So we are now at 6 players drafted in the Top 9 rounds

[Coach34]

Seems like we are recruiting fairly well

and still no Hines/Dirtbag/Hugesak/Hardin

[Pancho]

MLB scouts know their business

[The Federalist Engineer]

Hardin would be great to have back. That's 40 to 50 quality innings. Huge.

Hujsak needs to claim Long COVID made Lemons bench him for a year, then point to Hancock's horrible numbers, "see, my coach was not thinking right, I was basically red-shirted"

[sandjunky]

Seems like we are recruiting fairly well

and still no Hines/Dirtbag/Hugesak/Hardin
Just shows how much the coaching leaves to be desired (Parker excluded)

[Coach34]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">��MLB DRAFT PICKS BY SCHOOL (Thru Day 2)��<br><br>Tennessee 8<br>LSU 7<br>Arkansas 6<br>Florida State 6<br>Mississippi State 6<br>Oklahoma 6<br>Oklahoma State 6<br>Vanderbilt 6<br>Oregon State 5<br>Texas A&amp;M 5<br>Wake Forest 5<br><br>246 of 315 (78 percent) picks were D1 players<br><br>h/t <a href="https://twitter.com/Brian_ClemsonAC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Brian_ClemsonAC</a></p>&mdash; Kendall Rogers (@KendallRogers) <a href="https://twitter.com/KendallRogers/status/1812969688734867802?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 15, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Coach34]

Just shows how much the coaching leaves to be desired (Parker excluded)

Dirtbag? Great season
Hugesak? Great season
Chance? Overachiever of the year in the SEC
Kohler? Hurt all year but hit .300 down the stretch
Downs? Hit .300 but hurt half the season
Jordan? Struck out too much but still hit .350 with 20 bombs

Hines and Larry played below expectations

Looks like the coaching is pretty good. We finished 5th in the SEC. Do you think our line-up was Top 5 in talent? (The correct answer is no)

[Cooterpoot]

Parker got the pitchers bank. None of them would've been a top 10 round guy except maybe Dohm and the one guy who couldn't get an out. Maybe Loo falls later. Jordan fell big. Hines still isn't drafted. Take out the pitchers and it's really weak. Foxhall recruited well? Couldn't coach a damn lick. Gaut hasn't done squat recruiting wise.

[Saltydog]

Dirtbag? Great season
Hugesak? Great season
Chance? Overachiever of the year in the SEC
Kohler? Hurt all year but hit .300 down the stretch
Downs? Hit .300 but hurt half the season
Jordan? Struck out too much but still hit .350 with 20 bombs

Hines and Larry played below expectations

Looks like the coaching is pretty good. We finished 5th in the SEC. Do you think our line-up was Top 5 in talent? (The correct answer is no)

How was that coaching in '22 and '23? To hear you say it we were the "murder's row" 1927 NYY or the '75 Big Red machine, you know all this talent we have. Good thing those teams weren't coached by Lemonz......

[Coach34]

Parker got the pitchers bank. None of them would've been a top 10 round guy except maybe Dohm and the one guy who couldn't get an out. Maybe Loo falls later. Jordan fell big. Hines still isn't drafted. Take out the pitchers and it's really weak. Foxhall recruited well? Couldn't coach a damn lick. Gaut hasn't done squat recruiting wise.

Jerk would have come on- you could see in 23 he just needed experience. He was a preseason Top 150 guy. Purdue is where you could see the improvement. Dohm actually fell lower than expected- but that was arm health concerns and nothing else.

Hines screwed himself trying to pull everything. DJ needs another year of college and everybody sees that- even the pros. But he is too talented not to take. And even with DJ- his numbers were alot better this year than his Freshman year

[somebodyshotmypaw]

Dakota is so talented. But for someone who is a great athlete supposedly, he does not steal bases well or play great defense. He strikes out too much, is guilty of trying to do too much, and does not make adjustments at the plate very well. He needs development. Development can happen in the minors, or at the college level. But I think he is a good pick in the 4th round.

