Arnett presser

[KB21]

Who gives a turd about analytics, Lame Kitten? I feel like no one spoke of analytics until Lane got to Pissville U.

I think this is less about analytics and more about how he felt the game and made a freshman head coaching mistake.

All coaches should be very into analytics. Analytics and young, hyper intelligent coaches who embrace them is the reason the NFL has such a great product right now. All the old school fogies are being phased out with the new school mindset "nerd" coaches. It's a beautiful transition. College football is in severe need of a similar transition.

[Maverick91]

All coaches should be very into analytics. Analytics and young, hyper intelligent coaches who embrace them is the reason the NFL has such a great product right now. All the old school fogies are being phased out with the new school mindset "nerd" coaches. It's a beautiful transition. College football is in severe need of a similar transition.

Well, you and I are going to disagree there. I think football is slightly regressing with the new mindset of football.

[KB21]

Well, you and I are going to disagree there. I think football is slightly regressing with the new mindset of football.

Please don't tell me you are anti spin rate, anti velocity, and pro bunting in baseball as well.

[Really Clark?]

Please don't tell me you are anti spin rate, anti velocity, and pro bunting in baseball as well.

Nobody is anti-spin rate and velocity, you've never seen anyone make that statement on here. Hell even Bill James is pro bunting in very limited situations. Less pro sacrifice bunting but he even broke his data down of when it was situationally, batter and defensive alignment advantageous to consider it a favorable strategy. Bunting for base hit he likes more if the batter can consistently bunt into specific zones. Read his later stuff and his online content.

[Maverick91]

Please don't tell me you are anti spin rate, anti velocity, and pro bunting in baseball as well.

I’m going to really throw you for a loop. I don’t watch baseball, I respect it and if I am at a game I can get into it. I only care about the World Series.

Back to football - this new game is softer than the old game. It’s enjoyable to watch it’s just not what I am used to. It will come back around eventually.

[KB21]

I’m going to really throw you for a loop. I don’t watch baseball, I respect it and if I am at a game I can get into it. I only care about the World Series.

Back to football - this new game is softer than the old game. It’s enjoyable to watch it’s just not what I am used to. It will come back around eventually.

The new game is so much better from a schematic standpoint and more enjoyable to watch. 20 years ago, NFL football was dull with the exception of the teams that had elite QBs. Now, you have coaches like Kyle Shanahan doing innovative stuff with the likes of Jimmy Garropolo and Brock Purdy at QB. Mike McDaniel in Miami is going to set league on its ear with that explosive offense. I'm very interested in seeing what Matt LaFleur does with Jordan Love this year. Sean McVay is one of my favorite coaches in the NFL. I'm even excited to see some of the defensive coaches that will branch off the Shanahan tree very soon. Guys like Ejiro Evero in Carolina now and while he's not from the Shanahan tree, Sean Desai is a young defensive coach that I'm very high on. Yale graduate. Super intelligent. Highly analytical.

The days of the knuckle dragging mouth breathers in the NFL are over.

[Maverick91]

The new game is so much better from a schematic standpoint and more enjoyable to watch. 20 years ago, NFL football was dull with the exception of the teams that had elite QBs. Now, you have coaches like Kyle Shanahan doing innovative stuff with the likes of Jimmy Garropolo and Brock Purdy at QB. Mike McDaniel in Miami is going to set league on its ear with that explosive offense. I'm very interested in seeing what Matt LaFleur does with Jordan Love this year. Sean McVay is one of my favorite coaches in the NFL. I'm even excited to see some of the defensive coaches that will branch off the Shanahan tree very soon. Guys like Ejiro Evero in Carolina now and while he's not from the Shanahan tree, Sean Desai is a young defensive coach that I'm very high on. Yale graduate. Super intelligent. Highly analytical.

The days of the knuckle dragging mouth breathers in the NFL are over.

I still dont understand why you are taking about NFL. The NFL to college game has always and prayerfully will always be different.

[KB21]

I still dont understand why you are taking about NFL. The NFL to college game has always and prayerfully will always be different.

Because football is football. Sound decision making and scheming based on analytics works at all levels. Passing the football is better than running the football at all levels. Most of the analytics that you can get a hold of and study is from the NFL. Hopefully soon, we will see more analytics on the college game.

Here's a good link on some data about pass vs run from the college level though: https://staturdays.com/2019/09/23/sh...-run-the-ball/

[Maverick91]

Because football is football. Sound decision making and scheming based on analytics works at all levels. Passing the football is better than running the football at all levels. Most of the analytics that you can get a hold of and study is from the NFL. Hopefully soon, we will see more analytics on the college game.

Here's a good link on some data about pass vs run from the college level though: https://staturdays.com/2019/09/23/sh...-run-the-ball/

Some of the beauty of college ball is the shooting from the hips. NFL gets flack for being so scripted that they are already decided games before the game plays.

I NEVER want college ball to get to that point. Again there is a reason why NFL and college is so different. I never want that water to be blurred.

