He aint it

[Cowbell]

We didnt have a closer and that cost us a Host spot and a Regional. Whose fault is that? Parker

Parker failed to identify a guy he could turn into the Closer. We had that guy in Dohm- but decided to make him a SP.

Parker cost us a Host spot and a Regional

Maybe the worse take I have seen on here in a while. The pitching didn't cost us crap to begin with - the offense did.m. Much less a PC who had no time to recruit and drastically improved the entire group with what he was given.

[MoreCowbell]

Recruiting isn't really a weakness of Lemonis, but then again recruiting is just NIL/$$ these days, except for a few elite prospects. However he's substandard in many other aspects of the job.

It actually is a weakness

Baseball recruiting class rankings-
National-SEC
2024- 21-13
2023- 12-8
2022- 8-5
2021- 26-11
2020- 17-12
2019- 7-5
2018- 7-4
2017- 21-9 Allen, Westburg, Foscue, Rowdy class
2016- 18-9
2015- 2-2

[Coach34]

There wasn't a closer on this roster after injuries and you can't make silk from a sows ear. We saw Hardin and Davis improve. We saw Loo improve. We saw Stephen improve. We saw Auger improve. We totally lacked quality depth. Two dead weight guys are gone. I suspect another and possibly two more will go too.

Dohm was on the roster- he starts the year as Closer? He is much less likely to have his forearm injury and we win more games.
He did a good job with Hardin and Davis. But what about Forsythe and Holcombe?
Purdue was a year older. Jerk focused on pitching only for a 2nd year now in a row- of course he was better. Black pitched 11 damn innings this year- is that great?
Auger had to build back strength after injury- same with Pico de Gallo. Once they got stronger after injury- they pitched well.
Luke Dotson was the 157th rated Freshman in the country- 8.25 ERA in 12 innings.
What we get out of Siary this year?

Parker did a very good job. BUTTTTTTTT- he rode the draft talent hard this year

[Coach34]

Maybe the worse take I have seen on here in a while. The pitching didn't cost us crap to begin with - the offense did.m. Much less a PC who had no time to recruit and drastically improved the entire group with what he was given.

If you keep losing leads in the 8th and 9th- yes, pitching is costing you games

[Cooterpoot]

It actually is a weakness

Baseball recruiting class rankings-
National-SEC
2024- 21-13
2023- 12-8
2022- 8-5
2021- 26-11
2020- 17-12
2019- 7-5
2018- 7-4
2017- 21-9 Allen, Westburg, Foscue, Rowdy class
2016- 18-9
2015- 2-2

Baseball recruiting rankings are damn near fraudulent. It's about getting the draft kids to school and it doesn't account for that. Plus, travel coaches dictate a lot of those rankings.

[Cooterpoot]

Dohm was on the roster- he starts the year as Closer? He is much less likely to have his forearm injury and we win more games.
He did a good job with Hardin and Davis. But what about Forsythe and Holcombe?
Purdue was a year older. Jerk focused on pitching only for a 2nd year now in a row- of course he was better. Black pitched 11 damn innings this year- is that great?
Auger had to build back strength after injury- same with Pico de Gallo. Once they got stronger after injury- they pitched well.
Luke Dotson was the 157th rated Freshman in the country- 8.25 ERA in 12 innings.
What we get out of Siary this year?

Parker did a very good job. BUTTTTTTTT- he rode the draft talent hard this year

Dogm looked solid as a starter and we only had two starters. After his scare, he wasn't throwing much again because of draft position. No point chancing it. Hell, Stephen wasn't good at Purdue either. Firsytye and Holcombe were never good. And I've said that from day one they hit campus. I hoped Holcombe could overcome his problem but he can't. I mean, the kid cried on the damn mound in Juco after getting lit up. Black was an unknown and not a crazy talent. He should be better next year. Dotson is a FR who had an injury to start the season. Siary isn't an SEC pitcher and I've said that before as well. He's barely a decent midweek guy. You're know little about baseball. Stick to football, you're way ahead of the game there.

[MoreCowbell]

Baseball recruiting rankings are damn near fraudulent. It's about getting the draft kids to school and it doesn't account for that. Plus, travel coaches dictate a lot of those rankings.

They have lined up pretty damn good over the last 10 years so not too fraudulent

[Cooterpoot]

They have lined up pretty damn good over the last 10 years so not too fraudulent

Only when those draft guys show up. With NIL, that should get more kids to school, if schools use it for baseball. Look, I've gotten kids rated before. I could make a call about a kid and they'd be in the rankings, so I'm speaking from a position of experience here. They'd have articles about them next day on certain sites and I don't mean JeansPage type sites.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Whatttttttt?

Many of you are heaping praise on him for what he did with our guys headed for the draft- can we not talk about where he failed? The guy did a very good job this season- but he wasnt perfect.

Didnt develop a reliable Closer
Struggled to develop some of the other pitchers on our staff
Pitched CamOpener wayyy more than he should have
Put Freshman Stevens is pressure situations he wasnt ready for

and I could add some more but no need. Lemon is returning as is Parker. Let's get busy getting this roster ready for 2025

Pitching was the strength of the team, and the biggest year to year 180 I've ever seen at State. Was Parker perfect? Of course not!

