28 PM
Having a terrible DL can affect everything. If the other team can just wear you down all game and keep your offense off the field you really do not have a chance.
Yep. This is my concern as well
Lord McBuckethead
08-17-2024, 05:28 PM
Not what I have heard.
preachermatt83
08-17-2024, 05:51 PM
Text I got- "offense will be decent. Defense will not."
Similar to what I got. Receivers good. Qb good. O-line average. Backs average. So decent offense. But defense? was just ?oh boy? haha. Just figure out how to win 6
RockyDog
08-17-2024, 06:17 PM
Yall are seriously underestimating Coleman. He coached under Saban. The defense is going to be ready. Book it!
Cooterpoot
08-17-2024, 06:37 PM
DL is watered down, but we've got a couple players there. Injuries we have to worry about.
I'm not worried about the rest so much, but CB is thin too. LB and S should be solid.
StarkVegasSteve
08-18-2024, 12:44 AM
Yall are seriously underestimating Coleman. He coached under Saban. The defense is going to be ready. Book it!
Maybe so, but we are going to be BAD on defense. Everyone has been saying it since before the spring. And we have all said the same thing…..just hope we can force some TOs
Reunion Dog
08-18-2024, 03:29 AM
What a 17 idiot.
SpaceBully
08-18-2024, 05:57 AM
OOC wins will be like. ........ 55-45
SEC losses will be like ....... 35-65
StateDawg44
08-18-2024, 07:32 AM
Yall are seriously underestimating Coleman. He coached under Saban. The defense is going to be ready. Book it!
Funny because we all know that is how your fanbase feels about Golding.
msudawg1200
08-18-2024, 08:17 AM
Maybe our B+ Offense is making our C Defense look bad and the D will actually be serviceable enough to keep us in some SEC games.
I'm planning on traveling to a Bowl Game with the Dogs this Christmas even it it is because their APR gets them in at 5-7. I enjoy Bowl trips no matter where to. Tampa was fun. Nashville is always fun. Heck, even Fort Worth was fun. Memphis... you get what you make of it as long as you travel in packs!
Birmingham has lots of fun places to go, just so spread out and in pockets. I never made it to Charlotte but heard lots to do there even though the game was a blowout for a Dogs win. St. Pete was nice. Jacksonville.... not enough to do downtown unless the Alumni hosts a big event. Houston is huge with pockets of entertainment. Cotton Bowl was almost as cold as Liberty Bowl against Air Force which was the coldest I have ever been in the same stadium that a September game was the hottest I had ever been!
I don't see a bowl game in our future this year. Hope I'm wrong.
msstate7
08-18-2024, 09:00 AM
OOC wins will be like. ........ 55-45
SEC losses will be like ....... 35-65
This is no more desirable to me than not scoring at all and playing defensive games.
Homedawg
08-18-2024, 09:22 AM
All the reports I've seen suggest everyone is undervaluing this team. Looks closer to a 9-3 team with an outside shot at 10-2. If all of our new players had signed with Alabama or Georgia they would have been rated 4 & 5 stars instead of 3 stars and "unrated"!
Not sure where you are getting That. We aren't winning 9 games. Zero chance.
DownwardDawg
08-18-2024, 09:44 AM
This is no more desirable to me than not scoring at all and playing defensive games.
Me too.
viverlibre
08-18-2024, 09:46 AM
Not sure where you are getting That. We aren't winning 9 games. Zero chance.
What you're reading is what is called a "troll" job. First rule of the internet, never believe anything you read, it's either a scam, disinformation or someone pulling your leg.
PMDawg
08-18-2024, 11:09 AM
If our defense is that bad, and our offense appears to be "ok to good", then is our offense even decent? Shouldn't they be destroying the defense consistently if that's really the case?
Coach34
08-18-2024, 11:40 AM
This is no more desirable to me than not scoring at all and playing defensive games.
losing is losing.
DEDawg
08-18-2024, 12:04 PM
Been around enough to know this means O will be slightly worse than the pre season hype and D will be slightly better than the preseason doom and gloom. 5-7 or 6-6
DawgFromOxford
08-18-2024, 12:35 PM
Text I got- "offense will be decent. Defense will not."
Well if I had to pick one to be good at I?d rather have a good offense
TaleofTwoDogs
08-18-2024, 12:45 PM
Y'all know what is coming this season. Don't try to deny it, you are State fans after all.
