Haha! No one wants to start a thread!

[CaptainObvious]

Don't blame y'all!

[Saltydog]

I think we all know how this one will turn out.

[Leroy Jenkins]

If I knew how games would turn out, I'd have Elon money.

[CaptainObvious]

Kohler ole's thr probably DP ball and 2 on nobody out for the hillbillies

[Ranchdawg]

Well at least I get to see this game on tv. The other games of this tourney I’ve fell asleep way before they were over.

[CaptainObvious]

Did Rally Pat have a sex change and grow a beard?

[CaptainObvious]

William Pico Cohn gets out of the jamb

[archdog]

We have a 16.5% chance of winning this game.

[archdog]

Jordan still dropping his hands.

[archdog]

Can we get some balls and put a hit and run on. I want to pressure them.

[KOdawg1]

Larry is slow.

[archdog]

No hit and run. And they actually did turn two but Larry gets the safe call somehow.

[archdog]

It?s time.

[archdog]

Larry is out again.

[archdog]

Larry has a horseshoe up his butt. Out twice called safe twice. Hines needs to step into one here. First right hander he has seen in a. Good minute.

[archdog]

Skinny Hines got under that one just a little bit. Good swing though.

[CaptainObvious]

Skinny Hines got under that one just a little bit. Good swing though.

Yep. Small victory but he did seem to get a good kick in it just not the sweet spot!

[archdog]

I need to see that HBP. Looks like it hit the butt of the bat. Nevermind, square in the inside part of the wrist.

I mean he was in the process of swinging.

[archdog]

They should have sent that guy from third.

[CaptainObvious]

Keep pitching from behind against these guys you gonna get burned. They aren't passive and timid.

[KOdawg1]

That's probably all they need

[CaptainObvious]

Larry came to play!

[bobtail bob]

The loser of this game will be the real winner. Go home and recharge for next weekend. There is nothing left for us to gain by hanging around playing every few hours.

[DawgFromOxford]

Larry flashing the leather

[CaptainObvious]

The last 4 winners of the SEC tourney have not made it to Omaha!

[archdog]

Geauxtreaux, tell Powell to take a pitch. 4 out of his last 5 at bats were first pitch contact. He is 1-5 on the only at bat he saw 3 pitches.

[CaptainObvious]

The Punch and Judy hitters are back.

[HoopsDawg]

Imagine starting Pulliam at DH over Stevens vs a righty.

[CaptainObvious]

State has got to sign these type hitters! It has to happen! Whether it is Lemonis or one of our Big Donors doing the "recruiting", it has to happen!

[bobtail bob]

Seventy dam pitches already.

[archdog]

We have the only left hander on the planet that cannot get left handers to swing at sliders.

[CaptainObvious]

Pico was cussing being taken out. Said "this is bullspit"

[StarkVegasSteve]

The loser of this game will be the real winner. Go home and recharge for next weekend. There is nothing left for us to gain by hanging around playing every few hours.

Except the whole we need to win to host thing, but hell, how important is that.

[HoopsDawg]

Side note: nice camo hats******

[CaptainObvious]

We have the only left hander on the planet that cannot get left handers to swing at sliders.

Kohn has the same delivery he always had. Glad he is healthy. But he slings it 3/4 so when he misses outside it is sweeping from left to right.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Doesn’t matter if it’s Powell or Long. They both 17 suck at catching. It takes two brain cells to not throw down right there. Apparently Powell has one.

[archdog]

We just gave up a run? For what? An out. Just for the record, it would be bases loaded 1 out right now.

[archdog]

Wild pitch could have scored that run anyway.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I hope we have fun in Corvallis or Stillwater. Looks like that’s where we’re headed

[archdog]

They could have scored that same run on that hit. Sure everything could have gone differently with bases loaded, but they had two obvious opportunities to score that run regardless.

[KOdawg1]

Tennessee has a lineup full of grown ass men.

Outside of Dakota Jordan, we look like a lineup full of frat bros.

[archdog]

Not to sure about that. But maybe. Who knows how they will give out host spots?

[DownwardDawg]

Hope he's ok. That right there is why this is a useless tournament. One of several reasons.

[KOdawg1]

He's better off bringing a football helmet to the plate rn

[Brobi-wan]

Tennessee has a lineup full of grown ass men.

