Campbell baseball is nuked

[Coach34]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There is no Campbell Camels. 30 players enter the portal with coaching change.</p>&mdash; John Jeanes (@Jjeanes24) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jjeanes24/status/1805227625519980882?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 24, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Good luck new guy

[Commercecomet24]

Wow! Thats crazy!

[PMDawg]

Thanks to all the brave fans and administrators who have driven the changes in the last decade for making something like this possible!

[Commercecomet24]

Thanks to all the brave fans and administrators who have driven the changes in the last decade for making something like this possible!

Pretty freaking sad what its become.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Do I like what college sports have become? Absolutely not. But I do t think anyone does, so I'll take the "devil's advocate" side of the debate:

If coaches are allowed to leave whenever they want, why should t players? Why should players have to stay at a school they only went to because they liked the HC if that HC leaves? Why would we hold 18-23 year olds to a higher standard of "honor your contract" than we do the actual adults that get paid per a multi year long contract?

Seems to me that either 1) coaches should be required to finish their contract before they can take another job, or 2) everyone should be allowed to do whatever is in their immediate interests, be it coaches or players leaving

[Coach34]

Well then if the school and education no longer matter- its just about the coach- why limit courses they can take to just one school? Why not let a player at State take a couple of online/streamed courses from Stanford? Let's just let them choose courses from top teachers around the country to fulfill their course requirements? The school/education doesnt matter at this point right?

[The Federalist Engineer]

Then Let's go get Grant Knipp

This dude hit 400 and 18 HRs in just 102 ABs!

He's a catcher for Campbell. But maybe he goes MLB draft. Already a RS-JR

[confucius say]

Do I like what college sports have become? Absolutely not. But I do t think anyone does, so I'll take the "devil's advocate" side of the debate:

If coaches are allowed to leave whenever they want, why should t players? Why should players have to stay at a school they only went to because they liked the HC if that HC leaves? Why would we hold 18-23 year olds to a higher standard of "honor your contract" than we do the actual adults that get paid per a multi year long contract?

Seems to me that either 1) coaches should be required to finish their contract before they can take another job, or 2) everyone should be allowed to do whatever is in their immediate interests, be it coaches or players leaving

Coaches can't leave whenever they want. They can only leave as allowed by their contract. Otherwise, they are bound by that contract to pay a monetary sum.
If players had to pay a monetary sum when they left, the school they are leaving could use that sum to go get new players.

[Cooterpoot]

There's going to have to be some type of reimbursement like a buyout to get this all evened out.

[Quaoarsking]

Well then if the school and education no longer matter- its just about the coach- why limit courses they can take to just one school? Why not let a player at State take a couple of online/streamed courses from Stanford? Let's just let them choose courses from top teachers around the country to fulfill their course requirements? The school/education doesnt matter at this point right?

Education's probably going to be moving in that direction over the next few decades.

[confucius say]

There's going to have to be some type of reimbursement like a buyout to get this all evened out.

I think most could get on board with that. Take the 50k marks owes us for leaving (which his new school pays) and use it to go get another back.

The other option, and more likely imo, is revenue sharing from TV money where there is a baseline pay for each position. Then players could contract with NIL over and above, and there should be a buyout in that if the player leaves before graduation.

[NWADAWG]

There's going to have to be some type of reimbursement like a buyout to get this all evened out.

I brought up buyout clauses a while back on the other board. I think it's the only way I see to claim back some little piece of sanity in this market.

It's a double equalizer. The buying school has to give up normal (or increased) NIL plus buyout so their funds get challenged more, and the "selling" school gets a little shopping money for the next man up.

[bulldogcountry1]

How many of those 30 are going to end up in a better situation?

[No BS Dawg]

How many of those 30 are going to end up in a better situation?

I would imagine at least a few end up at Ohio State. He probably hand picked a few. There are a few I would like to see in maroon and white. Some will end up in better situations, I hope.

[State82]

Dang. Glad I am not their AD today. Talk about a crappy Monday.

[KOdawg1]

They need to hit Jucos hard. Yeah you can fill some spots with the portal, but that's a massive overhaul. Get some juco guys and you can compete in whatever league they're in.

[99jc]

Well then if the school and education no longer matter- its just about the coach- why limit courses they can take to just one school? Why not let a player at State take a couple of online/streamed courses from Stanford? Let's just let them choose courses from top teachers around the country to fulfill their course requirements? The school/education doesnt matter at this point right?


it hasn't mattered the last 30 years....

