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02-14-2018, 01:04 PM
#101
Originally Posted by
Cooterpoot
Which is why I said outside of the top handful of teams. Because those teams are getting the top talent every year almost no matter what. And those kids could be rated by a blind man.
Absolutely right!
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02-14-2018, 01:24 PM
#102
Originally Posted by
bulldawg28
I disagree. It's great message board discussion and highschool player ego's. Outside of that it's pointless
I subscribe to 247 because those guys bring me good information about who MSU is recruiting. I generally look at who has offered these kids to determine their quality. It is a good source of this info because those guys are in it everyday. Otherwise I would have no reliable source of this information. It is well worth the $10/mo.
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02-14-2018, 03:03 PM
#103
Here's the deal guys, recruiting rankings absolutely matter. If you can get your head out of your ass long enough to check the stats, they 100% matter. In the SEC, the team with more talent on paper wins like 80% of the time per Dave Bartoo. Nationally, in the recruiting ranking era, you can't win a national championship (nor SEC championship) if you don't have 50% or more of your teams roster made up of 4 and 5 star recruits. Not signing a top 5, 10, 15 class doesn't mean you can't be relatively good and win 7-9 games. It doesn't mean you're going to lose to every team that is more talented than you. If just means, if you have championship aspirations, you HAVE to recruit at a championship level. Here's some more info on the subject if you want to educate yourselves: https://www.footballstudyhall.com/20...rankings-right
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02-14-2018, 03:12 PM
#104
Originally Posted by
Pipedream
Here's the deal guys, recruiting rankings absolutely matter. If you can get your head out of your ass long enough to check the stats, they 100% matter. In the SEC, the team with more talent on paper wins like 80% of the time per Dave Bartoo. Nationally, in the recruiting ranking era, you can't win a national championship (nor SEC championship) if you don't have 50% or more of your teams roster made up of 4 and 5 star recruits. Not signing a top 5, 10, 15 class doesn't mean you can't be relatively good and win 7-9 games. It doesn't mean you're going to lose to every team that is more talented than you. If just means, if you have championship aspirations, you HAVE to recruit at a championship level. Here's some more info on the subject if you want to educate yourselves:
https://www.footballstudyhall.com/20...rankings-right
Where people have problems for example at the end of the day on signing day BAMA was number nine. Then the next morning they were number seven. The total number of recruits stayed the same. It just made me think that these recruiting service recalculate and do what they need to in order to make the larger group of followers happy.
Also Tenn, Florida and A&M have up to this year have been in the top 8 and you see what they got them.
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02-14-2018, 03:23 PM
#105
Originally Posted by
Jack Lambert
Where people have problems for example at the end of the day on signing day BAMA was number nine. Then the next morning they were number seven. The total number of recruits stayed the same. It just made me think that these recruiting service recalculate and do what they need to in order to make the larger group of followers happy.
Also Tenn, Florida and A&M have up to this year have been in the top 8 and you see what they got them.
Well obviously you need a combination of good coaching and facilities to go with the recruiting rankings. I don't think the argument is that all programs who rank top 8 in recruiting will be top 8 football programs, but to win a natty you must be top 10 recruiting.
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02-14-2018, 03:33 PM
#106
Originally Posted by
Pipedream
Here's the deal guys, recruiting rankings absolutely matter. If you can get your head out of your ass long enough to check the stats, they 100% matter. In the SEC, the team with more talent on paper wins like 80% of the time per Dave Bartoo. Nationally, in the recruiting ranking era, you can't win a national championship (nor SEC championship) if you don't have 50% or more of your teams roster made up of 4 and 5 star recruits. Not signing a top 5, 10, 15 class doesn't mean you can't be relatively good and win 7-9 games. It doesn't mean you're going to lose to every team that is more talented than you. If just means, if you have championship aspirations, you HAVE to recruit at a championship level. Here's some more info on the subject if you want to educate yourselves:
https://www.footballstudyhall.com/20...rankings-right
It would be interesting if someone had the recruit rankings for each championship team before each player committed and post. I certainly believe you have to have great players to win championships, but I think the recruiting sites adjust player ratings after the original rating. Ie ... If player A is getting recruited to bama, he gets a bump. By doing this, the sites help themselves with the above info you stated. With that said, I want to get as many 4 and 5 stars as we can get
ETA... the last 12 natties breakdown like this: 5 by saban, 3 by urban, 1 by miles, 1 by chizik, 1 by jimbo, and 1 by dabo. Whoever broke down the info in your post, could have just said if you want a natty hire urban or saban.