Outside of Dakota Jordan, we look like a lineup full of frat bros.

I dunno. The frat bros wearing crop tops and pink glitter now days.

[CaptainObvious]

Can we bring the entire Birmingham Southern team over to play for State next year?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Mershon, Hujsak, and Larry are going to have to win this one for us. Everyone else is worthless and an auto out

[Brobi-wan]

Can we bring the entire Birmingham Southern team over to play for State next year?

They don’t have a school. So why not?

[CaptainObvious]

Did someone see Foxhall slip into our dugout?

[CaptainObvious]

I think we can ditch the shift now. When your pitcher can't pitch to the shift, you don't shift! Idiots!

[Brobi-wan]

We are probably lucky this game isn’t 7-0

[CaptainObvious]

They don’t have a school. So why not?

Can't hurt! What we return would struggle against Brandon High School.

[Cooterpoot]

Mershon, Hujsak, and Larry are going to have to win this one for us. Everyone else is worthless and an auto out

We aren't winning this

[DownwardDawg]

I'm superstitious when it comes to baseball. We were winning. We changed the lineup order. Now we're losing.

[Brobi-wan]

Skinny Hunter might need to go on a bulk lol

[bulldogcountry1]

Hines had a grooved FB on 1-2, and he barely fouled it off. Then, well?.

[Brobi-wan]

Taylor Swift going to get a hit here

[Hypnodawg]

That was absolutely not a strike. Hines got screwed on that one and he was having a good at bat.

[Brobi-wan]

MERSH TIME

[Hypnodawg]

This ump is guessing at what balls and strikes are

[Brobi-wan]

That was a terrible call

[Brobi-wan]

DJ chance to get outta the slump here

[Brobi-wan]

Whoops. Forgot the lineup

[Brobi-wan]

I really hate Tennessee

[archdog]

Been in the wrong thread talking away for this entire inning. I will head back there now.

[Cooterpoot]

Geaut has gotten fat and mad. Lemons is fired up! Cheese is cheesing.

[Brobi-wan]

This is the same crew that screwed us against Georgia

[Cooterpoot]

This is the same crew that screwed us against Georgia

Yep, we've had them a ton this year too

[Brobi-wan]

DAKOTA!!

[DownwardDawg]

Thank God!!! He needed that bad.

[Brobi-wan]

I won’t be terribly upset if we lost, but I would like to send these asshats home. They didn’t even know they had a baseball team 5 years ago.

[Cooterpoot]

Scumbag asshats

[Offshore Dawg]

Geaut has gotten fat and mad. Lemons is fired up! Cheese is cheesing.

He might be having biscuits and gravy with Lemonis each morning.

[CaptainObvious]

I'm am so happy right now! Win or lose, Dakota Jordan drove in 2 runs with a simple BASE HIT!!!!

[archdog]

Alright, I was accidentally posting in the Slump buster thread. Go read it. I basically said Jordan need to get into someone?s grille and get some swagger. Then he did and busted his slump.

Seriously. I called that before the pitcher started trying to show up the ump.

[archdog]

If we get through this inning 1-2-3, we will win this game.

[archdog]

Hardin, please don?t hang another one of those.

[archdog]

Quote Originally Posted by archdog View Post
Another simple run given up. Does this seem like only Mersh, Larry, and Hujsak are giving a shit in this game?

Can we get a little damn emotion poking through?

I am ready for Dakota to just go apeshit about something. Show me something my dude. We are all behind you. Take this shit personally and let?s get it done


This is what I wrote before we started batting last inning.

[Brobi-wan]

Hardin throwing just a little low

[archdog]

Alright. Throw something with some sink. Turn 2.

[archdog]

Dammit Hardin. Let your guys do their job.

[Cooterpoot]

You guys should love your wives the way Parker loves Hardin

[Saltydog]

Damn Hardin throw freaking strikes. He did the same shit last weekend against Missouri.

[archdog]

That was a strike.

[archdog]

Good inning. Hardin. Scaring the hall out of me there.

[Brobi-wan]

You guys should love your wives the way Parker loves Hardin

Thank God I’m not married.

[archdog]

Hardin has some tools. He really needs something to work with his fastball. A 12/6 curve would be what I would combo that against lefties.

[archdog]

Good swing Larry.

[KOdawg1]

Not bad Hines

[archdog]

Good cut by Hines.