But if we're going to talk about the areas where Parker "failed", then how much more should we be talking about where Lemo or Jake G or Cheese failed? Their areas of responsibility were weaker than Parkers!

And as for why Parker didn't find a closer, did you ever think it had to do with Lemo not having recruited one? YOu're acting like Parker built the staff vs worked with what he inherited.

[State82]

We didnt have a closer and that cost us a Host spot and a Regional. Whose fault is that? Parker

Parker failed to identify a guy he could turn into the Closer. We had that guy in Dohm- but decided to make him a SP.

Parker cost us a Host spot and a Regional
Damn. Just damn.

[Cooterpoot]

Just to clarify my position on Lemonis, I said before the season we would be better than most people thought. But I had heard Parker was really changing things. I'm not for firing Lemonis because we missed that opportunity last year. I just think he's average until he wins big with a team of his guys. I hope he kills it in the portal because I want to win.

[Coach34]

Dogm looked solid as a starter and we only had two starters. After his scare, he wasn't throwing much again because of draft position. No point chancing it. Hell, Stephen wasn't good at Purdue either. Firsytye and Holcombe were never good. And I've said that from day one they hit campus. I hoped Holcombe could overcome his problem but he can't. I mean, the kid cried on the damn mound in Juco after getting lit up. Black was an unknown and not a crazy talent. He should be better next year. Dotson is a FR who had an injury to start the season. Siary isn't an SEC pitcher and I've said that before as well. He's barely a decent midweek guy. You're know little about baseball. Stick to football, you're way ahead of the game there.

Baseball's my main sport and where I won my state COY skin. I'm just fine in this area.

I'm just pointing out that Parker was pretty good but far from perfect. I cant even describe how bad Foxy was. Parker will more than likely do a good job again with signees/portal guys we get. I'm hoping Grant will be healthy and ready to unlock his talent along with the kid from Bama who looks ready to log some quality innings as a Freshman. Throw in a healthy Loftin and the staff could be really good again next year

[basedog]

34, you blaming Parker for not hosting and losing in the regionals, but yet you say he did a very good job. Parker wasn’t perfect and made mistakes but he wasn’t the problem, fact is far from it. One day I will share some info with you. You should be on the offensive coaches ass. If Parker is the problem then Lemonis needs to step and fire him. That is the responsibility of a HC, if not his job will be on the line.

[basedog]

Baseball's my main sport and where I won my state COY skin. I'm just fine in this area.

I'm just pointing out that Parker was pretty good but far from perfect. I cant even describe how bad Foxy was. Parker will more than likely do a good job again with signees/portal guys we get. I'm hoping Grant will be healthy and ready to unlock his talent along with the kid from Bama who looks ready to log some quality innings as a Freshman. Throw in a healthy Loftin and the staff could be really good again next year

Hmmm, Loftin.

[smootness]

Saying Parker cost us a host spot and a regional is like saying Jesus cost Lazarus his health because while he did raise him from the dead, he did not make him immortal.

Parker probably gave us an extra 20 wins with the offense of this year. So sure, blame him for not hosting or not winning the regional. But if so, credit him with the regional final and fire Lemonis because he gave us nothing.

[CaptainObvious]

Yeah.... Parker is to blame. Geautreau is to blame. Chesebrough is to blame. The Diamond Girls are to blame. The baseball managers are to blame. The trainers are to blame. Jim Ellis is to blame. Charlie and Bart are to blame. The Pompous Left Field Loungers are to blame. The message board fans are to blame. The players are to blame. The NIL is to blame. The portal is to blame. The NCAA is to blame. Congress is to blame. The Supreme Court is to blame. TRUMP is to blame. The Dead Injuns are to blame.

But the one guy where the Buck is supposed to Stop! Nope! He did everything anyone could expect with all of these players that will be playing in the MLB in 2-3 years.

[maroonmania]

34, you blaming Parker for not hosting and losing in the regionals, but yet you say he did a very good job. Parker wasn’t perfect and made mistakes but he wasn’t the problem, fact is far from it. One day I will share some info with you. You should be on the offensive coaches ass. If Parker is the problem then Lemonis needs to step and fire him. That is the responsibility of a HC, if not his job will be on the line.

Well, Parker and the pitching will be the least of our problems next season. Our offense is going to have all kinds of issues. If Mershon doesn't stay then we don't have even one proven SEC hitter returning next year. This might be the weakest returning offense I can ever remember in the last several decades of MSU baseball. We really need at least 3 stud hitters out of the portal along with the hope that a few of this years freshmen take a big jump for next year. Otherwise instead of having a few holes in the lineup, the lineup will be ALL holes.

[Goldendawg]

Well, Parker and the pitching will be the least of our problems next season. Our offense is going to have all kinds of issues. If Mershon doesn't stay then we don't have even one proven SEC hitter returning next year. This might be the weakest returning offense I can ever remember in the last several decades of MSU baseball. We really need at least 3 stud hitters out of the portal along with the hope that a few of this years freshmen take a big jump for next year. Otherwise instead of having a few holes in the lineup, the lineup will be ALL holes.

Chance ending up having a solid year both on the field and in the classroom. He will be back. The rest of your analysis on the offense is spot on without a strong portal class and Freshmen stepping up big. Also need to hire Ricky Henderson as baserunning analyist ASAP, along with Will Clark or Raffy Palmerio as hitting instructors.