3 phases of MSU football grief: confusion, horror, apathy.
viverlibre
08-18-2024, 12:45 PM
If our defense is that bad, and our offense appears to be "ok to good", then is our offense even decent? Shouldn't they be destroying the defense consistently if that's really the case?
We likely won't know if the offense will be "decent to good" until the 4th game (UF). We should put up good numbers against our first three opponents, but none will offer much competition.
RiverCityDawg
08-18-2024, 12:50 PM
Been around enough to know this means O will be slightly worse than the pre season hype and D will be slightly better than the preseason doom and gloom. 5-7 or 6-6
This is what I'm expecting as well.
CaptainObvious
08-18-2024, 01:50 PM
So to summarize:
They are going to be intentional in their relentless effort, straining forth, playing with hair on fire, aggressive, passionate about the game of football, playing to win on every play!
Does that about sum it up or did I leave anything out?
RockyDog
08-18-2024, 03:28 PM
Funny because we all know that is how your fanbase feels about Golding.
Who the f is Golding and what is my fan base? I?m a Bulldog, you idiot.
Pancho
08-18-2024, 03:51 PM
are you angry?
maroonmania
08-18-2024, 04:50 PM
Not sure where you are getting That. We aren't winning 9 games. Zero chance.
Wow, I just assumed he left off the sarcasteriks. Have trouble believing anyone really thinks we are going to win 9 to 10 games this season.
Cooterpoot
08-18-2024, 05:07 PM
It's year one of a rebuild. My expectations are low,,excitement high, and I feel like we can win 6 if we stay healthy.
civildawg
08-18-2024, 05:24 PM
I placed $100 on over 4 wins at ameristar. 4-8 incoming
Todd4State
08-18-2024, 05:31 PM
This is no more desirable to me than not scoring at all and playing defensive games.
I will say that it seems to me at least at Mississippi State it's a lot easier to "fix" the defense so I have no problem trying to establish the offense first and focus on offense first.
It worked for Lane at Ole Miss and let's be honest- it worked for Dan when he first got here too.
CaptainObvious
08-18-2024, 05:54 PM
Not sure where you are getting That. We aren't winning 9 games. Zero chance.
After reading the first few posts of this thread, I was sure that "most" on here would not need sarcasterisks (***) following my post you responded to. Like saying our 3 star and No-Stars would be 4 and 5 stars if Georgia or Bama had signed them should have been a clue.
But seriously, I would definitely take a 5-7 APR awarded Bowl trip the Birmingham this year after the crap show we witnessed last year. And even then, I believe State just missed an APR selection.
viverlibre
08-18-2024, 06:50 PM
I placed $100 on over 4 wins at ameristar. 4-8 incoming
I put $25 on it, I would have put more but I got -135.
SpaceBully
08-19-2024, 05:21 AM
Yep, the DL is gonna get abused in league play. It's gonna be a huge problem.
We're gonna look a lot like Ole Miss on D the last couple years. LBs will have to make a ton of tackles. DL will be very porous.
SpaceBully
08-19-2024, 05:23 AM
Wow, I just assumed he left off the sarcasteriks. Have trouble believing anyone really thinks we are going to win 9 to 10 games this season.
A Wild Turkey weekend.
StarkVegasSteve
08-19-2024, 08:39 AM
A Wild Turkey weekend.
I'll be having a Tito's in 12 days probably saying the same thing
Jarius
08-19-2024, 09:30 PM
The defense beat the offense pretty handily in the scrimmage Saturday. I don’t know if that means that the offense isn’t any good or the defense is better than we thought.
PMDawg
08-20-2024, 08:08 AM
The defense beat the offense pretty handily in the scrimmage Saturday. I don’t know if that means that the offense isn’t any good or the defense is better than we thought.
Probably a little bit of both. It's a brand new system with brand new personnel on the offensive side (defensive side too, but that's never as big of an adjustment). I think what we'll see is a slow (or slower than we want) start, but the offense will improve as the season progresses. Hopefully the defense is not as bad as some have been saying/thinking. We'll find out soon enough.
TrapGame
08-20-2024, 10:35 AM
Probably a little bit of both. It's a brand new system with brand new personnel on the offensive side (defensive side too, but that's never as big of an adjustment). I think what we'll see is a slow (or slower than we want) start, but the offense will improve as the season progresses. Hopefully the defense is not as bad as some have been saying/thinking. We'll find out soon enough.