[archdog]

Powell is standing to far from the plate.

Alright he moved up. Then watched fastball center cut.

[archdog]

This guy throws off speed every first pitch. Someone needs to know that.

[Offshore Dawg]

Thank God I’m not married.
Renting is cheaper than owning.

[archdog]

Pulliam. Needs to settle down out there.

[archdog]

Women you tend to pay for is cheaper.

[archdog]

This guy is not calling the outside strike except against Kohler.

[archdog]

That ref should have tossed that guy.

[archdog]

Hardin is making some good pitches. We need a nice double play ball.

[archdog]

Pull the string Hardin.

[archdog]

We need a nasty off speed here.

[archdog]

Damn. Hardin almost fell down on that one.

[Cooterpoot]

Hardin is so bad so often

[Hypnodawg]

I don't understand why Hardin is still pitching

[Cooterpoot]

I don't understand why Hardin is still pitching
Parker drags his feet so much with changes.

[archdog]

Can someone get Hardin a towel?

[archdog]

Parker drags his feet so much with changes.

Damn. Larry

[Cooterpoot]

Jesus Larry you suck as a 2B

[Leroy Jenkins]

DH Larry and put Pulliam at 2nd.

[DawgFromOxford]

Hardin struggles to finish an at bat

[Saltydog]

Lead Blown. Hardin cannot throw strikes.

[Cooterpoot]

Hardin and Larry both sucked and we keep letting them do it.

[archdog]

Is Larry?s arm hurt? I don?t remember him having that weak of an arm.

[Mjoelner34]

2 runs and the ball didn't leave the infield.

[Cooterpoot]

We've got at least 4 players better at 2B than Larry. But we play him and DH Pulliam? Lemonis is an idiot with these lineups!

[DawgFromOxford]

Jesus Larry you suck as a 2B

In fairness he flashed the leather early in the game he just has a weak arm and makes poor decisions at times

[archdog]

So UT has scored the easiest 5 runs I have ever seen. Even those last two, squib. Squib. Walk. FC error throw.

[archdog]

In fairness he flashed the leather early in the game he just has a weak arm and makes poor decisions at times

Yeah. He should have ate that one, but I am not salty about it. Larry has been playing really well the last two weeks. He can get us that one back.

[SaintDawg]

What the 17ing 17 Larry?!?? That was a basic DP

[CaptainObvious]

You cannot blame either guy for that. That is in the damn idiot coaches for leaving Hardin in to keep throwing ball after ball after ball!

[Cooterpoot]

In fairness he flashed the leather early in the game he just has a weak arm and makes poor decisions at times

In fairness, he's blown a couple plays tonight at 2B and another yesterday. We play Nate freaking Chester there late in games over him he's so bad.

[archdog]

I feel like we match up well against this guy. Let?s get some runs.

[archdog]

I think their coach just realized it.

Can we hit and run now. On the first pitch. Let?s go.

[Cooterpoot]

This ump is garbage

[HoopsDawg]

We've got at least 4 players better at 2B than Larry. But we play him and DH Pulliam? Lemonis is an idiot with these lineups!

The decision maker

[archdog]

That was a good pitch.

[bulldogcountry1]

This ump is garbage

I have no idea what a strike is right now.

[archdog]

He looked safe.

[CaptainObvious]

What the 17ing 17 Larry?!?? That was a basic DP

That not only wasn't going to be a DP he had no business throwing it. But Parker and a Lemonis screwed the pooch leaving Hardin in to pitch after the 2 guys reached base.

[DawgFromOxford]

In fairness, he's blown a couple plays tonight at 2B and another yesterday. We play Nate freaking Chester there late in games over him he's so bad.

This is also true

[KOdawg1]

Ballgame

[CaptainObvious]

They eat fast balls. This was probably Schuelke time

[KOdawg1]

They eat fast balls. This was probably Schuelke time

Tyler Davis is by far our best reliever. Schuelke would get demolished vs these guys

[DownwardDawg]

This ump is garbage

Absolutely terrible.

[DawgFromOxford]

Tyler Davis is by far our best reliever. Schuelke would get demolished vs these guys

Yeah just a really good swing on that one. It happens

[KOdawg1]

Yeah just a really good swing on that one. It happens

Yeah it wasn't even a bad pitch.