[Coach34]

34, you blaming Parker for not hosting and losing in the regionals, but yet you say he did a very good job. Parker wasn’t perfect and made mistakes but he wasn’t the problem, fact is far from it. One day I will share some info with you. You should be on the offensive coaches ass. If Parker is the problem then Lemonis needs to step and fire him. That is the responsibility of a HC, if not his job will be on the line.

100% agree we got to get better offensively.

I’m just saying- if you’re losing a lot of games when you lead in the 8th and 9th? That’s on the pitching

[basedog]

100% agree we got to get better offensively.

I’m just saying- if you’re losing a lot of games when you lead in the 8th and 9th? That’s on the pitching

Yes, we need to get some pictures from the portal. Parker can only do so much with what we had on the roster. Two really good staters, Davis was pretty good overall, Hardin seemed to have improved but still inconsistent. Auger had some decent outings but wasn't so consistent. I didn't understand how we used or didn't develop Stevens, same with Black. It will be interesting to see who "Parker" wants to bring in and get moving forward. Don't think any of those pitchers he recruiting last year. Btw, errors in the regional hurt us a lot. Also I think Parker held the pitchers to more accountability, work hard and show up for practice. Lemonis is a little to laid back with the clubhouse, I do think it was better this past season. A HC is only as good as his assistants, we shall see moving forward.

[Santiago]

100% agree we got to get better offensively.

I?m just saying- if you?re losing a lot of games when you lead in the 8th and 9th? That?s on the pitching

not if those games are 2 or 3 run games for 8 innings, where the pitching staff is the only reason you are even hanging in by the ninth.
That is like praising the pitching staff for saving your a$$ for 8 innings to keep it close, then blame them in the 9th, when the offense was pathetic.

St Johns, we struggled on first night. Had our offense scored some runs, then Parker has more luxury on who is the reliever.
Virginia the next night - our offense could not hit against a team with less than SEC ish pitching staff.
But yeah, Parker cost us.

And for me my concern on Lemonis is that is what he built 3 years after a NC. No more CEO crap, it is his team, his position players.

[Thick]

We had Schloss hired until cohen got into a dick measuring contest

At worst we hire Justin Haire. I?m confident Haire at minimum could get the results Lemonis is getting

So you would fire the coach, and hire someone that ?would at least do what Lemonis has???

[Hot Rock]

You fire him after a Regional Final and your choices will be the coach from Miss Delta CC, Sewanee, or Louisiana College

Yep C34 is right, you will not get anyone and you will be bad for the next several years. Lemonis earned another year, deal with it.

[EdwardDrayton]

Yep C34 is right, you will not get anyone and you will be bad for the next several years. Lemonis earned another year, deal with it.

Lemo is going to get another year but it's not because he earned it.

[MoreCowbell]

Maybe a new 1-9 is not a bad thing. Offense could not get much worse than it was

[Todd4State]

Lemo is going to get another year but it's not because he earned it.

WTF? This is what I'm talking about.

[Saltydog]

Maybe a new 1-9 is not a bad thing. Offense could not get much worse than it was

Yeah it can get worse and I expect it too.

[Coach34]

Lemo is going to get another year but it's not because he earned it.

Yeah makes no sense. How would he get another year if he didn’t earn it?

[Hot Rock]

Lemo is going to get another year but it's not because he earned it.

VA is a damn good team, especially at home and State had the chance to beat them up there and got dang close. They almost doubled thier SEC win total. How in the flying 17 do you think happened? Pitching and defense were vastly improved when that was our major issue last year or so.

You fire that guy now, then you are a fool. You gave him a chance to get better, he not only did that, he got way better. Problems still exist? Damn right, but he earned another year. Period.

[Cooterpoot]

I think Lemonis and crew know they need to be better after coming out of a couple rough years. They just need to get it done. I'm not going to worry about it til next season. It's football season now.

[StateDawg44]

I think Lemonis and crew know they need to be better after coming out of a couple rough years. They just need to get it done. I'm not going to worry about it til next season. It's football season now.

This is where I'm at. All we can do is sit back and watch how he does in the portal at this point and hope he attempts to do something to drastically change our offensive approach.

I hope he can disprove my opinion of him for the betterment of the program. But, I fully expect more letdowns next year than we had this year.

He has another chance to try and prove the haters wrong though.

[EdwardDrayton]

Some folks have a professional interest in steadfastly supporting those currently in the program. I get that. Just may not make them the most objective about the situation. At least not objective publicly.

[MrCoachKlein]

So I don't know where you live so this may not apply to you, but Mississippians have an inflated view of Mississippi. They don't understand why everyone doesn't want to live there. However, population numbers suggest that not many people want to live there and more people are moving out than moving in. And I lived in Mississippi for 27 years and it's a nice place to live. However, I live in Dallas now and the only place I'd leave Dallas for that's in Mississippi MIGHT, and it's a big might, be Madison.

I think coaches want to be where the athletes are. And MS has a few good athletes, but most are going to be in the metro areas. Atlanta, DFW, Charlotte, etc. You want to be around those areas. Starkville is 8 hrs from Dallas, 5 hours from Atlanta, and really far away from Charlotte.