[bulldawg28]

Dakota is so talented. But for someone who is a great athlete supposedly, he does not steal bases well or play great defense. He strikes out too much, is guilty of trying to do too much, and does not make adjustments at the plate very well. He needs development. Development can happen in the minors, or at the college level. But I think he is a good pick in the 4th round.

Dude is the truth and supreme athlete. A slump doesn't define what he's done

[Pancho]

Hopefully he's coachable in the minors

[PMDawg]

Dude is the truth and supreme athlete. A slump doesn't define what he's done

If he can't hit a college breaking ball...I don't know. He's certainly athletic enough to do it. Hopefully someone can help him figure it out in the minors. No doubt he can hit a fastball though.

[Santiago]

Safe to say, we will not have 9 next year.
And we did not get past a regional this year with this team.

[Cooterpoot]

Bottom line is we've got to get big time hitters on campus and we just haven't consistently done it. Hopefully this portal crop proves fruitful & hopefully Gaut gets his crap together a bit.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

A year ago, the narrative was that Fox handled everything pitching, so Lemo wasn't responsible for any issues there. Now, our success in pitching is proof Lemo is a good recruiter. Can't have it both ways

More to the point, finishing 5th in the SEC is fine, but not wining a regional was an underperformance. There are not 16 teams with more players drafted.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

So just looked at it. TN had 8 guys drafted, LSU 7. Then we're in a 6 way tie for 3rd with Arky, Vandy, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, and Florida state.

Pretty rough to just use this, but we certainly had to 10-15 range talent. Which is great that Lemo got them here (though the Pitchers were on Fox), but not so great that he couldn't make it out of a regional.

Doesn't really matter. Everyone agrees he's gotta win next year

[Cooterpoot]

A year ago, the narrative was that Fox handled everything pitching, so Lemo wasn't responsible for any issues there. Now, our success in pitching is proof Lemo is a good recruiter. Can't have it both ways

More to the point, finishing 5th in the SEC is fine, but not wining a regional was an underperformance. There are not 16 teams with more players drafted.

We had no hitters or bullpen. We were a one trick pony and our saddle was on our starting pitching.

[Coach34]

We had no hitters or bullpen. We were a one trick pony and our saddle was on our starting pitching.

Exactly

We have now had 8 players drafted- 6 of them are pitchers

Hardin in the 12th
Hugesack in the 13th

[BrunswickDawg]

So just looked at it. TN had 8 guys drafted, LSU 7. Then we're in a 6 way tie for 3rd with Arky, Vandy, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, and Florida state.

Pretty rough to just use this, but we certainly had to 10-15 range talent. Which is great that Lemo got them here (though the Pitchers were on Fox), but not so great that he couldn't make it out of a regional.

Doesn't really matter. Everyone agrees he's gotta win next year

So in the same talent range as #1 knocked out by #4 Arky, 2 and q 2 seed Vandy; #1 knocked out by #3 Oklahoma; #1 knocked out by #3 OSU; and a CWS team.
Again, it shows how drafted talent is not necessarily a marker for how you do in the post season.

[Coach34]

Tyler Davis drafted in the 15th.

7 pitchers now

2 position players

[Coach34]

A year ago, the narrative was that Fox handled everything pitching, so Lemo wasn't responsible for any issues there. Now, our success in pitching is proof Lemo is a good recruiter. Can't have it both ways

More to the point, finishing 5th in the SEC is fine, but not wining a regional was an underperformance. There are not 16 teams with more players drafted.

A year ago the narrative was that Lemon couldnt recruit and we had no talent so we needed to fire him- not prolong the inevitable

[EdwardDrayton]

MLB scouts know their business

Billy Beane says hi. :)

[EdwardDrayton]

Will someone recap the players we've had drafted and what round. Thanks.

