This is what it comes down to for me

[lamont]

1. We have enough talent to compete in the SEC West and Dan Mullen cant get them to play or get the job done anymore.

2. We dont have enough talent to compete in the SEC West in Year 8 of Mullen's tenure. Who is to blame for that?


Why would a new coach need 4-5 years to rebuild if we have talent?
If we dont have the talent to compete in the West- why do we continue to stay with the guy that cant get the talent on campus anymore after 8 years leading the program?


These last 11 games will answer alot of questions

[Dawgfan77]

Folks need to understand this is not going to turn around. Look at our last three classes . Mullen has F@#ked us .... it's not going to get better. Time to SEAL this tenure

[Op4isabitch]

I agree that this will likely be Dans last year unless he has a miracle turn around over the last 11 or 12 games.

Stricklin and Co better be whittling down their list to some high profile finalists.

[ILOATHEBears]

I agree that this will likely be Dans last year unless he has a miracle turn around over the last 11 or 12 games.

Stricklin and Co better be whittling down their list to some high profile finalists.

So let's play with this. Who from this list are possible candidates:
Kyle Whittingham
Lane Kiffin
Mack Brown
Les Miles...figure he is done, needs a good OC however
Larry Fedora
Petrino

Throw others out I'm just throwing head coach experience

[lamont]

So let's play with this. Who from this list are possible candidates:
Kyle Whittingham
Lane Kiffin
Mack Brown
Les Miles...figure he is done, needs a good OC however
Larry Fedora
Petrino

Throw others out I'm just throwing head coach experience

No chance on Petrino...Les Miles and Mack Brown are too old.

[Liverpooldawg]

Whittingham..........Yawn....IF he would take it
Kiffen.......couldn't win at USC. Trust me, I'm a USC fan big time, you don't want the GOAT.
Brown............how old is that guy?
Miles..........He is a decent coach but my LSU friends would absolutly howl with laughter
Fedora..............maybe..but would he take it? He would be gone like a shot if a better job offered. Unlike Mullen he HAS proven he will do it.
Petrino.........ain't going to happen ever, for the same reason Briles won't ever happen

If we fire Mullen, which would be pure insanity unless he goes winless this year, we will make a very similar hire to what we did when we hired Mullen, hopefully. Y'all may or may not realize this but Mullen was the highest profile hire without baggage we had ever made in any sport in the modern era. I know we offer more money now but still...it's all relative. If we do it this year look for RR/Croom mark II. If we have to FIRE Mullen ever we will make a similar hire, hopefully. Y'all are going to blast me but it is what it is. We like to pride ourselves on realism, that's a dose of realism for you. I know..Howland. The stars aligned for that one. That doesn't happen that often.

[Todd4State]

Whittingham..........Yawn....IF he would take it
Kiffen.......couldn't win at USC. Trust me, I'm a USC fan big time, you don't want the GOAT.
Brown............how old is that guy?
Miles..........He is a decent coach but my LSU friends would absolutly howl with laughter
Fedora..............maybe..but would he take it? He would be gone like a shot if a better job offered. Unlike Mullen he HAS proven he will do it.
Petrino.........ain't going to happen ever, for the same reason Briles won't ever happen

If we fire Mullen, which would be pure insanity unless he goes winless this year, we will make a very similar hire to what we did when we hired Mullen, hopefully. Y'all may or may not realize this but Mullen was the highest profile hire without baggage we had ever made in any sport in the modern era. I know we offer more money now but still...it's all relative. If we do it this year look for RR/Croom mark II. If we have to FIRE Mullen ever we will make a similar hire, hopefully. Y'all are going to blast me but it is what it is. We like to pride ourselves on realism, that's a dose of realism for you. I know..Howland. The stars aligned for that one. That doesn't happen that often.

What do you mean Ben Howland doesn't happen often? Florida lost Spurrier then hired Zook who sucked- and then ended up with Urban Meyer. Then they ended up with BOOM who sucked and now they have McIlwain who is a good coach.

Going back to Paul Davis EVERY single coach we have hired has had at least one winning season on the field. And that was the 60's. Yep- even Charley Shira.

If you are saying the best we can do is a coach that doesn't really want to be here, can't recruit, manages his roster poorly and can't utilize his personnel because he won the Gator Bowl in 2010 and then ride our best QB in school history to 19 wins you are sorely mistaken.

[lamont]

What do you mean Ben Howland doesn't happen often? Florida lost Spurrier then hired Zook who sucked- and then ended up with Urban Meyer. Then they ended up with BOOM who sucked and now they have McIlwain who is a good coach.

Going back to Paul Davis EVERY single coach we have hired has had at least one winning season on the field. And that was the 60's. Yep- even Charley Shira.