[mparkerfd20]

This ump is garbage

[Hypnodawg]

I'm not even saying he made a difference in the game but he is absolutely garbage

[DawgFromOxford]

This ump is garbage

Agreed. I have no clue what?s going to be a strike and what?s going to be a ball

[Mjoelner34]

Agreed. I have no clue what?s going to be a strike and what?s going to be a ball

...for either team.

[Leroy Jenkins]

I'll be right back. I gotta go help that little boys mama with something.

[SaintDawg]

That not only wasn't going to be a DP he had no business throwing it. But Parker and a Lemonis screwed the pooch leaving Hardin in to pitch after the 2 guys reached base.

Whatever you say, man. It’s all good.

[Brobi-wan]

No matter what happens in the bottom of the 9th, they showed some fight and DJ got a hit.

[Cooterpoot]

No matter what happens in the bottom of the 9th, they showed some fight and DJ got a hit.

Coaching blew this one

[Brobi-wan]

This is an interesting looking guy on the mound.

[Mjoelner34]

This is an interesting looking guy on the mound.

It's the love-child of Tommy Tanks and Rollie Fingers.

[archdog]

Hines is going to get a double. Powell needs to not swing at the first pitch and then get a single. Pulliam?s spot needs to sacrifice him to second. Chase pops out. Marsh gets a single for the win. Let?s go.

[DownwardDawg]

No matter what happens in the bottom of the 9th, they showed some fight and DJ got a hit.

I agree. We threw in the towel when we trotted Hardin back out there for the 7th.

[State82]

I'll be right back. I gotta go help that little boys mama with something.
Ha! I thought the exact same thing.

[DownwardDawg]

Coaching blew this one

Yep. Not a good night for them.

[archdog]

Well Hines, trying to pull everything still. First pitch should have gone up the middle on the ground.

[HoopsDawg]

We have a lot of holes, and Lemonis makes some really dumb decisions, but we have good pitching and we compete. That's enough to win a regional.

[archdog]

He gave up a squib, another squib, and a sure fire double play ball. What is y?all?s problem.

[mparkerfd20]

He gave up a squib, another squib, and a sure fire double play ball. What is y?all?s problem.

Sure fire double play my ass

[HoopsDawg]

U gotta take one Powell.

[Brobi-wan]

Larry’s bad throw is the reason they have the lead here. That being said, don’t think we have the pitching or the offense to win in extras.

[archdog]

Pringles guy looking fat guy.

[Brobi-wan]

Wonder how long this kid’s UCL lasts

[mparkerfd20]

Oh well let's go home and hit the batting cages

[HoopsDawg]

Why DH Pulliam if u are going to PH him with Chester? Why play Larry at 2nd if you are going to bat Larry and Chester who are both better defenders. Oh well. See y'all at Indiana State.

[archdog]

Alright. Time to get some rest and hope we did enough to host. If we did, then this game and tourney doesn?t mean anything.

[Brobi-wan]

I think we did enough to host when we beat AM. We’ll see Monday

[archdog]

That kid threw with basically zero effort. Nice talent to come in.

[Cooterpoot]

Until we hire a new staff, this is as good as it gets. Our talent isn't as good as a TN team that had no program 5 years ago. We keep screwing up our lineup and struggle with the bats.

[archdog]

Pretty fun time in Hoover considering our slump we were in. Nice job by the pitchers. Get some rest and get an edge to you.

[HoopsDawg]

The reason why Tony V is 8-0 against Lemon in the last 8 is bc he is a relentless recruiter.

[Cooterpoot]

The reason why Tony V is 8-0 against Lemon in the last 8 is bc he is a relentless recruiter.

Yep

[DawgFromOxford]

Head to the house and rest up. Glad to see Jordan get a hit. Hopefully a week off will get Hines straightened out. Hardin is going to give me heartburn coming out of the pen in postseason play

[Brobi-wan]

Lemon’s be all end all year is next year. If we start hitting better Omaha is within reach, but that has to start next week

[Coach34]

The reason why Tony V is 8-0 against Lemon in the last 8 is bc he is a relentless recruiter.

And why he would never consider our job.

[Cooterpoot]

Lemon’s be all end all year is next year. If we start hitting better Omaha is within reach, but that has to start next week

This team has no chance at Omaha IMO. Hope they prove me incorrect.