[bulldawg28]

Dont hold your breath. Will has turned down some major money to stay here

Bye Will

[KB21]

Some of the beauty of college ball is the shooting from the hips. NFL gets flack for being so scripted that they are already decided games before the game plays.

I NEVER want college ball to get to that point. Again there is a reason why NFL and college is so different. I never want that water to be blurred.

[MrCoachKlein]

Because football is football. Sound decision making and scheming based on analytics works at all levels. Passing the football is better than running the football at all levels. Most of the analytics that you can get a hold of and study is from the NFL. Hopefully soon, we will see more analytics on the college game.

Here's a good link on some data about pass vs run from the college level though: https://staturdays.com/2019/09/23/sh...-run-the-ball/

Really makes you wonder why no one just throws 95% of the time. Its so easy anyone should be able to coach at a high level.

I do believe your understanding of analytics is only skin deep. For one your throwing stats and EPA are derived from teams running at least 45% and keeping the d off balance. You change the entire game (including your precious analytics) when they don't have to respect the run.

[MetEdDawg]

Who gives a turd about analytics, Lame Kitten? I feel like no one spoke of analytics until Lane got to Pissville U.

I think this is less about analytics and more about how he felt the game and made a freshman head coaching mistake.

This right here. Why can't people just make mistakes and learn from them? Why do others have to read into it some deep psychological aversion to analytics that will cripple Arnett over the rest of his career 2 games into his coaching tenure?

If you work over people, you are going to screw up. Period. I know people don't like to hear that, but every coach screws up sometimes. The question is whether or not they learn from it. And we have some folks on here dead set on Arnett and Barbay sucking after 2 games.

I just don't understand that type of mentality. It simply makes no sense.

[Todd4State]

Really makes you wonder why no one just throws 95% of the time. Its so easy anyone should be able to coach at a high level.

I do believe your understanding of analytics is only skin deep. For one your throwing stats and EPA are derived from teams running at least 45% and keeping the d off balance. You change the entire game (including your precious analytics) when they don't have to respect the run.

The run game has value in instances. Like when you are trying to run out the clock to win a game or inside the 6 yard line.

[Todd4State]

MSU football could use an analytics department. Analytics in football is "new" but with context it could help our game planning and play calling a lot.

Like Arnett tells the OC we want to run some clock. Instead of running it three straight times we might run the ball on first down and then go with a RPO on second down giving us a run option in a favorable box or an easy throw, or just a quick pass like a slant or a screen. Then third down use a constraint play to convert based on down and distance if we get that far.

[KB21]

The run game has value in instances. Like when you are trying to run out the clock to win a game or inside the 6 yard line.

It?s very few instances though.

[Maverick91]

https://x.com/TheAthleticNFL/status/...746969667?s=20

Twitter link didn't work for some reason.

Again… you and I will not see eye to eye on this. Also, just because they are more pass happy doesn’t mean “analytics” are the cause. That was the start of our conversation. I like the spread I also like the run. I just think if you get into analytics to much you can have analysis paralysis set in.

[Maverick91]

This right here. Why can't people just make mistakes and learn from them? Why do others have to read into it some deep psychological aversion to analytics that will cripple Arnett over the rest of his career 2 games into his coaching tenure?

If you work over people, you are going to screw up. Period. I know people don't like to hear that, but every coach screws up sometimes. The question is whether or not they learn from it. And we have some folks on here dead set on Arnett and Barbay sucking after 2 games.

I just don't understand that type of mentality. It simply makes no sense.

Facts! I love that the coaches are hearing us. I hope they take that as a good thing, as in dang this fan base is passionate not dang I gotta listen to the fan base and over analyze the situation. Arnett has already said everything I need him to say. Recognized the mistake and will from it. Sweet I look forward to seeing the change.

[Commercecomet24]

This right here. Why can't people just make mistakes and learn from them? Why do others have to read into it some deep psychological aversion to analytics that will cripple Arnett over the rest of his career 2 games into his coaching tenure?

If you work over people, you are going to screw up. Period. I know people don't like to hear that, but every coach screws up sometimes. The question is whether or not they learn from it. And we have some folks on here dead set on Arnett and Barbay sucking after 2 games.

I just don't understand that type of mentality. It simply makes no sense.

Great post! I've been very successful in my field but I've also blown a deal or two. It happens, no one is 100%. The thing you have to do is self evaluate and get better not let one defeat become two.

[Leroy Jenkins]

Some of the beauty of college ball is the shooting from the hips. NFL gets flack for being so scripted that they are already decided games before the game plays.

I NEVER want college ball to get to that point. Again there is a reason why NFL and college is so different. I never want that water to be blurred.

100%. The fun part of college football is putting together the best plan you possibly can that can be learned in the 20 hour a week mandate, and the imperfection that comes along with that. NFL players spend nearly 20 hours preparing in 2 days not 6.

You can't get to NFL precision in 20 hours.