[Extendedcab]

But it should matter is the point. Education is the reason they enroll, sport is extracurricular, a secondary reason or that is the way it was intended, and used to be, until greed set in.

So is college sports better off today? I don’t think anybody thinks that.

[Leroy Jenkins]

I just became a Campbell fan.

[Matt3467]

But it should matter is the point. Education is the reason they enroll, sport is extracurricular, a secondary reason or that is the way it was intended, and used to be, until greed set in.

So is college sports better off today? I don’t think anybody thinks that.

Education and room and board is so expensive and to get it all for free for being good at a sport all while continuing to play the game was an insanely good deal. The student athletes couldn't be content with that since people out of college with careers are making a living off their sport they feel like all the free stuff they're given isn't enough and now they need to be paid like professional athletes as well. It's a have your cake and eat it too situation.

My excitement for college sports has gone through the floor. It's just not there anymore like it was 5-10 years ago. We have Lebby recruiting like a mad man but even then the excitement isn't like it would've been even 5 years ago. These kids are mercenaries and go to the highest bidder now and there's no loyalty. Before someone says they were paid before I know that but it wasn't anywhere like it is today with kids making 6 and 7 figures just to play a collegiate sport.

[HoopsDawg]

Do I like what college sports have become? Absolutely not. But I do t think anyone does, so I'll take the "devil's advocate" side of the debate:

If coaches are allowed to leave whenever they want, why should t players? Why should players have to stay at a school they only went to because they liked the HC if that HC leaves? Why would we hold 18-23 year olds to a higher standard of "honor your contract" than we do the actual adults that get paid per a multi year long contract?

Seems to me that either 1) coaches should be required to finish their contract before they can take another job, or 2) everyone should be allowed to do whatever is in their immediate interests, be it coaches or players leaving

Because coaches and players are different

[SPMT]

Because coaches and players are different

That?s a poor argument. The landscape and universities did it to themselves.

I wouldn?t want my kid to go play for Vitello and then he leave immediately and he is stuck?.what kind logic can make that make sense???

[HoopsDawg]

That?s a poor argument. The landscape and universities did it to themselves.

I wouldn?t want my kid to go play for Vitello and then he leave immediately and he is stuck?.what kind logic can make that make sense???

Choose the university, not the coach.

[Quaoarsking]

Choose the university, not the coach.

Why isn't the coach one of the valid criteria in choosing the university?

[TStationDawg]

Choose the university, not the coach.

Come on man. This is 100% the wrong answer. My kid loves Mississippi State 100% and would choose it 99.99% of the time. Yet would not go there if Foxhall was still the pitching coach. The coach matters.

[SPMT]

Come on man. This is 100% the wrong answer. My kid loves Mississippi State 100% and would choose it 99.99% of the time. Yet would not go there if Foxhall was still the pitching coach. The coach matters.

Mic drop

[HoopsDawg]

Why isn't the coach one of the valid criteria in choosing the university?

It's a factor.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

I agree requiring buyouts on these NIL contracts would solve a lot of these issues. I bet a ton of boosters, coaches, and ADs have thought about it... but nobody wants to be the first school to try and make a kid sign a restrictive contract. Why would I sign a contract saying I owe you money if I want to leave if I can sign another contract that doesn't have that restriction?

Regarding education, very few players of the major sports -at least at the SEC level- are here for education. They're trying to go pro. They've practiced for dozens of hours a week since they were 5 years old, have been on travel teams their whole life, have had family coaches and friends discuss the potential of going pro, they pick joke degrees with joke courses (see UNCs paper classes) and if they can they ditch school to go pro before they graduate.

Regarding money, yes they were "paid" room, board, and tuition. Like 35k. They said "why should I be happy making 35k when me value to boosters is in the hundreds of thousands?" And so they pursued NIL. Would you be happy making 35k if you could make 250k? No? Then why should the players be content with a scholarship and no NIL?

[Commercecomet24]

They need to hit Jucos hard. Yeah you can fill some spots with the portal, but that's a massive overhaul. Get some juco guys and you can compete in whatever league they're in.

I think i've still got some eligibility left. Reckon they could use a 59 year old middle infielder with bad knees and and shoulders and mediocre vision, lol? Wonder how much nil i could get?

[DownwardDawg]

I think i've still got some eligibility left. Reckon they could use a 59 year old middle infielder with bad knees and and shoulders and mediocre vision, lol? Wonder how much nil i could get?

Well, we always talk about having players step up as leaders, so..........
I'm saying there's a chance!!!!!

[Commercecomet24]

Well, we always talk about having players step up as leaders, so..........
I'm saying there's a chance!!!!!