[DownwardDawg]

And why he would never consider our job.

Starkville vs Knoxville. That's why. He could recruit even better at State with our facilities and support but not many coaches are gonna trade those two locations.

[Coach34]

This team has no chance at Omaha IMO. Hope they prove me incorrect.

We have to have Jordan and Hines to get us to Omaha. End of story

[Coach34]

Starkville vs Knoxville. That's why. He could recruit even better at State with our facilities and support but not many coaches are gonna trade those two locations.

No- its easier to recruit to Knoxville than StarkVegas- In 2024/not 1985

[DownwardDawg]

This team has no chance at Omaha IMO. Hope they prove me incorrect.

I think they have what it takes to win a regional and a super regional. But no chance at winning the CWS. Too much pitching required in Omaha.

[Dawgface]

I think they have what it takes to win a regional and a super regional. But no chance at winning the CWS. Too much pitching required in Omaha.

Winning a regional would be considered a huge success. Of course it depends on the teams in the regional but I have a hard time seeing it. But you never know....

[HoopsDawg]

No- its easier to recruit to Knoxville than StarkVegas- In 2024/not 1985

Maybe. But I think you underestimate how much harder Tony V works at evaluating and recruiting than Lemon does. Lemon and Gaut didn't recruit high school players at all last summer. That's why their roster is so much better than ours.

[Coach34]

Maybe. But I think you underestimate how much harder Tony V works at evaluating and recruiting than Lemon does. Lemon and Gaut didn't recruit high school players at all last summer. That's why their roster is so much better than ours.

Freshman dont play in the SEC unless they are Top round guys. Why waste time on HS guys? Steal from other programs

[Todd4State]

Gautreau's offense is absolutely killing us right now.

I think we could be so much better with a different approach. We need a lot more scrap.

And how many guys have really improved since they have been here at MSU? Not many. Hines and Jordan taking Daddy Hacks all year.

We need to use Campbell's offensive philosophy. Need to grind out AB's and focus on getting on base and causing havoc and then the power will come with it.

[Coach34]

Im really getting on the Gotro must go train.

How do you make Hines and Jordan worse?

[Todd4State]

Maybe. But I think you underestimate how much harder Tony V works at evaluating and recruiting than Lemon does. Lemon and Gaut didn't recruit high school players at all last summer. That's why their roster is so much better than ours.

They're not that much better than we are. We just don't maximize and develop the talent we actually have on offense. It's not like they blew us out or anything tonight. We lost the game because our second baseman who should be our DH made a poor decision trying to do too much and they stole a cheap run.

[Todd4State]

Im really getting on the Gotro must go train.

How do you make Hines and Jordan worse?

You leave them alone and don't do a damn thing when they're struggling. There are several EliteDawgs that are better hitting coaches than Gautreau. With Commerce at the top of the list.

[Coach34]

You leave them alone and don't do a damn thing when they're struggling. There are several EliteDawgs that are better hitting coaches than Gautreau. With Commerce at the top of the list.

lol- no doubt. We have 7 known former State baseball players on the board. None I've talked to approve of GoTro

[Coach34]

We have 7 known former State baseball players on the board.

That we know of. I'm 100% we have many more on here. It's obvious

[TNDawg35]

They're not that much better than we are. We just don't maximize and develop the talent we actually have on offense. It's not like they blew us out or anything tonight. We lost the game because our second baseman who should be our DH made a poor decision trying to do too much and they stole a cheap run.

And all against Drew Beam… It isn’t like they had a bullpen day. We played the #1 team to the wire and should have beat them… We can beat anyone, yet we can still loose to anyone…

[Cooterpoot]

Recruiting is our massive failure. We got lazy and can't catch up now. Geaut is close to Foxy level failure too.

[Brobi-wan]

So does anyone actually expect Jake to go?

[Leeshouldveflanked]

So does anyone actually expect Jake to go?
He was a hot commodity in 2021. Not so much now.

[DawgFromOxford]

So does anyone actually expect Jake to go?

Lemonis dug himself quite the whole hanging on to Fox too long. We?ll see what he does with Jake this off-season

[HoopsDawg]

They're not that much better than we are. We just don't maximize and develop the talent we actually have on offense. It's not like they blew us out or anything tonight. We lost the game because our second baseman who should be our DH made a poor decision trying to do too much and they stole a cheap run.