Jake Wimberly had some good insight on his show last week. He said most of the portal guys on defense started or had starts on their previous teams and have experience playing D1 level college football defense. They aren't a bunch of true freshman virgins. It really will come down to coaching and picking up the scheme.
Mjoelner34
08-20-2024, 10:44 AM
The defense beat the offense pretty handily in the scrimmage Saturday. I don’t know if that means that the offense isn’t any good or the defense is better than we thought.
From what I read on the other board, most of that was late in the scrimmage when it was back-ups against back-ups.
Offshore Dawg
08-20-2024, 11:35 AM
It's year one of a rebuild. My expectations are low,,excitement high, and I feel like we can win 6 if we stay healthy.
State has been playing like they are rebuilding almost every year since the 40's.
Thick
08-21-2024, 08:30 AM
We better take the ball when we win the coin toss according to all of the reports by ED intell. How about just watch the games, and let’s see where the chips fall. I’m excited, bc we have a coaching staff that recruits hard and now we get to see how well they coach and make adjustments both weekly and in-game. It’s also nice to hear that our offense looks pretty good. Normally we get the “defense is good and our offense is going to be the challenge” in fall workouts. 6-6 would be a really good start for this regime, plus it will help bolster recruiting. New approach….be positive until you have a real reason to be upset, discouraged, or pissed off! Hail State
Commercecomet24
08-21-2024, 09:54 AM
We better take the ball when we win the coin toss according to all of the reports by ED intell. How about just watch the games, and let’s see where the chips fall. I’m excited, bc we have a coaching staff that recruits hard and now we get to see how well they coach and make adjustments both weekly and in-game. It’s also nice to hear that our offense looks pretty good. Normally we get the “defense is good and our offense is going to be the challenge” in fall workouts. 6-6 would be a really good start for this regime, plus it will help bolster recruiting. New approach….be positive until you have a real reason to be upset, discouraged, or pissed off! Hail State
100% the right perspective!
Jarius
08-21-2024, 06:45 PM
From what I read on the other board, most of that was late in the scrimmage when it was back-ups against back-ups.
The backups started the scrimmage, actually. I know a guy who attended.
BeardoMSU
08-21-2024, 06:58 PM
Jesus, this board has almost collectively tucked their dicks and balls back and given up...before the season has even started...
https://youtu.be/jKofnVkUwBA?si=9X9pG9-RGyR_j_kK
Dawgology
08-21-2024, 07:28 PM
Probably a little bit of both. It's a brand new system with brand new personnel on the offensive side (defensive side too, but that's never as big of an adjustment). I think what we'll see is a slow (or slower than we want) start, but the offense will improve as the season progresses. Hopefully the defense is not as bad as some have been saying/thinking. We'll find out soon enough.
This is what I?ve been thinking. State won?t be the same team at the end of the year as it was at the beginning. Even if the stats don?t show it. Our schedule starts off relatively easier than it ends. We will improve but I?m not sure the scoreboard will show it.
Todd4State
08-22-2024, 01:34 AM
This is what I?ve been thinking. State won?t be the same team at the end of the year as it was at the beginning. Even if the stats don?t show it. Our schedule starts off relatively easier than it ends. We will improve but I?m not sure the scoreboard will show it.
I wouldn't be that surprised if we pick up the offense quicker than expected. I've only seen the spring game (I know- but it's all I've got right now) but I thought we looked pretty good for a team with a new offensive install.
BulldogDX55
08-23-2024, 02:44 PM
I wouldn't be that surprised if we pick up the offense quicker than expected. I've only seen the spring game (I know- but it's all I've got right now) but I thought we looked pretty good for a team with a new offensive install.
Agreed. That spring game, having seen many, is the primary source of most of the (admittedly small) hope I am experiencing right now for the upcoming season. Hitting a bunch of passes downfield for the first time in a few years was nice, too.
Todd4State
08-23-2024, 05:08 PM
Agreed. That spring game, having seen many, is the primary source of most of the (admittedly small) hope I am experiencing right now for the upcoming season. Hitting a bunch of passes downfield for the first time in a few years was nice, too.
I have to believe that we will hit a few of those even against superior opponents. And we need to do that to be competitive and try to create some semblance of hype.
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