[Coach34]

Cam Opener drafted in the 19th round
Dirtbag in the 18th

8 pitchers and 3 position. 11 players total

[Coach34]

That does it. 11 players drafted

Hines goes undrafted. That should send a strong message about amending your hitting approach

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

A year ago the narrative was that Lemon couldnt recruit and we had no talent so we needed to fire him- not prolong the inevitable

The narrative is that he is a sub par coach, which is still true

Top 10 draft picks, NIL that Kentucky clearly can't compete with, a coaching budget that allows him to poach USCs assistant, and he won 2 postseason games in the past 3 seasons

Again, next year will tell all, but don't act like Lemo isn't vastly underperforming his resources. His in game management alone costs us a lot of wins

[Cooterpoot]

Lemon still can't recruit. Parker and Foxy brought in the pitching talent. DJ, Hines, and Mershon all dropped in the draft. Lots of late draft guys too. It's what's inside that top 10 rounds that is a good picture. Pitching was strong but no back end due to injury. The rest though, not so good.

[Coach34]

Lemon still can't recruit. Parker and Foxy brought in the pitching talent. DJ, Hines, and Mershon all dropped in the draft. Lots of late draft guys too. It's what's inside that top 10 rounds that is a good picture. Pitching was strong but no back end due to injury. The rest though, not so good.

The mental gymnastics around here to try to keep from giving Lemon a little credit is amazing. Some of you act like he meets our recruits for the 1st time when they show up in August

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="et" dir="ltr">⚾️MOST <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MLBDRAFT?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MLBDRAFT</a> PICKS BY COLLEGE⚾️<br><br>Mississippi State 11<br>LSU 9<br>Arkansas 8<br>Florida State 8<br>Oklahoma 8<br>Oklahoma State 8<br>Tennessee 8<br>Kentucky 7<br>Ole Miss 7<br>Oregon State 7<br>Texas A&amp;M 7<br>Vanderbilt 7<br><br>h/t <a href="https://twitter.com/Brian_ClemsonAC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Brian_ClemsonAC</a></p>&mdash; Kendall Rogers (@KendallRogers) <a href="https://twitter.com/KendallRogers/status/1813333746957054359?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 16, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[The Federalist Engineer]

Curious ... Dane Burns an MSU recruit from 2 years ago, that would have been a freshman this past year

Drafted in the 17th round

Lefty that throws 97 mph.

Did he get hurt and rehab independently?

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

The mental gymnastics around here to try to keep from giving Lemon a little credit is amazing. Some of you act like he meets our recruits for the 1st time when they show up in August

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="et" dir="ltr">⚾️MOST <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MLBDRAFT?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MLBDRAFT</a> PICKS BY COLLEGE⚾️<br><br>Mississippi State 11<br>LSU 9<br>Arkansas 8<br>Florida State 8<br>Oklahoma 8<br>Oklahoma State 8<br>Tennessee 8<br>Kentucky 7<br>Ole Miss 7<br>Oregon State 7<br>Texas A&M 7<br>Vanderbilt 7<br><br>h/t <a href="https://twitter.com/Brian_ClemsonAC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Brian_ClemsonAC</a></p>— Kendall Rogers (@KendallRogers) <a href="https://twitter.com/KendallRogers/status/1813333746957054359?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 16, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He underperformed like no other. Wins per draft pick:

Texas A&M - 7.6
Tennessee - 7.5
Kentucky - 6.6
Oregon St - 6.4
FSU - 6.1
Arkansas - 5.5
Vandy - 5.4
OSU - 5.3
OU - 5.0
LSU - 4.8
Ole Miss - 3.9
MSU - 3.6

[Todd4State]

Curious ... Dane Burns an MSU recruit from 2 years ago, that would have been a freshman this past year

Drafted in the 17th round

Lefty that throws 97 mph.

Did he get hurt and rehab independently?

Yes. He essentially redshirted because he had Tommy John around the time he had to report to MSU so he sat the year out because he would have anyway.