If you are saying the best we can do is a coach that doesn't really want to be here, can't recruit, manages his roster poorly and can't utilize his personnel because he won the Gator Bowl in 2010 and then ride our best QB in school history to 19 wins you are sorely mistaken.

We turned down Jimbo Fisher for Croom. Jimbo Fisher. We have had great candidates for our football job anytime its been open the last 30 years. We Croomed ourselves- that didnt have to happen. Just like we could have hired better coaches than RR- but Strick was going to show everyone he knew better than everyone else. Those two hires are poor examples as to why we shouldnt change

[Liverpooldawg]

What do you mean Ben Howland doesn't happen often? Florida lost Spurrier then hired Zook who sucked- and then ended up with Urban Meyer. Then they ended up with BOOM who sucked and now they have McIlwain who is a good coach.

Going back to Paul Davis EVERY single coach we have hired has had at least one winning season on the field. And that was the 60's. Yep- even Charley Shira.

If you are saying the best we can do is a coach that doesn't really want to be here, can't recruit, manages his roster poorly and can't utilize his personnel because he won the Gator Bowl in 2010 and then ride our best QB in school history to 19 wins you are sorely mistaken.

If you think that we have equal stature to Florida as a program then........well.

Rode the best QB in school history? YES..... THANK YOU. Do you think Dak would have been here without Mullen?

Are you REALLY comparing Schira to Mullen? Good lord you have gone off the deep end. Mullen has done what he has done here in what WILL go down in history as the Golden Age of SEC football, ESP SEC West football.

[InTheIttaBenaHotSun]

So let's play with this. Who from this list are possible candidates:
Kyle Whittingham
Lane Kiffin
Mack Brown
Les Miles...figure he is done, needs a good OC however
Larry Fedora
Petrino

Throw others out I'm just throwing head coach experience

Don't know who it'll be or when it'll be (next year?, two years from now?...maybe four years from now?). If we have a new coach next year I don't think it'll be any of the above guys.

[Spiderman]

So let's play with this. Who from this list are possible candidates:
Kyle Whittingham
Lane Kiffin
Mack Brown
Les Miles...figure he is done, needs a good OC however
Larry Fedora
Petrino

Throw others out I'm just throwing head coach experience

None

[preachermatt83]

No Kiffin. Please!!

[BayouDawg]

Yea it's not a good situation. We don't even have a full 85 on scholarship. Some people are wanting us to go out of state more for recruits while we can't even lock down the Golden Triangle. The writing was on the wall last year but many of us, including myself, tried to ignore it. It's time we call a spade a spade. We are going in the wrong direction and fast.

[Dawgfan77]

You don't lose to south Alabama in year 8 and recover.

[lamont]

You don't lose to south Alabama in year 8 and recover.

We have to let this season play out for a reason:

In 2013- we saw a young team get better throughout the season. Young, dynamic QB. Young TB in JRob that promised hope. Young WR's in Wilson and Ross. Young DL players in Jones, AJ, and others. Young LB'ers galore. Young talented CB's.

I'm not seeing that for 2016. That promise of a team being better in 2017 isn't there. They have 11 games left to show us it's there. I don't think it is there- but we 11 games to see if it is

[Liverpooldawg]

We have to let this season play out for a reason:

In 2013- we saw a young team get better throughout the season. Young, dynamic QB. Young TB in JRob that promised hope. Young WR's in Wilson and Ross. Young DL players in Jones, AJ, and others. Young LB'ers galore. Young talented CB's.

I'm not seeing that for 2016. That promise of a team being better in 2017 isn't there. They have 11 games left to show us it's there. I don't think it is there- but we 11 games to see if it is

Then let it play out......and try to help instead keeping up and allowing the constant drumbeat.

[Spiderman]

You don't lose to south Alabama in year 8 and recover.

Historically, you are correct. (S. Alabama being the generic term for any team that wins that type game)

This is what worries me.

[Really Clark?]

Historically, you are correct. (S. Alabama being the generic term for any team that wins that type game)

This is what worries me.

Recover for the season or are you talking recover and bounce back after that year? VT lost to James Madison in 2010 and still won the ACC.

[Spiderman]

Recover for the season or are you talking recover and bounce back after that year? VT lost to James Madison in 2010 and still won the ACC.

program as a whole

[Really Clark?]

program as a whole

Beamer of course did it. Price is tough because it happened to him like year 10 or so during a horrible stretch but he goes 10 wins in back to back years and gets the Bama job. His replacement, who was promoted from within, won 10 his first year. So I really think Price actually not only sustained it but that was the greatest run they had. And historical they are abysmal.