Lived in Madison for a while. I travel all over the country to mostly well to do cities/suburbs for work, and I'd say that's one of the nicest suburbs (towns?) I've seen. In North MS now, and my only complaint is that my hometown of 6k is too many people for me. I don't think I have an inflated view of MS. There are people who want nothing to do with city life at all. ~61% of the population wants nothing to do with big cities.

"Currently, only about 4% of cities in the nation had a population of 50,000 or more in 2019, yet nearly 39% of the U.S. population ? 127.8 million people ? lived in those cities."

~37% don't even live in an 'incorporated' area.

You have a good point on where the athletes are and of course there are more in bigger cities just because there are more people. We're a small drive from a lot of big cities you mentioned a few and even left out the closest ones in New Orleans, Memphis, Mobile area and maybe Jackson (not sure if that would qualify).

[maroonmania]

This is where I'm at. All we can do is sit back and watch how he does in the portal at this point and hope he attempts to do something to drastically change our offensive approach.

I hope he can disprove my opinion of him for the betterment of the program. But, I fully expect more letdowns next year than we had this year.

He has another chance to try and prove the haters wrong though.

If Lemonis makes the NCAA tourney next season I will be a believer in him again. He certainly has a major uphill battle to put together a high quality team for the 2025 season.

[BHildreth3]

Question for those that know. Is this really about coaching or just busting your ass and recruiting the best players out there? It is relentless effort and I do not think Lemon likes to recruit like Tony T does. It is players, not the coaches, esp on offense.

[Randolph Dupree]

Question for those that know. Is this really about coaching or just busting your ass and recruiting the best players out there? It is relentless effort and I do not think Lemon likes to recruit like Tony T does. It is players, not the coaches, esp on offense.

It's all of the above. SEC talent should be top notch but you still have to develop and coach. I think a lot of our problem now is we aren't developing like we have before. Tony V is getting studs and getting them even better.

[Randolph Dupree]

For those tying Lemoni's fate to making a regional this year, making a regional next year; that's not the end all be all. Sure, it's something you can use to measure success BUT what the AD has to be looking at is are we headed in the right direction and that's where it gets fuzzy. The way I feel about it is, if Selmon has someone he likes, we should pull the plug today. Right now Lemonis is our Bianco. Can't quite get it done but does just enough to keep from getting canned. Recruits well on paper but doesn't coach kids up. Won a natty but kind of lucked into it (note Bianco just got straight lucky. Lemonis got lucky because he had a ton of talent and player leadership).

we all know we want UM to hold onto Bianco for as long as they can. Why? Because he sucks.

FWIW, I don't think anything happens this year unless Lemonis moves on on his own, and it will be great if Lemonis comes back next year and really gets it going, but be honest with yourself; what's your confidence level in Lemonis getting us back to Omaha in the next 24 months?

[maroonmania]

It's all of the above. SEC talent should be top notch but you still have to develop and coach. I think a lot of our problem now is we aren't developing like we have before. Tony V is getting studs and getting them even better.

Yep, and they just said TN is spending $100 million on stadium renovations. Tony V is not going anywhere.

[Santiago]

Lived in Madison for a while. I travel all over the country to mostly well to do cities/suburbs for work, and I'd say that's one of the nicest suburbs (towns?) I've seen. In North MS now, and my only complaint is that my hometown of 6k is too many people for me. I don't think I have an inflated view of MS. There are people who want nothing to do with city life at all. ~61% of the population wants nothing to do with big cities.

"Currently, only about 4% of cities in the nation had a population of 50,000 or more in 2019, yet nearly 39% of the U.S. population ? 127.8 million people ? lived in those cities."

~37% don't even live in an 'incorporated' area.

You have a good point on where the athletes are and of course there are more in bigger cities just because there are more people. We're a small drive from a lot of big cities you mentioned a few and even left out the closest ones in New Orleans, Memphis, Mobile area and maybe Jackson (not sure if that would qualify).

agree, and another thing to add, is baseball players at MSU are known on campus and in town. They get their due here. Not so much in the other SEC or ACC larger city areas.

[Todd4State]

For those tying Lemoni's fate to making a regional this year, making a regional next year; that's not the end all be all. Sure, it's something you can use to measure success BUT what the AD has to be looking at is are we headed in the right direction and that's where it gets fuzzy. The way I feel about it is, if Selmon has someone he likes, we should pull the plug today. Right now Lemonis is our Bianco. Can't quite get it done but does just enough to keep from getting canned. Recruits well on paper but doesn't coach kids up. Won a natty but kind of lucked into it (note Bianco just got straight lucky. Lemonis got lucky because he had a ton of talent and player leadership).

we all know we want UM to hold onto Bianco for as long as they can. Why? Because he sucks.

FWIW, I don't think anything happens this year unless Lemonis moves on on his own, and it will be great if Lemonis comes back next year and really gets it going, but be honest with yourself; what's your confidence level in Lemonis getting us back to Omaha in the next 24 months?

I think there is a decent chance he can get is back to Omaha. We almost hosted this year and I think we'll be OK with the portal this cycle. Had we hosted this year I think we're probably playing in a SR.

Honestly- and no one wants to hear this- we could be very good by 2026.