I think Jordan, Hujsak and Mershon would start somewhere for UT. But no one else.

[The Federalist Engineer]

This was a good business trip to Birmingham

(1) three more games would just be work. Let's rest the arms
(2) Auger and Pico give MSU the best #3 and #4 situation since 2016 with Zac Houston, Pilk and Daniel Brown
(3) lost 2 One-run games with near minimal contribution from the 3 and 4 hitters
(4) Stephens needed the rest
(5) Parker sees that he can't stretch CJ and does not need to
(6) MSU can matchup with any National Seed, road games don't matter

Outside of a Super in Knoxville, I think all other matchups would be toss ups. MSU is a nightmare matchup. Even today, MSU matched UTK #1 with the Midweek guy.

[Todd4State]

I think Jordan, Hujsak and Mershon would start somewhere for UT. But no one else.

Really? I think those and Hines definitely would. He's a top 150 draft prospect. I'm sure they would like to have Stephen, Loo, Dohm, Auger, Davis, and maybe Hardin from the pitching staff. Those guys would be regulars somewhere on the pitching staff.

[Todd4State]

So does anyone actually expect Jake to go?

I don't expect it. But you never know. Maybe Tulane finally calls him home or he ends up at Rice or Houston.

I'm hoping we hire a hitting analyst from Campbell or somewhere that has an offense like that.

We also don't really know how Lemonis really feels about the situation with Gautreau. Lemonis inherited him more or less. So I don't think they're exactly tied to the hip. If guys keep struggling and we get bounced out of a regional or SR because of it he might make a move. I'm sure Lemonis has some of the same frustrations we all do with things with the offense.

[MoreCowbell]

They're not that much better than we are. We just don't maximize and develop the talent we actually have on offense. It's not like they blew us out or anything tonight. We lost the game because our second baseman who should be our DH made a poor decision trying to do too much and they stole a cheap run.

Look at their recruiting classes vs ours. They wayyyyyy more talented than us

[basedog]

lol- no doubt. We have 7 known former State baseball players on the board. None I've talked to approve of GoTro

I can tell you also there is an ex MLB manager that isn't a fan of our HC. Says you can't manage college kids like a ML rooster, has to be more involvement with discipline and making sure players are working hard at practice from pre practice to weekly game season practice.
We can all see the inconsistence in our play over the last 3 years although we are winning this year mainly because we have better player leadership.

I hope we host and win the region regardless of where we play. I'm a little concerned with offensive production but pitching and defense has been really good.

[Santiago]

Really? I think those and Hines definitely would. He's a top 150 draft prospect. I'm sure they would like to have Stephen, Loo, Dohm, Auger, Davis, and maybe Hardin from the pitching staff. Those guys would be regulars somewhere on the pitching staff.

The difference though, is with TN , if they were going into big slumps, there are other Jordan and Hines sitting on the bench waiting for an opportunity.
We don't have that.

[Todd4State]

The difference though, is with TN , if they were going into big slumps, there are other Jordan and Hines sitting on the bench waiting for an opportunity.
We don't have that.

No the difference is their hitting coach will actually make adjustments and coach them.

[Todd4State]

I can tell you also there is an ex MLB manager that isn't a fan of our HC. Says you can't manage college kids like a ML rooster, has to be more involvement with discipline and making sure players are working hard at practice from pre practice to weekly game season practice.
We can all see the inconsistence in our play over the last 3 years although we are winning this year mainly because we have better player leadership.

I hope we host and win the region regardless of where we play. I'm a little concerned with offensive production but pitching and defense has been really good.

And pitching changed when we got a coach who was more hand on. Probably not a coincidence.

[basedog]

And pitching changed when we got a coach who was more hand on. Probably not a coincidence.

Can't disagree. Smart move by Lemonis, credit does go to him no doubt!

[KOdawg1]

Gaut has to go. He's been here too long and the results have been decent at times but not nearly what we need.

Our approach and plan of attack when it comes to hitting is the most pansy, passive shit I've seen. We poke and slap the ball. Tennessee smashes the ball. We're up there looking to "stay within ourselves." They're up there looking to kill somebody.

[Mjoelner34]

So does anyone actually expect Jake to go?

As low as they may be, I think the odds of winning 7 this fall are a lot greater than the chance that goatrow is let go.