[Todd4State]

He underperformed like no other. Wins per draft pick:

Texas A&M - 7.6
Tennessee - 7.5
Kentucky - 6.6
Oregon St - 6.4
FSU - 6.1
Arkansas - 5.5
Vandy - 5.4
OSU - 5.3
OU - 5.0
LSU - 4.8
Ole Miss - 3.9
MSU - 3.6

Considering that 7-8 of those draft picks were pitchers and therefore not even on the field much of the time and that we had three position players drafted it would kind of prove your "stat" wrong.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Considering that 7-8 of those draft picks were pitchers and therefore not even on the field much of the time and that we had three position players drafted it would kind of prove your "stat" wrong.

Ahh, so you're saying Lemo failed to get talented players (that matter) here?

We can't praise him for all the MLB talent, then defend the W-L record by claiming he had little talent

[Pancho]

I'm just wondering what if anything has changed with Lemo's assessing these new incoming portal guys.

[Coach34]

I'm just wondering what if anything has changed with Lemo's assessing these new incoming portal guys.

Well- considering our portal class is ranked 5th best in the country- I'd say he is doing pretty well.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The last change for the Team Rankings formula. This is finally the sweet spot as the previous version began to favor quantity over potential quality.<br><br>Commits 1-5: 100% value<br>Commits 6-8: 50% value<br><br>Given that, here is the new Top 10 <a href="https://t.co/axXmzi0iR8">pic.twitter.com/axXmzi0iR8</a></p>&mdash; 64Analytics (@64Analytics) <a href="https://twitter.com/64Analytics/status/1815099181658411410?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 21, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Todd4State]

Ahh, so you're saying Lemo failed to get talented players (that matter) here?

We can't praise him for all the MLB talent, then defend the W-L record by claiming he had little talent

My stance has always been that Foxhall was the biggest issue. After this year I think it's pretty hard to argue against that.

[Todd4State]

I'm just wondering what if anything has changed with Lemo's assessing these new incoming portal guys.

I'd definitely say that as far as the hitters go they're a lot more well rounded players. Lots of guys with 10+ home runs, pretty good K/BB ratios, and at least 10 stolen bases seems to be the typical profile.

[Pancho]

sounds like a SR caliber team. I believe in Parker.

[Cooterpoot]

Well- considering our portal class is ranked 5th best in the country- I'd say he is doing pretty well.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The last change for the Team Rankings formula. This is finally the sweet spot as the previous version began to favor quantity over potential quality.<br><br>Commits 1-5: 100% value<br>Commits 6-8: 50% value<br><br>Given that, here is the new Top 10 <a href="https://t.co/axXmzi0iR8">pic.twitter.com/axXmzi0iR8</a></p>&mdash; 64Analytics (@64Analytics) <a href="https://twitter.com/64Analytics/status/1815099181658411410?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 21, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Except that site isn't a legitimate site. Some of the stuff on there is really bad. But rankings don't matter much in baseball anyway.

[Cooterpoot]

My stance has always been that Foxhall was the biggest issue. After this year I think it's pretty hard to argue against that.

Except he brought in arms. God awful coach, but he's recruited pretty solid. Take out our pitchers and our draft was trash.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Except he brought in arms. God awful coach, but he's recruited pretty solid. Take out our pitchers and our draft was trash.

Yep! People want to say that Lemo is a CEO coach with a hitting background, so Fox also handles recruiting. But now they want to give Lemo credit for Fox's recruiting. Fact is, Lemo has misevaluated a LOT of position players over the years leaving us with odd holes in the lineup and only a couple drafted guys this year.

He also made an A+ hire to replace Fox, thereby unlocking all the potential of Foxs recruits. He also was in the host discussion and finished 5th in the SEC. It's not ALL bad against Lemo, but it's funny that people are trying to give him credit for our pitching draft picks when a year ago they claimed the opposite, all while ignoring the relative lack of talent on Lemos side of the recruiting

[Pancho]

He's very lucky and is a weak evaluator overall. He has had 6 years to validate this but he might be here for 10 years if last year is considered good enough annually.