And I also know no one wants to hear this but I don't think he is completely oblivious to the issues with our hitting. He showed that he is willing to make a change with the pitching coach and I don't think he considers Gautreau a sacred cow to the point where he is completely above reproach.

[maroonmania]

I think there is a decent chance he can get is back to Omaha. We almost hosted this year and I think we'll be OK with the portal this cycle. Had we hosted this year I think we're probably playing in a SR.

Honestly- and no one wants to hear this- we could be very good by 2026.

And I also know no one wants to hear this but I don't think he is completely oblivious to the issues with our hitting. He showed that he is willing to make a change with the pitching coach and I don't think he considers Gautreau a sacred cow to the point where he is completely above reproach.

Yep, 2025 is a survival year for Lemonis and staff, We need to at least make a regional. Next year is obviously a rebuild year but we sure don't need to go 3 out of 4 years not making post-season.

[Quaoarsking]

Thanks to the portal, we're probably going to "make a Regional" almost every year going forward, no matter who our coach is. The question is whether we'll usually overachieve or usually underachieve, both in the regular season and the postseason, and how much underachievement we're willing to tolerate.

[MoreCowbell]

Lemonis has proven he can be a great manager when he has talent at his disposal. All his attention needs to be put towards acquiring talent because so far he has not shown that.

[Coach34]

Yep, and they just said TN is spending $100 million on stadium renovations. Tony V is not going anywhere.

Saw someone say the other day the only job they think could pull him away was the UPig job

[Santiago]

Is Lemonis in Starkville this weekend or no?

[StateDawg44]

we could be very good by 2026.



Lolz. The Lemonis effect.

Holding on to hope that we are good in 2 years.

[Todd4State]

Saw someone say the other day the only job they think could pull him away was the UPig job

I've heard he wound be interested in Texas.

[Todd4State]

Lolz. The Lemonis effect.

Holding on to hope that we are good in 2 years.

Who said we won't be good next year?

[Coach34]

Who said we won't be good next year?

The same crowd that said we would suck this year and hoping they are right next year. Staying with the same stance in hopes of being right for once

[Cooterpoot]

I doubt that Lemonis wins big here again (big spoiler I know). He can make regionals but I don't expect a lot beyond that. With schools cutting back on these non-revenue sports, he can probably keep his job doing that now. When baseball moves to full scholarship /NIL rosters in the future (it's coming), I think a lot of things will change at that point.

[Todd4State]

I doubt that Lemonis wins big here again (big spoiler I know). He can make regionals but I don't expect a lot beyond that. With schools cutting back on these non-revenue sports, he can probably keep his job doing that now. When baseball moves to full scholarship /NIL rosters in the future (it's coming), I think a lot of things will change at that point.

I think it depends on what just making regionals entails.

If he goes 13-17 and makes a regional like South Carolina this year I could see him getting fired. If we go 17-13 again- probably not.

I think there will be pressure to at least host and or make a SR in 2025. Obviously we were close to doing that this year. I imagine we will treat our OOC schedule much differently next year and we'll actually have more focus on winning them rather than treating them like exhibitions.

[Ranchdawg]

I know. I’m beating a dead horse. This has been discussed to death. I’m not advocating firing Lemonis. But let’s just look at the way his team plays. First and foremost how many players have been left in scoring position in last three years. How many times have we had the bases loaded with zero outs and not score one damn run. How many wild pitches or pass balls did we have this year. How many base running screw ups did we have this year. How many games did we lose in the later innings because our bullpen was pitiful. How many batters have raised their batting average in season. How many players in year two three have dramatically improved from year one. How many out of conference games did we lose. Lose to Austin P. twice and South Alabama once is un excusable. Yes I’m very aware other teams have lost occ games it happens yada yada.

With all the above I don’t see our program heading the right direction. Just from a pure fan looking at the whole body of work we look awful. We don’t look like a very well coached team period. We didn’t build the M over S baseball program to be a national know program to have it look half ass. And we damn sure didn’t build the New Dude, the envy of every of every college program, to sit empty year after year in June.

[Cooterpoot]

I think it depends on what just making regionals entails.

If he goes 13-17 and makes a regional like South Carolina this year I could see him getting fired. If we go 17-13 again- probably not.

I think there will be pressure to at least host and or make a SR in 2025. Obviously we were close to doing that this year. I imagine we will treat our OOC schedule much differently next year and we'll actually have more focus on winning them rather than treating them like exhibitions.

Maybe. And if Parker can load up our staff, those midweek games won't be so bad. We just had so many injured and so little available talent this year. We needed a bat off the bench and had none too. We can't keep up this thin talent situation. HS recruiting needs to be good and developed.
I hope Gotro is feeling the heat. If you watch all these regional games you don't see teams doing what we do- stand on top of the plate trying to pull every ball. It's terrible coaching. He's got to get away from that and back to more of what we used to do

[BrunswickDawg]

I know. I’m beating a dead horse. This has been discussed to death. I’m not advocating firing Lemonis. But let’s just look at the way his team plays. First and foremost how many players have been left in scoring position in last three years. How many times have we had the bases loaded with zero outs and not score one damn run. How many wild pitches or pass balls did we have this year. How many base running screw ups did we have this year. How many games did we lose in the later innings because our bullpen was pitiful. How many batters have raised their batting average in season. How many players in year two three have dramatically improved from year one. How many out of conference games did we lose. Lose to Austin P. twice and South Alabama once is un excusable. Yes I’m very aware other teams have lost occ games it happens yada yada.

