This is what it comes down to for me

[Todd4State]

well, thats the hard part. Who says Fulmer or Cutcliffe would have started winning again? As Spiderman posted- no coach in his 4th year or later has recovered from these type of losses to sustain a program. Most times it turns out like Jackie, Chizik, etc.

We have too many fans that are afraid to fail- and thus are afraid to succeed. Sort of like Dan when he coaches against Alabama or LSU. Which is probably why they are big fans of his.

[Todd4State]

Would you be happy with Les miles? He's been much more successful than boom

I think hiring Les Miles would be like a cross between Jackie Sherill winning the big games with Dan's insane ideas.

[Todd4State]

So Starkville > Columbia? Lol

What's so great about Columbia? Like someone said- it's Jackson, MS. It's your typical southern city.

Let's be honest- in the SEC the coolest town is where Vanderbilt is located.

[Todd4State]

Whittingham..........Yawn....IF he would take it
Kiffen.......couldn't win at USC. Trust me, I'm a USC fan big time, you don't want the GOAT.
Brown............how old is that guy?
Miles..........He is a decent coach but my LSU friends would absolutly howl with laughter
Fedora..............maybe..but would he take it? He would be gone like a shot if a better job offered. Unlike Mullen he HAS proven he will do it.
Petrino.........ain't going to happen ever, for the same reason Briles won't ever happen

If we fire Mullen, which would be pure insanity unless he goes winless this year, we will make a very similar hire to what we did when we hired Mullen, hopefully. Y'all may or may not realize this but Mullen was the highest profile hire without baggage we had ever made in any sport in the modern era. I know we offer more money now but still...it's all relative. If we do it this year look for RR/Croom mark II. If we have to FIRE Mullen ever we will make a similar hire, hopefully. Y'all are going to blast me but it is what it is. We like to pride ourselves on realism, that's a dose of realism for you. I know..Howland. The stars aligned for that one. That doesn't happen that often.

What do you mean Ben Howland doesn't happen often? Florida lost Spurrier then hired Zook who sucked- and then ended up with Urban Meyer. Then they ended up with BOOM who sucked and now they have McIlwain who is a good coach.

Going back to Paul Davis EVERY single coach we have hired has had at least one winning season on the field. And that was the 60's. Yep- even Charley Shira.

If you are saying the best we can do is a coach that doesn't really want to be here, can't recruit, manages his roster poorly and can't utilize his personnel because he won the Gator Bowl in 2010 and then ride our best QB in school history to 19 wins you are sorely mistaken.

[Commercecomet24]

What's so great about Columbia? Like someone said- it's Jackson, MS. It's your typical southern city.

Let's be honest- in the SEC the coolest town is where Vanderbilt is located.

Gainesville not bad.

[lamont]

What do you mean Ben Howland doesn't happen often? Florida lost Spurrier then hired Zook who sucked- and then ended up with Urban Meyer. Then they ended up with BOOM who sucked and now they have McIlwain who is a good coach.

Going back to Paul Davis EVERY single coach we have hired has had at least one winning season on the field. And that was the 60's. Yep- even Charley Shira.

If you are saying the best we can do is a coach that doesn't really want to be here, can't recruit, manages his roster poorly and can't utilize his personnel because he won the Gator Bowl in 2010 and then ride our best QB in school history to 19 wins you are sorely mistaken.

We turned down Jimbo Fisher for Croom. Jimbo Fisher. We have had great candidates for our football job anytime its been open the last 30 years. We Croomed ourselves- that didnt have to happen. Just like we could have hired better coaches than RR- but Strick was going to show everyone he knew better than everyone else. Those two hires are poor examples as to why we shouldnt change

[SPMT]

We have too many fans that are afraid to fail- and thus are afraid to succeed. Sort of like Dan when he coaches against Alabama or LSU. Which is probably why they are big fans of his.

We also have too many fans with unrealistic expectations. Mullen had us ranked number 1, very close to playoff, etc. We all would love to be Ohio State, Bama, etc but we aren't. We are better than many, many other programs though.

Two things bother me about Mullen:

1. The impression that he is not committed to MSU by virtue of his refusal to snuff out any job rumors.

2. His attitude/personality.

The second item I really could give a shit about, I have no desire to hang out with him or any other coach.

The man has done a better than average job and he's exceeded my expectations. Yes, he has recruited these players and they are inexperienced, etc. but barring any kind of colossal meltdown, he deserves another year to correct any mistakes.

I believe we could separate ourselves form other jobs of similar stature by allowing him the opportunity to fix a problem. It could make our job more attractive when compared to other jobs of similar stature when/if Mullen and State separate.

[Todd4State]

Gainesville not bad.

If you like Florida I guess. It's no Athens. They do have Caf? Risqu? near there so that's a plus.

[Liverpooldawg]

Cutcliffe still has a losing overall record at Duke...still has no bearing on what he would have done at OM. He sure didnt leave Orgeron a talented team by any means

But yet what these other coaches do elsewhere have bearing on what they would do here? Gotcha. The agenda lives.

He has had more than one winning record at DUKE......in FOOTBALL. You are just trolling for hits now. Ad revenue down? THAT I can respect.

[Liverpooldawg]

We have too many fans that are afraid to fail- and thus are afraid to succeed. Sort of like Dan when he coaches against Alabama or LSU. Which is probably why they are big fans of his.