Last edited by msstate7; 02-15-2018 at 07:21 AM.
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02-14-2018, 04:01 PM
#107
247 used to have a graph on a players profile that would track their rankings
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02-15-2018, 06:48 AM
#108
I dunno if recruiting services cater to select programs... and I dunno if players outside top ~200 are accurately rated...
But, I do know this:
A. These are the most successful SEC teams:
1) Alabama
2) LSU
3) UGA
4) Auburn
5) Florida
and,
B. These are the most successful SEC teams:
1) Alabama
2) LSU
3) UGA
4) Florida
5) Auburn
note: Data is based on Regular Season SEC wins and Average 247 Recruiting Ranking years 2015-2017
Bonus Fact: Mizzou and Vandy recruited the worst, and won the least.
"It is not courage to resist TUSK; It is courage to accept TUSK."
No.
Easy there buddy. Tusk is...well Tusk is Tusk. Tireddawg 12.20.17
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02-15-2018, 07:29 AM
#109
Originally Posted by
TUSK
I dunno if recruiting services cater to select programs... and I dunno if players outside top ~200 are accurately rated...
But, I do know this:
A. These are the most successful SEC teams:
1) Alabama
2) LSU
3) UGA
4) Auburn
5) Florida
and,
B. These are the most successful SEC teams:
1) Alabama
2) LSU
3) UGA
4) Florida
5) Auburn
note: Data is based on Regular Season SEC wins and Average 247 Recruiting Ranking years 2015-2017
Bonus Fact: Mizzou and Vandy recruited the worst, and won the least.
Florida has 23 (10, 9, 4) wins from 2015-2017. State has 24 (9, 6, 9) from 2015-2017. Georgia won more games than LSU during that period
Last edited by msstate7; 02-15-2018 at 07:34 AM.
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02-15-2018, 07:44 AM
#110
Originally Posted by
msstate7
Florida has 23 (10, 9, 4) wins from 2015-2017. State has 24 (9, 6, 9) from 2015-2017. Georgia won more games than LSU during that period
Win totals were based on SEC Competition, only.... It's not statistically reliable if OOC games are included, IMO...
I do appreciate fact checking me, though... Thanks!
"It is not courage to resist TUSK; It is courage to accept TUSK."
No.
Easy there buddy. Tusk is...well Tusk is Tusk. Tireddawg 12.20.17
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02-15-2018, 12:17 PM
#111
Kinda surprised by OM recruiting so far. I really thought they would be going all in again, but so far it does not appear to be the case. They have 8 commits with the highest rated most certainly going mlb and 5 commits with no other sec offers. Throw out ealy (doubtful they get him anyway) and their avg per recruit is .8602.
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02-15-2018, 12:34 PM
#112
Originally Posted by
msstate7
Kinda surprised by OM recruiting so far. I really thought they would be going all in again, but so far it does not appear to be the case. They have 8 commits with the highest rated most certainly going mlb and 5 commits with no other sec offers. Throw out ealy (doubtful they get him anyway) and their avg per recruit is .8602.
They have plenty of time
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02-15-2018, 12:36 PM
#113
Originally Posted by
vv83
They have plenty of time
Yes, they do. Just surprised they are filling up so quickly with players that are not highly rated. Players could be outstanding for all I know, but not really OM style
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02-15-2018, 01:04 PM
#114
Originally Posted by
msstate7
Yes, they do. Just surprised they are filling up so quickly with players that are not highly rated. Players could be outstanding for all I know, but not really OM style
Matt Luke cleaning up the program*********
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02-15-2018, 01:07 PM
#115
Originally Posted by
msstate7
Yes, they do. Just surprised they are filling up so quickly with players that are not highly rated. Players could be outstanding for all I know, but not really OM style
They don't mind dumping them if better comes along.
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02-15-2018, 01:13 PM
#116
Originally Posted by
msbulldog
They don't mind dumping them if better comes along.
They're not about to dump a bunch of instate kids.
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02-15-2018, 01:18 PM
#117
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02-16-2018, 12:02 PM
#118
Originally Posted by
msstate7
I really thought they would be going all in again, but so far it does not appear to be the case.
They cannot just go back to doing business as usual. Getting caught again in the repeat offender window would be a disaster.
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02-16-2018, 01:01 PM
#119
Originally Posted by
sandwolf
They cannot just go back to doing business as usual. Getting caught again in the repeat offender window would be a disaster.
I don't think that will stop them.
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02-16-2018, 05:43 PM
#120
From the other thread, 4* Donte Starks is visiting this week
https://247sports.com/Player/Donte-Starks-45573479
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