[CovertDawg]

ESPN's MLB draft analyst has 2025 Mississippi State Commitment Jacob Parker out of Purvis as the 40th ranked prospect (includes college and high school players) for next year's draft. I saw he won the high school home run derby at the MLB All Star game. His twin brother, Jojo, is also committed. Jacob is the corner outfielder power bat and JoJo is the slick fielding versatile middle infielder.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/40617490/2025-2026-mlb-draft-rankings-number-1-prospect-prediction

[Todd4State]

Except he brought in arms. God awful coach, but he's recruited pretty solid. Take out our pitchers and our draft was trash.

Also on this year's team- Hunter Hines who was undrafted but likely will be the school's all time home run hitter in his career.

Ross Highfill who would have helped the offense out a lot. And the two guys that he recruited who were intended to be back ups were solid considering what they were initially recruited for. Powell hit .357 in SEC play.

Logan Kohler- solid player when healthy. Which was rare. And was borderline elite defensively even when not healthy.

Bryce Chance- solid player who had higher average and OBP than Mershon did in SEC play. And was actually a better player in SEC play than OOC play.

Amani Larry- another solid player who gave us two pretty solid years and chipped in 15 home runs for us over those two years.

That also doesn't include Dylan Cupp who also was hurt much of the year and got injured right when it appeared as if he was turning the corner at the plate.

That's our undrafted "trash"- which is a good way to describe most of your baseball takes.

[Todd4State]

ESPN's MLB draft analyst has 2025 Mississippi State Commitment Jacob Parker out of Purvis as the 40th ranked prospect (includes college and high school players) for next year's draft. I saw he won the high school home run derby at the MLB All Star game. His twin brother, Jojo, is also committed. Jacob is the corner outfielder power bat and JoJo is the slick fielding versatile middle infielder.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/40617490/2025-2026-mlb-draft-rankings-number-1-prospect-prediction

"Weak evaluator of talent"- MSU fans.

[Pinto]

"Weak evaluator of talent"- MSU fans.

The Parker boys are state fans and want to come here. Some kids are just like that. Plus Jacob is on the rise.

I do find it funny though that at the last PBR event in MS there were over 400 coaches/scouts including Tony V but no 🍋

[StateDawg44]

"Weak evaluator of talent"- MSU fans.

Every year we have committed players that are ranked very highly for the next years draft. Yet we never can seem to get them to campus.

So yeah I guess he "evaluated" those players but who gives a damn if we don't actually get them to campus.

Not saying Lemonis failed on these or anything because 95% of these kids were never coming to begin with. But let's not pretend like he went out and found some looked over player and found him because he saw something no one else saw.

[State82]

Every year we have committed players that are ranked very highly for the next years draft. Yet we never can seem to get them to campus.

So yeah I guess he "evaluated" those players but who gives a damn if we don't actually get them to campus.

Not saying Lemonis failed on these or anything because 95% of these kids were never coming to begin with. But let's not pretend like he went out and found some looked over player and found him because he saw something no one else saw.

But you absolutely have to go after those players. Always, because you never know how things will play out with the draft, negotiations with MLB teams, NIL, etc. And especially now that the baseball scholarships are going to 34/35 whatever it is. That gives a coach a lot to play with.

[Homedawg]

Every year we have committed players that are ranked very highly for the next years draft. Yet we never can seem to get them to campus.

So yeah I guess he "evaluated" those players but who gives a damn if we don't actually get them to campus.

Not saying Lemonis failed on these or anything because 95% of these kids were never coming to begin with. But let's not pretend like he went out and found some looked over player and found him because he saw something no one else saw.

WE get numerous guys ranked highly to campus. But can't get them all. Every school, who is recruiting the right guys lose some. Part of it.

[BrunswickDawg]

Every year we have committed players that are ranked very highly for the next years draft. Yet we never can seem to get them to campus.

So yeah I guess he "evaluated" those players but who gives a damn if we don't actually get them to campus.