We have too many fans that think the back up QB is almost always the best one and the NEXT coach will be the one. It's what we have ALWAYS thought so I guess we don't really know what else to do. I think that was one of the most enjoyable things about the Dak as a starter years: there was never any thought that HIS back up might be better than him.

[Commercecomet24]

If you like Florida I guess. It's no Athens. They do have Caf? Risqu? near there so that's a plus.

Lol I do like Florida but personally in the sec I like Knoxville. I go up there a lot on business and I enjoy that part of Tennessee. You're right that most of the cities these schools are in are pretty much your typical southern cities.

[Liverpooldawg]

We turned down Jimbo Fisher for Croom. Jimbo Fisher. We have had great candidates for our football job anytime its been open the last 30 years. We Croomed ourselves- that didnt have to happen. Just like we could have hired better coaches than RR- but Strick was going to show everyone he knew better than everyone else. Those two hires are poor examples as to why we shouldnt change

You know that for a fact do you? I heard AT THE TIME that he turned us down, no interest. We tried and didn't get him.

[BayouDawg]

It's gonna go down in a classic M State fashion. This year could go south quick then we have a split fanbase, recruiting goes to hell again and we don't sign enough players and wind up with less than 75 scholarship players. By the time we and Mullen part it has turned into a shitshow. We can't have a coaching change without completely letting the program go to hell first. It's just what we do.

[lamont]

But yet what these other coaches do elsewhere have bearing on what they would do here? Gotcha. The agenda lives.

He has had more than one winning record at DUKE......in FOOTBALL. You are just trolling for hits now. Ad revenue down? THAT I can respect.

Cutcliffe is 24-40 at Duke in conference. You are embarrassing yourself now...C34 told me that one of his former players coaches at Duke btw

[lamont]

You know that for a fact do you?

yes

[Liverpooldawg]

If you don't think not having a full 85 on scholarship is a problem then I don't what to tell ya. This past recruiting class is gonna leave a mark. 19 wins in the last 2 years is amazing, but we did not capitalize on that #1 ranking. I'm afraid Dan thought that was his golden ticket outta here, got complacent, and overplayed his hand. Now we're at a crossroads. What happens from this point on will determine if Dan is still committed.

A full 85 is what everybody has? In all honesty I don't know.

[Todd4State]

We also have too many fans with unrealistic expectations. Mullen had us ranked number 1, very close to playoff, etc. We all would love to be Ohio State, Bama, etc but we aren't. We are better than many, many other programs though.

Two things bother me about Mullen:

1. The impression that he is not committed to MSU by virtue of his refusal to snuff out any job rumors.

2. His attitude/personality.

The second item I really could give a shit about, I have no desire to hang out with him or any other coach.

The man has done a better than average job and he's exceeded my expectations. Yes, he has recruited these players and they are inexperienced, etc. but barring any kind of colossal meltdown, he deserves another year to correct any mistakes.

I believe we could separate ourselves form other jobs of similar stature by allowing him the opportunity to fix a problem. It could make our job more attractive when compared to other jobs of similar stature when/if Mullen and State separate.

Well what is realistic for us?

Can we occasionally upset a top 15-20 or above team let's set the mark at an average of about once every three years? Jackie showed us we could do that.

Can we consistently beat teams that we "should beat" such as the OOC games against non power five and the Kentucky's of the world? For the most part Dan to his credit showed us that we could do that.

Can we recruit at a high level at Mississippi State? Felker and Jackie showed us we could.

Now the question is can we find a coach that can do all three of those things, genuinely want to be here, play the best people, not have sacred cows on his staff and put emphasis on the Egg Bowl? I think the answer is YES!

Why can't we recruit at a top 15 level annually, win the games we are supposed to and pull off an upset an average of one every 2-3 years? I don't see any reason why we can't unless we hold on to a coach too long which is what would prolong and cause a massive rebuilding job potentially.

[BayouDawg]

A full 85 is what everybody has? In all honesty I don't know.

Yes! We've basically given ourselves probation! we had room for 25 and ended up getting 17 on campus! That's a complete lack of effort on the recruiting front!

[Todd4State]

A full 85 is what everybody has? In all honesty I don't know.

Yes. And your boy has us at 78 allegedly. And that includes scholarships given to walk-ons.

Dan basically put us on probation for no reason.

[Liverpooldawg]

What do you mean Ben Howland doesn't happen often? Florida lost Spurrier then hired Zook who sucked- and then ended up with Urban Meyer. Then they ended up with BOOM who sucked and now they have McIlwain who is a good coach.

Going back to Paul Davis EVERY single coach we have hired has had at least one winning season on the field. And that was the 60's. Yep- even Charley Shira.

If you are saying the best we can do is a coach that doesn't really want to be here, can't recruit, manages his roster poorly and can't utilize his personnel because he won the Gator Bowl in 2010 and then ride our best QB in school history to 19 wins you are sorely mistaken.

If you think that we have equal stature to Florida as a program then........well.

Rode the best QB in school history? YES..... THANK YOU. Do you think Dak would have been here without Mullen?

Are you REALLY comparing Schira to Mullen? Good lord you have gone off the deep end. Mullen has done what he has done here in what WILL go down in history as the Golden Age of SEC football, ESP SEC West football.