With all the above I don’t see our program heading the right direction. Just from a pure fan looking at the whole body of work we look awful. We don’t look like a very well coached team period. We didn’t build the M over S baseball program to be a national know program to have it look half ass. And we damn sure didn’t build the New Dude, the envy of every of every college program, to sit empty year after year in June.

Now this is where you have to separate impressions and frustrations from specific situations and look at stats.

In SEC play -
With runners on base we hit .313 - 3rd best
With runners in scoring position .317 - 3rd best
Runners on 3rd with less than 2 out .565 - 7th
When needing to advance runners, we hit .474 - 4th best.
We had 78 RBIs with 2 outs - 4th.

Overall not anywhere near as bad as people make us out to be.

We did suck with the bases loaded - .250, which was 8th.

Yeah, we failed in some game winning situations - we also succeded in some as well.

[StateDawg44]

The same crowd that said we would suck this year and hoping they are right next year. Staying with the same stance in hopes of being right for once

Dude you are such a loser. Clearly all you care about is trying to troll and serving up a hot take hoping to be ?right?.

I don?t think there is anyone hoping that we suck next year for the sake of turning over the coaching staff. You keep implying that because it fits your attempts of trolling.

I do know a large number are done with the frustrating product Lemonis has fielded the past 3 years and would love nothing more than to be wrong but he?s done the absolute bare minimum to save his own ass. We still want to win but shit coaching won?t get us there. He gets another chance next year but he still has so much to do to get us back to be an actual threat.

Saying I have zero faith that he can do it isn?t even remotely the same thing as saying ?I hope we suck?. But keep making stuff up to try to make yourself seem intelligent.

[Ranchdawg]

Now this is where you have to separate impressions and frustrations from specific situations and look at stats.

In SEC play -
With runners on base we hit .313 - 3rd best
With runners in scoring position .317 - 3rd best
Runners on 3rd with less than 2 out .565 - 7th
When needing to advance runners, we hit .474 - 4th best.
We had 78 RBIs with 2 outs - 4th.

Overall not anywhere near as bad as people make us out to be.

We did suck with the bases loaded - .250, which was 8th.

Yeah, we failed in some game winning situations - we also succeded in some as well.

Ok yes the stats don’t lie. But as I said as from a fan standpoint this program doesn’t look very good overall. I watched or was at every game this year and only a handful of games did I walk away thinking that this is a well coached team. And I’ve watched State baseball since 1978 and watched a lot of other college baseball.

[Coach34]

I don?t think there is anyone hoping that we suck next year for the sake of turning over the coaching staff. You keep implying that because it fits your attempts of trolling.

I do know a large number are done with the frustrating product Lemonis has fielded the past 3 years and would love nothing more than to be wrong but he?s done the absolute bare minimum to save his own ass. We still want to win but shit coaching won?t get us there. He gets another chance next year but he still has so much to do to get us back to be an actual threat.

Saying I have zero faith that he can do it isn?t even remotely the same thing as saying ?I hope we suck?. But keep making stuff up to try to make yourself seem intelligent.

Sure there is. You can see it in their posts and the things the say. Literally in the post above you Ranchdawg got absolutely smashed with his takes on the program. Brunswick showed him that his takes were completely wrong. As are most of yours. We finished in the Top 5 of the SEC and the regular season ranked in the Top 15. If we have fans "done with Lemon" after that? ****'em. They are making it more about them than the team.

[StateDawg44]

Sure there is. You can see it in their posts and the things the say. Literally in the post above you Ranchdawg got absolutely smashed with his takes on the program. Brunswick showed him that his takes were completely wrong. As are most of yours. We finished in the Top 5 of the SEC and the regular season ranked in the Top 15. If we have fans "done with Lemon" after that? ****'em. They are making it more about them than the team.

There?s not a post on this page even possibly insinuating that they hope we suck next year. Keep on making shit up for your narrative though.

Very laughable you of all people saying someone is making it about themself instead of the team.

[SPMT]

Now this is where you have to separate impressions and frustrations from specific situations and look at stats.

In SEC play -
With runners on base we hit .313 - 3rd best
With runners in scoring position .317 - 3rd best
Runners on 3rd with less than 2 out .565 - 7th
When needing to advance runners, we hit .474 - 4th best.
We had 78 RBIs with 2 outs - 4th.

Overall not anywhere near as bad as people make us out to be.

We did suck with the bases loaded - .250, which was 8th.

Yeah, we failed in some game winning situations - we also succeded in some as well.

Wow

[Todd4State]

Maybe. And if Parker can load up our staff, those midweek games won't be so bad. We just had so many injured and so little available talent this year. We needed a bat off the bench and had none too. We can't keep up this thin talent situation. HS recruiting needs to be good and developed.
I hope Gotro is feeling the heat. If you watch all these regional games you don't see teams doing what we do- stand on top of the plate trying to pull every ball. It's terrible coaching. He's got to get away from that and back to more of what we used to do

I agree about the approach needing to be changed. I think after the NC we decided to go to a pro style approach for both pitching and hitting and it simply doesn't work in college. I'm not even really certain it works in the pros as well as conventional baseball does honestly.