Not saying Lemonis failed on these or anything because 95% of these kids were never coming to begin with. But let's not pretend like he went out and found some looked over player and found him because he saw something no one else saw.

This is just not true.
2019 - 4 Top 150 Players, Lost 1 to the draft
2020 - 6 Top 150, Lost 2
2021 - 6 Top 150, Lost 3
2022 - 5 Top 150, Lost 1
2023 - 5 Top 150, Lost 2
2024 - 4 Top 150, Nori has signed, I can't find if Cason has signed (which would be huge if he hasn't)

If Cason has signed, that still means we are getting 67% of of Top 150 rated signees to campus. That's pretty solid.

Or, it would have been considered very solid if Tennessee and LSU, and likely others, hadn't opened up huge checkbooks.
Tennessee had 9 Top 150 each of the past 2 seasons, and hardly any signed pro contracts.
LSU had 11, and same thing. The money has shifted in baseball and its likely going to hurt us.

[StateDawg44]

If Cason has signed, that still means we are getting 67% of of Top 150 rated signees to campus. That's pretty solid.

Or, it would have been considered very solid if Tennessee and LSU, and likely others, hadn't opened up huge checkbooks.
Tennessee had 9 Top 150 each of the past 2 seasons, and hardly any signed pro contracts.
LSU had 11, and same thing. The money has shifted in baseball and its likely going to hurt us.

So down to 25% now, eh? So the current top teams are more than doubling our top 150 commits.... PLUS getting them to campus.

[Todd4State]

So down to 25% now, eh? So the current top teams are more than doubling our top 150 commits.... PLUS getting them to campus.

What? We literally signed as many top 150 players as Tennessee and only 2 less than LSU the last two years.

They aren't getting that many more to campus than us either. Meaning we are right there in terms of overall talent. The two high school recruits we lost were a guy who was rated in the 50's and got drafted in the first round way above his ranking. The other got drafted in the 8th round and it took over a million to get him to sign when the slot was around 200-300k.

This year we gambled and lost. Which could have just as easily happened to Tennessee or LSU. Just like we gambled last year and got Cupp, Grant, Stevens, and Dotson to campus.

[StateDawg44]

What? We literally signed as many top 150 players as Tennessee and only 2 less than LSU the last two years.

They aren't getting that many more to campus than us either. Meaning we are right there in terms of overall talent. The two high school recruits we lost were a guy who was rated in the 50's and got drafted in the first round way above his ranking. The other got drafted in the 8th round and it took over a million to get him to sign when the slot was around 200-300k.

This year we gambled and lost. Which could have just as easily happened to Tennessee or LSU. Just like we gambled last year and got Cupp, Grant, Stevens, and Dotson to campus.

Just replying to Brunswick's numbers he threw out there.

"Tennessee had 9 Top 150 each of the past 2 seasons, and hardly any signed pro contracts.
LSU had 11, and same thing. The money has shifted in baseball and its likely going to hurt us."

[Coach34]

The money has shifted in baseball and its likely going to hurt us."

That is 100% true but fortunately where we are is still above most of NCAA teams. The top of the SEC will be tough to deal with- but no reason we cant remain a Top 20 program

[Todd4State]

Just replying to Brunswick's numbers he threw out there.

"Tennessee had 9 Top 150 each of the past 2 seasons, and hardly any signed pro contracts.
LSU had 11, and same thing. The money has shifted in baseball and it's likely going to hurt us."

I was too. We had 5 in 2023 and 4 in 2024 which equals 9 the last two years. The same as Tennessee.

[State82]

That is 100% true but fortunately where we are is still above most of NCAA teams. The top of the SEC will be tough to deal with- but no reason we cant remain a Top 20 program

Which is where we typically land on average if you really take into account the time period over the last 50 years, plus or minus.

[cheewgumm]

Now we have to fire Lemonis because he cant coach.

Who couldnt win with all this talent!?!??

I kid I kid