I'm ready man! My love for playing the game has never stopped. They'd get 110% out of me every single day, of course that 110% would net them exactly 0 wins at this point of my life, but hey they'd get my all, lol! Oh one other thing I'd get on that mound every single day, pitch counts aint nothing to me, I used to throw about 500-600 pitches every single day to my kids,lol. 100 pitches a game for these guys and they have to come out, ha, that aint nothing, lol!

[99jc]

I'm ready man! My love for playing the game has never stopped. They'd get 110% out of me every single day, of course that 110% would net them exactly 0 wins at this point of my life, but hey they'd get my all, lol! Oh one other thing I'd get on that mound every single day, pitch counts aint nothing to me, I used to throw about 500-600 pitches every single day to my kids,lol. 100 pitches a game for these guys and they have to come out, ha, that aint nothing, lol!

i pitched 2 complete games in one day during the state playoffs. 1 in the morning and 1 at night! players today are mostly puss es!

[Commercecomet24]

i pitched 2 complete games in one day during the state playoffs. 1 in the morning and 1 at night! players today are mostly puss es!

You probably played around the same time i did and you know that was pretty common in our day. Of course we spent all day working outside or playing ball all the time. Those were great times, no video games and we lived outside. I know i'm old, lol.

[TStationDawg]

You probably played around the same time i did and you know that was pretty common in our day. Of course we spent all day working outside or playing ball all the time. Those were great times, no video games and we lived outside. I know i'm old, lol.

Your older than I am CC, but even I remember those days and those WERE the days. Woke up and headed outside to play baseball, whiffle ball, football or basketball (and some work) all day, everyday..... all the hydration we needed was right on the side of every house out of a green water hose....and it. was. awesome. Heck I honestly don't even remember eating lunch. I just knew to have my butt back in the house when the sun went down. LOL

[Commercecomet24]

Your older than I am CC, but even I remember those days and those WERE the days. Woke up and headed outside to play baseball, whiffle ball, football or basketball (and some work) all day, everyday..... all the hydration we needed was right on the side of every house out of a green water hose....and it. was. awesome. Heck I honestly don't even remember eating lunch. I just knew to have my butt back in the house when the sun went down. LOL

Great stuff! So many of us grew up the same way and it was awesome! So many great memories!

[QuadrupleOption]

Well then if the school and education no longer matter- its just about the coach- why limit courses they can take to just one school? Why not let a player at State take a couple of online/streamed courses from Stanford? Let's just let them choose courses from top teachers around the country to fulfill their course requirements? The school/education doesnt matter at this point right?

Because academics aren't sports and have actual Federal guidelines in place to govern them, and degree-granting institutions worth a sh!t aren't going to let you Franken-course your way into a degree without putting in the work at that institution.

Having said that, you are allowed to transfer a certain number of hours into your college of choice but it is limited.

This is why academics are actually important and sports are play-pretend important.

[NWADAWG]

You probably played around the same time i did and you know that was pretty common in our day. Of course we spent all day working outside or playing ball all the time. Those were great times, no video games and we lived outside. I know i'm old, lol.

The city fields were directly across the street from my house. Kids from all over rode their bikes to my neighborhood and we would play baseball all day and then clean up, put on our uniforms, and go play league games. Loved it.

[RocketDawg]

Do I like what college sports have become? Absolutely not. But I do t think anyone does, so I'll take the "devil's advocate" side of the debate:

If coaches are allowed to leave whenever they want, why should t players? Why should players have to stay at a school they only went to because they liked the HC if that HC leaves? Why would we hold 18-23 year olds to a higher standard of "honor your contract" than we do the actual adults that get paid per a multi year long contract?

Seems to me that either 1) coaches should be required to finish their contract before they can take another job, or 2) everyone should be allowed to do whatever is in their immediate interests, be it coaches or players leaving

Because they're supposed to be students who play sports. It's not their job.

[SPMT]

Because they're supposed to be students who play sports. It's not their job.

Gonna have to pull your head out of the sand and put yourself in the kids shoes.

Can be Dabo or get it in gear.

[Commercecomet24]

The city fields were directly across the street from my house. Kids from all over rode their bikes to my neighborhood and we would play baseball all day and then clean up, put on our uniforms, and go play league games. Loved it.

Aw man you were lucky! We made a field out in our pasture and everyone around our country neighborhood came to to play(after enough work was done that is, lol) and then went to the park for our league games and go hang out! These kids today really don't know what they're missing. I will say though my 2 sons were park rats and almost grew up the same way I did!