It seems like the hitters we're going after have a much different profile than what we have been recruiting. I hope that's a sign for the better for us.

[MoreCowbell]

Now this is where you have to separate impressions and frustrations from specific situations and look at stats.

In SEC play -
With runners on base we hit .313 - 3rd best
With runners in scoring position .317 - 3rd best
Runners on 3rd with less than 2 out .565 - 7th
When needing to advance runners, we hit .474 - 4th best.
We had 78 RBIs with 2 outs - 4th.

Overall not anywhere near as bad as people make us out to be.

We did suck with the bases loaded - .250, which was 8th.

Yeah, we failed in some game winning situations - we also succeded in some as well.

Can you attach the link where you found these stats?

[basedog]

Can you attach the link where you found these stats?

I was surprised reading those stats, what I saw was lack of clutch hitting. We had only a couple .300 hitters also. But we won 40 games and we did make a regional so winning is the true factor.

[Todd4State]

I was surprised reading those stats, what I saw was lack of clutch hitting. We had only a couple .300 hitters also. But we won 40 games and we did make a regional so winning is the true factor.
The biggest issue if you look at our hitting stats would be the lack of power. I think we were something like 12th in the league in slugging percentage.

That means that there were times where we had to get 2-3 hits to score a run.

Also- we were really bad at baserunning this year and there is no question in my mind that hurt our offense as well.

[State82]

Now this is where you have to separate impressions and frustrations from specific situations and look at stats.

In SEC play -
With runners on base we hit .313 - 3rd best
With runners in scoring position .317 - 3rd best
Runners on 3rd with less than 2 out .565 - 7th
When needing to advance runners, we hit .474 - 4th best.
We had 78 RBIs with 2 outs - 4th.

Overall not anywhere near as bad as people make us out to be.

We did suck with the bases loaded - .250, which was 8th.

Yeah, we failed in some game winning situations - we also succeded in some as well.

Good stuff. Add a solid closer and just average baserunning and we are in. That is all it would have taken.

[BrunswickDawg]

The biggest issue if you look at our hitting stats would be the lack of power. I think we were something like 12th in the league in slugging percentage.

That means that there were times where we had to get 2-3 hits to score a run.

Also- we were really bad at baserunning this year and there is no question in my mind that hurt our offense as well.

Which is where I think your comment about "pro approach" hurt us. Usually in college ball if you have a team with a lack of power but good speed (which we had), you are going to be aggressive on the bases and move to small ball.
We didn't. I can tell you John Cohen would have small balled people to death with this team. We were 5th in SB, which isn't bad. But, I guess with our tendency to be bad on the bases, Lemo didn't feel good about running more than that.

[BrunswickDawg]

Can you attach the link where you found these stats?

https://www.secsports.com/2024-baseball-stats-pdf

[BrunswickDawg]

I was surprised reading those stats, what I saw was lack of clutch hitting. We had only a couple .300 hitters also. But we won 40 games and we did make a regional so winning is the true factor.

Well, there were definitely some failures in clutch moments. I don't want it to sound like there weren't. We didn't seem to have any single guy who you could point to and say "I want THAT GUY up when we need a hit. We've been blessed with some guys who excelled in those moments - even some guys who when you looked at their stats you kind scratch your head and can't believe they are the clutch guy (like Big Hit Mac).

[Commercecomet24]

Now this is where you have to separate impressions and frustrations from specific situations and look at stats.

In SEC play -
With runners on base we hit .313 - 3rd best
With runners in scoring position .317 - 3rd best
Runners on 3rd with less than 2 out .565 - 7th
When needing to advance runners, we hit .474 - 4th best.
We had 78 RBIs with 2 outs - 4th.

Overall not anywhere near as bad as people make us out to be.

We did suck with the bases loaded - .250, which was 8th.

Yeah, we failed in some game winning situations - we also succeded in some as well.

Right again Bruns! Some people expect perfection in baseball and they think if you fail 7 out of 10 times that we're awful when in fact that makes you quite successful as hitters in the game of baseball. Many folks can't deal with the game of baseball because it is a game of failure. Imagine if a qb only completed 30% of his passes or a basketball player shot 30% from the field, you'd be benched in a heartbeat but in baseball that makes you a star.

[Commercecomet24]

Well, there were definitely some failures in clutch moments. I don't want it to sound like there weren't. We didn't seem to have any single guy who you could point to and say "I want THAT GUY up when we need a hit. We've been blessed with some guys who excelled in those moments - even some guys who when you looked at their stats you kind scratch your head and can't believe they are the clutch guy (like Big Hit Mac).

I agree and it does happen but the majority of our starting lineup hit over 300 with risp which is excellent. Even Kohler was above 300 with risp. Chance, Mershon, DJ, Hujsak, Larry, Kohler, Powell all over 300 with risp. Hines in the middle of our lineup was one who was below 300 and Long as well.

[SPMT]

Right again Bruns! Some people expect perfection in baseball and they think if you fail 7 out of 10 times that we're awful when in fact that makes you quite successful as hitters in the game of baseball. Many folks can't deal with the game of baseball because it is a game of failure. Imagine if a qb only completed 30% of his passes or a basketball player shot 30% from the field, you'd be benched in a heartbeat but in baseball that makes you a star.


Yeah, it?s excruciating at times as a parent and player.

Regarding the talent on our team, I think i understand what fans mean.

We see Cag, Montgomery, Laviolette, Skenes, Moore etc and we just get player envy. We haven?t had that type of player in awhile. I would say DJ is that type and really no one else on the team. Like a first round type dude.

We haven?t really had those players in the field in awhile (Foscue, Westberg, Rooker). It?s been a minute.

We didn?t have that type of player on the NC team except on the mound. So it doesn?t matter as much as some think but they aren?t watching high high level ball much imo. You see different size players still rake.

[BrunswickDawg]

Yeah, it?s excruciating at times as a parent and player.

Regarding the talent on our team, I think i understand what fans mean.

We see Cag, Montgomery, Laviolette, Skenes, Moore etc and we just get player envy. We haven?t had that type of player in awhile. I would say DJ is that type and really no one else on the team. Like a first round type dude.

We haven?t really had those players in the field in awhile (Foscue, Westberg, Rooker). It?s been a minute.

We didn?t have that type of player on the NC team except on the mound. So it doesn?t matter as much as some think but they aren?t watching high high level ball much imo. You see different size players still rake.

So, other then a few outliers - Will/Raffy, Renfroe, Rooker, Fosc and Westy - our program has never been heavy with 1st Rounder type talent on offense. Pitching has been much more prodigious - Wallace, Powell, Loewer, Dubose, Ginter, Maholm, Stratton, Hudson, Small, Bednar, Sims.

We've never been really built around high powered, big bomber offense either. Would you believe it if I told you that we had more HR this season as we had in 2021? Would you believe that '22 & '23 are our two best seasons for HR & SLG, and 2nd and 3rd best in OPS going back to 2011?

In fact, I'd argue that our identity is as pitching/defense/small ball fundamental based program. When we have those things, we compete at a much higher level.

[StarkVegasSteve]

So, other then a few outliers - Will/Raffy, Renfroe, Rooker, Fosc and Westy - our program has never been heavy with 1st Rounder type talent on offense. Pitching has been much more prodigious - Wallace, Powell, Loewer, Dubose, Ginter, Maholm, Stratton, Hudson, Small, Bednar, Sims.

We've never been really built around high powered, big bomber offense either. Would you believe it if I told you that we had more HR this season as we had in 2021? Would you believe that '22 & '23 are our two best seasons for HR & SLG, and 2nd and 3rd best in OPS going back to 2011?

In fact, I'd argue that our identity is as pitching/defense/small ball fundamental based program. When we have those things, we compete at a much higher level.

It's actually crazy to realize that we were a better hitting team, avg wise, this year than we were in 2021 and improved 12 pts from last year.

[Commercecomet24]

So, other then a few outliers - Will/Raffy, Renfroe, Rooker, Fosc and Westy - our program has never been heavy with 1st Rounder type talent on offense. Pitching has been much more prodigious - Wallace, Powell, Loewer, Dubose, Ginter, Maholm, Stratton, Hudson, Small, Bednar, Sims.

We've never been really built around high powered, big bomber offense either. Would you believe it if I told you that we had more HR this season as we had in 2021? Would you believe that '22 & '23 are our two best seasons for HR & SLG, and 2nd and 3rd best in OPS going back to 2011?

In fact, I'd argue that our identity is as pitching/defense/small ball fundamental based program. When we have those things, we compete at a much higher level.

100%. Our identity has been that as well as tough, hard nosed kids that play hard. We've never been the gorilla ball type team.

[SPMT]

So, other then a few outliers - Will/Raffy, Renfroe, Rooker, Fosc and Westy - our program has never been heavy with 1st Rounder type talent on offense. Pitching has been much more prodigious - Wallace, Powell, Loewer, Dubose, Ginter, Maholm, Stratton, Hudson, Small, Bednar, Sims.

We've never been really built around high powered, big bomber offense either. Would you believe it if I told you that we had more HR this season as we had in 2021? Would you believe that '22 & '23 are our two best seasons for HR & SLG, and 2nd and 3rd best in OPS going back to 2011?

In fact, I'd argue that our identity is as pitching/defense/small ball fundamental based program. When we have those things, we compete at a much higher level.

Very true.

And I would not have believed what you said about recent years. We remember the clutch slugging imo.

[smootness]

It's actually crazy to realize that we were a better hitting team, avg wise, this year than we were in 2021 and improved 12 pts from last year.

But our SLG was way down, that is what hurt us this year.

[StarkVegasSteve]

But our SLG was way down, that is what hurt us this year.

That and our K numbers were just through the roof. Almost 100 more Ks this year than last. And go back to 2021 and even playing the amount of games we did, we still had 30 less Ks than we did this year.

[Commercecomet24]

That and our K numbers were just through the roof. Almost 100 more Ks this year than last. And go back to 2021 and even playing the amount of games we did, we still had 30 less Ks than we did this year.

Yeah the strikeout numbers were brutal. Without the power you need more contact than we had. The k's hurt more than anything.